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So, do you use pandora, and if you do, what are your station thingies?

I use it, as evidenced by me starting this thread.

Ugh, it was perfect until all those ads invaded, especially that one with Fall Out Boy... *shutters*

What are you complaining about? Since when do you use pandora to look at it all the time? It usually stays minimized for me ...

my sig says i do. i believe it.

Occasionally. Some of my stations are Nirvana, Local H, Blue Cheer, Pearls Before Swine, Godflesh, Joy Division, The Gits, Babes In Toyland, Napalm Death, and The Plasmatics.

Yup. Almost daily.

Bad Religion Radio
Billy Bragg Radio
Epica Radio
Government Issue Radio
Phil Ochs Radio
The Ramones Radio
Rush Radio
Sonata Arctica Radio

I use it to find new bands, mostly I much prefer to listen to my own tunes when I can since I know what I like unlike this evil machine

my stations:


the station formally known as Prince
that electronic station that went drum and base
rock spatula
the condemned hospital petting zoo
misc
secret woman station


edit: it appears I have too much time on my hands

Hmm, trying it right now.

Interesting.

Dear Pandora Visitor,

We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for most listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.

We believe that you are in Sweden (your IP address appears to be XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support@pandora.com

I guess not.

Dear Pandora Visitor,

We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for most listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.

We believe that you are in Sweden (your IP address appears to be XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support@pandora.com

I guess not.

they must have started doing extra checks cuz when i signed up they only asked for a US zip code so i gave them the one for Times Square and the site accepted it.

they must have started doing extra checks cuz when i signed up they only asked for a US zip code so i gave them the one for Times Square and the site accepted it.

naw they started doing IP checks awhile ago luckily the UK is also accepted now

surely you can hide your IP though:confused:

surely you can hide your IP though:confused:

I shouldn't have to be put through such an indignity by anyone, let alone volunteer to do it for the oh, so coveted "privilege" to become someone's customer.

Idiocy, and such sites can go fuck themselves.

So, do you use pandora


Not since I got her to open that box..

her box rather... I hope you didn't read this...

Dear Pandora Visitor,

We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for most listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.

We believe that you are in Sweden (your IP address appears to be XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support@pandora.com

I guess not.
I cannot believe you. You know you are only part of the problem by not subverting it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29

I shouldn't have to be put through such an indignity by anyone, let alone volunteer to do it for the oh, so coveted "privilege" to become someone's customer.

Idiocy, and such sites can go fuck themselves.

Apparently you don't realise that they aren't doing this because they want to. If they had their druthers, they'd let you access it, but they will face court action if they don't make a real effort to keep people not covered in their liscence from accessing their station.

But that would require not having a sense of inflated self-entitlement.

Apparently you don't realise that they aren't doing this because they want to.
Lies, they are obviously doing it specifically to spite him, or at least the great nation of Sweden.

Apparently you don't realise that they aren't doing this because they want to. If they had their druthers, they'd let you access it, but they will face court action if they don't make a real effort to keep people not covered in their liscence from accessing their station.

No one is forcing them to be based in a country with loony laws like the US. So, they are indeed doing this because they want to.

But that would require not having a sense of inflated self-entitlement.

By not using their site (which I could do in a second through a proxy) you are going to claim I demand to be entitled to use it? That's just imbecilic. Nevertheless, I will under no circumstances frequent sites that discriminate against me. There are plenty of other fish in the sea that don't.

they must have started doing extra checks cuz when i signed up they only asked for a US zip code so i gave them the one for Times Square and the site accepted it.Yep. Ifreann posted about it here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525725

I cannot believe you. You know you are only part of the problem by not subverting it.

And buff the ad revenue of a site that chooses to comply with ridiculous laws it does not need to comply with and thus reward them for such stupidity? Hardly.

No one is forcing them to be based in a country with loony laws like the US. So, they are indeed doing this because they want to.

It isn't the laws of the U.S. that are causing the problem. The problem is the laws of other countries. Of course, that means that the U.S. isn't at fault, and I'm sure you couldn't possibly accept that.

Descrimination. Boy, someone has an inflated sense of his own importance.

And buff the ad revenue of a site that chooses to comply with ridiculous laws it does not need to comply with and thus reward them for such stupidity? Hardly.

Hmm, that's a rather good point...

It isn't the laws of the U.S. that are causing the problem. The problem is the laws of other countries. Of course, that means that the U.S. isn't at fault, and I'm sure you couldn't possibly accept that.

No, the problem here is that US law leaves them liable. They could easily relocate to a country where they wouldn't be. They choose not to.

Descrimination. Boy, someone has an inflated sense of his own importance.

Discrimination, and this is per the definition of the word discrimination on the basis of nationality. Illegal in certain places, though not in the US.

Yep. Ifreann posted about it here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525725

ah i see, how'd i miss that? that sucks a lot.

No, the problem here is that US law leaves them liable. They could easily relocate to a country where they wouldn't be. They choose not to.

wouldn't they legally have to move country though?

yes I do realize the stupidity of staying in the US for no reason but still...

wouldn't they legally have to move country though?

I am aware of no insurmountable impediment for them to move their site to servers outside the US.

yes I do realize the stupidity of staying in the US for no reason but still...

But still what? That's supposed to be the whole point of a global network - its globalism. All else is inertia. Look at the Pirate Bay. How long were they down when the Swedish authorities pressured by the US struck? 3 days. They were down longer when one of the guys behind it was ill with the flu. Where is the site hosted now? No longer solely in Sweden, that's where.

Jimi Hendrix Radio
MC5 Radio
Arctic Monkeys Radio
Wolfmother Radio
The Hives Radio

It's not very good at this. Though that might be a necessary part of the task.

I am aware of no insurmountable impediment for them to move their site to servers outside the US.

what about the companies they have to get there copyrights from to get music? the bands?

either way shouldn't it be your duty to send them an insulting email about how there suckers about to be shut down by arch duke von increased internet radio fee?

what about the companies they have to get there copyrights from to get music? the bands?

Different countries deal with royalties and copyrights differently. In any case, the question here is liability vs. insulation, not compliance with copyright laws of any one nation.

either way shouldn't it be your duty to send them an insulting email about how there suckers about to be shut down by arch duke von increased internet radio fee?

You're under the impression I'd like to use a shitty service like Pandora. Why, when I have sites like the Pirate Bay? Why, when I've non-US radio sites to listen to? It's a free market out there - why would I want to reward shitty sites?

You're under the impression I'd like to use a shitty service like Pandora. Why, when I have sites like the Pirate Bay? Why, when I've non-US radio sites to listen to? It's a free market out there - why would I want to reward shitty sites?

We're all very sorry Sweden fails at empire building - how much better the world might be if Charles X hadn't died of exhaustion having made it all the way to.....Poland.

I defend your right to disdain anything that smells of America but am thoroughly bored by it and I'm not even American.

Pandora is not a typical radio station, it matches your preferences and introduces you to new artists you might never have heard of, it's a good idea and it's entirely free.

I am aware of no insurmountable impediment for them to move their site to servers outside the US.
Except for the fact that they live here. I am aware of no insurmountable impediment for you to simply conceal your IP, but that isn't stopping your bitching, is it?

We're all very sorry Sweden fails at empire building - how much better the world might be if Charles X hadn't died of exhaustion having made it all the way to.....Poland.

historical ZiNG!

Except for the fact that they live here. I am aware of no insurmountable impediment for you to simply conceal your IP, but that isn't stopping your bitching, is it?

Did you not read his post he said it was not worth his time.

And indeed it's a useless website.

We're all very sorry Sweden fails at empire building - how much better the world might be if Charles X hadn't died of exhaustion having made it all the way to.....Poland.


You know how hard it is to propel a wheelchair over all that sort of terrain.. mental powers or no..

We're all very sorry Sweden fails at empire building - how much better the world might be if Charles X hadn't died of exhaustion having made it all the way to.....Poland.

You seem to think this has something to do with Sweden, or that I somehow wouldn't be happy about our very soon to be 200 years of peace. That's sort of deluded.

I defend your right to disdain anything that smells of America but am thoroughly bored by it and I'm not even American.

Am I bovvered? You can't seriously have thought my face was bovvered.

Pandora is not a typical radio station, it matches your preferences and introduces you to new artists you might never have heard of,

Oh, how cute, you seem to think that's unique.

it's a good idea and it's entirely free.

It isn't free. Ads are not free. Not allowing you to skip songs as you please isn't free. Not allowing you to choose a song or band directly isn't free. And so on...

Except for the fact that they live here

that's an excuse?

Except for the fact that they live here.

Which somehow means computers abroad cannot be operated by them?

I am aware of no insurmountable impediment for you to simply conceal your IP, but that isn't stopping your bitching, is it?

Neither does anything seem to ever make you read the threads you participate in, hence your typically superfluous posts such as that one.

You seem to think this has something to do with Sweden, or that I somehow wouldn't be happy about our very soon to be 200 years of peace. That's sort of deluded.

200 years of peace because no one can be bothered with your country

Am I bovvered? You can't seriously have thought my face was bovvered.

I really don't think you are, nor do I really care myself but you seem quite intelligent. I do hate to see that go to waste with such a blind spot

Oh, how cute, you seem to think that's unique.

The only reason you hate it is because it's American - I can't think of a more extensive project like this

It isn't free. Ads are not free. Not allowing you to skip songs as you please isn't free. Not allowing you to choose a song or band directly isn't free. And so on...

You don't pay for it, it's free

200 years of peace because no one can be bothered with your country


Well, maybe that's because 99% of the world's population is as stupid as you.

that's an excuse?
No, but, then, why should they need an "excuse?" You use excuses for when you've done something wrong, and the owners of Pandora choosing to keep their servers within their home country so that they can keep an eye on their project/business isn't wrong on any level.
Hell, they've even done Fass (and probably a few hundred other cranky Europeans/Canadians) a favor by giving him something to troll about.

And, Fass, I know your English skills are limited to those words with more than three syllables, but the word "free" isn't synonymous with "convenient" or "functional", it simply means that something is "without cost."

Well, maybe that's because 99% of the world's population is as stupid as you.

Great retort Oscar :rolleyes:

200 years of peace because no one can be bothered with your country

And we wouldn't have it any other way. :)

I really don't think you are, nor do I really care myself but you seem quite intelligent. I do hate to see that go to waste with such a blind spot

That's quite pathetic of you, to be frank, to take such an interest. Sad, also.

The only reason you hate it is because it's American - I can't think of a more extensive project like this

By "American" I assume you mean from the USA, but rest assured I neither "hate" it (how pathetic to hate shitty websites!) nor does its suckitude have anything to do with it being from the USA. Well, apart from of course their "licensing issues", but those just marginally augment the suckitude already there.

You don't pay for it, it's free

You don't pay for it with money, you pay for it by being a good consumerist lapdog.

Great retort Oscar :upyours: :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: As an unwitty, pointless and all around stupid post, I felt it did not merit an intelligent response.

'We needed the money'
A spokesman for the Swedish torrent tracker The Pirate Bay, has admitted on Swedish tv that their servers and broadband bandwidth were financed by Carl Lundström, one of the alleged sponsors of Swedish far-right political party Sweden Democrats. "We needed the money," spokesman Tobias Andersson told Bert Karlsson, a former politician and front figure of the New Democracy (Ny Demokrati) party.?

Link (http://www.garfnet.org.uk/joomla/component/option,com_newsfeeds/task,view/feedid,102/Itemid,191/)

Yay The Pirate Bay!

Which somehow means computers abroad cannot be operated by them?
It means that it is easier and cheaper to do their work domestically, yes. And since you apparently feel that any efforts they partake in to raise revenue are inherently bad . . .
Neither does anything seem to ever make you read the threads you participate in, hence your typically superfluous posts such as that one.
And this whole thread isn't an unnecessary waste of time?

:rolleyes: As an unwitty, pointless and all around stupid post, I felt it did not merit an intelligent response.

True apologies for the 'Up Yours' - I hit the wrong button and have edited

Not since I got her to open that box..

her box rather... I hope you didn't read this...

:D

And, Fass, I know your English skills are limited to those words with more than three syllables, but the word "free" isn't synonymous with "convenient" or "functional", it simply means that something is "without cost."

You're talking about "gratis" and not "free", which has far more meaning than just "without recompense", especially when it comes to the technology sector and usability. Oh, there I am again with my limited English skill somehow bettering yours again. When will I learn the futility thereof?

Link (http://www.garfnet.org.uk/joomla/component/option,com_newsfeeds/task,view/feedid,102/Itemid,191/)

Yay The Pirate Bay!

A shady site backed by shady people? Get outta town!

And we wouldn't have it any other way. :)

That's true - nor would we :)

That's quite pathetic of you, to be frank, to take such an interest. Sad, also.

Apologies for thinking you're intelligent then

By "American" I assume you mean from the USA, but rest assured I neither "hate" it (how pathetic to hate shitty websites!) nor does its suckitude have anything to do with it being from the USA. Well, apart from of course their "licensing issues", but those just marginally augment the suckitude already there.

No, you do 'hate' it because it's American (and yes, I mean from the USA or I'd have written otherwise, it's called convention

Your own quote...

Why, when I have sites like the Pirate Bay? Why, when I've non-US radio sites to listen to?


You don't pay for it with money, you pay for it by being a good consumerist lapdog.

I am rewarded without paying a dime thanks

A shady Swedish site backed by shady Swedish people? Get outta town!

Fixed :)

It means that it is easier and cheaper to do their work domestically, yes.

Actually, no, seeing as there are plenty of countries where both bandwidth and hardware and labour are cheaper, not to mention that ssh:ing (or whatever) from New York or New Delhi makes no difference.

And this whole thread isn't an unnecessary waste of time?

This whole forum isn't? I started neither, but maybe you didn't read that either.

True apologies for the 'Up Yours' - I hit the wrong button and have edited

Fair enough, apologies for the cheap, truely pathetic shot.

Fixed :)

A Swedish site ran by Swedes? Oh, dear, you really are making exposes tonight. It's almost like reading the NY Times.

A Swedish site ran by Swedes? Oh, dear, you really are making exposes tonight. It's almost like reading the NY Times.

Except the NY Times is mostly made up

Point is, you can hardly blame Pandora for trying to stay legal when your own preferred site is both illegal as well as financed by some questionable backers.

:D

*bows*
Thank you, thank you.

I'm not here all night.

That's true - nor would we :)

So your problem is?

Apologies for thinking you're intelligent then

What you really need to apologise to yourself for is thinking I'd be bovvered that you thought so or not. It's so woebegone.

No, you do 'hate' it because it's American (and yes, I mean from the USA or I'd have written otherwise,

Nope, Carnac, that didn't convince me as to my motives. New envelope, perchance?

it's called convention

It's called inaccuracy.

Your own quote...

Yes, my quote. So? As I wrote: shady site ran by shady people! You don't say! :O

I am rewarded without paying a dime thanks

I still pay less than you, so no sweat off my back.

No, the problem here is that US law leaves them liable. They could easily relocate to a country where they wouldn't be. They choose not to.

This is not the case. Go read (http://blog.pandora.com/pandora/archives/2007/05/breaking_pandor.html) what they wrote.

While the DMCA provides us a blanket license in the U.S., there is no equivalent in other countries.

So much for that, eh? But, of course, that doesn't fit the worldview in which America and Americans are out to get the poor, defenseless Europeans by covering their legal asses to prevent being shut down.

Discrimination, and this is per the definition of the word discrimination on the basis of nationality. Illegal in certain places, though not in the US.

Well, actually, it is. It has been for quite some time. But, that would mean actually, you know, understanding the country you like to bitch about, so I'll try not to ask too much of you.

Moreover, it isn't Discrimination, or Discrimination, because they aren't denying you access to the service because of your nationality, they're denying you access to the service because they laws of your nation do not allow them to provide you with service.

You're talking about "gratis" and not "free", which has far more meaning than just "without recompense", especially when it comes to the technology sector and usability.
Yes, free can also mean "liberated", "not held down by obligation", "liberal" and all sorts of other things that have nothing to do with the way it is being used here, which is as a synonym for "gratis."
Oh, there I am again with my limited English skill somehow bettering yours again. When will I learn the futility thereof?
Oh, I fully respect your ability with absurdly long words, ridiculously cheap shots, and shamefully overt sarcasm. On the other hand, saying what you mean and making it meaningful seem to have been entirely outside the scope of your talents.
And, yes, like does recognize like.

Except the NY Times is mostly made up

I don't read papers from the USA for that very reason anyway, but that was the only one I could recall.

Point is, you can hardly blame Pandora for trying to stay legal

Yes I can.

when your own preferred site is both illegal as well as financed by some questionable backers.

Here's where this thing called "logic" comes into play. If I had demanded that sites be "legal" in their idiotic home jurisdictions, then I could not blame Pandora for trying to stay that way. Since I haven't though, and have indeed encouraged circumvention of legality, I can very well blame them for it.

So your problem is?

It's more a question of what's your problem? - my feeling is it's Swedish inferiority complex, so oft encountered before - as per my first point and I guess, really, I don't care too much but it tires me to see that nearly every post you make is powered by your dislike of America.

What you really need to apologise to yourself for is thinking I'd be bovvered that you thought so or not. It's so woebegone.

I really don't think that you'd be 'bovvered' - you've shown time and time again that you're not.

Nope, Carnac, that didn't convince me as to my motives. New envelope, perchance?

Are you quoting me a character from an American show?

It's called inaccuracy.

No, it would be inaccurate to call Canadians or Brazilians 'American', not Americans - it's the United States of America - Americans

Yes, my quote. So? As I wrote: shady site ran by shady people! You don't say! :O

Wrong quote - it's where you state 'non-US sites' - apologies if not clearly written enough.

I still pay less than you, so no sweat off my back.

Yes, thanks to the far-right - sleep well

This is not the case. Go read (http://blog.pandora.com/pandora/archives/2007/05/breaking_pandor.html) what they wrote.

And what they write isn't that they are subject to European law. They are subject to USA's laws.

So much for that, eh? But, of course, that doesn't fit the worldview in which America and Americans are out to get the poor, defenseless Europeans by covering their legal asses to prevent being shut down.

How could European law shut down a site in the USA? Oh, dear, that seems to be the entire crux of the matter, that you don't understand that it is the USA's law that could shut it down, not Swedish or European law.

Well, actually, it is. It has been for quite some time. But, that would mean actually, you know, understanding the country you like to bitch about, so I'll try not to ask too much of you.

Nope, it isn't illegal in the USA. See: Guantanamo.

Moreover, it isn't Discrimination, or Discrimination, because they aren't denying you access to the service because of your nationality, they're denying you access to the service because they laws of your nation do not allow them to provide you with service.

And that's where you become even more nonsensical. Nothing about Pandora is illegal in Sweden; in fact, I've used foreign services similar to it and none have ever been held liable. For you see, they can't be held liable. In the USA, they can. So this is indeed a USA problem, and they are indeed discriminating on me on the basis of nationality, as there is no Swedish law that prohibits them from offering their service to me.

Oh, did I mention that nothing about Pandora is illegal in Sweden and that Pandora is not subject to Swedish law in the first place? So, explain to me, then, why Pandora has to fear Swedish law. Go on, cite it to me.

No, it would be inaccurate to call Canadians or Brazilians 'American'

Last time I checked both Canada and Brazil are in a contenent refered to as America.

No, it would be inaccurate to call Canadians or Brazilians 'American', not Americans - it's the United States of America - Americans
Piss off, I'm an American, just like Fass is European, Kim Jong-Il is Asian, and Nelson Mandela is near. You don't own the whole fucking continent, and luckily Manifest Destiny doesn't seem to be a pressing issue anymore.

Piss off, I'm an American, just like Fass is European, Kim Jong-Il is Asian, and Nelson Mandela is near. You don't own the whole fucking continent, and luckily Manifest Destiny doesn't seem to be a pressing issue anymore.

No, you piss off. It's up to a group of people to determine what they want to be called, and we say we want to be called Americans. It's not up to OTHER people to decide what you are called, otherwise we'd have the Faggot Rights movement, and god knows what else.

Last time I checked both Canada and Brazil are in a contenent refered to as America.

Er... but.. what?
Don't we make up those names by country?
Such as people from Canada are Canadians, and people from Brazil are Brazilians, and people from Mehico are Mehicans?

So wouldn't people from the United States of America be Americans???

No, you piss off. It's up to a group of people to determine what they want to be called, and we say we want to be called Americans. It's not up to OTHER people to decide what you are called, otherwise we'd have the Faggot Rights movement, and god knows what else.

Doesn't mean that it is inaccurate to describe other people who fall under that category as such.

Er... but.. what?
Don't we make up those names by country?
Such as people from Canada are Canadians, and people from Brazil are Brazilians, and people from Mehico are Mehicans?

So wouldn't people from the United States of America be Americans???

You can identify people by things other then their nationalities.

You can identify people by things other then their nationalities.

Well, if you go by that, we get all sorts o' chaos and misdemeanors..

Lets just call me an Environmentalist then, I have no nation but the Earth, and under its atmosphere do I Labor.

See, now it is so hard to classify me.

For goodness sake, we identify people by nationality when talking about nations because it is easier than identifying them by toe durability!

Piss off, I'm an American, just like Fass is European, Kim Jong-Il is Asian, and Nelson Mandela is near. You don't own the whole fucking continent, and luckily Manifest Destiny doesn't seem to be a pressing issue anymore.

I'm not American, though that's beside the point.

Please enjoy visiting Canada and Brazil and referring to them as Americans - while technically correct to the pedant, we call Americans...ammm... Americans.

Well, if you go by that, we get all sorts o' chaos and misdemeanors..

Lets just call me an Environmentalist then, I have no nation but the Earth, and under its atmosphere do I Labor.


You are then an Earthling, which is accurate however vague.

You are then an Earthling, which is accurate however vague.

You are a Milky Galaxian.

It's more a question of what's your problem? - my feeling is it's Swedish inferiority complex, so oft encountered before - as per my first point and I guess, really, I don't care too much but it tires me to see that nearly every post you make is powered by your dislike of America.

And all you seem to have is a persecution complex, and that really isn't my problem. Nor does it affect my arguments in the least that you air it.

I really don't think that you'd be 'bovvered' - you've shown time and time again that you're not.

Yet you then partake in the futility of telling it to me? Aww, seems like you did hope down, deep inside it would wound me so. *pats*

Are you quoting me a character from an American show?

From a USA show, yes. Had you been French, I probably would have quoted a French show. It's called "making references to the cultural context of one's interlocutor". I know people from the USA are bad at it, seeing as they are in general only capable of quoting their own cultural context no matter that of the interlocutor, but this is how one converses across national boundaries, you see. One makes allusions to Ibsen with Norwegians, Voltaire with the French, Johnny Carson with those from the USA...

No, it would be inaccurate to call Canadians or Brazilians 'American',

Seeing as they're from the Americas, there is no inaccuracy.

not Americans - it's the United States of America - Americans

Yes, we know the country chose a very presumptuous name for itself. Still doesn't make them the only "Americans". All it makes them is "US Americans" or somesuch as they lack a proper adjective for themselves that isn't already taken.

Wrong quote - it's where you state 'non-US sites' - apologies if not clearly written enough.

So?

Yes, thanks to the far-right - sleep well

Yes, I'll sleep as well as I slept on all the money we made from selling ore to Hitler. :)

You are a Milky Galaxian.

I'm glad you agree with me.

You are then an Earthling, which is accurate however vague.

Exactly, but when talking about politics, or anything else for that matter, classifying everyone as an Earthling instead of their 'splinter group' only makes everyone realize how similar we all are, that racial/economic/religious barriers block us from the truth and that we must work for the greater good. It makes everyone realize that we are all on this Earth, and that peace is beneficial for all.

Who wants that, eh?

Of course, to the OP - I did listen to it regularly, I had one station, which I had been refining for a long time - it was: Moloko

I'm annoyed I've lost it.

Exactly, but when talking about politics, or anything else for that matter, classifying everyone as an Earthling instead of their 'splinter group' only makes everyone realize how similar we all are, that racial/economic/religious barriers block us from the truth and that we must work for the greater good. It makes everyone realize that we are all on this Earth, and that peace is beneficial for all.

Who wants that, eh?

Me.

And what they write isn't that they are subject to European law. They are subject to USA's laws.

When operating in another country, they are also subject to that country's laws.


How could European law shut down a site in the USA? Oh, dear, that seems to be the entire crux of the matter, that you don't understand that it is the USA's law that could shut it down, not Swedish or European law.

By leveling lawsuits against that site. Pandora does not have a huge profit margin, and a major lawsuit could end their business.

Nope, it isn't illegal in the USA. See: Guantanamo.

And? GITMO is illegal too, it's just that Shrubya has run roughshod over American law for the last 6 years.

Oh, did I mention that nothing about Pandora is illegal in Sweden and that Pandora is not subject to Swedish law in the first place? So, explain to me, then, why Pandora has to fear Swedish law. Go on, cite it to me.

If you'd actually read the fucking link, and if you weren't being purposefully obtuse, I think the answer would be apparent to you. Pandora has no problems with American law, they clearly state that they do not feel that their operation would be protected under the law of any country but the U.S. or Canada.

The sheer egotism required to act as though this is discrimination, and not merely a company playing it safe is so utterly and completely immense that only you and, perhaps, a rabid conspiracy theorist could possibly beleive it.

Me.

Don't get all Mahatma on me now.

Wow this thread is off topic...

And no, I don't use Pandora. I have never heard of it until today.

It looks good though...

*snip*

For the 3rd time, I'm not American.

You seem to be slightly 'bovvered' as you're replying to all the posts, though I see your meaning of 'bovvered' is - upset, not 'bothered'. Fair enough.

Quote: Barringtonia
Wrong quote - it's where you state 'non-US sites' - apologies if not clearly written enough.

Fassigen: So?

The point of this was that you said it was nothing to do with Pandora being American, but from your own quote, it clearly was.

So finally, to take a biblical quote (and I'm not religious, much like I'm not American) - "Vain pretender! take the beam out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly to take the splinter out of your brother's eye"

When operating in another country, they are also subject to that country's laws.

So, you're claiming that websites are subject to the laws of the nation whence the people who read them come? So, then, why isn't NS General subject to Chinese law? Just the other day, I saw someone speaking ill of Mao. Why is the site still up? Where are the commie overlords that are supposed to have shut it down?

By leveling lawsuits against that site. Pandora does not have a huge profit margin, and a major lawsuit could end their business.

And what would permit such a lawsuit? US law. No other law. US law. There are countries where such a lawsuit would not be permitted. So, this is a USA law problem. They are liable not because of any other country's laws, but only that of the USA.

And? GITMO is illegal too, it's just that Shrubya has run roughshod over American law for the last 6 years.

The Supreme Court if the USA disagrees with you so far, what with them allowing it to go on. And they, you see, know more about USA law than you do.

If you'd actually read the fucking link, and if you weren't being purposefully obtuse, I think the answer would be apparent to you. Pandora has no problems with American law, they clearly state that they do not feel that their operation would be protected under the law of any country but the U.S. or Canada.

And as a website they are not subject to the law of any other country but the one they are based in, making their claims (or, well, rather your interpretation of them) bullshit. If they had bases in, say, Belgium, that would be a different matter, but they don't.

The sheer egotism required to act as though this is discrimination, and not merely a company playing it safe is so utterly and completely immense that only you and, perhaps, a rabid conspiracy theorist could possibly beleive it.

Again: nothing about Pandora is illegal in Sweden. No Swedish law prevents them from offering me the service. Yet they refuse on no other basis than that I am Swedish. That's discrimination, plain and simple.

Again: nothing about Pandora is illegal in Sweden. No Swedish law prevents them from offering me the service. Yet they refuse on no other basis than that I am Swedish. That's discrimination, plain and simple.

I kind of see where you are coming from, if what you claim is true.

Maybe they just can't handle the extra amount of people they would get, since they only allow people from the U.S and Canada to access the site right now, I assume.

But on the other hand: o noez... u wunt git nun muzakz!!

Do you honestly care or is it the principle of the crux of the issue?

For the 3rd time, I'm not American.

Are you from some other continent then? Which one?

You seem to be slightly 'bovvered' as you're replying to all the posts, though I see your meaning of 'bovvered' is - upset, not 'bothered'. Fair enough.

Ah, I see. You confuse my mocking you as being bovvered by you. *pats some more*

The point of this was that you said it was nothing to do with Pandora being American, but from your own quote, it clearly was.

That was in the context of a USA site not wanting to service me, I was pointing out that are plenty of other sites in this global network that do. See what a little context makes? I guess you don't.

So finally, to take a biblical quote (and I'm not religious, much like I'm not American) - "Vain pretender! take the beam out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly to take the splinter out of your brother's eye"

Much like I doubt from your inability to head context that you've read this thread, I doubt you've read the Bible, but there it is again, you thinking such an irrelevance as it would have a sway on me.

So, you're claiming that websites are subject to the laws of the nation whence the people who read them come? So, then, why isn't NS General subject to Chinese law? Just the other day, I saw someone speaking ill of Mao. Why is the site still up? Where are the commie overlords that are supposed to have shut it down?

A business operating in many countries is subject to the laws of that country, while it is in that country. While the website may be "American", any business done outside of the nation might not be protected.

And what would permit such a lawsuit? US law. No other law. US law. There are countries where such a lawsuit would not be permitted. So, this is a USA law problem. They are liable not because of any other country's laws, but only that of the USA.

They do not say that. They say otherwise. You are spewing shit that you know nothing about. They are experts in their field. Forgive me if I take them more seriously than you.

The Supreme Court if the USA disagrees with you so far, what with them allowing it to go on. And they, you see, know more about USA law than you do.

The Supreme Court dodged having to make a ruling on the subject by handing the issue off to the Congress again. That is not the same as saying that GITMO is legal. Either way, the Supreme Court is political, as well as legal body, and it is subject to political forces, specifically, the influence of the Bush Admin, which has apointed 2 members of the court, one of whom is the Chief Justice.

Again: nothing about Pandora is illegal in Sweden. No Swedish law prevents them from offering me the service. Yet they refuse on no other basis than that I am Swedish. That's discrimination, plain and simple.

They, who are experts on the legal issues that face them, are more aware of what legal challenges they may or may not face. You, who have no expertise in the field are not. You are making a mountain out of a molehill in the name of having another reason to whine.

Fassigen, I demand you reply to my previous post with your cutting sarcasm and honed wit.

I kind of see where you are coming from, if what you claim is true.

Maybe they just can't handle the extra amount of people they would get, since they only allow people from the U.S and Canada to access the site right now, I assume.

But on the other hand: o noez... u wunt git nun muzakz!!

Do you honestly care or is it the principle of the crux of the issue?

It's not discrimination - the reason they've shut down the site anywhere outside of America is because Internet radio will have to pay licensing fees that are quadruple those of traditional radio, simply for protectionist measures by said traditional radio, because Internet radio can be heard around the world (much like traditional radio actually).

It's due to a pathetic protectionist move upheld by a stupid court that has pandered to lobbying by the entrenched media.

I kind of see where you are coming from, if what you claim is true.

I've demanded that he cite me the pertinent Swedish law that he claims exists. He isn't able to, for the natural reason that it doesn't exist.

Do you honestly care or is it the principle of the crux of the issue?

I really don't care, since I didn't use Pandora before and wouldn't in the future. The point is that falsities are being claimed - that USA's law isn't to blame, which it most certainly is.

Are you from some other continent then? Which one?

I'm English, where the food is 'mumsfilibaba' :)

Ah, I see. You confuse my mocking you as being bovvered by you. *pats some more*

You're mocking me? I don't feel mocked

That was in the context of a USA site not wanting to service me, I was pointing out that are plenty of other sites in this global network that do. See what a little context makes? I guess you don't.

Your dislike stems from your overt anti-US feelings, context schmontext - it's not that the site 'doesn't want to service you', it's that it can be sued in America for servicing you as it does not want to pay the associated, and unfair, licensing fees

Much like I doubt from your inability to head context that you've read this thread, I doubt you've read the Bible, but there it is again, you thinking such an irrelevance as it would have a sway on me.

Your own inability to read this thread has led to your continued thinking that I'm American - does it matter whether I've read the Bible, who are you to presume what I've done? I tend to find this type of point is indicative of a lost cause.

Again, I doubt you're bothered and really, I'm not trying to rile you, it's more that I'm bothered by your inability to have a point of view that doesn't stem from anti-USA feelings - it demeans your intelligence, which you clearly have and, yes, I find that sad

@Barringtonia: I see...

@Fassigen: I understand, but just because he can't find it does not mean it doesn't exist. He might just not have an extensive Swedish Law Library in his back pocket. USA law might be to blame.


I am retreating from this thread before it renders me incapable of finishing my term paper.

Fass, quit ranting and just get a frickin' proxy to change your IP address so it's in the US.

Not any more I don't. Evil whoever made them check IPs.

Last.fm instead

Last.fm instead

Indeed.

I used Pandora when I was back home, but as was mentioned earlier people with European IP addresses can't use it. Also, I don't have much time online at the moment, so I'm not that concerned.

For the record, Pandora's policy that blocks non North American IP addresses is made entirely out of phail.

Used to, but now they closed for people using connections outside the U.S. and Britian.

you mean there's people outside the U.S. ? How amazing...

No. I don't like random music that is supposedly similar to the type of music played by the band I like.

For the record, Pandora's policy that blocks non North American IP addresses is made entirely out of phail.
iTunes pulls the same shit. Record companies don't want countries having any way to access music not available in their country.

Fass, quit ranting and just get a frickin' proxy to change your IP address so it's in the US.

Or he could stop whining that he can't use a service he's proclaimed he wouldn't use anyway.

Guess Pandora is Fass' little daily offended by item.

iTunes pulls the same shit. Record companies don't want countries having any way to access music not available in their country.

They are also made of phail. Either way, I'll be back in the US in about a month, if I feel the need to use Pandora or iTunes.

I might, but I have no idea what it is and they won't let me in on account of my non-Americanism.

Or he could stop whining that he can't use a service he's proclaimed he wouldn't use anyway.

Guess Pandora is Fass' little daily offended by item.

He's not whining about the fact that he can't use the service, he doesn't care to use the service - his point was that it's nothing to do with Sweden that he can't use the service. He's more than happy to use another service that isn't bound by US laws.