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A hindu temple bull was the other day diagnosed with the first signs of TB while having a check-up. The usual procedure would be to have the bull slaughtered to prevent infection of other livestock and humans. However the leaders of this temple insist that the bull be kept alive as it is central to their hindu beliefs.

The cow is due to be slaughtered on the 21st of May and many "regular" pilgrims to this temple say they will form a human chain around the bull preventing it from being slaughtered.

But what do you think? Should it be slaughtered to prevent an outbreak of TB amongst live stock in an already crippled pastoral farming sector or should it be let to live because of the beliefs of other people and pose a threat to the livelihood of farmers in the area if an infection is passed on?

You Decide

It should be killed. It poses a threat to other cattle.

A hindu temple bull was the other day diagnosed with the first signs of TB while having a check-up. The usual procedure would be to have the bull slaughtered to prevent infection of other livestock and humans. However the leaders of this temple insist that the bull be kept alive as it is central to their hindu beliefs.

The cow is due to be slaughtered on the 21st of May and many "regular" pilgrims to this temple say they will form a human chain around the bull preventing it from being slaughtered.

But what do you think? Should it be slaughtered to prevent an outbreak of TB amongst live stock in an already crippled pastoral farming sector or should it be let to live because of the beliefs of other people and pose a threat to the livelihood of farmers in the area if an infection is passed on?

You Decide

Your view is already obvious. Being the person that I am, I don't think slaughtering the bull is any more appropriete then slaughtering a person because they're sick and it could spread.

The bull should be slaughtered, as should any idiot who tries to stand in the way.

No choice but to have it put down. It's the only way to prevent an outbreak that would result in even more cattle dying.

No choice but to have it put down. It's the only way to prevent an outbreak that would result in even more cattle dying.

...but they're all deities, they'll only resurrect themselves as is their wont

Your view is already obvious.
:confused:

Religions should be allowed to do whatever they want until they start interfering with people who aren't members of that religion's lives, that's when they should be told to shut up and sit down.

Couldn't they just shoot it up with a shitload of powerful antibiotics or something? If not maybe they could quarantine the thing in a particular spot so it doesn't have contact with humans who aren't wearing a surgical mask or with other cattle. If not, kill the thing.

It should be killed. It poses a threat to other cattle.

I might be wrong, but I don't think it actually comes into contact with other cattle.

Why don't they just treat the bull with anti-biotics?

I might be wrong, but I don't think it actually comes into contact with other cattle.

I think I read in a story it's part of a herd owned by the Hindu temple. So unless they've quarantined it themselves, it's probably in contact with other cows. And anyway, if they're not going to kill it, what else will they do? Keep it on it's own for the rest of it's life?

Here's an idea. Send in the SAS, extract the cow, infiltrate another similiar-looking cow, cull the infected cow, and the Hindu's are none the wiser.

Then when they check again, and the cow doesn't have TB anymore, it get celebrated as a miracle, divine intervention, whatever.

Why don't they just treat the bull with anti-biotics?
I believe that in animals euthanasia is preferred in order to make it less likely that the TB bacteria will develop into an antibiotic resistant strain.

Here's an idea. Send in the SAS, extract the cow, infiltrate another similiar-looking cow, cull the infected cow, and the Hindu's are none the wiser.

Then when they check again, and the cow doesn't have TB anymore, it get celebrated as a miracle, divine intervention, whatever.

....and I'd have got away with it too if it weren't for those pesky kids!

....and I'd have got away with it too if it weren't for those pesky kids!

Pesky? I believe you mean "meddling".

No choice but to have it put down. It's the only way to prevent an outbreak that would result in even more cattle dying.

I agree.

I believe that in animals euthanasia is preferred in order to make it less likely that the TB bacteria will develop into an antibiotic resistant strain.wtf?

If letting it live will reult in more cattle dying, then it must be put down, in a humane manner.

There is no such injunction in Hinduism that you should be stupid.

wtf?

He speaks the truth.

If letting it live will reult in more cattle dying, then it must be put down, in a humane manner.

There is no such injunction in Hinduism that you should be stupid.

BTW, are you an Indian Hindu?

wtf?

Yes that is how it is most often done. Don't you know that pathogens, etc.. are able to mutate and adapt to anti-biotics. That is a big problem with modern medicine, you make a vaccination or other cure for a disease, only to have an immune strain of the disease pop up as an endemic a few years later. This happens that the bacterium in one of the treated patients is able to survive due to a genetic mutation/alteration, hence this one survives and is immune to the cure. However the one's without this alteration all die off, meaning only those with the alteration are in the long run left alive. These with no competition left since we humans killed it off, are now able to take the place and run as an endemic, in which case we need to make a new medicine. To which most likely a few will survive again and start the hell circle again.

With cattle and other livestock, it is much simpler to merely cut one's losses slaughter all the infected animals at the first signs of disease and cremate them before it turns into a full endemic. Rather than risk having to study a new medicine in a real emergency due to the "emergency situation" being immune to your stockpiled medicines.

Well obviously my view is already formed. Im not a self proclaimed indifferent neutral pacifist am I?

Well obviously my view is already formed. Im not a self proclaimed indifferent neutral pacifist am I?

Hell-no. And I hope to God you never are.

BTW, are you an Indian Hindu?

Yes.

Yes that is how it is most often done. Don't you know that pathogens, etc.. are able to mutate and adapt to anti-biotics. That is a big problem with modern medicine, you make a vaccination or other cure for a disease, only to have an immune strain of the disease pop up as an endemic a few years later. This happens that the bacterium in one of the treated patients is able to survive due to a genetic mutation/alteration, hence this one survives and is immune to the cure. However the one's without this alteration all die off, meaning only those with the alteration are in the long run left alive. These with no competition left since we humans killed it off, are now able to take the place and run as an endemic, in which case we need to make a new medicine. To which most likely a few will survive again and start the hell circle again.

With cattle and other livestock, it is much simpler to merely cut one's losses slaughter all the infected animals at the first signs of disease and cremate them before it turns into a full endemic. Rather than risk having to study a new medicine in a real emergency due to the "emergency situation" being immune to your stockpiled medicines.How would a tubercle bacterion get off this bull to infect any other animal?

Transmission

TB is spread by aerosol droplets expelled by people with the active disease of the lungs when they cough, sneeze, speak, kiss, spit or use the unsterilized eating utensils of the infected person. These infectious droplets are 0.5 to 5 µm in diameter and about 40,000 can be produced by a single sneeze.
People with prolonged, frequent, or intense contact are at highest risk of becoming infected, with an estimated 22% infection rate. A person with untreated, active tuberculosis can infect 10-15 other people per year.
Others at risk include those from areas where TB is common, patients immunocompromised by conditions such as HIV/AIDS, residents and employees of high-risk congregate settings, health care workers who serve high-risk clients, medically under served, low-income populations, high-risk racial or ethnic minority populations, children exposed to adults in high-risk categories, and people who inject illicit drugs.
Transmission can only occur from people with active—not latent—TB disease. The probability of transmission from one person to another depends upon the quantity of the infectious droplets expelled by the patient, the effectiveness of ventilation, the duration of exposure, and the virulence of the Mycobacterium tuberculosis strain. The chain of transmission can therefore be broken by isolating patients with active disease and starting effective anti-tuberculous therapy.

Yes.

Glad to hear that. We have an expert!

So you think these guys are just being a little on the zealous side or what?

Once again a religion that is beautiful in theory, shows just how silly it is to practice. At least quarantine the bull until dies from the infection, or miraculously recovers.

It should be killed.

We try not to listen to the twisted whims of Christian and Islamic fundamentalists. Why should Hindu fundies be any different?

Glad to hear that. We have an expert!

So you think these guys are just being a little on the zealous side or what?

lol, Not an expert by any means.

I think this is just a "defensive" mindset. I also have noticed a sort of "admiration" by some hindus for Muslim and Christian fundies in how they are "standing up" for their beliefs regardless of how stupid it may seem to others.

This is a sort of reactionary "assertiveness" that is on the rise amongst hindus of late.

Like I said before, IF the bull/cow is a danger to other animals, then the owners must either take care of that problem by themselves or should allow the state to take care of it. They have no business endangering other lives.

If it comes to that, according to Hindu dharma, it is their duty to put it down to save other lives.

*all the above points assuming it is a danger to other lives