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Ryan Lambourn, 21, from western Sydney, posted a game titled "V-Tech Rampage" on a gaming website three days ago.

In a taunt to contributors who have written messages of condemnation, Mr Lambourn offered to remove the game from the internet if he received US$2,000 in donations to an internet PayPal account and to apologise if he received US$3,000.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21743188-5001021,00.html

Seems a bit tasteless to me. And asking for money to take to down - if it's really a joke then the guy fails at humor.

Still, free speech and all... Is it worth making a big deal about this rather low-tech game?

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21743188-5001021,00.html

Seems a bit tasteless to me. And asking for money to take to down - if it's really a joke then the guy fails at humor.

Still, free speech and all... Is it worth making a big deal about this rather low-tech game?

No, it's just a bad joke. No one is harmed in the making of a flash game.

Well, someone's got too much free time and way too little taste.

I can only laugh.

According to the article, the game's on Newgrounds. May have to check it out.

he's a cock. plain and simple.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21743188-5001021,00.html

Seems a bit tasteless to me. And asking for money to take to down - if it's really a joke then the guy fails at humor.

Still, free speech and all... Is it worth making a big deal about this rather low-tech game?

it's just a game, you don't have to play it if you're offended by it.

NSWer :rolleyes:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21743188-5001021,00.html

Seems a bit tasteless to me. And asking for money to take to down - if it's really a joke then the guy fails at humor.

Still, free speech and all... Is it worth making a big deal about this rather low-tech game?

He fails at originality. Although he was certainly quicker than the folks who made this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Columbine_Massacre_RPG!).

What a jackass.

I'm still waiting for 9/11 The Video Game and/or Amusement Park

Meh, it's not very good.

I heard there was a Columbine RPG that actually dealt with that incident fairly well (ie. was more than just shooting everyone) but I've not played it so can't comment. But people got upset about that one too, years after the event.

The hwole thing is just assinine... he needs dragged intot he street and kicked by passers by (bot no so hard as to kill him)

He fails at originality. Although he was certainly quicker than the folks who made this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Columbine_Massacre_RPG!).

Wow, wish I'd known about that little gem before. I've been right there behind the maker.

Wow, wish I'd known about that little gem before. I've been right there behind the maker.

Heh..


Kovacs stated, "One of the girls who died was a friend of mine. Rachel. We were in the same church group. Anyone playing this game can kill Rachel over and over again."

If I was involved in the game I'd use that quote on the box cover and advertisements.

Everyone raging at this is a moron. Ignore it if you're offended, it's not like it's shooting more people, is it?

EDIT: Besides, it's fairly fun.

Thats not Cool...

**shakes head**

If anything, I find myself agreeing more with this than anything else:

If one is interested in making something for the public to view--be it a painting, a book, an album, a film, or a video game, should the POSSIBLE harm that may come out of this work be grounds for its suppression from society? This is, in a sense, pre-crime. If you believe in what you're doing and you want to express yourself, the expression should be primary and any interpretations that come after must always remain of secondary importance to the creation of the work itself. On another level, the entire correlation between the Dawson College shooting and my game is unfounded. [...] What else did Kimveer like? Black clothes? Goth music? Pizza? [...] If anything, the Dawson College shooting is proof positive that games like SCMRPG SHOULD be made; until video games are no longer among the "usual suspects" for homicidal rampages, the public needs to more carefully consider why interactive electronic media is somehow the manufacturer of Manchurian Candidates. [20]


If it weren't for the fact that I don't want to sit thru another RPG of questionable gaming quality, I'd probably look into finding it.

he finds it funny and thinks the game is art

he finds it funny and thinks the game is art

I don't know much about art but I know what I like!

...

Actually, I know a little about art. This does not fall under my definition of it. Nor my definition of humor.

I know a little about tastelessness though, and this fits the bill. ;)

He's a greedy little bugger, ain't he...

he finds it funny and thinks the game is art

Depends on how he did it, if the game is just gratuitous violence with a VT shooter filter applied, then yes, the guy's a complete idiot.

However, if it was made with a focus on the consequences and a probative eye into how/why it happened, maybe...

he's a cock. plain and simple.

And by making the news he wins and all the complainers fail.

I don't know much about art but I know what I like!

...

Actually, I know a little about art. This does not fall under my definition of it. Nor my definition of humor.

I know a little about tastelessness though, and this fits the bill. ;)

He's a greedy little bugger, ain't he...

Depends on how he did it, if the game is just gratuitous violence with a VT shooter filter applied, then yes, the guy's a complete idiot.

However, if it was made with a focus on the consequences and a probative eye into how/why it happened, maybe...
he all so said he would not have made it if he was still in the states

Been there, done that. Massacre games are old hat.

Anyone here ever played Super Columbine Massacre RPG? It was better than this.

he all so said he would not have made it if he was still in the states

Proving he's a bit of a coward.

I'll reserve complete judgement until I get a chance (if ever) to play his little game. I do, however, agree that chances are he's just being an idiot.

Proving he's a bit of a coward.

I'll reserve complete judgement until I get a chance (if ever) to play his little game. I do, however, agree that chances are he's just being an idiot.

seen game play of it look like how Columbine RPG looks

seen game play of it look like how Columbine RPG looks

Then it's possible that it could be legit, I don't know. Until I see it for myself I can't say for sure. If it's like SCMRPG, then I'll support the maker. But if it falls short in any way, then I agree he's an ass and deserves a righteous beatin'

Then it's possible that it could be legit, I don't know. Until I see it for myself I can't say for sure. If it's like SCMRPG, then I'll support the maker. But if it falls short in any way, then I agree he's an ass and deserves a righteous beatin'

if you get to see it on tv you can see for yourself

Pretty lame and not that challenging.

He will not reach his goal.....

Then it's possible that it could be legit, I don't know. Until I see it for myself I can't say for sure. If it's like SCMRPG, then I'll support the maker. But if it falls short in any way, then I agree he's an ass and deserves a righteous beatin'

Nah, it's just a simple Flash shooter. Levels 1 and 3 you shoot people, level 2 you post a letter without getting "spotted" in a very simplistic stealth minigame.

meh. It was bound to happen sooner or later. People are cruel. I suprised there isn't a "fly into buildings better than the hijackers" game.

I'm going to agree that at this point it is a bit tasteless. But it's not really surprising. I think I would rather play a game that involves some other type of re-inactment. Maybe some kinda american revolution game, or civil war game. That might be fun. Maybe that theoritcal game fer a civil war game today. Sorry, I guess that's off the topic. Sounds like he's just trying to be assinine, and stirring up camotion. I'd say feel free to be offend if you want, but don't expect him to be hurt by the repurcussions of his actions. If your the type, pray fer divine fury, and his eternal damnation. I don't know, it doesn't really affect me either way, whatever happens.

I wonder if anyone will send him any money.

Everyone goes off their rocker and gives these people the press they want every time some one makes a game of a "terrible tragedy." Then war games are the most profitable games on the market.

Remember kids, killing people virtually is only ok if they are Nazis, Japanese Imperialists, or Russians (it really doesn't matter what kind).

I wonder if anyone will send him any money.

not yet but the looks of it he needs some

There should be a "Surviving Auschwitz" game where the player is a Jew, and he has to kill Nazis!

There should be a "Surviving Auschwitz" game where the player is a Jew, and he has to kill Nazis!

But that's a-ok. You could sell that to Atari or something and become a millionaire. Now make a game where you are a Nazi busting around the ghetto beating up Jews...

But that's a-ok. You could sell that to Atari or something and become a millionaire. Now make a game where you are a Nazi busting around the ghetto beating up Jews...

Damn PCness.. :(

There should be a "Surviving Auschwitz" game where the player is a Jew, and he has to kill Nazis!

I know, I'm a bad person, but that made me think; it wouldn't be realistic, and killing Nazis has been done. To death. Har.
But what about "Concentration Camp Tycoon"? That's not been done (despite Google throwing up 216 hits for the name). Your aim: to run the most efficient death camp! Like Dungeon Keeper, but evil instead of cute.

That would cause a ruckus.

lol, there's a reference to the "just kicked in" meme in the game... guess the guy who made it is a /b/tard... and that's all the explanation needed as to why he made it. :rolleyes:

I know, I'm a bad person, but that made me think; it wouldn't be realistic, and killing Nazis has been done. To death. Har.
But what about "Concentration Camp Tycoon"? That's not been done (despite Google throwing up 216 hits for the name). Your aim: to run the most efficient death camp! Like Dungeon Keeper, but evil instead of cute.

That would cause a ruckus.

Not as much as a FPS/Adventure (like Dark Messiah of M&M) where you go around Jewish neighborhoods arresting and sending away Jews to the camps and occasionally getting involved in putting down Jewish uprisings in the ghetto.

I know, I'm a bad person, but that made me think; it wouldn't be realistic, and killing Nazis has been done. To death. Har.
But what about "Concentration Camp Tycoon"? That's not been done (despite Google throwing up 216 hits for the name). Your aim: to run the most efficient death camp! Like Dungeon Keeper, but evil instead of cute.

That would cause a ruckus.

Holocaust Tycoon (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Tycoon)

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KZ_manager

Damn Atariness.. :(
Fixed ;)

Not as much as a FPS/Adventure (like Dark Messiah of M&M) where you go around Jewish neighborhoods arresting and sending away Jews to the camps and occasionally getting involved in putting down Jewish uprisings in the ghetto.

Now, now. You'd get to deal with gypsies, homosexuals, communists, Jehova's Witnesses and all other sorts of baddies. Not just Jews. You could give them all special attacks; maybe the commies could be armed with hammers and sickles, the gypsies could nick your stuff... And, well, I'm going to stop right there lest somebody take me seriously.

Holocaust Tycoon (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Tycoon)

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KZ_manager

*sigh* There are no original ideas anymore, are there?

And I love Uncyclopedia :)

Call me insensitive, but I really want to play this game.
Right now. :p

Idiot.

The game is one thing but making 'demands' that they pay up or he'll keep it going is pretty sick.

Idiot.

The game is one thing but making 'demands' that they pay up or he'll keep it going is pretty sick.

How so? You have to admit it's a rather creative way to market it......

It's a lame game and will be forgotten rather quickly.

I played this last night on fapchan. Rather lulzy, if a bit short.

Yup, just finished it. Mildly entertaining, but there's no redeeming value here.

Now I can safely say that this guy deserves a righteous beatin'

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21743188-5001021,00.html

Seems a bit tasteless to me. And asking for money to take to down - if it's really a joke then the guy fails at humor.

Still, free speech and all... Is it worth making a big deal about this rather low-tech game?

I seriously knew this would happen. Why don't we make a game were we torture the creater in rather embarrsing ways? :cool:

Oh wait, first let's do it. Make him experiance Hell-on-Earth, for 8 hourse, THEN make the game of it. :cool: Then let's see if he wants to defend our right to make the game. :p

Yup, just finished it. Mildly entertaining, but there's no redeeming value here.

Now I can safely say that this guy deserves a righteous beatin'

Then so does the maker of the Battlefield series, Medal of Honor series, Wolfenstein series...

it's just a game, you don't have to play it if you're offended by it.

Yeah, I'm still waiting for the game where you take the role of Hitler, come to power, and burn as many Jews as possible. It would have animations showing women and children burning in furnaces. :rolleyes:

This is in incredibly poor taste, and completely disrespectful. Yes, he has a right to express what he wants, but it still makes him an asshole.

Then so does the maker of the Battlefield series, Medal of Honor series, Wolfenstein series...

I believe there is a difference.... First-off your targets in this game are real people, and that were killed unarmed in a real incident. If it was either A: not based on a real incident, or B: it had to do with ARMED fights, like the O.K. Corral I'd concede. It doesn't meet either of those criterea, so no.

This is in incredibly poor taste, and completely disrespectful. Yes, he has a right to express what he wants, but it still makes him an asshole.

Just about how I feel about it.

Then so does the maker of the Battlefield series, Medal of Honor series, Wolfenstein series...

The two do not compare. One is a game where you fight armed soldiers (or rebels), the other is one where you hunt unarmed civilians.

There would be some redeeming value if there was a serious look into the mind of the shooter or the real consequences or something. This is just making a cheap laugh at the expense of a tragedy.

Just because you have a right to do it doesn't mean it's right to do it. This is the pathetic warble of the kind of fucker that never outgrew pulling the wings off flies. "Huh huh...I did something offensive and people got offended. I so clever. Now I'm off to applaud in amazement as I turn a door knob and the door opens."

And yeah, I'm criticizing him. Funny thing about this freedom of speech, if you use it to be a total ass, others will use it to point out what a fucking pathetic ass you are.

I know that getting called that makes people like him and his supporters pound palms with simple minded joy, but it seems that isn't a hard thing to make happen, so whatever.

There should be a "Surviving Auschwitz" game where the player is a Jew, and he has to kill Nazis!

Mmm, I can just imagine the movie version.. "Surviving Auschwitz - directed by Uwe Boll"

I hate when they don't post a link to the terrorist site, game, etc...

I hate when they don't post a link to the terrorist site, game, etc...

You mean the game itself? Just go to newgrounds.com and search "VT Tech" I pulled it up just under 2 hours ago, so it should still be there.

Then so does the maker of the Battlefield series, Medal of Honor series, Wolfenstein series...

Another thing, what if I made a game called "Weed-Puller" where you go around killing African-Americans for fun? Now what if it were based on a real event? What if it were unarmed African-Americans? I think would say "screw freedom of speech, take that off the market!" I could understand why you'd hate the game. I know you wouldn't defend it. So WHY are you defending this?

Mmm, I can just imagine the movie version.. "Surviving Auschwitz - directed by Uwe Boll"

*Nods rapidly and smiles.*

Mmm, I can just imagine the movie version.. "Surviving Auschwitz - directed by Uwe Boll"

Riffing on movies that get pinball games when I was working at a record store we ended up with the all kinds of wrong Schindler's List pinball game...I'm sure you can recreate the details on your own...

Hahaha...he offered to take it down for money! Sociopath genius.

Riffing on movies that get pinball games when I was working at a record store we ended up with the all kinds of wrong Schindler's List pinball game...I'm sure you can recreate the details on your own...

Schindler's List pinball...my god. :(

I lump this guy into the same category I put Fred Phelps.

And what category might that be? :p

I lump this guy into the same category I put Fred Phelps.

Schindler's List pinball...my god. :(

Not a shining moment, to be sure...

I live in VA and attend a school where almost half the kids go to Tech after graduation. When we heard of the VT tragedy, almost everyone was crying, and we definitely have kids still affected.

This jerk is the one who should be shot.
:sniper:

And what category might that be? :p

The category of people who have no sensitivity about how their actions will affect others; just an overwhelming (and saddening) focus on a given cause, all of which get placed under the title "Assholery". With Fred Phelps, his cause is a bastardized version of Christianity; indeed, SO bastardized, you can't even CALL it Christianity. With this guy, his cause was "artistic license" (and I use that term VERY loosely) or else the simple making of money.

Either way, you'd think something as somber as a family mourning over their dead child would be left alone by those who practice Assholery for the sake of sympathy or even respect; but of course, if they left it alone they wouldn't be Assholerists.

And what category might that be? :p

Necrophiliacs.

Tasteless and asinine, but thoroughly legal.

I'm still waiting for 9/11 The Video Game

Microsoft Flight Sim?

Let's place bets on how long it'll take for someone to vandalize his property.

On a different side note, does this kid hold a sense of nationality at all? If he considered himself an American, chances are he wouldn't poke fun at a tragedy inside America, if he considers himself Australian, I think that someone from VA has the right to make a fun little game detailing an Australian massacre. If he doesn't consider himself an Aussie, find out what nationality he is, and rub it in his face using lots and lots of demeaning comments.

Would still be better than Daikatana...

The hwole thing is just assinine... he needs dragged intot he street and kicked by passers by (bot no so hard as to kill him)


I agree. If that asshole as a right to make it, I have just as much a right to call him a sick bastard and want to bitch slap his stupid ass. You don't make fun of the misery and deaths of innocent people.

It's human nature.

Someone somewhere will always whore for attention with sacrilege. Making jokes and games out of tragedies is the most common example.

I hate when they don't post a link to the terrorist site, game, etc...

Check Newgrounds. Still there ten minutes ago. I played it...it's only good for a go-around or two. The game itself is inherently unwinnable- you lose if you kill everyone and you lose if you don't. The creator, Ryan Lambourn, seems to be implying that in a tragedy like this there are no winners, and any attempt to gain anything out of this ultimately ends up as a loss.

That said, Lambourn's point is a cliche and he seems to be doing this simply for attention. It's not like the "Super Columbine Massacre Role-Playing Game" where there actually *was* a game behind it (and seemed to make a wider point about violence and video games)- this game has just one level without much point to it. Yes, he may be telling Seung-Hui Cho that no matter what he does he couldn't win, but it's not like we didn't know that already, and you won't have to spend hours- or even minutes- to figure that out in the game itself. As much as I personally don't like the idea of profitting off of the Columbine massacre, I will give Danny Ledone- the creator of SCMPG- some credit because he actually tried to make a point (and a game) out of his work (however insensitive his work may be). Lambourn, however, deserves nothing but criticism- his game is awful and was clearly designed for attention-seeking purposes, plus the fact he's demanding to get paid before he even apologizes shows the kind of character he has. I'm happy I got to play the game for free- because I'd never pay for crap like this.

Here's hoping that the requirement changes from donations to the website to donations to pay for his broken arms.

Here's hoping that the requirement changes from donations to the website to donations to pay for his broken arms.

What if he has insurance?

Riffing on movies that get pinball games when I was working at a record store we ended up with the all kinds of wrong Schindler's List pinball game...I'm sure you can recreate the details on your own...

I bet that was a popular game..

What if he has insurance?

If the christians are somehow right about there being a god, the insurance company would refuse to pay.

If the christians are somehow right about there being a god, the insurance company would refuse to pay.

But then he'd sue them!

^ Still there ten minutes ago. I played it...it's only good for a go-around or two. The game itself is inherently unwinnable- you lose if you kill everyone and you lose if you don't. The creator, Ryan Lambourn, seems to be implying that in a tragedy like this there are no winners, and any attempt to gain anything out of this ultimately ends up as a loss.

Firstly, you probably want to remove the Newgrounds link. It's considered Bad by the Powers That Be.

And you can actually "win" the game; the first level is actually the hardest. You have to shoot the girl, and anyone else who sees you shoot her, but not everybody. The next two are straightforward. If you "win" the last level (shoot everyone before the timer runs down) you kill yourself rather than let the police catch you.

It's not terribly sophisticated, meaningful, or entertaining.

Pretty crappy game. Cheap attempt at shock value.

But then he'd sue them!

And lose!

The only thing that's pathetic here is everybody's reaction to it. If you don't like it, don't play it, but either way, shut the fuck up. I'm sick of hearing about whiny bitches trying to ban stuff or threaten people just because someone somewhere said something they don't like.

Pretty tasteless.

The only thing that's pathetic here is everybody's reaction to it. If you don't like it, don't play it, but either way, shut the fuck up. I'm sick of hearing about whiny bitches trying to ban stuff or threaten people just because someone somewhere said something they don't like.

If you don't like it then leave. This is a discussion forum, we're not going to shut up about this or anything until we've talked it to death.

The only thing that's pathetic here is everybody's reaction to it. If you don't like it, don't play it, but either way, shut the fuck up. I'm sick of hearing about whiny bitches trying to ban stuff or threaten people just because someone somewhere said something they don't like.

"If you don't like it, leave"

Works both ways, friend.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21743188-5001021,00.html

Seems a bit tasteless to me. And asking for money to take to down - if it's really a joke then the guy fails at humor.

Still, free speech and all... Is it worth making a big deal about this rather low-tech game?
Next we have "Sim Concentration Camp!" (need more ash storage! Need more ash storage!):rolleyes:

Next we have "Sim Concentration Camp!" (need more ash storage! Need more ash storage!):rolleyes:

See page 3 (of the standard 15-messages-per-page view) ;p

Firstly, you probably want to remove the Newgrounds link. It's considered Bad by the Powers That Be.

And you can actually "win" the game; the first level is actually the hardest. You have to shoot the girl, and anyone else who sees you shoot her, but not everybody. The next two are straightforward. If you "win" the last level (shoot everyone before the timer runs down) you kill yourself rather than let the police catch you.

It's not terribly sophisticated, meaningful, or entertaining.

Thanks for the heads up...the link's been removed. I've never been to Newgrounds before...thought it was simply a games site.

I'll have to try it again then, but you're right, that doesn't seem very well thought out. No attempt at deeper meaning or a statement...just simple shock humour, and very tasteless at that.

EDIT- Tried it again. After you pointed out that in the first level there had to be survivors, it was easy to figure out who- whomever wasn't running around. Defies logic really...you'd think leaving people alive (who are potential witnesses) would cause you to lose, but then again, Lambourn wasn't thinking when he made the game anyway.

I found the second level the hardest actually, because you've got to weave yourself through a maze of patrollers, featuring the second logic-defying act in the game: you'd think that the patrollers would be able to see a person running around because, after all, they can see a lot more than what's directly in front of them. I'm also not impressed that he decided to egg Conan O'Brien on to make a joke about the situation- I don't think anyone but Lambourn could really laugh at the massacre (if O'Brien *did* actually make a joke about Va-Tech let me know, though). The third level is just a shooting frenzy, and far too easy- you can have the level finished with ten seconds to spare. Again not challenging, although I'll admit, I got wrapped up in it. It felt all wrong, however- I'd get the same thrills playing Star Fox without having to feel sick doing it. I'll spare Lambourn comments on all the obvious grammatical and spelling errors, because the game is littered with them, but that alone shows you how much energy he actually put into the game. Not worth my time.

The only thing that's pathetic here is everybody's reaction to it. If you don't like it, don't play it, but either way, shut the fuck up. I'm sick of hearing about whiny bitches trying to ban stuff or threaten people just because someone somewhere said something they don't like.

If this were the case with a game that tried to be more than silly shock humour- such as the Columbine RPG attempting to make a greater statement about how society reacted to it- I'd agree with you because I'm also of the maxim that people should have the right to express views and opinions many others may not like, because without the freedom to challenge ideas and norms, society can stagnate. However, Ryan Lambourn isn't creating a game that has any artistic or expressive merit because he's not saying something with it, and besides, the beauty of freedom of expression is that I can freely express that he's an idiot. Freedom of expression doesn't mean immunity from criticism, so while Lambourn has every right to make that game, we've got every right to label him the tasteless jerk that he is.

It's human nature.

Someone somewhere will always whore for attention with sacrilege. Making jokes and games out of tragedies is the most common example.

I thought the most common one was the US military naming their weapons after victims of genocide ( comanche, apache, tomahawk, etc ). Just imagine if nazi or iranian ones were called "jew" or "gipsy"?

Racist fanaticism, but praised :headbang:

I thought the most common one was the US military naming their weapons after victims of genocide ( comanche, apache, tomahawk, etc ). Just imagine if nazi or iranian ones were called "jew" or "gipsy"?

Racist fanaticism, but praised :headbang:

Firstly, our overwhelming victory in the Indian Wars fully justifies our appropriation of their tribal names, which is done nonetheless with all respect due, and in a spirit of brotherhood. It's military history and distinctive. Second, Indians have been a part of the U.S. military for a good while - it isn't a "white" institution separate from the Indian Tribes, but rather an organization comprised also of Indians, who notably provided code languages in the Great War, Part II (A.K.A WWII). Third, Indians in this country were prone to armed resistance, which is quite different from the German Holocaust in that it involved organized military campaigns. Finally, and most importantly, Indian names sound badass. It's quite simple. :)