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Why do people not respect others views?
Why do many people want others to believe what they do?

Because people tend to believe that they're right even if some evidence may say otherwise and because if they're right those who disagree with them are wrong.

I respect other people's right to hold different views, even if that view is nonsense. Doesn't mean I have to respect the view itself. I may attempt to persuade people that my views are correct, but it's not like I'd try to force them to change their mind.

I respect other people's right to hold different views, even if that view is nonsense. Doesn't mean I have to respect the view itself. I may attempt to persuade people that my views are correct, but it's not like I'd try to force them to change their mind.

That's really the key. I respect the right for people to have their own opinions, even if that opinion is worthy of ridicule. A creationist can believe the earth was sneezed out of God's nostril 6 weeks ago if he or she wants to and I respect that person's right to hold said opinion.

But respect the opinion itself? Why should I respect utter nonsense?

Because people tend to believe that they're right even if some evidence may say otherwise and because if they're right those who disagree with them are wrong.

*thinks about conspiracy theorists*
They don't have some evidence against them; the vast majority of the time every single one of their points can be refuted.
Therefore, their attitude is not explained there.
I think humans just want to propogate memes of any type they can.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they don't respect others' views.
I, for example, debate the existence of God regularly, and throughout that time I try to express and spread my own ideas. I still listen to the other person, though.

I respect other people's right to hold different views, even if that view is nonsense. Doesn't mean I have to respect the view itself. I may attempt to persuade people that my views are correct, but it's not like I'd try to force them to change their mind.

Seconded.

I don't mind that you believe, and in fact I would defend your right to believe no matter how much I disagreed with your beliefs.
That doesn't mean I can't think your beliefs are a load of crock.

I respect other people's right to hold different views, even if that view is nonsense. Doesn't mean I have to respect the view itself. I may attempt to persuade people that my views are correct, but it's not like I'd try to force them to change their mind.

Seconded.

I don't mind that you believe, and in fact I would defend your right to believe no matter how much I disagreed with your beliefs.
That doesn't mean I can't think your beliefs are a load of crock.

Because we want everyone else to be exactly like us, it's perceived as somewhat self affirming when someone agrees with you, and something of an indirect insult when they disagree with you..

I, for example, debate the existence of God regularly, and throughout that time I try to express and spread my own ideas. I still listen to the other person, though.


That's really the key. I respect the right for people to have their own opinions, even if that opinion is worthy of ridicule. A creationist can believe the earth was sneezed out of God's nostril 6 weeks ago if he or she wants to and I respect that person's right to hold said opinion.


please keep god and religon out of this




Why do some people respect views while others don't?

Why do people not respect others views?
Why do many people want others to believe what they do?

Two parts

1) who cares if your views are respected , the only right you have is them to respect that you can have other views

All views are NOT equal they just should be equally allowed unless harm to others is a result

2) because people believe they are right otherwise they would not hold thoes beliefs.

who would hold a belief they think was wrong? as such others believing the same thing just re-enforces your belief of correctness.

I don't respect others' views when they think those views should be legislated.

I, for example, debate the existence of God regularly, and throughout that time I try to express and spread my own ideas. I still listen to the other person, though.


That's really the key. I respect the right for people to have their own opinions, even if that opinion is worthy of ridicule. A creationist can believe the earth was sneezed out of God's nostril 6 weeks ago if he or she wants to and I respect that person's right to hold said opinion.


please keep god and religon out of this




Why do some people respect views while others don't?

Why should a person with a silly belief like that NOT have it pointed out how silly their belief is?

They still have a right to hold it sure, but shutting your mouth about things like that is a good way to let ignorance spread

People don't respect others views because they assume that their views will not be respect. Preemptive assholery.

Why do some people respect views while others don't?

If it was my view that all [Jews/Homosexuals/Gypsies/People who enjoyed the Harry Potter films] should be killed, would you respect that?

Why do people not respect others views?
Why should we?

My views are rationally defensible. Those of others often are not. And since I'm actually using an objective standard by which to judge the views (rationality), I can safely respect some and not others.
Why do many people want others to believe what they do?
I just want people who are wrong to understand why they're wrong.

Why should a person with a silly belief like that NOT have it pointed out how silly their belief is?

They still have a right to hold it sure, but shutting your mouth about things like that is a good way to let ignorance spread


point out how silly it is on your own time
this is my thread an d it is not a disprove religion thread, okay?

I took offense with the second one any way.


RLI Rides Again

As long as you didn't act on your beliefs, they should be respected

Why should a person with a silly belief like that NOT have it pointed out how silly their belief is?

They still have a right to hold it sure, but shutting your mouth about things like that is a good way to let ignorance spread

Personally I don't think that you should hold your tongue about why you disagree with someones belief but you should be polite and sensitive to their feelings. Where possible phrase things to be less antagonistic is generally my way. Calling someone silly and ignorant for example will put them on the defensive and more likely to close their minds to your points

If the views are fairly close (say moderate catholicism and moderate protestantism), you can expect them to respect your views. They won't agree with them, mind you, but you have something in common with them.

At the other end (say american politics vs taliban politics) there's no common ground. They claim that democrats and republicans are the same, but that's only because their views are EXTREMELY different. Frankly, I don't see a difference between Sunni and Shia (which I'm sure would highly offend them) for the same reason -- they must have SOME difference, but the differences are completely dwarfed by the difference between them and the differences between christianity and islam.

Why do many people want others to believe what they do?

because those people think that if everyone thought the same as they did, everything would be so much better. not always true.

Everyone beliefs and reviews are equal. Non can be defended. they just are
this is a response to Llewdor

Personally I don't think that you should hold your tongue about why you disagree with someones belief but you should be polite and sensitive to their feelings. Where possible phrase things to be less antagonistic is generally my way. Calling someone silly and ignorant for example will put them on the defensive and more likely to close their minds to your points

I agree, but thats about good form and politeness not about respecting their views

The two are separate issues

I agree, but thats about good form and politeness not about respecting their views

The two are separate issues

You're right. The politeness, etc is more of a superficial thing. Point taken

I, for example, debate the existence of God regularly, and throughout that time I try to express and spread my own ideas. I still listen to the other person, though.


That's really the key. I respect the right for people to have their own opinions, even if that opinion is worthy of ridicule. A creationist can believe the earth was sneezed out of God's nostril 6 weeks ago if he or she wants to and I respect that person's right to hold said opinion.


please keep god and religon out of this




Why do some people respect views while others don't?

Why should religion be kept out of the thread? It's a public forum. We can post anything within the guidelines.
In any case, it's not as though your beliefs are being attacked by those posts. I certainly didn't intend to attack you or your beliefs with mine.

Religion is perhaps the prime cause of people ignoring other's viewpoints in favour of their own; there is no excuse for leaving it out.

Where, I think is an important question. I don't run into churches and yell, "You're all fucking idiots!" I would submit that if this happens it is so incredibly rare as to not merit much comment.

Here is a forum, one leaned heavily towards debate. As such, any view expressed is up for debate. The relative delicacy with which that debate is handled varies.

Even in day to day life, if you express a view you are offering it up for discussion. If you do not want comment on it, keep it to yourself. To express a view and to not expect any counterpoint is to not respect the views of the people you just imposed yours on. In short, if you start a discussion do not get upset if one happens.

Everyone beliefs and reviews are equal. Non can be defended. they just are
this is a response to Llewdor

Dammit, learn to use the quote button. Throw us a fucking bone.

RLI Rides Again

As long as you didn't act on your beliefs, they should be respected

Bullshit. Bigotry shouldn't be allowed to fester, it should be ridiculed and intellectually shredded.

Simon Blackburn (a leading UK philosopher) recounts the following anecdote in one of his books to show the foolishness of complete acceptance and relativism:

At a conference on religious tolerance and diversity, representatives of different groups are explaining their beliefs.

First, a Buddhist steps up, and explains about reincarnation and the Noble Eightfold Path. The panel applaud enthusiastically and say "Cool! If that works for you then that's great!"

Next, a Unitarian Universalist comes onto the stage, and talks about harmony and the need for mutual understanding. The panel applaud enthusiastically and say "Cool! If that works for you then that's great!"

Next, a hard-line Christian steps up, and talks about the Ressurection and the Bible. The panel applaud enthusiastically and say "Cool! If that works for you then that's great!"

The man is furious, he shouts "It isn't 'cool', it's the inerrant word of a living God and you'll go to Hell if you think otherwise!"

To which the panel replied: "Cool! If that works for you then that's great!"

Everyone beliefs and reviews are equal. Non can be defended. they just are
this is a response to Llewdor

Not quite. You can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't stop some of them (such as the belief that John C. Calhoun was a potbellied midget with seven wings and a horn) from being very wrong.

Why do people not respect others views?
Why do many people want others to believe what they do?

I respect other people's views. I take their views seriously and not "consider them worthless." that's how I respect other's veiwpoints.

Why should we?

My views are rationally defensible. Those of others often are not. And since I'm actually using an objective standard by which to judge the views (rationality), I can safely respect some and not others.

I just want people who are wrong to understand why they're wrong.

That was a very amusing post. I am really trying to interpret why it was so darn amusing.

No joke, that was hilarious.

There's no reason I should respect someone's views if don't respect them. Respecting their right to their opinion, perhaps.

You may believe the moon is made of green cheese, I certainly don't have to respect that belief. If you continue to prattle on about how the moon is made of green cheese, I may suddenly realize that you're not joking and have to dig up reasons why you're wrong. I don't like the idea of other people catching your green cheese notion, and will feel compelled to explain why it isn't. That's no more different then your reason to prattle on about green cheese.

(No disrespect meant to the believers of the green cheese notion.)

You're right. The politeness, etc is more of a superficial thing. Point taken

Yup I mean I make a point to be nice to people specially in person but as long as I respect their right to hold their own views I dont feel obligated to respect the views themselfs

And in a place like this as opposed to RL where the name of the game is debate, I dont need to avoid the subject either.

Everyone beliefs and reviews are equal. Non can be defended. they just are
this is a response to Llewdor

Sure they can plenty can be defended

In fact I would say all can be defended, just the successfulness and quality varies.

Why do people not respect others views?
Why do many people want others to believe what they do?

i don't have to respect you views. i respect your right to believe what you like. i also reserve the right to oppose those views if i disagree with them. if i disagree strongly enough and you are not providing adequate counter-arguments i reserve the right to mock you. (i don't know what you believe, this is hypothetical)

Because the other people are wrong.

There's no reason I should respect someone's views if don't respect them. Respecting their right to their opinion, perhaps.

You may believe the moon is made of green cheese, I certainly don't have to respect that belief. If you continue to prattle on about how the moon is made of green cheese, I may suddenly realize that you're not joking and have to dig up reasons why you're wrong. I don't like the idea of other people catching your green cheese notion, and will feel compelled to explain why it isn't. That's no more different then your reason to prattle on about green cheese.

(No disrespect meant to the believers of the green cheese notion.)

Not quite. You can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't stop some of them (such as the belief that John C. Calhoun was a potbellied midget with seven wings and a horn) from being very wrong.



Those things are facts not beliefs

beliefs are things that can't be proven or disproven

With that said why do people still try to change other peoples?

With that said why do people still try to change other peoples?

Because those beliefs affect the way they act and vote?

Not quite. You can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't stop some of them (such as the belief that John C. Calhoun was a potbellied midget with seven wings and a horn) from being very wrong.



Those things are facts not beliefs

beliefs are things that can't be proven or disproven

With that said why do people still try to change other peoples?

Not so. The theory of gravity is just a belief, and yet it can be disproven (theoretically).
A belief is merely a viewpoint.
I believe that the world is round. That's a personal belief, and yet it can be proven.
I believe that 0.9 recurring equals one. I believe this because it has been proven to me. For the longest of times I believed that 0.9 recurring didn't equal one.

Your definition stinks. I'm sorry, but it does. Some day someone might disprove God; then what will you say? That those who believed in God did not actually believe in Him?

And use the quote button!

Oh, and if you're so horrified by the idea of people trying to change each others opinions then what the hell are you doing on a discussion/debate board?

Not so. The theory of gravity is just a belief, and yet it can be disproven (theoretically).

Some day someone might disprove God; then what will you say? That those who believed in God did not actually believe in Him?

And use the quote button!

you cant quote 2 posts at once

how has the theory of gravity been disproved?


What will I say?
They believe in him at the the time

Oh, and if you're so horrified by the idea of people trying to change each others opinions then what the hell are you doing on a discussion/debate board?

beliefs not opinions

Oh, and if you're so horrified by the idea of people trying to change each others opinions then what the hell are you doing on a discussion/debate board?

It does seem somewhat silly of him, doesn't it?
I particularly liked the way that he tried to prevent religion from being discussed here; what is the point of doing so? Religion or atheism are the prime suspects for his questions; why prevent discussion of them on those grounds?

Why do people not respect others views?
Why do many people want others to believe what they do?

It beats me. I even catch myself doing that once in a while. Why don't people just leave others the-hell alone, and mind ther own damn business?!?!?!

Those things are facts not beliefs

beliefs are things that can't be proven or disproven

With that said why do people still try to change other peoples?

Since most beliefs are based on little but blind faith, many will dispute those beliefs based on the fact that they cannot be proven. Not to mention differences in dogma, a multitude of different religions with their own need to add adherents, etc.

Why do some people feel the need to go door to door to change others beliefs? Why do some feel the need to restrict an entire people's diet based on their belief?

It's about convicition. The notion that not only are you right, but by convincing someone else that you're right, you're doing them a favour.

Of course, some of us just like to piss people off. It's part of our belief system.

beliefs not opinions

Ahem:

beliefs are things that can't be proven or disproven

how has the theory of gravity been disproved?


You didn't read what he posted. Gravity can theoretically be disproved...falsifiability is one of the major things a theory must be in order to even be considered scientific. This why creationism and the existence of God cannot ever really be considered scientific concepts.

you cant quote 2 posts at once


Psst. Bottom right corner of each post, right next to the 'quote' button, is a multi-quote button. Select this for each post you would like to quote, and then hit 'reply'.

Works like a charm.

you cant quote 2 posts at once

how has the theory of gravity been disproved?


What will I say?
They believe in him at the the time

It hasn't. It can be, though, if just a single observation defies the laws of the theory.

It's called a multi-quote, deary. Just click the button next to the quote button and finish with the new post button. Your multiple quotes will appear in the reply box.

You didn't read what he posted. Gravity can theoretically be disproved...falsifiability is one of the major things a theory must be in order to even be considered scientific. This why creationism and the existence of God cannot ever really be considered scientific concepts.

Indeed.

Why do people not respect others views?

Because some people hold views that are not respectable.

Everyone beliefs and reviews are equal. Non can be defended. they just are
this is a response to Llewdor
Beliefs can't be defended, but the absence of beliefs most certainly can be.

And, frankly, if I held an opinion that was patently absurd, I'd want someone to correct me.

It's called a multi-quote, deary. Just click the button next to the quote button and finish with the new post button. Your multiple quotes will appear in the reply box.
Huh. I've always assembled my multi-quotes manually.

Huh. I've always assembled my multi-quotes manually.

I used to until I found the multi-quote button.

I used to until I found the multi-quote button.

For revealing that, you are now my God.

For revealing that, you are now my God.

Um... Yay?

I now demand that the infidels be converted and that a thousand sugared almonds and bags of candyfloss be sacrificed to me! Go, now!
I think.

Sigged, by the way. I always wanted to be worshipped. :)

Um... Yay?

I now demand that the infidels be converted and that a thousand sugared almonds and bags of candyfloss be sacrificed to me! Go, now!
I think.

Sigged, by the way. I always wanted to be worshipped. :)

*obeys*

I, for example, debate the existence of God regularly, and throughout that time I try to express and spread my own ideas. I still listen to the other person, though.


That's really the key. I respect the right for people to have their own opinions, even if that opinion is worthy of ridicule. A creationist can believe the earth was sneezed out of God's nostril 6 weeks ago if he or she wants to and I respect that person's right to hold said opinion.


please keep god and religon out of this

Why do some people respect views while others don't?


well now, do you argue the existence of god with people who arent interested in debating the existence of god? do you bring it up out of the blue to plague believers with their unsupportable beliefs?

if so you are a jerk

if you love to debate the existence of god with those believers who also love to debate the existence of god, welcome to nsg!

Easy.

Because the other people are idiots. :)

Here's the problem, one that this forum shows time and time again.

It's not just that people don't 'respect' other views, most often they haven't even listened to, or read, other views.

Instead of actually reading a thread through, seeing who wrote the points. understanding any context and contributing a thoughtful response, most posters simply skim through and jot down their own thoughts.

That's why you get the same mind-numbing points about the same mind-numbing issues time after time.

Now, sometimes you'll get a post that has interesting information, yet that still doesn't necessarily mean the person who wrote that information read, or cared for your views in the first place. Sometimes you'll get a poster who's built up enough credibility that people do take the time to think about what's written, yet for the majority - no one notices, it's simply another aspect of the vast white noise of chatter.

Same in RL

And as Fass writes, some people simply hold views that are not respectable.

Easy.

Because the other people are idiots. :)

/thread

Why do people not respect others views?
Why do many people want others to believe what they do?

Because they are PC liberals.

Why do people not respect others views?
I do.
Why do many people want others to believe what they do?
Because I'm right when I want others to believe what I believe :)

Seconded.

I don't mind that you believe, and in fact I would defend your right to believe no matter how much I disagreed with your beliefs.
That doesn't mean I can't think your beliefs are a load of crock.

Exactly.

I think that least part of the reason a person doesn't respect others' beliefs (by that I mean those beliefs held by other which the person in question thinks are erroneous) is that they're afraid the person will ACT on those beliefs.

Example:

Person A believes that if he fires a gun at someone's heart, it will not harm that person. Person B knows this to be erroneous, but since it's just a belief, well fine, let the other guy believe it. IF, however, Person A ACTED on his belief and shot Person C in the heart, then of course that would be a tragedy. It's possibilities like that that make Person B not respect Person A's beliefs.

Does that make any sense?