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Who specifically, who did you think won the debate?

Personally, I think Ron Paul, in the limited camera time they gave him, was clearly the victor.

Ron Paul is winning on the MSNBC poll:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18659382


Anyone else watch the debate?

Didn't get to see it. :(

I didn't see the debate, so I'm not sure who won.

I can certainly tell you who lost though...the three idiots who think evolution is fantasy.

(Brownback, Huckabee and Tancredo, I believe)

Ron Paul owned the debate.

Ron Paul. I cannot believe the other candidates cannot grasp the idea that our (the US) foriegn policy creates animosity abroad. I mean, come on! I do believe I will vote for Ron Paul if he makes it to the ballots, it'll be the first presedential election I can vote in! woohoo!

honestly, it's hard to think about who won the debate when it seems like the Democratic party is a shoe in for 08...

oh the horrors of elections again *gets MANLY tissues for humanity*

yes I do demand a pancake option!

Where are the didn't watch and don't care options?

Their Republicans, so they all lost equally.

Ron Paul. I cannot believe the other candidates cannot grasp the idea that our (the US) foriegn policy creates animosity abroad. I mean, come on! I do believe I will vote for Ron Paul if he makes it to the ballots, it'll be the first presedential election I can vote in! woohoo!

I hope he does. I will vote for him.

I voted Sam Brownback, because I don't want him to feel left out.

I never cease to be amazed at how well organized the Ron Paul partisans are over the internet. Ron Paul has his place, but it hasn't come yet. The time for Ron Paul will be when Rudy Guiliani wins the Republican nomination. Then Ron Paul can run as a Libertarian and be highly successful. For my part, I thought Mike Huckabee showed himself of a higher caliber than any of the three leaders. He is certainly presidential material.

Ron Paul is the man. He correctly blames us for 9/11. He seems like a Republican I'd vote for.

Their Republicans, so they all lost equally.

I have to agree. Everyone running on the regressive party ticket loses.

Ron Paul is the man. He correctly blames us for 9/11. He seems like a Republican I'd vote for.

That is not what he said, he said that we cannot be surprised when the federal government's bad foreign policy causes blow-back from other nations/groups. We don't understand middle eastern culture, yet we get involved with their regional politics, that is a recipe for disaster.

Well, I'm glad to see the only vote for Sam Brownback so far was mine.

Who specifically, who did you think won the debate?

Personally, I think Ron Paul, in the limited camera time they gave him, was clearly the victor.

I saw pieces of it while at the gym last night...I was quite disgusted at having to watch Fox News while on the exercise bike and spent most of the time cursing the various idiots who prattled on about what the audience wanted to hear. Ron Paul was the only one who came even close to sounding decent, and as such, I'd award him the victory, and send the rest home for being such pandering fools.

Oh, and toss Tancredo in jail for the hell of it. I keep voting against him but he just keeps going back into office "representing" me. :(

Highlight of debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk334TbliaY#P9R5JtzJpjw) between Ghouliani and Ron Paul.

Who specifically, who did you think won the debate?

Personally, I think Ron Paul, in the limited camera time they gave him, was clearly the victor.

Ron Paul? After that rediculous comment? I applaud Giuliani and I believe he won the debate. I mean, he smacked Ron Paul in the head and got applause for doing so.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/

Highlight of debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk334TbliaY#P9R5JtzJpjw) between Ghouliani and Ron Paul.

What a dick Giuliani is. He goes and twists Ron Paul's words so that it sounds like he "hates America", when he's just talking about the fact that the US Federal government pisses people off. Thank God I'm not a Republican anymore.

BTW, did you mispell Giuliani's name, or is it supposed to be a jab at Mr. Giuliani?

What a dick Giuliani is. He goes and twists Ron Paul's words so that it sounds like he "hates America", when he's just talking about the fact that the US Federal government pisses people off. Thank God I'm not a Republican anymore.

They attack us because we've been over there," Paul said. "We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years."

:rolleyes: Pretty much blaming america for 9/11. Big thumbs down.

They attack us because we've been over there," Paul said. "We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years."

:rolleyes: Pretty much blaming america for 9/11. Big thumbs down.

He's blaming the government, not you and me. There's a difference, you know.

He's blaming the government, not you and me. There's a difference, you know.

Yea but then, when you look at who was in office during most of that time, he's blaming Clinton. But he is pretty much placing the blame on America. No wonder Giuliani got pissed and demanded a recantation that was never given.

They attack us because we've been over there," Paul said. "We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years."

:rolleyes: Pretty much blaming america for 9/11. Big thumbs down.

Yeah, because it's not as if America's foreign policy over the last thirty years or so might have something to do with it...we're the perfect world police, remember? We never mess up anywhere or screw up order to serve our own interests. Oh, no, we're absolutely splendiferous! :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: Pretty much blaming america for 9/11. Big thumbs down.

They hate us for our freedom.

Ron Paul? After that rediculous comment? I applaud Giuliani and I believe he won the debate. I mean, he smacked Ron Paul in the head and got applause for doing so.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/So you think they hate us because we are free not because we have been over there fucking up their lives for at least 15 years? The fact that the fox nazis clapped is not evidence of ghouliani winning it just shows how stupid people are and what a fucked up world we live in. I almost threw up after I heard those people clapping at ghoulianis ignorant comment it made me lose faith humanity. I just have to remember that they are not real humans because real people don't watch fox news.

What a dick Giuliani is. He goes and twists Ron Paul's words so that it sounds like he "hates America", when he's just talking about the fact that the US Federal government pisses people off. Thank God I'm not a Republican anymore.

BTW, did you mispell Giuliani's name, or is it supposed to be a jab at Mr. Giuliani?No it was intentional.

Yea but then, when you look at who was in office during most of that time, he's blaming Clinton. But he is pretty much placing the blame on America. No wonder Giuliani got pissed and demanded a recantation that was never given.

Wasn't Reagan in office during the Soviet/Afghanistan war? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 except for the fact it's in the Middle East, and so was the group who planned it. (Although Al Queda has a lot of influence in Africa too)

So you think they hate us because we are free not because we have been over there fucking up their lives for at least 15 years?

Striking back with terror does not solve anything. Look at the Middle East. It has not solved anything there but resulted in more violence. Terrorists attacked us (deserved or not is irrelevent) and we struck back with more force than they probably thought we would strike back with. I mean, look at the punitive responses to 1993 after the WTC attacks and the response to the embassy bombings, the hotel bombing in Saudi Arabia, and let us not forget the USS Cole

The fact that fox news clapped is not evidence of giuliani winning it just shows how stupid people are and what a fucked up world we live in.

Why don't you grow up and actually stop being a little troll. We have enough of them as it is.

I almost threw up after I heard those people laughing at giuliani's ignorant comment it made me lose faith humanity. I just have to remember that they are not real humans because real people don't watch fox news.

:rolleyes: Yes you are indeed a troll.

Wasn't Reagan in office during the Soviet/Afghanistan war? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 except for the fact it's in the Middle East, and so was the group who planned it. (Although Al Queda has a lot of influence in Africa too)

I was actually talking about the last 10 years.

No it was intentional.

Oh, then I think you should apologize to the poor ghouls. They have to put up with adventurers coming to slay them and take their claws, the last thing they need is to be compared to Giuliani. :D

Yea but then, when you look at who was in office during most of that time, he's blaming Clinton. But he is pretty much placing the blame on America. No wonder Giuliani got pissed and demanded a recantation that was never given.

I'm a bit disturbed by your tendency to conflate the American state and America the country. Paul is blaming the former, not the latter. You and I have relatively little to do with US policy, and Paul is not calling us bad people.

Striking back with terror does not solve anything.
What's your point? We agree with you on this.
Look at the Middle East. It has not solved anything there but resulted in more violence. Terrorists attacked us (deserved or not is irrelevent) and we struck back with more force than they probably thought we would strike back with. I mean, look at the punitive responses to 1993 after the WTC attacks and the response to the embassy bombings, the hotel bombing in Saudi Arabia, and let us not forget the USS Cole
Let me make clear what the problem we have with your argument is. We are the ones causing such trouble for them, with foolish foreign policy decisions, such as arming Iraq back in 1981, or aiding the Taliban in securing control of Afghanistan, or any of the odd anti-Soviet activities we participated in since the 50s. We created anti-American sentiment through our own bad decisions, and now we're paying for it. Rather than continue to do what we have been doing and fostering more hate, we need to act responsibly.

I'm a bit disturbed by your tendency to conflate the American state and America the country. Paul is blaming the former, not the latter. You and I have relatively little to do with US policy, and Paul is not calling us bad people.

Not arguing but the fact that he said America (yes I know he is implying the government) is what is getting the press coverage and why he is not getting the nomination and why he lost this debate.

Not arguing but the fact that he said America (yes I know he is implying the government) is what is getting the press coverage and why he is not getting the nomination and why he lost this debate.

But that's the media distorting what he said, not him losing the debate.

But that's the media distorting what he said, not him losing the debate.

The fact that Giuliani slammed Paul for his comment says it all.

I was actually talking about the last 10 years.

Ah, the whole Clinton not wanting to assassinate Obama thing. This isn't Russia after all. :p

Not arguing but the fact that he said America (yes I know he is implying the government) is what is getting the press coverage and why he is not getting the nomination and why he lost this debate.He is not getting the nomination because he is not a lying political whore like the other candidates. He uses intellect instead of whipping up fear like the other candidates. Ron Paul did not lose the debate look on MSN pole he was first even on fox news biased poll he was 2nd. Look on youtube the new battleground of politics the majority of people agree with him.

He is not getting the nomination because he is not a lying political whore like the other candidates.

If you think he does not lie to get votes, then you truly are a troll.

He uses intellect instead of whipping up fear like the other candidates.

Oh brother.

Ron Paul did not lose the debate look on MSN pole he was first even on fox news biased poll he was 2nd.

And I do not trust polls where people can vote via multiple computers to pad the numbers.

Look on youtube the new battleground of politics the majority of people agree with him.

That's another debate for another time. If the majority of people agree with him then why isn't he leading McCain and Guiliani? Oh wait. That's because the majority of the people DO NOT agree with him.

The fact that Giuliani slammed Paul for his comment says it all.

Well, just because a jerk twists your words doesn't make it that you lose the argument.

That's another debate for another time. If the majority of people agree with him then why isn't he leading McCain and Guiliani? Oh wait. That's because the majority of the people DO NOT agree with him.

I would argue that it's because up until this point he's been largely ignored. Hell, I wasn't even sure he was a Republican at all, just some dude (I think it's) Wilgrove dug up from some random third party.

If he does get flow from this debate you might see those numbers change. At the very least he wasn't talking down the situation and actually looking realistically at what is happening and why. He got my attention.

I like Ron Paul and I think that he actually has a chance when the election season really kicks in. He has an underground like no one else, and his opinions may even pull in Democrats if the wrong one gets the nomination.

Ron Paul? After that rediculous comment? I applaud Giuliani and I believe he won the debate. I mean, he smacked Ron Paul in the head and got applause for doing so.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/

Those people are applauding because they are morons.

I don't think Ron Paul has the slightest chance at getting the Republican nomination, but that's really neither here nor there for me (as I don't see myself voting in the GOP primary); what does matter is that everyday American conservatives are being exposed to Goldwateresque conservatism- you know, the kind that doesn't want to nuke gays for Jesus.

Even FOX News showed him pulling 2nd in the post-debate poll (25%, trailing Romney by 4%), which speaks loudly of the "conservative" base's ambivalence concerning the neoconservative platform. I was absolutely shocked to see Paul's post-debate figures; I thought his awesome yet unpopular assessment of America's poor foreign policy would simply terminate his political existence.

If nothing else, I think Ron Paul is helping America by showing the GOP that you don't have to be a social jackass in order to pull votes... perhaps future Republican candidates will be more comfortable adopting moderate social positions in the name of limited government.

*shrugs*

Wishful thinking, perhaps.

I would argue that it's because up until this point he's been largely ignored. Hell, I wasn't even sure he was a Republican at all, just some dude (I think it's) Wilgrove dug up from some random third party.

If he does get flow from this debate you might see those numbers change. At the very least he wasn't talking down the situation and actually looking realistically at what is happening and why. He got my attention.

And he hasn't been raising any money either. Let's face it--right now polls are meaningless because they're name recognition contests and nothing else. You know who was in the lead for the Democratic nomination at this point in 2003? Joe Effing Lieberman. And we all know how far Joe-mentum took him in the primaries.

It will be interesting to see if Paul gets a bump in the polls. I doubt he'll get much because no one outside us junkies is actually paying attention right now, more's the pity.

Which one of the debaters was the mayor of San Diego?