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I am a Christian.
I believe that the bible, except for the new testament, is not to be taken literally
I believe in Evolution
I believe in the Big bang
I have no problem with abortion

Are the fundamentalist and outspoken minority? Or am I the minority among Christians?
I never been able to figure it out.

Please don't talk about religion in general, just the question.

probably

I'm more or less a deist/cultural Catholic, and I agree with you on everything except abortion. So I guess you're not so much of a minority.

in America, maybe. not necessarily other parts of the world.

A lot of my friends consider themselves Christian and believe all that. So I'm sure that it's definitly not a minority, just not a very outspoken one.

Most christians I know quote chunks of the bible as though its a rule book, so in my case you would seem like the minority.

But then again location is going to play a large factor on that. The United States in general seems to have an unusually large chunk of people who do treat the bible as a set of rules.

And I'm also from Kentucky, as I understand we tend to have more down south anyway.

I am a Christian.
I believe that the bible, except for the new testament, is not to be taken literally
I believe in Evolution
I believe in the Big bang
I have no problem with abortion

Are the fundamentalist and outspoken minority? Or am I the minority among Christians?
I never been able to figure it out.

Please don't talk about religion in general, just the question.

Depends where you live.

lets say out of all Christians.
not in the minority where I live
but the whole populace

I'm defiantly not the minority in my town. Everyones pretty much believe what I said in the o

I'm more or less a deist/cultural Catholic, and I agree with you on everything except abortion.
Same with me.

The problem is that "christian" is a very gray area. At one end you have religious nutjobs (such as Pat Robertson), while at the other end you have people who don't attend chuch and only think about it around christmas. Frankly, I oinly have a problem with the first type -- I have no proiblem with the second type whether they're christian, muslim, jewish, pastafarianist, or whatever.

And for the record, until my conversion (anticonversion?) to atheist, I was a not-too-religious jew, just like the rest of my family.

And for the record, until my conversion (anticonversion?) to atheist, I was a not-too-religious jew.

hah, didn't have far to fall did ya? (I say this as a not-too-religious jew)

Im like that except on abortion in most cases (rape, incest and a few other circumstances excepted).
I'd call myself a rather atheist like christian.

And in the UK around half the priesthood are quite liberal these days.

I'd call myself a rather atheist like christian.

How is that even possible?

I'm pretty similar.

I'm a Christian.
I believe that all of the Bible is to be taken literally, but it can be seen many different ways.
I don't believe in evolution, but I do believe that God made the animals so that they could adapt to their environment.
I don't believe in the big bang.
I have a major problem with abortion, but think it should be legal.
I have a minor problem with homosexuals, but think they should be allowed to be married.

Well, most people are wrong. So you're in the majority. :)

I am a Christian.
I believe that the bible, except for the new testament, is not to be taken literally
I believe in Evolution
I believe in the Big bang
I have no problem with abortion

Are the fundamentalist and outspoken minority? Or am I the minority among Christians?

Except for the literalness of the new testament you share the official viewpoint of the Dutch government, which is led by a Christian party. Though they are moving in a more conservative direction now.

Except for your abortion stance your views are Roman Catholic ;)

You're not the minority on the first page of threads...ya wanna ease the trigger on that 'post new thread' button a bit?

I don't believe in evolution, but I do believe that God made the animals so that they could adapt to their environment.

I'm curious what, conceptually, is the difference between these.

I am a Christian.
I believe that the bible, except for the new testament, is not to be taken literally
I believe in Evolution
I believe in the Big bang
I have no problem with abortion

Are the fundamentalist and outspoken minority? Or am I the minority among Christians?
I never been able to figure it out.

Please don't talk about religion in general, just the question.

fundies are just noisier. you just have to be even louder.

How is that even possible?
The same way it's possible to be a Christian-like atheist; you just take what properties you like from either side and mesh them together.

Not terribly taxing. :p

I'm curious what, conceptually, is the difference between these.

A deity farted and out came the universe.

A deity farted and out came the universe.

which is neither agreed to, nor disputed by the theory of evolution. Evolution doesn't touch on the area of how the universe came to be, or how first life arrived.

It only involves what happens to that life once it got here.

A deity farted and out came the universe.

please don't insult other peoples views
Im trying a discussion about my question
please don't change the focus

On NSG, or in general?

On NSG, or in general?

in the world

The same way it's possible to be a Christian-like atheist; you just take what properties you like from either side and mesh them together.

Not terribly taxing. :p

One can be a christian like atheist through a disbelief in god, while at the same time incorporating christian morals into his belief system, without believing that those moralities are divine in nature.

One can not be an atheist like christian as atheism is defined soley as the belief that there is no god. There is nothing more to incoporate. No other properties to be meshed.

There is nothing about atheism that can be incorporated into christianity, except for the sole belief of atheism, there is no god, which can not be incorporated into christianity, as it would no longer be christianity.

There is nothing about atheism that can be incorporated into christianity, except for the sole belief of atheism, there is no god, which can not be incorporated into christianity, as it would no longer be christianity.
Atheism is about not having an explicit belief in God (apparently), and its core objective can be essentially outlined as a position of skepticism and critique. A Christianity skeptical and analytical of its own history and theology could still be Christianity if what it refers to as the Present Day Christ survives the bulk of this skepticism; which indeed it does, given that its unifying factor is the pseudo-empirical observation of this figure.

Atheism is about not having an explicit belief in God (apparently)

No, that is agnosticism, and if we wanted to replace atheist with agnostic you probably have a point.

Atheism, rather, is having the explicit believe in no god.

A Christianity skeptical and analytical of its own history and theology could still be Christianity if what it refers to as the Present Day Christ survives the bulk of this skepticism; which indeed it does

That's a whole other argument, and one not suitable for this discussion.

I am a Christian.
I believe that the bible, except for the new testament, is not to be taken literally
I believe in Evolution
I believe in the Big bang
I have no problem with abortion

Are the fundamentalist and outspoken minority? Or am I the minority among Christians?
I never been able to figure it out.

Please don't talk about religion in general, just the question.

Would if bother you if you were the minority?

Would if bother you if you were the minority?

It would bother me severly

It would bother me severly

Then prepare to be bothered. The majority of the world probably disagrees.

No, that is agnosticism, and if we wanted to replace atheist with agnostic you probably have a point.

Atheism, rather, is having the explicit believe in no god.

Wrong. Agnosticism is the position that we can never know whether or not a god exists. You can have agnostic theists and agnostic atheists. Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in a god or gods. Believing that no god exists is referred to as explicit atheism or antitheism.

Umm...definitely, yeah.

I am a Christian.
I believe that the bible, except for the new testament, is not to be taken literally
I believe in Evolution
I believe in the Big bang
I have no problem with abortion

Are the fundamentalist and outspoken minority? Or am I the minority among Christians?
I never been able to figure it out.

Please don't talk about religion in general, just the question.

similar, except, I also think the Old Testiment shouldn't be taken literally.

I am a Christian.
I believe that the bible, except for the new testament, is not to be taken literally
I believe in Evolution
I believe in the Big bang
I have no problem with abortion

Are the fundamentalist and outspoken minority? Or am I the minority among Christians?
I never been able to figure it out.

Please don't talk about religion in general, just the question.

You are not alone. That's exactly my point of view. I don't see why I can't be a christian, and believe in the Big Bang, and think abortion is alright, and should be provided freely by clinics.

similar, except, I also think the Old Testiment shouldn't be taken literally.

that exactly what i said.

It would bother me severly

The world has been generalized, and divided into groups of which sanity and logic belongs to the majority...fuck that

please don't insult other peoples views


That was not an insult- it is an actual religious belief. Christianity does not have a monopoly on religion.

A deity farted and out came the universe.

That was not an insult- it is an actual religious belief. Christianity does not have a monopoly on religion.

So people believe a diety farted and the World was made?
It seems like in an insult in its contexts

So people believe a diety farted and the World was made?

The Egyptians even believed the god Atum fellated himself to this effect...

Many other religions use concepts like sneezing or bleeding. All of them however have in common that they state the creation of the world was not the result of a carefully designed plan, but an coincidence/accident.

So people believe a diety farted and the World was made?
It seems like in an insult in its contexts

An episode of Family Guy made light of this...it depicted God lighting a fart and the Big Bang taking place.

lets say out of all Christians.
not in the minority where I live
but the whole populace

I'm defiantly not the minority in my town. Everyones pretty much believe what I said in the o

so you want to know if your views make you part of the minority. Well there are what 1 to 2 billion christians? Probably not but maybe. Go out and ask them

A deity farted and out came the universe.

Ahhh but did he light it? that would explain the burning balls of gas in the sky. But why were'nt gas giants lit? Or it was'nt lit. And what caused the fart? cosmic beans? so many questions