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Okay, I'm fairly certain he didn't say that, but still...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/security_britain_internet_dc;_ylt=AszIY5m_8gyrEPggaWSqKdgjtBAF

"Web site" baffles Internet terrorism trial judge

LONDON (Reuters) - A British judge admitted on Wednesday he was struggling to cope with basic terms like "Web site" in the trial of three men accused of inciting terrorism via the Internet.

Judge Peter Openshaw broke into the questioning of a witness about a Web forum used by alleged Islamist radicals.

"The trouble is I don't understand the language. I don't really understand what a Web site is," he told a London court during the trial of three men charged under anti-terrorism laws.

Prosecutor Mark Ellison briefly set aside his questioning to explain the terms "Web site" and "forum." An exchange followed in which the 59-year-old judge acknowledged: "I haven't quite grasped the concepts."

Violent Islamist material posted on the Internet, including beheadings of Western hostages, is central to the case.

Concluding Wednesday's session and looking ahead to testimony on Thursday by a computer expert, the judge told Ellison: "Will you ask him to keep it simple, we've got to start from basics."

Younes Tsouli, 23, Waseem Mughal, 24, and Tariq al-Daour, 21, deny a range of charges under Britain's Terrorism Act, including inciting another person to commit an act of terrorism "wholly or partly" outside Britain.

Tsouli and Mughal also deny conspiracy to murder. Al-Daour has pleaded not guilty to conspiring with others to defraud banks, credit card and charge card companies.

Prosecutors have told the jury at Woolwich Crown Court, east London, that the defendants kept car-bomb-making manuals and videos of how to wire suicide vests as part of a campaign to promote global jihad, or holy war.

The trial continues.

"It's not a dump truck-it's a series of tubes."

Hint: It's time for the judge to retire.

Lovely isn't it. In America, they pass laws on the internet when the lawmakers don't even know how it works. In Britain, they pass laws which even the judges aren't too sure how it works.

I'm waiting for the day they outlaw cheese and clowns on a technicality.

I'm waiting for the day when NS lets you change your votes. I accidentally voted pro-hodgman instead of anti-hodgman. :(

...no, I don't know who hodgman is. And no, I don't care enough to check wikipedia.

"Internets? INTERNETS?! In my day we WALKED! FIFTEEN MILES to give someone a message! What's this horseshirt about INTERNETS?!"

"Internets? INTERNETS?! In my day we WALKED! FIFTEEN MILES to give someone a message! What's this horseshirt about INTERNETS?!"
In MY day we didn't have any of these sissy "Icons" and Windows! We had 1 and 0s! Sometimes not even the 1s.

In MY day we didn't have any of these sissy "Icons" and Windows! We had 1 and 0s! Sometimes not even the 1s.
you had 0's?
luxury. In my day, we had to design whole databases with the letter O

In MY day we didn't have any of these sissy "Icons" and Windows! We had 1 and 0s! Sometimes not even the 1s.

In my day, we got up at 3AM everyday, and made our own 0s and 1s, and we were happy to do it!

In my day, we got up at 3AM everyday, and made our own 0s and 1s, and we were happy to do it!

When I was young, we could only fit the 0's through the tubes, because the 1's had edges and would get caught.

In my day, we got up at 3AM everyday, and made our own 0s and 1s, in the snow barefoot, and we were happy to do it!

fixed

Databases? What?

*Goes outside to tend the fields. reads about an adding machine invented by some weirdo named Charles Babbage.

Wow thats weird how can he not know that

The serious business of tubes that is the interwebz is getting clogged. With shitty Youtube videos.

I despair at the UK's justice system and those in charge of it.

Honestly, Ted Stevens looks like Tim Berners-Lee compared to this clown. Time for him to read the Idiot's Guide to the Internet or retire.

I don't care for Hodgman at all. Someone recommended his book to me, and I downloaded the audio of it. Not very good.

ok, this thread is nonsense. Did anyone actually read the article?

He's not an 'internet judge' at all. The trial is under the Terrorism Act, which the judge should be more than qualified to sit and hear.

Never forget; there is no such thing as an easy or difficult answer, only what you know and don't know. In other words, just because you know something, doesn't mean that it's obvious to everyone.

This judge didn't know, and so he asked about it. Would you rather he'd shut up and bluffed his way through?

Yeah, but a judge should have some basic competence in regard to the cases he's presiding over. If you're serving in a position in which you're required to make legal decisions that will affect a person's life for a long time, you should know what is going on when making that decision.

Yeah, but a judge should have some basic competence in regard to the cases he's presiding over. If you're serving in a position in which you're required to make legal decisions that will affect a person's life for a long time, you should know what is going on when making that decision.

Hence the reason he asked.

Hence the reason he asked.

It's still kinda funny.

If a judge in a patent dispute between Panasonic and Magnavox asked what a "remote control" was, it would be funny, even if the question were crucial. Same sort of thing.

Never forget; there is no such thing as an easy or difficult answer, only what you know and don't know. In other words, just because you know something, doesn't mean that it's obvious to everyone.

I'd agree if it wasn't something as present-day important and all-pervasive as the Internet. For some reason the web-savvyness seems to stop abruptly in people over 50 - unless they've become geeks (like me - this is not an insult) before turning 50. A person passing judgements in today's world should have at least rudimentary understanding of today's world in my opinion.

If a judge in a patent dispute between Panasonic and Magnavox asked what a "remote control" was, it would be funny, even if the question were crucial.

Agreed, plus your metaphora was a lot funnier than anything I could think up. :D

Wow thats weird how can he not know that

Don't spend much time with older people, do you?

I'd agree if it wasn't something as present-day important and all-pervasive as the Internet. For some reason the web-savvyness seems to stop abruptly in people over 50 - unless they've become geeks (like me - this is not an insult) before turning 50. A person passing judgements in today's world should have at least rudimentary understanding of today's world in my opinion.

I agree with the latter, but I did experience that elderly persons can learn to use computers. My gandmother is 82 years old and she uses computers for writing and email. I think she knows what the world wide web is but she only used it for airline reservations and amazon so far...

Better then my mother and father - they can't use Amazon without my help.

I agree with the latter, but I did experience that elderly persons can learn to use computers. My gandmother is 82 years old and she uses computers for writing and email. I think she knows what the world wide web is but she only used it for airline reservations and amazon so far...

That proves it then: Your grandmother is a geek.

Now if only you could make her a trekkie...

Don't they have juries in the UK? So does it really matter whether the judge knows what a website is, as long as the jury knows?

That proves it then: Your grandmother is a geek.

Now if only you could make her a trekkie...

You'd hit her, wouldn't you?

Back in my day we didn't even had a space bar! We had to type it right the first time or use white out!

You'd hit her, wouldn't you?

Nah, I'd just set my phaser to stun :p .

*hides his grandma from you people* I didn't introduce my grandma to the internet just for her to be robbed of her innocence by you perverts! Besides, shes more of a jock, but with geeky tendencies.

*hides his grandma from you people* I didn't introduce my grandma to the internet just for her to be robbed of her innocence by you perverts! Besides, shes more of a jock, but with geeky tendencies.

Wait, what? Whilst I do like older women the furthest I am willing to go is nine years my senior. Your grandmother is quite safe from my 'charms'.

Lovely isn't it. In America, they pass laws on the internet when the lawmakers don't even know how it works. In Britain, they pass laws which even the judges aren't too sure how it works.

I'm waiting for the day they outlaw cheese and clowns on a technicality.

Anyone outlawing clowns would get my vote

Your grandmother is a geek.


Now that's not a sentence you hear very often...

In my day, we got up at 3AM everyday, and made our own 0s and 1s, and we were happy to do it!

eh...when I were a lad me da would make me march 25 miles across the dales in the driving rain and gale force winds to get to the binary mine! We'd work 27 hours a day with one break for a cuppa char that would put hair on a rock! When we mined all the 0's and 1's we'd have to drive them back to our shack (made out of backup tapes ayup!) over the dales in time for da & ma to have prepped the abacus! If we mined over our quota da would also whip us to within an inch of our lives! And by gum we were proud of that beating! PROUD!

You young 'uns have no idea how good you have it!

Wait, what? Whilst I do like older women the furthest I am willing to go is nine years my senior. Your grandmother is quite safe from my 'charms'.I'm not sure if you're being serious or not... anyway, I wasn't. If anything, you'd probably need protecting from my grandma's 'charms'. *cackles*

eh...when I were a lad me da would make me march 25 miles across the dales in the driving rain and gale force winds to get to the binary mine! We'd work 27 hours a day with one break for a cuppa char that would put hair on a rock! When we mined all the 0's and 1's we'd have to drive them back to our shack (made out of backup tapes ayup!) over the dales in time for da & ma to have prepped the abacus! If we mined over our quota da would also whip us to within an inch of our lives! And by gum we were proud of that beating! PROUD!

You young 'uns have no idea how good you have it!Whut? Speak up son, I'm not deaf ye know! So whu's this'ere... 'bin-ery' youse speaks oof. Sounds lawk a place where theys sends all the reject nuns. And everyone's raving about their latest dyed-ya-towel gadet. Sounds like some pinko-hippie-commie-nazi clap trap if ye asks me. All youse really needs to dye a towel is a good ole bucket and some... well... dye. Mind you, I dun know what good a dyed towel would do youse. The dye would just run all over youse whenever yer tried to dry yerself oof.

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not... anyway, I wasn't. If anything, you'd probably need protecting from my grandma's 'charms'. *cackles*

I think we need pictures to determine that!

(I was being serious in my previous post, my bad).

0101100101101111011101010010000001101000011000010111
0110011001010010000001101001011101000010000001110010
0110010101100001011011000110110001111001001000000110
1100011101010110001101101011011110010010110000100000
0111010001110010011110010010000001101000011000010111
0110011010010110111001100111001000000111010001101111
0010000001100011011011110110111001110110011001010111
0010011101000010000001100010011010010110111001100001
0111001001111001001000000110100101101110011101000110
1111001000000100010101101110011001110110110001101001
011100110110100000101110
Broken into many lines to increase read ability...or better yet here's it in English...
You have it really lucky, try having to convert binary into English.
That judge was kinda funny not knowing what a website is, but it is up to him to stop terrorism on the Ethernet. What, you say its the Internet stop with your hip young lingo and get back to the terrorism I feel like convicting someone, after all I just got learned.

Okay, I'm fairly certain he didn't say that, but still...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/security_britain_internet_dc;_ylt=AszIY5m_8gyrEPggaWSqKdgjtBAF



"It's not a dump truck-it's a series of tubes."

Lolz. You're kidding, right?

Lolz. You're kidding, right?

Lolz. I ttly hope so.

Don't they have juries in the UK? So does it really matter whether the judge knows what a website is, as long as the jury knows?

I agree.
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:headbang: "What's this damn computer thing?" I feel bad for those teachers who think they can tell there students about basics like 'googling' history but really have an extremely limited knowledge of computers. My teacher sometimes makes statements where it seems as if she thinks that you can get news on your iPod. Sad but hey I mean if in 1950 you explained all this stuff about the internet and the computers they'd be baffled.

0101100101101111011101010010000001101000011000010111
0110011001010010000001101001011101000010000001110010
0110010101100001011011000110110001111001001000000110
1100011101010110001101101011011110010010110000100000
0111010001110010011110010010000001101000011000010111
0110011010010110111001100111001000000111010001101111
0010000001100011011011110110111001110110011001010111
0010011101000010000001100010011010010110111001100001
0111001001111001001000000110100101101110011101000110
1111001000000100010101101110011001110110110001101001
011100110110100000101110
Broken into many lines to increase read ability...or better yet here's it in English...
You have it really lucky, try having to convert binary into English.
That judge was kinda funny not knowing what a website is, but it is up to him to stop terrorism on the Ethernet. What, you say its the Internet stop with your hip young lingo and get back to the terrorism I feel like convicting someone, after all I just got learned.

Binary works only in numbers not words. 1s and 0s represent 1 or 0 2s, 1 or 0 4s, 1 or 0 6s, ect., ect.

Binary works only in numbers not words. 1s and 0s represent 1 or 0 2s, 1 or 0 4s, 1 or 0 6s, ect., ect.

Their are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who do not.

He was using the ASCII representation of the characters, I'd assume.

Whut? Speak up son, I'm not deaf ye know! So whu's this'ere... 'bin-ery' youse speaks oof. Sounds lawk a place where theys sends all the reject nuns. And everyone's raving about their latest dyed-ya-towel gadet. Sounds like some pinko-hippie-commie-nazi clap trap if ye asks me. All youse really needs to dye a towel is a good ole bucket and some... well... dye. Mind you, I dun know what good a dyed towel would do youse. The dye would just run all over youse whenever yer tried to dry yerself oof.

Youse? Oh christ...yer a scouser! RUN!!!!

Anyone outlawing clowns would get my vote

We could put LG behind bars for decades.

My gandmother is 82 years old and she uses computers for writing and email. I think she knows what the world wide web is but she only used it for airline reservations and amazon so far...

My grandfather is "only" 80 years old, but yeah, he's cool with computers as well - as long as the zoom on the monitor is set to 'large' and he's wearing his glasses. :D My observation was a generalization - often true, but not ALWAYS true.