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Whoops! :D

Ahh Senator Brownback? If you don't know football, don't try to use it for an analogy in Packer country!

You would figure he should know when to stop digging. :)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/12/brownback.favre.ap/index.html

HAHA! Manning is a Colts quarterback.

Football!?

I say, sir, you seem to be playing woosy rugby.

And Dan Marino and John Elway were way better than him. They just had some huge problems with their respective teams, and it's amazing that they won as much as they did with them.

Wow, the thread title scared me for a moment there...

Also, "Let's take Favre then," Brownback said. "The Packers are great. I'm sorry. How many passes does he complete without a line?"

"All of them!" more than one person yelled
:rolleyes:

I have no idea who he is, but the name seems familiar. Who is this Man-ning?

Wow, the thread title scared me for a moment there...

Also,
:rolleyes:

WTF?

Football!?

I say, sir, you seem to be playing woosy rugby.

Hmm and compared to the Australian Southern leagues, what kind do you play? :p

Having played both I could accept the label ;)

I have no idea who he is, but the name seems familiar. Who is this Man-ning?

American Football.

Quaterback of the Indianapolis Colts.

Hmm and compared to the Australian Southern leagues, what kind do you play? :P
I play Laugh-at-americans-cos-they-play-rugby-with-body-armour-yet-hypocritically-not-play-any-contact-sport-whatsoever-ball.

WTF?

err

1st part: Reaction to initial "Colts traded Manning!?" panic

2nd par: Silly Packer fans.

American Football.

Quaterback of the Indianapolis Colts.

Yeha, didn't someone make like 5 threads about him a little while ago.

I play Laugh-at-americans-cos-they-play-rugby-with-body-armour-yet-hypocritically-not-play-any-contact-sport-whatsoever-ball.

:D

err

1st part: Reaction to initial "Colts traded Manning!?" panic

2nd par: Silly Packer fans.

I know. I was "WTFing" the Packers fans. :p

I'm sure the Packers would rather have Peyton Manning than Brett Favre though. Still, inaccuracies like this are pretty pathetic. One would think you should know what the hell you are saying, eh?


Besides, I still say Tom Brady beats out Manning. Though I could be biased there. :D

I play Laugh-at-americans-cos-they-play-rugby-with-body-armour-yet-hypocritically-not-play-any-contact-sport-whatsoever-ball.

I assume you've never played basketball then?

#1 GO COLTS
#2 Brady is nothing! Peyton is great
#3 PEYTON TO MARVIN HARRISON....TOUCHDOWN!!!

#1 GO COLTS
#2 Brady is nothing! Peyton is great
#3 PEYTON TO MARVIN HARRISON....TOUCHDOWN!!!

*looks at 3 Super Bowl trophies*

And now Randy Moss!

I assume you’ve never played basketball then?
You assume wrong.

I’ve played many sports, contact and non-contact. Quite a fan of basketball; I’m almost good at it.

I just don’t play any sports on a regular basis. Unless pool (Scottish Rules) down the pub counts? Or sailing? Or cycling?

But they’re more hobbies.

I know. I was "WTFing" the Packers fans. :p

In that case, :D

In that case, :D

Giving Packers fans a little poke can be pretty amusing. Especially towards fans that wear a chunk of cheese on their heads.

You assume wrong.

I’ve played many sports, contact and non-contact. Quite a fan of basketball; I’m almost good at it.

I just don’t play any sports on a regular basis. Unless pool (Scottish Rules) down the pub counts? Or sailing? Or cycling?

But they’re more hobbies.

You said Americans don't play contact sports. Basketball and (I agree) real football are contact sports.

Football!?

I say, sir, you seem to be playing woosy rugby.
Yes, because football without the safety equipment is really a good idea. Let's just forget that fact that even with the safety equipment injuries happen quite often, and can be quite serious. :rolleyes:

Rugby is uncivilized and far too dangerous, in my opinion. If you're going to play something like that, for fuck's sake wear some safety equipment!
John Elway was way better than everyone.
Fixed. Or so that's what my Dad would say.

Don't mistake these as real interest in football, as I don't have it...any interest or knowledge at all comes from my Broncos maniac father.

As an American, who now goes out every to watch his local rugby team (Go Lions!), let me say this.

Rugby and Football are not comparable!

Football with the forward pass, unlimited substitutions, blocking, and complete specialization of positions is nothing like the free for all of rugby.

Also the only reason football has pads is because it's MORE violent than rugby. When a pass is thrown the receiver is going at top speed and is about to be smacked by a tackler who is also at top speed. In rugby nobody can get to top speed before the hit is made making it easier to play without pads.

Oh and in response to the OP: I thought he was a Packer for a second which would have sucked. Bears all the way!

You said Americans don’t play contact sports.
No I didn’t.

I jokingly referred to American Football as ‘woosy rugby’.

Even Woosy Rugby is a contact sport.


Rugby is uncivilized and far too dangerous, in my opinion. If you’re going to play something like that, for fuck’s sake wear some safety equipment!
You think Rugby is dangerous? You should play some Shinty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinty)!

One of the more nerve-wrecking experiences of my life...

I think the only sports I’d call uncivilised are any of the Blood Sports.

Or boxing “the most debased, imbecile sport. Those who practice it are fools, those who manage it are worse, and those who broadcast it deserve to put at the top of the front line call-up list come the next land battle.”

Ok, any other Canuks read 'Preston Manning' in the title?:D

Whoops! :D

Ahh Senator Brownback? If you don't know football, don't try to use it for an analogy in Packer country!

You would figure he should know when to stop digging. :)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/12/brownback.favre.ap/index.html

Now that is just flat out awful. Thank God he has no shot at winning. Now I know I am not voting for him in 2008

And Dan Marino and John Elway were way better than him. They just had some huge problems with their respective teams, and it's amazing that they won as much as they did with them.

Oh grow up. Denver was great with Elway at the helm and will be great with Culter at the helm. Do not go putting down Elway.

#1 GO COLTS
#2 Brady is nothing! Peyton is great
#3 PEYTON TO MARVIN HARRISON....TOUCHDOWN!!!

Who the hell is Brady?

Oh grow up. Denver was great with Elway at the helm and will be great with Culter at the helm. Do not go putting down Elway.

No no no, I didn't mean it that way. I meant that it was because of them that their teams won as much as they did. It was the rest of the team that was the problem, like Denver's receiving corps dropping pass after pass, and the Dolphins' complete lack of a running game... Which still seems to be a problem for them, oddly enough.

No no no, I didn't mean it that way. I meant that it was because of them that their teams won as much as they did. It was the rest of the team that was the problem, like Denver's receiving corps dropping pass after pass, and the Dolphins' complete lack of a running game... Which still seems to be a problem for them, oddly enough.

I will give you the Dolphins but i shall not give you any points when it comes to Denver. They always had a great passing game. It was the running game they ran into trouble. Then they drafted three straight 1000 yard rushers and won 2 superbowls. :D

And Dan Marino and John Elway were way better than him.

Bullshit.

FIVE GREATEST QUARTERBACKS EVER:
1. Peyton Manning
2. John Unitas
3. Bart Starr
4. Joe Montana
5. Roger Staubach

I will give you the Dolphins but i shall not give you any points when it comes to Denver. They always had a great passing game. It was the running game they ran into trouble. Then they drafted three straight 1000 yard rushers and won 2 superbowls. :D

That's true, but a big part of Elway's low completion percentage was the fault of the receiving corps. Watch footage, and you'll see. Fuck, I even saw when I watched him play during the mid-1990s. Even a good amount of his interceptions can be attributed to the receivers, for not positioning their hands properly and deflecting passes right into defenders.

And for a long time, Ed McCaffrey was the only truly dependable receiver he had, and we both know that. Only when Rod Smith came along to help did he have a solid receiving corps.

Bullshit.

FIVE GREATEST QUARTERBACKS EVER:
1. Peyton Manning
2. John Unitas
3. Bart Starr
4. Joe Montana
5. Roger Staubach

I can grant some on that list but not all. I will not grant you your #1, and #5! Now if you put the others in their primes with Elway and Marino, I am willing to place bets that all of them will not be considered great.

And Peyton cannot be considered great till his entire career can be fully analized.

Bullshit.

FIVE GREATEST QUARTERBACKS EVER:
1. Peyton Manning
2. John Unitas
3. Bart Starr
4. Joe Montana
5. Roger Staubach

Why?

Are you basing this on athletic ability? Because Elway beats every last one of them in all categories in that regard.

Are you basing this on wins? Elway still beats them there, and he had some pretty shitty teams.

Are you basing this on leadership? Elway beats them out yet again, since he still holds the record for comeback victories. Mind you, a lot of his comeback victories were claimed when he was playing with poorly-rounded teams, relying on his intelligence and coordination, not to mention his speedy legs.

So, I'm guessing you're just basing this on personal taste, so you have no credibility here.

That's true, but a big part of Elway's low completion percentage was the fault of the receiving corps. Watch footage, and you'll see. Fuck, I even saw when I watched him play during the mid-1990s. Even a good amount of his interceptions can be attributed to the receivers, for not positioning their hands properly and deflecting passes right into defenders.

And for a long time, Ed McCaffrey was the only truly dependable receiver he had, and we both know that. Only when Rod Smith came along to help did he have a solid receiving corps.

I will still disagree :D

Marino breaks into the Top Ten, but Elway doesn't:

6. Fran Tarkenton
7. Y. A. Tittle
8. Paddy Driscoll
9. Dan Marino
10. Dan Fouts

no drew brees is the best QB

Why?

Are you basing this on athletic ability? Because Elway beats every last one of them in all categories in that regard.

Even Montana :D

Are you basing this on wins? Elway still beats them there, and he had some pretty shitty teams.

And alot of them in the 4th quarter too :D

Are you basing this on leadership? Elway beats them out yet again, since he still holds the record for comeback victories.

HERE HERE!! *bows at the shrine of John Elway*

So, I'm guessing you're just basing this on personal taste, so you have no credibility here.

Did he ever?

Marino breaks into the Top Ten, but Elway doesn't:

6. Fran Tarkenton
7. Y. A. Tittle
8. Paddy Driscoll
9. Dan Marino
10. Dan Fouts

That's because you are probably to young to remember him. I do remember him and he is one of the greatest QBs of all time.

I will still disagree :D

Well, obviously, because you're a die-hard Broncos fan, and I honestly don't blame you. :p

I like to be as objective as possible, though. And hey, I like the Broncos, too.

I had two classes with Drew Brees when I was a Freshman at Purdue.

As a senior, I had one with Kyle Orton.

Good guys, both of them.

But neither of them are all-time greats.

Even Montana :D

Joe Montana was a hell of a leader, but he always had one thing going for him... Outstanding teams. Put Elway or Marino on the 49ers in the 1980s, and they would've had five rings each, maybe even six.

That's because you are probably to young to remember him. I do remember him and he is one of the greatest QBs of all time.

Hardly.

I was born in 1981...certainly, I'm too young to remember when the (Baltimore) Colts drafted him.

Had he not spurned them, he would certainly have been with them when he came to Indy.

But I'm certainly old enough to have seen him play and understood what was going on.

And, given that I know enough about the likes of Paddy Driscoll (who played in the Twenties, for fuck's sake) to be able to rate him, I think I'm a pretty good student of football history, even for those players who I am indeed too young to remember.

i think drew brees is one of the best QBs in the NFL

Joe Montana was a hell of a leader, but he always had one thing going for him... Outstanding teams. Put Elway or Marino on the 49ers in the 1980s, and they would've had five rings each, maybe even six.

Now there I can not argue with you.

Now there I can not argue with you.

Thank the commission for the salary cap... Jesus Fucking Christ, those 49ers teams in the 80's were the most ridiculously stacked bullshit ever.

Hardly.

I was born in 1981...certainly, I'm too young to remember when the (Baltimore) Colts drafted him.

And I was born in 1982.

Had he not spurned them, he would certainly have been with them when he came to Indy.

And would not have had a ring when he retired. Look at the titles he won while with Denver and compared that to Indy!

But I'm certainly old enough to have seen him play and understood what was going on.

That he hated Indy/Baltimore? I do not blame him. I would not want to play with them either. Denver swoops in and picks him up and won several divisional titles, 6 conference titles, and 2 Super Bowls. While doing that, he had many fourth quarter combacks and broke several records. Damn. I guess he is one of the best to play the game after all. Grow the fuck up .

And, given that I know enough about the likes of Paddy Driscoll (who played in the Twenties, for fuck's sake) to be able to rate him, I think I'm a pretty good student of football history, even for those players who I am indeed too young to remember.

And just what did Paddy Driscoll do that rates him among the greats?

Thank the commission for the salary cap... Jesus Fucking Christ, those 49ers teams in the 80's were the most ridiculously stacked bullshit ever.

To bad there is not one in Baseball. Maybe the Yankees would not be so great if there was one.

To bad there is not one in Baseball. Maybe the Yankees would not be so great if there was one.

Baseball would be great if there was a goddamn salary cap. The sport needs parity, and as it stands, so many teams have been in the gutter for so long that it's almost pointless to watch.

Baseball would be great if there was a goddamn salary cap. The sport needs parity, and as it stands, so many teams have been in the gutter for so long that it's almost pointless to watch.

*cries after seeing what KC's record is currently*

That he hated Indy/Baltimore? I do not blame him. I would not want to play with them either. Denver swoops in and picks him up and won several divisional titles, 6 conference titles, and 2 Super Bowls. While doing that, he had many fourth quarter combacks and broke several records. Damn. I guess he is one of the best to play the game after all. Grow the fuck up .


Dude, that had jack shit to do with the fact that he's not one of the top ten all-time greats.

I was merely dealing with your condescending suggestion that I'm not old enough to remember seeing him play when it turns out that in fact you're younger than me.




And just what did Paddy Driscoll do that rates him among the greats?

Have you ever seen film of him playing? In an era in which quarterback was not nearly as important a position as it is today, he completely dominated the game. He was really one of the first "specialty" players who did NOT play both sides--and that's precisely because he was so good as a quarterback.

Dude, that had jack shit to do with the fact that he's not one of the top ten all-time greats.

It has everything to do with it Linus. Just because you know jack shit about Elway shows that you know jackshit about football. Why don't you go peddle your ilk elsewhere because frankly, your illogical biasness is not needed here.

I was merely dealing with your condescending suggestion that I'm not old enough to remember seeing him play when it turns out that in fact you're younger than me.

Condescending in describing the fucking truth to you? WOW!!! Grow a spine little one.

And just what did Paddy Driscoll do that rates him among the greats?

Have you ever seen film of him playing? In an era in which quarterback was not nearly as important a position as it is today, he completely dominated the game. He was really one of the first "specialty" players who did NOT play both sides--and that's precisely because he was so good as a quarterback.

That's nice. Today, he would be a pancake on the sideline with injuries.

It has everything to do with it Linus. Just because you know jack shit about Elway shows that you know jackshit about football. Why don't you go peddle your ilk elsewhere because frankly, your illogical biasness is not needed here.

Calm down.

It's football.

You really shouldn't be taking it so personally.

Look, I never said "John Elway sucked." In fact, he was pretty good. But the thing is, in my evaluation (which is hardly ignorant, because I hardly "know jackshit about football") there have been at least ten others who were better. That's all it is. It's not that "John Elway" sucks; it's just that there are ten others who were better.

You're making this out to be a lot more than it actually is.



Condescending in describing the fucking truth to you? WOW!!! Grow a spine little one.

Really, that's hardly necessary, and given the facts of the situation the statement you made was hardly "the...truth".

Calm down.

It's football.

You really shouldn't be taking it so personally.

Look, I never said "John Elway sucked." In fact, he was pretty good. But the thing is, in my evaluation (which is hardly ignorant, because I hardly "know jackshit about football") there have been at least ten others who were better. That's all it is. It's not that "John Elway" sucks; it's just that there are ten others who were better.

No it is because you do not understand how the greats are ranked. He is indeed one of the greatest. Every football analyizer agrees as does the fucking hall of fame committee.

You're making this out to be a lot more than it actually is.

At least I know what I am talking about.

Really, that's hardly necessary, and given the facts of the situation the statement you made was hardly "the...truth".

haha

No it is because you do not understand how the greats are ranked.
No, I really do--I understand how I rank them as well as how others understand them.

He is indeed one of the greatest.
Did I ever say otherwise?

Every football analyizer agrees
(1) The word is "analyst"
(2) If every football "analyst" says J.P. Losman should commit intentional grounding in the end zone every play, should he do it? It's OK to disagree with them if they don't convince you to your satisfaction. Just because they're professional analysts doesn't mean they're always right.
(3) Not every analyst agrees he's one of the ten greatest.

as does the fucking hall of fame committee.
There are way more than ten quarterbacks in the HoF. Thus, being voted into Canton does not make one one of the ten greatest quarterbacks of all time.

At least I know what I am talking about.
That's a very feeble thing to say.

haha
As is that.

Can you really not see how absurd it is for you to suggest that I'm not old enough to remember something when in fact you're younger than me?

Granted, you didn't know that at the time you made that statement. But you also had no way of knowing how old I was, or how long I had been following football, so you still had no basis for saying it.

no drew brees is the best QB

He isn't even the best QB to come out of Purdue. Bob Griese gets that honor.

BOILER UP!!!

No, I really do--I understand how I rank them as well as how others understand them.

Apparently not for if ya did, then you would realize that Elway and Marino are indeed in the top TEN of best QBs if not in the Top Five. I suggest you go back and study football a tad more. It is obvious that you know jack about it.

(1) The word is "analyst"

Yea yea. I know

every football "analyst" says J.P. Losman should commit intentional grounding in the end zone every play, should he do it? It's OK to disagree with them if they don't convince you to your satisfaction. Just because they're professional analysts doesn't mean they're always right.

Intentional grounding in the endzone results in 2 points for the other team. :rolleyes:

every analyst agrees he's one of the ten greatest.

Elway is actually in the top 5! Right behind Montana who is rated the best qb of all time.

There are way more than ten quarterbacks in the HoF. Thus, being voted into Canton does not make one one of the ten greatest quarterbacks of all time.

No just one of the all time greats.

That's a very feeble thing to say.

Tell it to someone who cares.

Can you really not see how absurd it is for you to suggest that I'm not old enough to remember something when in fact you're younger than me?

At least I have studied the game of football since I was old enough to understand the game.

Granted, you didn't know that at the time you made that statement. But you also had no way of knowing how old I was, or how long I had been following football, so you still had no basis for saying it.

And you do not know how long I have been following football either so I suggest we both cool it.

Apparently not for if ya did, then you would realize that Elway and Marino are indeed in the top TEN of best QBs if not in the Top Five. I suggest you go back and study football a tad more. It is obvious that you know jack about it.

Simply because I disagree with you does not mean "I know jack about it".

There are many who have placed both Elway and Marino in their lists of the top ten greatest quarterbacks ever. I have never denied that. But in my own evaluation, Marino only barely cracks the top ten and Elway doesn't even make it. I am not everyone else. I value different things differently than others, so my own evaluation is going to be different. That's how it works.

Intentional grounding in the endzone results in 2 points for the other team. :rolleyes:
That's my whole point--so if every analyst said that that's what he should do, would you agree with them?

Elway is actually in the top 5! Right behind Montana who is rated the best qb of all time.
According to many people, including you. But not me.

No just one of the all time greats.
Again, did I ever say otherwise? All I ever said is that, in my judgment, John Elway is not one of the ten greatest. That's all. And even if I were to argue that he did not belong in Canton at all (which I'm not, not by a long shot), that's really hardly any reason to go apeshit and say "I don't know what I'm talking about".

Reasonable, knowledgeable people can disagree.

At least I have studied the game of football since I was old enough to understand the game.
That really wasn't the point.

And you do not know how long I have been following football either
Have I ever said anything to indicate that I did?

so I suggest we both cool it.
WE cool it?

I have been perfectly calm and polite this whole time--it is you who has chosen to fly off the handle.

Football!?

I say, sir, you seem to be playing woosy rugby.

That's why the average life span of an NFL player is 55 right?

There are many who have placed both Elway and Marino in their lists of the top ten greatest quarterbacks ever. I have never denied that. But in my own evaluation, Marino only barely cracks the top ten and Elway doesn't even make it. I am not everyone else. I value different things differently than others, so my own evaluation is going to be different. That's how it works.

Your evaluation is pathetic if Marino is barely in the top 10. He broke and almost every qb record for almost a decade. Rich Gannon broke the most consecutive passes (44) in 2001 unless I'm mistaken, and then Peyton broke a few after that.

Let me guess, your list looks like:
Peyton
Brady
Vick
Rivers
Culpepper
etc

That’s why the average life span of an NFL player is 55 right?
Pfffft.

55? Here in the UK, rugby players are produce in giant vats, located underneath Sheffield, just because so many get killed during matches.

Most only survive a couple of weeks on the pitch.

And they eat babies.

Live. Babies.

Pfffft.

55? Here in the UK, rugby players are produce in giant vats, located underneath Sheffield, just because so many get killed during matches.

Most only survive a couple of weeks on the pitch.

And they eat babies.

Live. Babies.

NFL players eat babies, and if by babies you mean crack sandwiches laced with HGH and steroids.

Your evaluation is pathetic if Marino is barely in the top 10. He broke and almost every qb record for almost a decade. Rich Gannon broke the most consecutive passes (44) in 2001 unless I'm mistaken, and then Peyton broke a few after that.
Really, breaking records is irrelevant, and passing is only one part of quarterbacking.

Let me guess, your list looks like:
Peyton
Brady
Vick
Rivers
Culpepper
etc

I posted it earlier. It is:

1. Peyton Manning
2. John Unitas
3. Bart Starr
4. Joe Montana
5. Roger Staubach
6. Fran Tarkenton
7. Y. A. Tittle
8. Paddy Driscoll
9. Dan Marino
10. Dan Fouts

Really, breaking records is irrelevant, and passing is only one part of quarterbacking.

I posted it earlier. It is:

1. Peyton Manning
2. John Unitas
3. Bart Starr
4. Joe Montana
5. Roger Staubach
6. Fran Tarkenton
7. Y. A. Tittle
8. Paddy Driscoll
9. Dan Marino
10. Dan Fouts

You seem to contradict yourself because all Peyton can do is pass. He is hardly the fighter that Young was, and no where near as flexible as say Moon or Cunningham. If you mean that he can call audibles on the line of scrimmage you should watch the Steelers/Colts Conference game where he folded like wet cardboard because he simply can't beat a 3-4 defense (a good one anyway).

Your entire list consists of quarterbacks that are overrated due to nostalgia. That and it's obvious you're a Colts fan, because we all know Namath > Unitas :p

You seem to contradict yourself because all Peyton can do is pass. He is hardly the fighter that Young was, and no where near as flexible as say Moon or Cunningham.
Not near as pure an athlete, no.

But he's a fucking genius.

If you mean that he can call audibles on the line of scrimmage you should watch the Steelers/Colts Conference game where he folded like wet cardboard because he simply can't beat a 3-4 defense (a good one anyway).

You know, interesting that you mention that game. It's a testament to how good they (Manning and the rest) actually were that year that the Colts offense only had to show up for a single quarter to make it a game.

Same goes for the AFCCG this year. Against another 3-4, to boot.

I'm trying to remember who else runs a 3-4 in the league...Cleveland is the only one that pops to mind right away, but Cleveland sucks anyway so they don't count.

Your entire list consists of quarterbacks that are overrated due to nostalgia.
Not really. Everyone above was the definitive quarterback of his particular era.

That and it's obvious you're a Colts fan, because we all know Namath > Unitas :p
Well, if you're talking about Super Bowl III, don't forget that Earl Morrall was Baltimore's QB until the end of the third quarter. Can't really put it all on Johnny U.'s shoulders. Plus, it was a single game, not an entire career.

Anyway, anytime I think of Joe Namath the first thing that comes to mind is the Suzy Kolber affair. :D

Oh, and that last sentence also reminds me of my own favorite comparison, which I always bring on a poster when I go to the RCA dome:
18 > 19

:D

Not near as pure an athlete, no.

But he's a fucking genius.



You know, interesting that you mention that game. It's a testament to how good they (Manning and the rest) actually were that year that the Colts offense only had to show up for a single quarter to make it a game.

The refs also helped a great deal. The Palamalu interception comes to mind.



Same goes for the AFCCG this year. Against another 3-4, to boot.

The Patriots never really had the Linebacker depth to run a 3-4, but that was one hell of a game. The Colts took me by surprise. They won the superbowl by running the ball, their defense stopped Kansas City and the Chargers; probably the two most best running offenses in the league compared to the Colts running defense, which up to that point was one of the worst of all time.


I'm trying to remember who else runs a 3-4 in the league...Cleveland is the only one that pops to mind right away, but Cleveland sucks anyway so they don't count.

No they don't. :D


Not really. Everyone above was the definitive quarterback of his particular era.

Joe Thiesman was the definitive quarterback of his era and look what happened to him. *shivers*


Well, if you're talking about Super Bowl III, don't forget that Earl Morrall was Baltimore's QB until the end of the third quarter. Can't really put it all on Johnny U.'s shoulders. Plus, it was a single game, not an entire career.

I was kidding. I was never really a fan of Joe :)

Anyway, anytime I think of Joe Namath the first thing that comes to mind is the Suzy Kolber affair. :D

I would have said the same thing if I was being interviewed by her. :(

Anyway the correct answer to this thread is: Bart Starr. Bart Starr.

NFL players eat babies, and if by babies you mean crack sandwiches laced with HGH and steroids.
I mean both.

And if you haven’t already guessed, I find the idea of millions of people religiously following a number of men prancing about a lawn with a ball rather amusing.

I mean both.

And if you haven’t already guessed, I find the idea of millions of people religiously following a number of men prancing about a lawn with a ball rather amusing.

*hands you a cookie*

Yeah, it's nice for a casual hobby and entertainment, but other than that... Yeesh.

I mean both.

And if you haven’t already guessed, I find the idea of millions of people religiously following a number of men prancing about a lawn with a ball rather amusing.

That prancing is what broke my arm in half two years ago in college, so I would really appreciate a little respect for the sport. If not I'll beat you up. Grrr *flex*

Wow, the thread title scared me for a moment there...



Tell me about it!!! I first read it as Bernard Manning! :eek: