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I appear to be the odd one out. I'm white but I don't go for Asian girls. However, lots of my friends, who are also white, really, really, really like Asian girls. I can't see what's so alluring myself, but hey, it takes all kinds to make a world.

There's a really great funny short on this subject called 'yellow fever' by wongfu productions. You can get it at the wong fu website http://www.wongfuproductions.com/YellowFever.html or you can find it by searching for Yellow Fever on Youtube.

Anywho - what do you think?

Why do white guys go for asian girls? AND why do Asian girls go for white guys?

Answers on posts please

Do they?

Why do white guys go for Hispanic girls?
Why do white guys go for black girls?
Why do white guys go for Native American girls?
Why do white guys go for blonde girls?
Why do white guys go for brunette girls?
Why do white guys go for red-haired girls?

Why do black guys go for Hispanic girls?
Why do black guys go for black girls?
Why do black guys go for Native American girls?
Why do black guys go for blonde girls?
Why do black guys go for brunette girls?
Why do black guys go for red-haired girls?

Why do Asian guys go for Hispanic girls..... et cetera, ad nauseum.....


Answer: BECAUSE THEY ARE GIRLS! (and these guys you are talking about are attracted to girls)
Next question?

Nonsense!

What bruise? Oh, no, I, er, fell, and hit my neck.

On a short Asian girl.

Also, I don't know, maybe it has to do with genetic variation, like good-looking women often being bizarrely drawn to ugly blokes.

But, then again, I have absolutely no evidence with which to back that up. Ho hum.

Do they?

Why do white guys go for Hispanic girls?
Why do white guys go for black girls?
Why do white guys go for Native American girls?
Why do white guys go for blonde girls?
Why do white guys go for brunette girls?
Why do white guys go for red-haired girls?

Why do black guys go for Hispanic girls?
Why do black guys go for black girls?
Why do black guys go for Native American girls?
Why do black guys go for blonde girls?
Why do black guys go for brunette girls?
Why do black guys go for red-haired girls?

Why do Asian guys go for Hispanic girls..... et cetera, ad nauseum.....


Answer: BECAUSE THEY ARE GIRLS! (and these guys you are talking about are attracted to girls)



Yep.

The same reason they go for any other girl. Because they're sexually attracted to them.




Duh :rolleyes:

sex

same reasons the black guys are like "Hey, where the white women at?"

Why Asian females particularly? Prolly has something to do with the grace and poise they seem to almost always have, and those lovely little facial features of their's.

Why Black? They often have such nice curvy bodies....

Why Latin? Hheheheh... date one and find out... especially Portugese descent!

Why women in general? Human nature man, human nature...

To be honest though, as attractive as I may find someone's looks I much prefer a girl with personality. The kind with so much personality they can't contain it all in a small frame... they make the rockin' world go 'round!

“Hey, where the white women at?”
I love that film.

And yeah, it’s teh sex.

Purely cultural reasons. The media (porn mostly) tells men that asian women are more sexually desirable, playing up stereotypes such as them being "exotic" and/or "submissive". This becomes a self fulfilling prophecy; the more pornography that fulfills this fantasy the more men think they want it to be fulfilled.

I agree with the previous questionaire.
Since I own no Harley Davidson, I can always claim the asian girl came with my motorcycle, if somebody should frown, so I need not worry about those racist people and can pick GFs according to a spontanous gutt decission.

I must admit I love oriental women...went out with a japanese exchange student for a year...she was so cool...dressed like a manga character...loved weird japanese punk music...and her name was Dome

when we first met I asked her her name and she said Dome...I said ok...but whats your name first haha...true story

she was cute...I could put her in my poket she was that small...and she told me that the reason she liked western men was because japanese guys had small penises...4 inches when erect on average!

It was a real status symbol for her parents when she was seeing me too...we are called gai-jin over there or white ghosts...and because most westerners are affluent in japan...they relate us to wealth

To be honest though, as attractive as I may find someone's looks I much prefer a girl with personality. The kind with so much personality they can't contain it all in a small frame... they make the rockin' world go 'round!

-begins whistling "Fat-Bottomed Girls"-

It was a real status symbol for her parents when she was seeing me too...we are called gai-jin over there or white ghosts...and because most westerners are affluent in japan...they relate us to wealth

I hate to break it to you... but gai-jin has been used as something closer to barbarian... as in uncivilized.

I hate to break it to you... but gai-jin means something closer to barbarian... as in uncivilized.

no, the word just means "foreigner". In former times Europeans were referred to as barbarians but not anymore.

I hate to break it to you... but gai-jin has been used as something closer to barbarian... as in uncivilized.

its more like devil actually...as a rough translation...but thats not a bad thing ;)

I hate to break it to you... but gai-jin has been used as something closer to barbarian... as in uncivilized.

IIRC, it just means "person from outside". As in, either gai or jin means person, and the other one means outside.

its more like devil actually...as a rough translation...but thats not a bad thing ;)

wrong again... You're probably thinking of the Cantonese term gweilo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gweilo)?

no, the word just means "foreigner". In former times Europeans were referred to as barbarians but not anymore.

I editted it when I realized it sounded like I meant "Derr I think it means barbarian"

It was a real status symbol for her parents when she was seeing me too...we are called gai-jin over there or white ghosts...and because most westerners are affluent in japan...they relate us to wealth
Yeah, gaijin is not a status symbol term..

no, the word just means "foreigner". In former times Europeans were referred to as barbarians but not anymore.
Oh, of course not technically, but that's what they mean.

Wikipedia says:

Gaijin (外人, Gaijin? IPA: [ˈgaɪdʑin]) or gaikokujin (外国人, gaikokujin?) are Japanese words meaning "foreigner." The words can refer to nationality or ethnicity. The word is often the subject of debate as to its appropriateness, particularly in its shortened form. The word gaikokujin (外国人) is composed of gaikoku (外国, foreign country) and hito/jin (人, person), so the word literally means "foreign person." Gaijin (外人) is a common abbreviation of gaikokujin.

http://www.the-manifest.org/blog/zhang_ziyi_hero.jpg

This is why. Next question! :p

Do they?

Why do white guys go for Hispanic girls?
Why do white guys go for black girls?
Why do white guys go for Native American girls?
Why do white guys go for blonde girls?
Why do white guys go for brunette girls?
Why do white guys go for red-haired girls?

Why do black guys go for Hispanic girls?
Why do black guys go for black girls?
Why do black guys go for Native American girls?
Why do black guys go for blonde girls?
Why do black guys go for brunette girls?
Why do black guys go for red-haired girls?

Why do Asian guys go for Hispanic girls..... et cetera, ad nauseum.....


Answer: BECAUSE THEY ARE GIRLS! (and these guys you are talking about are attracted to girls)
Next question?

Yay, I like you. You win the gold prize.


*sniff* Too bad, I lost the golden prize :(

wrong again... You're probably thinking of the Cantonese term gweilo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gweilo)?

you're right...sorry...as you can see I didn't learn much japanese when I was dating her...only thing I really picked up was chinchin which means penis apparently...funny seeing as us brits use the word as a toast haha :cool:

Femininity. That, and spatulas *Nods*


Uh...

*Flees before being called "Forum Flirt" again*

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Mmm, yes, Zhang Ziyi is a very pretty lady.

Femininity. That, and spatulas *Nods*


Uh...

*Flees before being called "Forum Flirt" again*

ill bloody spatula you on your backside in a minute!! ;)

To answer the opening question: because they are hot, nuff said.

Why do white guys like Asian girls?
Why do white guys like black girls?
Why do white guys like Hispanic girls?
Why do white guys like Native American girls?
Why do white guys like white girls?

BECAUSE THEY'RE GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I have a question for you. What if some of those white guys are gay? Do they like Asian guys only, or do they like Asian girls too? ;)

this was meant as a joke at the OP's expense. I know that gay white guys wouldn't care about Asian girls...

To answer the opening question: because they are hot, nuff said.

:rolleyes: you only think they're "hot" because you've been told to think that. If popular culture had instead focused on the inherent beauty of, say, Australian aboriginal women, you'd say the exact same thing about them.

Femininity. That, and spatulas *Nods*


Uh...

*Flees before being called "Forum Flirt" again*

*catches up with gravlen and whacks him with a spatula* :p

:rolleyes: you only think they're "hot" because you've been told to think that. If popular culture had instead focused on the inherent beauty of, say, Australian aboriginal women, you'd say the exact same thing about them.
Bah, nonsense. Heresy!

:rolleyes: you only think they're "hot" because you've been told to think that. If popular culture had instead focused on the inherent beauty of, say, Australian aboriginal women, you'd say the exact same thing about them.

its a generalisation to say x loves y and a loves b...everyone has different tastes...to say that everyone loves oriental women is daft...some men might find aboriginal women really hot...there might be websites dedicated to aboriginal love...different strokes for different folks :)

One word. POONTANG!

*catches up with gravlen and whacks him with a spatula* :p

isn't grav a woman? :confused:

:rolleyes: you only think they're "hot" because you've been told to think that. If popular culture had instead focused on the inherent beauty of, say, Australian aboriginal women, you'd say the exact same thing about them.

I don't remember anyone ever telling me to think that asian girls are hot.

I don't remember anyone ever telling me to think that asian girls are hot.They are called "asian Babes" in thr UK. Connie Huq from "Blue Peter" comes to mind!

I don't remember anyone ever telling me to think that asian girls are hot.

I don't remember anyone ever telling me to speak English, yet I do.

:rolleyes: you only think they're "hot" because you've been told to think that. If popular culture had instead focused on the inherent beauty of, say, Australian aboriginal women, you'd say the exact same thing about them.

I'm inclined to doubt that. Do you have any evidence to back it up? I certainly don't remember being bombarded with such information, nor being aware of any particular attraction to Asian girls, until I got to Melbourne, and found myself thinking, "Hrrm, everyone's pretty, today. Wait a minute... Little Bourke Street? Waaait a minute, everyone's Asian..."

I'm also inclined to think that maybe you've seen a lot more porn than I have, and particularly a lot more featuring Asian women, or perhaps you wouldn't have this idea.

Could be wrong.

I don't remember anyone ever telling me to think that asian girls are hot.

Yeah, I mean, there is some evidence that the media affects what people find attractive, but not to the extent some people claim.

As for my opinion, I'd probably say that its because we don't live in Asia, so we don't see the ugly ones very often. Then again that's not necessarily true if one lives in a city...

I guess it's just the "exoticness" factor.

isn't grav a woman? :confused:
Nope. Gravlen is a mighty he-man womun hater
Little Rascals was on yesterday
I don't remember anyone ever telling me to speak English, yet I do.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

I don't remember anyone ever telling me to speak English, yet I do.
... what?

I don't remember anyone ever telling me to speak English, yet I do.

You only think they're "hot" because you've been told to think that

You seem to be tripping over your own logic, mate ;)

... what?

He normally speaks Basque with a Tibetan accent!

... what?

no-one has ever said to me "speak English!". Obviously, as a native speaker, I was taught it as a baby, but I was a baby at the time, so i don't really remember that. My point is culture happens insidiously. If you are immersed in a particular cultural trait, such as a language, or in this case an attitude to beauty, you subconciously adopt it. You don't have to conciously remember someone telling you to adopt that trait. It just happens.

You seem to be tripping over your own logic, mate ;)

ok fair enough. Replace the phrase "told to think" with "have been conditioned to think as a result of your surrounding culture" and you have what I meant.

Nope. Gravlen is a mighty he-man womun hater
Little Rascals was on yesterday.

holy shit...ive been flirting with a man...interesting haha...oh well...shit happens :cool:

I don’t remember anyone ever telling me to speak English, yet I do.
Well, luckily, sexual attraction isn’t wholly determined by socialisation. In the UK at least, we all speak English (sorta). Yet we don’t all have identical sexual desires or preferences.

I don't remember anyone ever telling me to speak English, yet I do.

Speak English!

Well, luckily, sexual attraction isn’t wholly determined by socialisation. In the UK at least, we all speak English (sorta). Yet we don’t all have identical sexual desires or preferences.

no, but certain movements in sexual preferences, or perhaps more accurately fetishes, do seem to be transmitted. Like in the example I gave originally, the most obvious vector for transmission is pornography. Perhaps originally there was a very small market of people who fetishised east asians, but as pornography catered to that need, more and more men assumed that they also had that need, thereby perpetuating the meme of east asian fetishisation.

I'm still not convinced that it's conditioning. Where I come from, eh, Asia... wait, hang on a second... East Asia is hardly on the radar. South Asia's a different story, but -again, I could be wrong- I had the impression that the OP was probably talking East Asia rather than the sub-continent, Central Asia, Middle East, or whatever else. Probably that assumption was coloured by my Friday night, though =)

Feck, I've forgotten my point.

no, but certain movements in sexual preferences, or perhaps more accurately fetishes, do seem to be transmitted. Like in the example I gave originally, the most obvious vector for transmission is pornography. Perhaps originally there was a very small market of people who fetishised east asians, but as pornography catered to that need, more and more men assumed that they also had that need, thereby perpetuating the meme of east asian fetishisation.

its hardly a fetish...more like a preference...some people like jam...some like marmalade...simple as that :p

... thereby perpetuating the meme of east asian fetishisation.
Well, the existence or not of memes is for another thread... but ‘east asian fetishisation’?

Why is being attracted to someone of Asian descent a fetish? Do I have ‘north american fetishisation’ just because I fancy Scarlett Johansen?

I'm still not convinced that it's conditioning. Where I come from, eh, Asia... wait, hang on a second... East Asia is hardly on the radar. South Asia's a different story, but -again, I could be wrong- I had the impression that the OP was probably talking East Asia rather than the sub-continent, Central Asia, Middle East, or whatever else. Probably that assumption was coloured by my Friday night, though =)

Feck, I've forgotten my point.

well surely that proves the point? different places have different memes of attraction. South Asians for Australian men, East Asians for the US. If it was absolute then you'd expect it to be the same wherever you go and whatever the culture.

decent

descent ;)

no, but certain movements in sexual preferences, or perhaps more accurately fetishes, do seem to be transmitted. Like in the example I gave originally, the most obvious vector for transmission is pornography. Perhaps originally there was a very small market of people who fetishised east asians, but as pornography catered to that need, more and more men assumed that they also had that need, thereby perpetuating the meme of east asian fetishisation.

Hrm. But there's all sorts of porn, eh? Doesn't this argument only hold-up if all similarly widespread fetishes saw similar explosion?

And this could easily be dismissed or given some weight if we could know whether the so-called, 'yellow fever' notion was widespread before porn became quite so pervasive, or before East Asian porn did, at least. Assuming that there was such a time.

Do I have ‘north american fetishisation’ just because I fancy Scarlett Johansen?

well there are degrees of fetishes, and the definition of such depends on how extreme it is and how socially acceptable it is in a given culture... so if you lived in Japan, you might very well count as a north american/european descent fetishist.

well surely that proves the point? different places have different memes of attraction. South Asians for Australian men, East Asians for the US. If it was absolute then you’d expect it to be the same wherever you go and whatever the culture.
‘Memes of attraction’?

Sheesh, Dawkins has a lot to answer for....

well there are degrees of fetishes, and the definition of such depends on how extreme it is and how socially acceptable it is in a given culture... so if you lived in Japan, you might very well count as a north american/european descent fetishist.
I'd posit that you'd simply be known as 'someone who is attracted to Caucasian women'.

I find curly hair rather appealing. I wouldn't say I have a curly hair fetish; I'm merely attracted to curly hair.

Hrm. But there's all sorts of porn, eh? Doesn't this argument only hold-up if all similarly widespread fetishes saw similar explosion?

They did. And thus the modern porn industry was created :p

And this could easily be dismissed or given some weight if we could know whether the so-called, 'yellow fever' notion was widespread before porn became quite so pervasive, or before East Asian porn did, at least. Assuming that there was such a time.

I'm sure it did. but it would still have spread for similar reasons, stereotypes of cultural or physical traits, like the idea that East Asian females are more "feminine" or "exotic", or that they are "submissive".

well surely that proves the point? different places have different memes of attraction. South Asians for Australian men, East Asians for the US. If it was absolute then you'd expect it to be the same wherever you go and whatever the culture.

But the thread asks why white guys go for Asian girls (we seem to be assuming East Asian), and it seems to be holding-up pretty well for European, American, Australian white guys, and Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese girls, and so forth.

well there are degrees of fetishes, and the definition of such depends on how extreme it is and how socially acceptable it is in a given culture... so if you lived in Japan, you might very well count as a north american/european descent fetishist.

absolute drivel...look up the word fetish in a dictionary for fucks sake...just because you like women of a certain race/look/style doesn't denote that you have a fetish...its personal choice...I like eating eggs...does that mean I have to wear a gimp mask when im cooking them in the morning?

Ive never heard such rubbish

absolute drivel...look up the word fetish in a dictionary for fucks sake...just because you like women of a certain race/look/style doesn't denote that you have a fetish...its personal choice...I like eating eggs...does that mean I have to wear a gimp mask when im cooking them in the morning?

Ive never heard such rubbish

You might want to check that definition yourself. Fetishes don't always have gimp masks.

Why Asian females particularly? Prolly has something to do with the grace and poise they seem to almost always have, and those lovely little facial features of their's.

Why Black? They often have such nice curvy bodies....

Why Latin? Hheheheh... date one and find out... especially Portugese descent!

Why women in general? Human nature man, human nature...

To be honest though, as attractive as I may find someone's looks I much prefer a girl with personality. The kind with so much personality they can't contain it all in a small frame... they make the rockin' world go 'round!

I addendom...

If it wasn't for hormones I have no idea why women would ever be attracted to us guys!

I dont like Asian girls. They are way to submissive and old fasioned for me. (I know some are not, but the majority are around here.)

Myself, I fancy Hispanic, Arab or Persian girls. Oooh.

You might want to check that definition yourself. Fetishes don't always have gimp masks.

no shit sherlock...I was being sarcastic :rolleyes:

no shit sherlock...I was being sarcastic :rolleyes:

Check the toilet Watson.

absolute drivel...look up the word fetish in a dictionary for fucks sake...just because you like women of a certain race/look/style doesn't denote that you have a fetish...its personal choice...I like eating eggs...does that mean I have to wear a gimp mask when im cooking them in the morning?

Ive never heard such rubbish

Exactly! in our culture "fetish" means gimp masks and so on... but if you actually asked someone who did wear such things why they did, they'd probably answer it's "personal choice" as well...

ok here's an example: there are several tribes in New Guinea where traditionally young boys were encouraged to fellate their elders and swallow their semen, in order to absorb their wisdom and strength. In this culture, what we would think of as a sick "fetish" surrounding young boys, aka pederasty, was not only accepted, it was the norm - they didn't even think of it as a kink/perversion at all!

I'm sure it did. but it would still have spread for similar reasons, stereotypes of cultural or physical traits, like the idea that East Asian females are more "feminine" or "exotic", or that they are "submissive".

Hm, I dunno, all the girls I've liked have been far from submissive, heh. To be honest, most of them haven't been Asian, but I have to admit that I've come close to giving myself whiplash since moving to a city with a notable East Asian population. Sigh. Again with forgetting my point. This thread is impossible =) I'm pretty sure that you have half a point... even if I'd be bored senseless by a girl who won't even argue back or something, I'll still be more likely to notice a girl the shorter she is, the darker her hair, the more obviously feminine in some way or another. [scratches head]

I kinda don't want to be able to rationalise this, though. Seems like it'd spoil something.

Check the toilet Watson.

elementary ;)

DATING: Why do white guys go for Asian girls?

to mix it up a little bit..

I addendom...

If it wasn't for hormones I have no idea why women would ever be attracted to us guys!

That is a great puzzle. Again, I really, really don't want it rationalised.

Side note, not related to that quote... Arabia and Persia aren't in Asia, now? Crikey.

Exactly! in our culture "fetish" means gimp masks and so on... but if you actually asked someone who did wear such things why they did, they'd probably answer it's "personal choice" as well...

ok here's an example: there's a tribe in New Guinea where traditionally young boys were encouraged to fellate their elders and swallow their semen, in order to absorb their wisdom. In this culture, what we would think of as a sick "fetish" surrounding young boys, aka pederasty, was not only accepted, it was the norm - they didn't even think of it as a kink/perversion at all!

then by what you argue everything we have a preference for is a fetish...

you must go down a storm at parties :rolleyes:

absolute drivel...look up the word fetish in a dictionary for fucks sake...just because you like women of a certain race/look/style doesn't denote that you have a fetish...its personal choice...I like eating eggs...does that mean I have to wear a gimp mask when im cooking them in the morning?

Ive never heard such rubbish

its not a fetish when its a person or even part of a person. a fetish is an outside object like a shoe.

for him to claim that having a thing for east asian girls is a fetish is to suggest that they are somehow not people.

while its probably more than a choice (ive decided to have a thing for blond men with big feet today) its no more of a psychological problem than a preference for tall girls. its just a preference.

Hey, hey, be nice, Mr.Manchester*. This isn't politics or religion (quite =) )!


*Sorry, I spent the first three months here being called that by my then-boss before I finally got around to shouting at him. I'm not a ruddy Manc! Heh, ugh, those were the days.

its not a fetish when its a person or even part of a person. a fetish is an outside object like a shoe.

for him to claim that having a thing for east asian girls is a fetish is to suggest that they are somehow not people.

ok I'll concede that I was going outside the dictionary definition there... But I do believe the psychological mechanisms involved in both are the same or similar. In a sense it is a result of turning women, or at least characteristics of women, into outside objects - they are defined as attractive not by their individualism, but by a property they have that is outside their personhood.

while its probably more than a choice (ive decided to have a thing for blond men with big feet today) its no more of a psychological problem than a preference for tall girls. its just a preference.

:confused: I never said it was a psychological problem.

ok I'll concede that I was going outside the dictionary definition there... But I do believe the psychological mechanisms involved in both are the same or similar. In a sense it is a result of turning women, or at least characteristics of women, into outside objects - they are defined as attractive not by their individualism, but by a property they have that is outside their personhood.

So, their appearance basically. We've determined that guy's interest in asian women is down to appearance. My this has been a productive discussion.

its not a fetish when its a person or even part of a person. a fetish is an outside object like a shoe.

for him to claim that having a thing for east asian girls is a fetish is to suggest that they are somehow not people.

while its probably more than a choice (ive decided to have a thing for blond men with big feet today) its no more of a psychological problem than a preference for tall girls. its just a preference.


the voice of reason in a maelstrom of madness...thank you...and my girl is 6ft 1ins...ive a fetish for giants and purchase 'The bean stalk lovers weekly' religiously ;)

So, their appearance basically. We've determined that guy's interest in asian women is down to appearance. My this has been a productive discussion.

I'm saying it's a result of a cultural value *placed* on a "racial"/"ethnic" category. And that doesn't have to be one that is obvious from actual physical appearance - "latinos" can be black, white, asian, native american, or anything inbetween, yet latino is still thought of as being a unified ethnic category in some parts of the world, and is also sometimes "fetished" by certain characteristics there.

ok I'll concede that I was going outside the dictionary definition there... But I do believe the psychological mechanisms involved in both are the same or similar. In a sense it is a result of turning women, or at least characteristics of women, into outside objects - they are defined as attractive not by their individualism, but by a property they have that is outside their personhood.


while it is possible to have a object attraction to the girl who attracts you, that is a whole different kind of problem than preferring a certain race/ethnicity.



:confused: I never said it was a psychological problem.

fetishism IS a psychological problem.

I’m saying it’s a result of a cultural value *placed* on a “racial”/“ethnic” category.
But a ‘cultural value’ only makes sense if every single person within that culture abides by the value. Otherwise, it’s merely something that happens to occur sporadically in certain sections of certain cultures.

I don’t think you could point to a ‘cultural value’ of sexual attraction to any racial stereotype, no matter what culture you inhabited.

Cultural relativism fails.

fetishism IS a psychological problem.

is it?

Most of the sexual orientations popularly called fetishism are regarded normal variations of human sexuality on behalf of psychologists and medics. Even those orientations that are potential forms of fetishism are usually considered unobjectionable as long as all involved persons feel comfortable.

Ok, sorry, I was using the popular definition then. I'm not saying these people have a problem.

FETISH

An object that is believed to have magical or spiritual powers, especially such an object associated with animistic or shamanistic religious practices.

An object of unreasonably excessive attention or reverence: made a fetish of punctuality.

Something, such as a material object or a nonsexual part of the body, that arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification.

An abnormally obsessive preoccupation or attachment; a fixation.


none of the above dictionary descriptions fit the reasoning you suggest...unless the subject has a fixation on asian women as opposed to just thinking that they are attractive then your arguement holds no weight at all im afraid

But a ‘cultural value’ only makes sense if every single person within that culture abides by the value.

not true. Cultures have different rules for different people, and allow for variation. However this variation is not infinite. Somethings are assumed to be universal, somethings are assumed to not be universal however are accepted (for example liking for a genre of music, or food), and somethings are assumed to not be universal and are not accepted (for example running around naked in public smearing faeces in peoples faces).

Well, I only know a couple white guys that are really into Asian girls. I think it's the stereotype that Asian girls are passive, adoring, and exotic. I think it appeals to guys who have low self-esteem.

Well, I only know a couple white guys that are really into Asian girls. I think it's the stereotype that Asian girls are passive, adoring, and exotic. I think it appeals to guys who have low self-esteem.

I think it's that Asian girls are hot. And they are exotic. Unless you live in Asia, where they are standard and white wimmin are exotic.

none of the above dictionary descriptions fit the reasoning you suggest..

As I've said before it is my opinion that the psychological traits that lead to fetishisation in that sense, of objects, are the same as those that lead to a focus on a particular ethnic category as being especially attractive.

unless the subject has a fixation on asian women as opposed to just thinking that they are attractive
I agree there's a difference between these two things, but where do you draw the line? Isn't singling out a particular ethnic/racial category as being associated with attractiveness a fixation?

Of course like any race...some girls are hot...some are pig ugly...

Isn't singling out a particular ethnic/racial category as being associated with attractiveness a fixation?
That would make a shit load of people are racial fetishists. Therapists of the world rejoice.

while its probably more than a choice (ive decided to have a thing for blond men with big feet today) its no more of a psychological problem than a preference for tall girls. its just a preference.

I wear size 14 shoes and can dye my hair blond?

is it?


yeah. when you can only get it up to fuck a shoe and are indifferent to people, its a problem.

That would make a shit load of people are racial fetishists.

yes.

Therapists of the world rejoice.

Only if it's a problem to their day to day lives should they seek therapy.

not true. Cultures have different rules for different people, and allow for variation.
Well, that totally refutes any case for cultural values then.

If a value is not shared by an entire culture, how can it be called a ‘cultural value’?

However this variation is not infinite. Somethings are assumed to be universal, somethings are assumed to not be universal however are accepted (for example liking for a genre of music, or food), and somethings are assumed to not be universal and are not accepted (for example running around naked in public smearing faeces in peoples faces).
None of the above suggest any form of cultural value.

The vast majority of people do not want to be smeared with faeces. However, some may do. If there were such things as ‘cultural values’ then they would, by definition, be followed to the letter by every single member of that culture.

It’s the myth of cultural relativism; life, and society, just doesn’t work like that.

yeah. when you can only get it up to fuck a shoe and are indifferent to people, its a problem.
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Ok, sorry, I was using the popular definition then. I'm not saying these people have a problem.

I agree there's a difference between these two things, but where do you draw the line? Isn't singling out a particular ethnic/racial category as being associated with attractiveness a fixation?

men like women...fact

I like oriental women...I find them asthetically pleasing...

My girlfriend is white...she is about as asthetically pleasing as you can get...

I've been out with many races of women...

men like women...fact ;)

Well, that totally refutes any case for cultural values then.

If a value is not shared by an entire culture, how can it be called a ‘cultural value’?

because it's one that is accepted as being part of a percieved natural variation. Perhaps a more accurate term than "cultural value" would be "culture bound". For example some people sell alcohol. This is accepted in western culture. Not everyone does it, but someone who does is not considered a deviant or morally repugnant. However in traditional Muslim cultures, this is *not* accepted. Doing so *is* considered amoral and wrong.


The vast majority of people do not want to be smeared with faeces. However, some may do.
and by the rules of all cultures I can think of those people are deviants. Their preferences are not accepted; this not culture bound behaviour.

Well, that totally refutes any case for cultural values then.

If a value is not shared by an entire culture, how can it be called a ‘cultural value’?

None of the above suggest any form of cultural value.

The vast majority of people do not want to be smeared with faeces. However, some may do. If there were such things as ‘cultural values’ then they would, by definition, be followed to the letter by every single member of that culture.

It’s the myth of cultural relativism; life, and society, just doesn’t work like that.

What part of the definition of cultural value requires every single person within the culture to follow it?

Further, if there are no cultural values, what do you call a culture?

Well, I only know a couple white guys that are really into Asian girls. I think it's the stereotype that Asian girls are passive, adoring, and exotic. I think it appeals to guys who have low self-esteem.

Exotic can simply be attractive. Then again I don't see why anyone should discriminate that way if they had low self-esteem, they would take anything they could get in that case. :p

men like women...fact

I like oriental women...I find them asthetically pleasing...

My girlfriend is white...she is about as asthetically pleasing as you can get...

I've been out with many races of women...

men like women...fact ;)

in b4 Fass

Anyway...I like Asian women...I think its mostly because I like shorter women...dunno why. Maybe its related to the Great Media 'Make Good White-Protestant Males Like Evil Oriental Wimminz' conspiracy mentioned earlier.

My personal theory is that its part of an alien mind control scheme to make the human race shorter, so that we can more easily labour in their sponge mines.

Doing so *is* considered amoral and wrong.
Not, I’d argue, by every single member of that culture.

That’s not examining cultural values, that’s stereotyping. It’s like saying it’s a Scottish cultural value to enjoy haggis and support the selling of alcohol.

That’s just not true. I’m sure there are many Scots who dislike haggis, and there’s bound to be some Scots who support prohibition.

50 years ago, if we follow your reasoning, it was a cultural value to consider homosexuality immoral and wrong. Now it’s not. What happened to the cultural value?

and by the rules of all cultures I can think of those people are deviants. Their preferences are not accepted; they are not culture bound.
The very existence of deviance from any cultural norm explodes any idea of cultural values whatsoever.

I say again, something cannot be a cultural value unless it is accepted by ever single member of that culture.

What part of the definition of cultural value requires every single person within the culture to follow it?
The very definition of a ‘cultural value’.

If your values were determined by whatever culture you grew up in, then every single person brought up in a particular culture would have exactly the same values. This just doesn’t happen. NS:G wouldn’t be half as fun if it did!

I’m not saying culture has no effect on a person’s values and beliefs; I just refuse to accept that culturre is the ultimate arbiter of an individuals values.

Further, if there are no cultural values, what do you call a culture?
A culture is a loosely-knitted collection of peoples, usually drawn together on a territorial basis. Its members usually share a nation-state as their home, and they will often share a heritage, religious tradition, or similar.

However, although the culture may be a large influence, it does not determine the beliefs or values of the individuals within it.

Nonsense!

What bruise? Oh, no, I, er, fell, and hit my neck.

On a short Asian girl.

Also, I don't know, maybe it has to do with genetic variation, like good-looking women often being bizarrely drawn to ugly blokes.

But, then again, I have absolutely no evidence with which to back that up. Ho hum.

There was a story on BBC about how people are sexually drawn to those who look the most different from themselves and are sexually apathetic to those who look a lot like themselves.

That's why "exotic" is considered an attractive quality.

But there's also a matter of social standing. In societies where lots of people don't have enough food to eat, being fat is considered sexy because it means you've got enough wealth to eat well. In the west we consider being skinny sexy because it means that you can afford gym membership, or or tans because you can afford to take enough time off of work to get some time in the sun, or under a sunlamp.

People are drawn to those of higher social standing than themselves, and drawn to the exotic. And even for those of us who don't like to admit it, there is something of a race prestige hierarchy. Just like it is more prestigious to have a British accent than a Vietnamese one, or a German one instead of a Mexican one, it is more prestigious to be White than Black.

A man's attraction to to the exotic will be balanced against his antipathy towards those of lower social status. Asian tends to be regarded as more prestigious than black, thus more attractive to men at the top of their own social hierarchy. It's also why the black women considered most attractive also tend to be the whitest looking (long flowing hair, light skin, and anglicized features).

Of course, that's just the American hierarchy. In parts of South America brunettes and blonds are considered a separate race. And brunettes, members of the second most prestigious race, are horrified to learn that here they are merely "Hispanic." I believe Asia has a similar hierarchy that goes something like Japanese>Chinese>Korean>Vietnamese. I don't care to do the research to fill in the blanks that I know are there, my point was that these social hierarchies are near universal.

men like women...fact ;)

Source? :D

Japanese men are as perverted (if not more perverted) than those in other countries, and as for the ladies, on top of being naturally feminine (with petite sexy bodies, skin that doesn’t seem to change complexion from childhood, pretty faces and silky black hair), the women of Japan have no misconceptions about what style - clothes, perfume and make up - makes a man stop in his tracks, and rouse that tingle in his loins.

There is reason why they're so attractive compared to other women. ;)

*catches up with gravlen and whacks him with a spatula* :p
:eek:

You're not Ladame! Nor a priest!

*Flees*
isn't grav a woman? :confused:
What do you want me to be? ;)

(Btw: My sig holds a hint!) I haven't got any idea why people are surprised at that fact, either...
Nope. Gravlen is a mighty he-man womun hater
Little Rascals was on yesterday
By the power of misogynism?
holy shit...ive been flirting with a man...interesting haha...oh well...shit happens :cool:
As if it would matter or make a difference to you :p

Well, that totally refutes any case for cultural values then.

If a value is not shared by an entire culture, how can it be called a ‘cultural value’?

He said that they have different rules for different people. What makes it a cultural value is that the culture recognizes the type of people who are expected to display these characteristics. That's actually what the word taboo originally meant. "That which only certain people may do." Like how in the Indian Caste system, only certain people could fight in wars, only certain people could make pots, only certain people could write religious poetry. Does that mean that pottery is not a cultural value? Of course not. But the whole culture recognized the existence of an artisan caste. And just not being a warrior didn't keep people from getting into fights, sometimes with weapons. But the culture recognized that it was the job of only one group of people to do it.

None of the above suggest any form of cultural value.

The vast majority of people do not want to be smeared with faeces. However, some may do. If there were such things as ‘cultural values’ then they would, by definition, be followed to the letter by every single member of that culture.

It’s the myth of cultural relativism; life, and society, just doesn’t work like that.

That's a false definition. It would be like me saying "if there were such a thing as an airplane it would weigh less than a tenth of an ounce. Those winged busses that American Airways operates weigh tons. Therefore, they are not airplanes."

A value can be described as cultural (thus a Cultural Value) if enough of its members embrace it that it can not reasonably be considered incompatible with their lifestyle (which is itself a function of how they live), but their lifestyle would be significantly impacted if it were removed.

e.g. Drinking Alcohol is an American cultural value, and even the strenuous efforts of a vocal minority could not change it. But teetotalism is also an American Cultural Value and those who do not drink any alcohol are considered in higher moral regard because of it, even though teetotaling is less healthy than true temperance. Now I'm an American, but I recognize the tendency to despise alcohol as an ingrained cultural phenomenon, but I think it's a stupid belief. It doesn't make me unamerican, and it doesn't mean that most Americans don't think alcohol is a bad, if enjoyable, thing. Like dietary fat (also healthier in small amounts than complete absence.)

He said that they have different rules for different people. What makes it a cultural value is that the culture recognizes the type of people who are expected to display these characteristics. That’s actually what the word taboo originally meant. “That which only certain people may do.”
If we accept the above is true, then what you are describing are not cultural values. How can they be cultural if a large part of a culture does not accept them?

Who are these magical people you talk about who define the set rules for different sections of society? Are there set ‘cultural values’ of paedophilia or physical abuse of women? Do the people who commit such reprehensible acts follow set guidelines for molesting children or beating women, as laid down by their culture? Of course not.

Certain sections of a culture may all share similar views on acceptable and non-acceptable behaviour, but this does not equate to some all-powerful value that defines behaviour. I don’t smoke pot, watch the X-Files and post on NS:G because British culture has defined my role, or imposed the values of pot smoking, etc.

Like how in the Indian Caste system, only certain people could fight in wars, only certain people could make pots, only certain people could write religious poetry. Does that mean that pottery is not a cultural value? Of course not. But the whole culture recognized the existence of an artisan caste. And just not being a warrior didn’t keep people from getting into fights, sometimes with weapons. But the culture recognized that it was the job of only one group of people to do it.
But thousands upon thousands of people have rebelled against the Caste system, and do not consider it part of their value system. Do these people suddenly stop being Indian? Do they instantly become a member of a different culture?

Of course not, because culture does not define the values of individuals within said society.

That’s a false definition.
Please define ‘cultural value’ in a more correct way than my definition as ‘a value shared by all members of a culture’. I don’t see how you could.

A value can be described as cultural (thus a Cultural Value) if enough of its members embrace it that it can not reasonably be considered incompatible with their lifestyle (which is itself a function of how they live), but their lifestyle would be significantly impacted if it were removed.
Well, IIRC, about 7% of the British population is homosexual. It would seem by your definition above, that homosexuality is a ‘cultural value’ of Britain. As would be playing World of Warcraft, train spotting, fox hunting, playing Scrabble.... any event, past time or hobby that a large minority of people practice would become a ‘cultural value’.

e.g. Drinking Alcohol is an American cultural value, and even the strenuous efforts of a vocal minority could not change it. But teetotalism is also an American Cultural Value and those who do not drink any alcohol are considered in higher moral regard because of it, even though teetotaling is less healthy than true temperance.
Again we’re arguing about definitions, but how is this possible? How can both drinking alcohol and teetotalism be American cultural values? If we were generalising about Americans, it would be ridiculous to state that, ‘they love a drink, but never touch a drop’. The two just aren’t shared values, and as such, aren’t cultural values.

What you are describing are values that some Americans possess.

There was a story on BBC about how people are sexually drawn to those who look the most different from themselves and are sexually apathetic to those who look a lot like themselves.

I'm curious if you could find a link to this. Given that my ex-fiance was constantly being mistaken for my brother, I don't seem to follow this trend. ;)

Femininity. That, and spatulas *Nods*


Uh...

*Flees before being called "Forum Flirt" again*
Teehee. You forgot the chainsaw, dear. :p ;)
Well, I only know a couple white guys that are really into Asian girls. I think it's the stereotype that Asian girls are passive, adoring, and exotic. I think it appeals to guys who have low self-esteem.
Wow, are the racial stereotypes wrong. Asian people are generally smaller, yes, but that doesn't make them any less feistier than any other race. In fact, my experience has been that Asian girls are a LOT nastier when it comes to gossiping and stabbing people in the back than Canadian girls are.
I'm saying it's a result of a cultural value *placed* on a "racial"/"ethnic" category. And that doesn't have to be one that is obvious from actual physical appearance - "latinos" can be black, white, asian, native american, or anything inbetween, yet latino is still thought of as being a unified ethnic category in some parts of the world, and is also sometimes "fetished" by certain characteristics there.
Sorry to break it to you, but ethnicity IS based on appearance determining genes. Your genetics determine what ethnical group you belong to, and other than a few odd cases, most of those people share the same general trend in appearance.

same reasons the black guys are like "Hey, where the white women at?"

You know, all thought that is horribly stereotypical, this post is fairly funny.

You know, all thought that is horribly stereotypical, this post is fairly funny.
It’s a line from Blazing Saddles.

Asians have magical vaginas.

They tend to be shorter, skinnier, have nice complexions and skin that is practically white.

men like women...fact

I am a man. I like men. Your statement is false.

men like women...fact

I like oriental women...I find them asthetically pleasing...

My girlfriend is white...she is about as asthetically pleasing as you can get...

I've been out with many races of women...

men like women...fact ;)

Yeah, come on now, that's heterosexist.

Wow, are the racial stereotypes wrong. Asian people are generally smaller, yes, but that doesn't make them any less feistier than any other race. In fact, my experience has been that Asian girls are a LOT nastier when it comes to gossiping and stabbing people in the back than Canadian girls are.

Well, of course the stereotypes are wrong. They're based on weird cultural and communication differences when considering very traditional families in certain Asian countries, yes, but they certainly aren't accurate in general.

Because asians(especially chinese girls) are forking hot :)

Because asians(especially chinese girls) are forking hot :)

Yeah, but why?

I am a man. I like men. Your statement is false.

No, you're just at a confused point in your life. I'm sure you will grow out of your homosexuality.

Yeah, but why?

Idk, dark skin, dark eyes, dark hair are all attractive IMO.

I know a couple of Asian women that are real porkers.

Popcorn anybody?

Aww, la dame, I want some of the popcorn! :D

No, you're just at a confused point in your life. I'm sure you will grow out of your homosexuality.

Will you ever grow out of your immaturity, though?

No, you're just at a confused point in your life. I'm sure you will grow out of your homosexuality.
Popcorn anybody?

Will you ever grow out of your immaturity, though?

:rolleyes:

Let me explain my theory of Fass. He hates women it seems like. And you want to know why? I reckon its because of a negative view he holds towards his mother. He always speaks negatively about her. So I think there are some feelings there that make him hate women in general.

:rolleyes:

Let me explain my theory of Fass. He hates women it seems like. And you want to know why? I reckon its because of a negative view he holds towards his mother. He always speaks negatively about her. So I think there are some feelings there that make him hate women in general.

Let me explain my theory of Bosco stix. He likes to make massive presumptions about people. And you know why? I reckon it's because of his incredibly small penis.

Fass interacts quite happily with a number of woman on here. Don't make such absurd statements.

No, you're just at a confused point in your life. I'm sure you will grow out of your homosexuality.

*flees before the inevitable carnage ensues*

:rolleyes:

Let me explain my theory of Fass. He hates women it seems like. And you want to know why? I reckon its because of a negative view he holds towards his mother. He always speaks negatively about her. So I think there are some feelings there that make him hate women in general.

Homosexuality stopped being classified as a pathology in the 40s. You're way behind the times, man.

Aww, la dame, I want some of the popcorn! :D
Sorry, you don't get any. You're a part of the show. Only us people watching get popcorn.

How did a perfectly reasonable racist thread get turned into a discussion of homophobia. :mad:

No, you're just at a confused point in your life. I'm sure you will grow out of your homosexuality.

Oh, sweety, didn't anyone ever tell you to stay away from the lollipop of mediocrity? "Just one lick and you'll keep on sucking". If you wish to troll me, you better step up your game. That little attempt was just pitiful.

Sorry, you don't get any. You're a part of the show. Only us people watching get popcorn.

What's a cuffin?

How did a perfectly reasonable racist thread get turned into a discussion of homophobia. :mad:
Indeed. Whatever happened to the good old honour of racist threads?
What's a cuffin?
cupcake + muffin = cuffin. My friend and my invention, with quadruple chocolate, no less. :D

cupcake + muffin = cuffin. My friend and my invention, with quadruple chocolate, no less. :D

That sounds tasty ... do you just put frosting on a muffin to make one?

That sounds tasty ... do you just put frosting on a muffin to make one?
No, you mix cupcake and muffin recipes, then put icing and sprinkles on it.

Popcorn anybody?
Yes, thank you! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Popcornklau.gif

Anyway, while I consider the Asian persuasion very attractive - I go for women in general.
(Or should I say NSG? :p)

Do they?

Why do white guys go for Hispanic girls?
Why do white guys go for black girls?
Why do white guys go for Native American girls?
Why do white guys go for blonde girls?
Why do white guys go for brunette girls?
Why do white guys go for red-haired girls?

Why do black guys go for Hispanic girls?
Why do black guys go for black girls?
Why do black guys go for Native American girls?
Why do black guys go for blonde girls?
Why do black guys go for brunette girls?
Why do black guys go for red-haired girls?

Why do Asian guys go for Hispanic girls..... et cetera, ad nauseum.....


Answer: BECAUSE THEY ARE GIRLS! (and these guys you are talking about are attracted to girls)
Next question?

QTF.

Guys who like asian girls like them becuase they are girls, and girls have boobies, and guys like boobies.

Yes, thank you! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Popcornklau.gif

Anyway, while I consider the Asian persuasion very attractive - I go for women in general.
(Or should I say NSG? :p)
Oh noes, my popcorn!

And to make it worse, you made a pun. :mad:
QTF.

Guys who like asian girls like them becuase they are girls, and girls have boobies, and guys like boobies.
Can anybody explain to me WHY guys are so obsessed with breasts? They're not anything special...they're just baby bottles. What's so special about them?:confused:

:rolleyes:

Let me explain my theory of Fass. He hates women it seems like. And you want to know why? I reckon its because of a negative view he holds towards his mother. He always speaks negatively about her. So I think there are some feelings there that make him hate women in general.

:D How cute. Where did you come up with that idea?

Oh noes, my popcorn!

And to make it worse, you made a pun. :mad:

Can anybody explain to me WHY guys are so obsessed with breasts? They're not anything special...they're just baby bottles. What's so special about them?:confused:

I think it's mainly christan culture, because for a very long time women were not able to show anything below the neck, and so it became a forbiden pleasure.

:rolleyes:

Let me explain my theory of Fass. He hates women it seems like. And you want to know why? I reckon its because of a negative view he holds towards his mother. He always speaks negatively about her. So I think there are some feelings there that make him hate women in general.

What an incredible find! It's rare to find a relic of this type in such good condition. Tell me: Do all criminals have sloping foreheads?

I just thought of another one: Do all lesbians all have *snicker, snicker* an enlarged clitoris?

Can anybody explain to me WHY guys are so obsessed with breasts? They're not anything special...they're just baby bottles. What's so special about them?:confused:

Why does it need to be rational?

Can anybody explain to me WHY guys are so obsessed with breasts? They're not anything special...they're just baby bottles. What's so special about them?:confused:

Because men don't have them...? I don't know. It's retarded.

Of course, early religions didn't like men staring at women because sex is dirty and so are women, so they became forbidden. Stupid early religions.

Can anybody explain to me WHY guys are so obsessed with breasts? They're not anything special...they're just baby bottles. What's so special about them?:confused:Biology.

(And they're more than just baby bottles; there is no reason for them to be that big all the time if they were only for feeding.)

Can anybody explain to me WHY guys are so obsessed with breasts? They're not anything special...they're just baby bottles. What's so special about them?:confused:

Women seem to be just as obsessed with them too.

Face it, breasts are cool.

Just, sayin'

I think it's mainly christan culture, because for a very long time women were not able to show anything below the neck, and so it became a forbiden pleasure.
But the Christian culture is only wide-spread in the West. People in the East are no less obsessed about breasts than people in the West. I WOULD like to know if Egyptians were like us when it comes to obsession with breasts.
Why does it need to be rational?
Maybe it doesn't need to be. I just don't understand.
Because men don't have them...? I don't know. It's retarded.

Of course, early religions didn't like men staring at women because sex is dirty and so are women, so they became forbidden. Stupid early religions.
Some men have manboobs. :p
Biology.

(And they're more than just baby bottles; there is no reason for them to be that big all the time if they were only for feeding.)
Well, there's the whole thing about them needing time to develop to be mature enough to feed babies, and the capacity to store milk, and it is purely illogical for women to have newly grown breasts every time they have a baby. Anybody girl's who's been through puberty can tell you that growing breasts can be quite an awkward and sometime painful experience.

Maybe it doesn't need to be. I just don't understand.

There are many things about sex that make absolutely no sense if you stop and think about them. So it's best not to worry, and just enjoy it as it is, in all its irrational glory.

But the Christian culture is only wide-spread in the West. People in the East are no less obsessed about breasts than people in the West. I WOULD like to know if Egyptians were like us when it comes to obsession with breasts.



No. They weren't. Or at least not to the same extent.

They are a secondary sexual characteristic, and are therefore, in principle, attractive to the opposite sex.

Just like a man's deeper voice, or beard.

Women seem to be just as obsessed with them too.

Face it, breasts are cool.

Just, sayin'
Women are obsessed about them because men are obsessed about them. Women like me, who don't give a flying fuck about what most guys care about, aren't obsessed with them at all. In fact, they're quite a nuisance sometimes.

Because men don't have them...? I don't know. It's retarded.

What's retarded is your ignorant statement that men don't have breasts.

http://www.media-post.net/manboobs.php

What's retarded is your statement that men don't have breasts.

http://www.media-post.net/manboobs.php

I shall have nightmares tonight. :(

Well, there's the whole thing about them needing time to develop to be mature enough to feed babies, and the capacity to store milk, and it is purely illogical for women to have newly grown breasts every time they have a baby. Anybody girl's who's been through puberty can tell you that growing breasts can be quite an awkward and sometime painful experience.Just check on our simian siblings, like chimpansees. Female chimpansees hardly have breasts, except when breast feeding -- when they swell with milk. But the same thing still occurs with humans, the breasts still swell, additionally, when the milk glands become active. Their volume during 'non-activity', though, is absolutely irrelevant to the milk production; the volume is due to fatty tissue that has nothing to do with it's child rearing function.
Well, that's what I gathered from biologists talking on the subject, anyway.. I haven't made a study of it myself :P

I shall have nightmares tonight. :(

Yay!! :)

Just check on our simian siblings, like chimpansees. Female chimpansees hardly have breasts, except when breast feeding -- when they swell with milk. But the same thing still occurs with humans, the breasts still swell, additionally, when the milk glands become active. Their volume during 'non-activity', though, is absolutely irrelevant to the milk production; the volume is due to fatty tissue that has nothing to do with it's child rearing function.
Well, that's what I gathered from biologists talking on the subject, anyway.. I haven't made a study of it myself :P
Well, it just seems not very logical to me that every time a woman has a child, especially after a painful/tiring childbirth, she has to grow breasts too. Then again, what do I know? Maybe I'm just making a fool of myself asking a non-answerable question.

Yay!! :)


I hate you for posting that. When i die and my life flashes before my eyes, i hope I don't see that.

Oh noes, my popcorn!
Ah, but the little guy was just going to get a refill...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/popcorn2.gif
And to make it worse, you made a pun. :mad:
Exsqueeze me? Since when is my humor not appreciated?
Can anybody explain to me WHY guys are so obsessed with breasts? They're not anything special...they're just baby bottles. What's so special about them?:confused:
a) I like'em. Does that really need a reason?
b) We don't have'em.
c) They're soft. And round. And nice.
d) I can spend hours with them.
e) They're boobs. I guess that's the best explanation. When we ran on all fours, we were attracted to asses more than boobies. Now that we're walking upright, mother nature gave the women a chest-ass for us guys to stare at.
f) Did I mention I liked'em?!? I don't need a reason to like boobies!

Ah, but the little guy was just going to get a refill...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/popcorn2.gif
Awww, how sweet of you. :)
Exsqueeze me? Since when is my humor not appreciated?
*is ashamed of herself*
a) I like'em. Does that really need a reason?
b) We don't have'em.
c) They're soft. And round. And nice.
d) I can spend hours with them.
e) They're boobs. I guess that's the best explanation. When we ran on all fours, we were attracted to asses more than boobies. Now that we're walking upright, mother nature gave the women a chest-ass for us guys to stare at.
f) Did I mention I liked'em?!? I don't need a reason to like boobies!
Yeah yeah yeah, you've made your point. :p

Oh noes, my popcorn!

And to make it worse, you made a pun. :mad:

Can anybody explain to me WHY guys are so obsessed with breasts? They're not anything special...they're just baby bottles. What's so special about them?:confused:

Mammals are wired to be physically attracted to signs that a potential partner will be more likely to produce healthy children and be able to take care of them. This means some combination of possessing good health and demonstrating possession of resources and status.

In the wild, dominant males get the best food, improving the chance that a female and her children will get to share that food if they are part of his family. Though there are no guarantees, the guy might just be an asshole who will let his wife and kids starve, but even most assholes would be embarrassed to have people see that they can't feed their wife and kids. Thus women are drawn to signs of ambition and wealth.

Women with wide hips and large breasts are more likely to give birth easily and be able to nourish the offspring. But our hindbrains haven't caught up with the innovations in modern plastic surgery. Simply put, guys who were attracted to tiny boobs 150,000 years ago tended to have less descendants because even if they had as many kids as the other guys, those kids were less active and promiscuous because of inadequate nutrition as kids. So the larger part of the gene pool is made up of guys who like big boobs.

What's retarded is your ignorant statement that men don't have breasts.

http://www.media-post.net/manboobs.php
I shall have nightmares tonight. :(
Yay!! :)
And I am so glad I did not click on that link...

Awww, how sweet of you. :)
You're welcome.
*is ashamed of herself*
Don't be. It's okay. ;)
Yeah yeah yeah, you've made your point. :p
I'm still a little high on testosterone from Friday night I guess... :eek::p:D

Well, it just seems not very logical to me that every time a woman has a child, especially after a painful/tiring childbirth, she has to grow breasts too.Well, the breasts grow anyway during pregnancy, even though they're there to start with. I'm not sure what difference there is if they grow from practically nothing, or from noticably something.
In any case, even the least endowed women have no more problem breast feeding that well-endowed ones. So why is the average much more than the minimum? It's not like there aren't disadvantages to carrying around that much more weight on your chest. Especially considering humanity had to do without proper support for them for quite a while.
It makes sense to me that their size has to do with a second role: attraction. It's certainly something they do. And the otherwise unnecessary size is explained from it. Although some biologists have slightly weirder expanded views on the matter; namely that they serve the purpose butts did (in attraction); but when people started walking upright the butt was less noticible, so breasts compensated that at the front.

Well, it just seems not very logical to me that every time a woman has a child, especially after a painful/tiring childbirth, she has to grow breasts too. Then again, what do I know? Maybe I'm just making a fool of myself asking a non-answerable question.

they grow during pregnancy. they get all hard and lumpy and feel awful.

*wipes tear from eye*

Ahh, NS:G. That’s why I love you. An interesting debate on cultural relativism mired by either a troll or an eejit, brought back from the brink by a discussion on the philosophy behind boobs.

Sex.....

Because men don't have them...? I don't know. It's retarded.

Of course, early religions didn't like men staring at women because sex is dirty and so are women, so they became forbidden. Stupid early religions.

What are you talking about? Greek statues and stuff had breasts showing

What early religions forbade breasts showing? :confused:

I appear to be the odd one out. I'm white but I don't go for Asian girls. However, lots of my friends, who are also white, really, really, really like Asian girls. I can't see what's so alluring myself, but hey, it takes all kinds to make a world.

There's a really great funny short on this subject called 'yellow fever' by wongfu productions. You can get it at the wong fu website http://www.wongfuproductions.com/YellowFever.html or you can find it by searching for Yellow Fever on Youtube.

Anywho - what do you think?

Why do white guys go for asian girls? AND why do Asian girls go for white guys?

Answers on posts please
Because they're hot thats why. Just saying. That was a big reason I dated one of my ex-girlfriends.

Japanese men are as perverted (if not more perverted) than those in other countries, and as for the ladies, on top of being naturally feminine (with petite sexy bodies, skin that doesn’t seem to change complexion from childhood, pretty faces and silky black hair), the women of Japan have no misconceptions about what style - clothes, perfume and make up - makes a man stop in his tracks, and rouse that tingle in his loins.
Uh... okaaaaaaay. That's... interesting, very wrong, but interesting.

I'm not one of them... anymore at least. I lost interest during a trip to australia, and saw that they never grow boobs bigger than an A or B cup.

Purely cultural reasons. The media (porn mostly) tells men that asian women are more sexually desirable, playing up stereotypes such as them being "exotic" and/or "submissive". This becomes a self fulfilling prophecy; the more pornography that fulfills this fantasy the more men think they want it to be fulfilled.
The funny thing is that stereotype gets blown out of the water once someone starts actually dating an Asian woman.

I can't tell you why white guys are attracted to Asian women, all I can tell you is what attracted me to my wife.

Because they're hot thats why. Just saying. That was a big reason I dated one of my ex-girlfriends.

That might also be the reason she is an ex-girlfriend.

It might be kind of fun to have an asian girlfriend.. you could experiment with hats and wigs and try to get her into the movies or the buffet as a 12-and-under. :p

It might be kind of fun to have an asian girlfriend.. you could experiment with hats and wigs and try to get her into the movies or the buffet as a 12-and-under. :p

:eek:

Well now I know why you are named Thumbless Pete Crabbe.

I appear to be the odd one out. I'm white but I don't go for Asian girls. However, lots of my friends, who are also white, really, really, really like Asian girls. I can't see what's so alluring myself, but hey, it takes all kinds to make a world.

Anywho - what do you think?

Why do white guys go for asian girls? AND why do Asian girls go for white guys?

Answers on posts please

I think that a white guy's interest in Asian chicks is three fold

Number one: Presentation and Manners - Asian chicks tend to be well presented and well mannered and guys are more likely to be interested in a well presented, well mannered chick. I know a guy in my Accounting stream that went to Japan and started feeling attracted to Asian chicks because of their presentation

Number two: The exotic element - Asians are still viewed of as exotic creatures, not only in the pornographic world but in the real world as well. Of course there is also the forbidden element; Asian chicks until recently avoided having sex until marriage - that idea still exists among men that Asian chicks are virgins for the taking

Number three: Their size - Western blokes tend to prefer smaller women, and Asian chicks are usually smaller

Personally I have not been attracted to Asian chicks, but then, that is me

:eek:

Well now I know why you are named Thumbless Pete Crabbe.

And I know why you're named Widfarend. Well, not really. :p

I think that a white guy's interest in Asian chicks is three fold

Number one: Presentation and Manners - Asian chicks tend to be well presented and well mannered and guys are more likely to be interested in a well presented, well mannered chick. I know a guy in my Accounting stream that went to Japan and started feeling attracted to Asian chicks because of their presentation

Number two: The exotic element - Asians are still viewed of as exotic creatures, not only in the pornographic world but in the real world as well. Of course there is also the forbidden element; Asian chicks until recently avoided having sex until marriage - that idea still exists among men that Asian chicks are virgins for the taking

Number three: Their size - Western blokes tend to prefer smaller women, and Asian chicks are usually smaller

Personally I have not been attracted to Asian chicks, but then, that is me

Seems to me that those reasons only applies for the chicks in the rural parts of Asia.

And I know why you're named Widfarend. Well, not really. :p

I will give you a hint.

It is a word in Old English.

Really, I'm attracted to all pretty women, ethnicity doesn't really matter.

The funny thing is that stereotype gets blown out of the water once someone starts actually dating an Asian woman.

I can't tell you why white guys are attracted to Asian women, all I can tell you is what attracted me to my wife.

So, wait? After having sex with one, you're not horny again 20 minutes later?

Really, I'm attracted to all pretty women, ethnicity doesn't really matter.

I would have to agree. I go by my standards of what is attractive, not race/religion/ethnicity/whatever.

It is the same with music, I go by good songs, not bands or genres.

So, wait? After having sex with one, you're not horny again 20 minutes later?
*Pulls out dead cod, performs the Monty Python Fish Dance on ye*

*Pulls out dead cod, performs the Monty Python Fish Dance on ye*

There are some times where you just wish this forum had one of those 'psyduck holding head' emoticons available...

I appear to be the odd one out. I'm white but I don't go for Asian girls. However, lots of my friends, who are also white, really, really, really like Asian girls. I can't see what's so alluring myself, but hey, it takes all kinds to make a world.

There's a really great funny short on this subject called 'yellow fever' by wongfu productions. You can get it at the wong fu website http://www.wongfuproductions.com/YellowFever.html or you can find it by searching for Yellow Fever on Youtube.

Anywho - what do you think?

Why do white guys go for asian girls? AND why do Asian girls go for white guys?

Answers on posts please

i like all kinds of girls..as long as they are trustworthy....and for some reason i dont trust asian women..my own hangup..and undoubtedly wrong..they scare me i suppose..different culture and all.
but if i were to venture a guess..it is because they are small by nature and it makes the average guy feel big...but what do i know..i am enamored with asian girls..but scared of them

why is no-one asking, "Why do asian girls go for white guys?"
It's an equally valid question to the OP one.
why is automiatically assumed if you see a mixed race couple, that the guy must have a thing for women of that particular race. Could well be the other way round.

Ask yourself - how often have you seen an asian guy with a white woman?

Offhand, I can remember maybe 2 occasions I've seen such a couple.
As opposed to white guy - asian girl: well, that number is well past the triple figures and heading into the quad figures.

So what is about us white guys that make us so attractive to asian girls?

Ask yourself - how often have you seen an asian guy with a white woman?


That guy that walked out into a snowstorm and died. His wife was white, and they had some odd, off-white kids. It was all over the news.

Also, lots of guys who marry asian women are ex-military. That's probably part of it. The Army's in Korea, the Marines in Japan, and all those years in VietNam, let's not forget. So there's a mostly-male tradition there.

I really don't feel like reading this whole thread, so I'll just post blindly.

Why is anyone attracted to anyone else? Why does race even need to be a factor? When will the world be over this senseless yammering about who Asian women prefer or who Black men prefer?

Likely never...so please, feel free to continue the ridiculous suppositions.

I really don't feel like reading this whole thread, so I'll just post blindly.

Why is anyone attracted to anyone else? Why does race even need to be a factor? When will the world be over this senseless yammering about who Asian women prefer or who Black men prefer?

Likely never...so please, feel free to continue the ridiculous suppositions.

I'm guessing you didn't major in Sociology. :p

That guy that walked out into a snowstorm and died. His wife was white, and they had some odd, off-white kids. It was all over the news.
that's one. I'm betting within 10 minutes of people watching from your local starbucks you'll see 10 times that number of white guy - asian girl couples (100 if you live where I'm living)
Also, lots of guys who marry asian women are ex-military. That's probably part of it. The Army's in Korea, the Marines in Japan, and all those years in VietNam, let's not forget. So there's a mostly-male tradition there.
Maybe where you're from, but not me.

that's one. I'm betting within 10 minutes of people watching from your local starbucks you'll see 10 times that number of white guy - asian girl couples (100 if you live where I'm living)

Maybe where you're from, but not me.

I knew a bunch of half-white or half-mexican kids when I was in gradeschool whose fathers were ex-military or (at that time) current military. I guess I'm mostly going on that, but it was a pretty good number.

that's one. I'm betting within 10 minutes of people watching from your local starbucks you'll see 10 times that number of white guy - asian girl couples (100 if you live where I'm living)

Maybe where you're from, but not me.

I think there's different reasons why Asian girls date westerners in Asia compared to why westerners dig Asian girls in the West.

One is due to availability - westerners date Asian girls in the West because, well there's more of them. Asian girls date western guys for a variety of reasons.

The other is due to teenage sexual awakening - something new, in that there's an air of exotica about Asian girls in porn.

that's one. I'm betting within 10 minutes of people watching from your local starbucks you'll see 10 times that number of white guy - asian girl couples (100 if you live where I'm living)

I'm not sure about HK, but in Japan it's usually the Japanese guys who marry a non-Japanese in international marriages, of course said non-Japanese are almost always Asian.

Funny, the guys usually say the exact same things about their brides from Vietnam, China and South Korea that the guys on this thread have brought up about Asian women in general.

I grew up in an area of the states that had an unusually high percentage of asians, and as I was being constantly passed over for them I got a sense of what they had that I didn't.

First, they're petite. Asian chicks are shorter and thinner than white chicks. There's something in the brains of men that says that small = feminine (also, submissive) and large = masculine, so they pretty much start drooling.

Second, there's asian porn. Not the american porns with asian chicks in them, but the weird stuff that comes out of asia (mostly Japan). The crazy tentacle sex cartoons, all that stuff. The general understanding of the asian sex life in teenage america (at least, when I was growing up) was that the asians liked the kinky, the taboo, the weird. And all the anime on tv just proves that young asian co-eds like wearing skirts short enough to flash their undies when they stand up :rolleyes:

Thirdly, all the asian dances and writings are portrayed as having the most deliberate grace and gentleness. Like being asian and female automatically makes you an expert geisha-dancer or something. Like being asian male makes you an expert in all the martial arts in the universe.

Basically -- it's all stereotypes, misunderstandings and base caveman 'me big, you not' type reactions. That's how I understand it, but my position as the one rejected may not include all the pieces. It's possible there's something else that is in there that I've not observed.

I appear to be the odd one out. I'm white but I don't go for Asian girls. However, lots of my friends, who are also white, really, really, really like Asian girls. I can't see what's so alluring myself, but hey, it takes all kinds to make a world.

There's a really great funny short on this subject called 'yellow fever' by wongfu productions. You can get it at the wong fu website http://www.wongfuproductions.com/YellowFever.html or you can find it by searching for Yellow Fever on Youtube.

Anywho - what do you think?

Why do white guys go for asian girls? AND why do Asian girls go for white guys?

Answers on posts please

lol that movie was pretty funny :P

The features of the east asian woman (I think "Asian" is silly because Asia is too fricking huge) are very pretty. Also, I like their voices and laughter. They are so cute and or sexy.

They are also rumored to be umm well err I cant say it explicitly without blushing so I can euphamistically refer to it as physically endowed with the ability to better please a man than most other women. I am not sure if this is true. I wish that I had enough personal experience to verify it.

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Responding to the second post on this thread:

To be fair, I know very few white guys who like black girls. Actually, I can't think of even one. It's a combination of a more curvy frame and the really bad attitude that a larger percentage of black women have, I think.

* gets ready to be flamed for 'racism' *

I am Caucasian, and I definitely 'go' for Asians... In fact, I dated a great gal from Shanghai.
As I see it, the further East one goes, the better-looking gals get.

I grew up in an area of the states that had an unusually high percentage of asians, and as I was being constantly passed over for them I got a sense of what they had that I didn't.

First, they're petite. Asian chicks are shorter and thinner than white chicks. There's something in the brains of men that says that small = feminine (also, submissive) and large = masculine, so they pretty much start drooling.

Second, there's asian porn. Not the american porns with asian chicks in them, but the weird stuff that comes out of asia (mostly Japan). The crazy tentacle sex cartoons, all that stuff. The general understanding of the asian sex life in teenage america (at least, when I was growing up) was that the asians liked the kinky, the taboo, the weird. And all the anime on tv just proves that young asian co-eds like wearing skirts short enough to flash their undies when they stand up :rolleyes:

Thirdly, all the asian dances and writings are portrayed as having the most deliberate grace and gentleness. Like being asian and female automatically makes you an expert geisha-dancer or something. Like being asian male makes you an expert in all the martial arts in the universe.

Basically -- it's all stereotypes, misunderstandings and base caveman 'me big, you not' type reactions. That's how I understand it, but my position as the one rejected may not include all the pieces. It's possible there's something else that is in there that I've not observed.

QFT.

Of the 12 Asian (Asian here defined as Eastern Asia minus Russia & former SSRs, and from Bangladesh east) students in my choral ensembles, the parents of 2 are similarly extracted (one both parents Filipino and the other both Vietnamese), the rest break down this way:

2 x both parents Asian, but of differing extractions (Chinese/Filipino and Vietnamese/Lao)

2 x White father, Asian mother

2 x Asian father, White mother

2 x Black father, Asian mother

1 x Asian father, Black mother

1 x Asian father, Indonesian mother

Metro area schools are where you see the rainbow.

Responding to the second post on this thread:

To be fair, I know very few white guys who like black girls. Actually, I can't think of even one. It's a combination of a more curvy frame and the really bad attitude that a larger percentage of black women have, I think.

* gets ready to be flamed for 'racism' *

And anyone flaming you would be justified, still warned, but justified.

Here's one White guy who likes Black women. It's got very little to do with race and most to do with the circumstances of upbringing. Curves and attitude are variables under the partial control of parents.

I'm guessing you didn't major in Sociology. :p

You must have majored in glib.

Care to explain your retort, or just sit behind a straw wall of smugness and imagine yourself a poster of enlightened responses?

Magical vaginas.

Oh noes, my popcorn!

And to make it worse, you made a pun. :mad:

Can anybody explain to me WHY guys are so obsessed with breasts? They're not anything special...they're just baby bottles. What's so special about them?:confused:

While clothed they are the only difference between males and females that can be easily spotted and apparent? And for some strange reason while you womenfolk think of them as nothing more than fleshy bags for feeding babies we males tend to see them as shapely and lovley objects of desire. I could say more but it wouldn't be very appropriate; if you're curious enough I can tell you further why I like them.

Oh and before anyone says anything.. I just like the word womenfolk, it sounds funny and was not meant as a sexest comment at all.

This must qualify as one of the great imponderables, some men of whatever race are attracted to women of a particular type, short, tall, curvy, slim or whatever.
Personally I am attracted to all sorts of women, some are Asian, some are Caucasian, some are Black, some are more mature.
The point I am making is people are attracted to people for any number of reasons.
Thank you for listening and good night :fluffle: