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Apologizing: The new face of censorship.

Lunatic Goofballs
12-05-2007, 15:23
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/11/shockjocks.sexcomment.ap/index.html

Another shock jock apologizes. :(

This is becoming a problem. WHy the hell are they shock jocks?!? I mean, their jobs are to...well, shock. Yet whenever they do their jobs a little too well, they back down and apologize. I for one am sick of it.

If I were Opie and/or Anthony(after I got done smashing my own testicles with a ballpeen hammer for being Opie and/or Anthony), I wouldn't apologize. I'd tell the offended parties to go fuck themselves. *nod*

They can't have it both ways. *sigh*

I loved the way Sacha Baron Cohen handled offended parties. He's my hero. :)
Zarakon
12-05-2007, 15:57
Well...

Tasteless asshattery isn't illegal, I guess.
Katganistan
12-05-2007, 16:52
Nope.

Of course if their guest came within arm's length of any of the figures he said he'd like to rape, I wouldn't cry if they pepper-sprayed him into immobility.
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 16:57
O&A apologized? They know better than that. Apologies only make you look weak and encourage more people to call for you to be fired like they did with Imus. I'm very disappointed in my favorite morning radio show.
Zarakon
12-05-2007, 16:59
O&A apologized? They know better than that. Apologies only make you look weak and encourage more people to call for you to be fired like they did with Imus. I'm very disappointed in my favorite morning radio show.

Umm...

I hope your joking.
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 17:03
Umm...

I hope your joking.

No, I'm serious. Apologizing did nothing for Imus. It only gave the people who wanted him fired more attention and airtime and made more people who are easily offended aware of his comments. He should have ignored them.
Zarakon
12-05-2007, 17:03
No, I'm serious. Apologizing did nothing for Imus. It only gave the people who wanted him fired more attention and airtime and made more people who are easily offended aware of his comments. He should have ignored them.

I actually meant about these guys being your favorite morning radio show.
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 17:05
I actually meant about these guys being your favorite morning radio show.

They're my favorite radio show. I also like Ron and Fez and Nick DiPaolo.
Zarakon
12-05-2007, 17:07
They're my favorite radio show. I also like Ron and Fez and Nick DiPaolo.

Ah.

I didn't expect you to like shockey shows.
The Nazz
12-05-2007, 17:09
I don't see why they apologized either--it's not like they meant it. I wouldn't shed a tear if neither of them ever worked in radio again, mind you--they're misogynist dirtbags.
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 17:10
Ah.

I didn't expect you to like shockey shows.

Come on now. Who doesn't love pedophile jokes, making fun of the homeless and handicapped, and Anthony's impression of Andrew Dice Gay?
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 17:11
I don't see why they apologized either--it's not like they meant it. I wouldn't shed a tear if neither of them ever worked in radio again, mind you--they're misogynist dirtbags.

They still have a right to free speech and I still have a right to listen to them.
The Nazz
12-05-2007, 17:12
Come on now. Who doesn't love pedophile jokes, making fun of the homeless and handicapped, and Anthony's impression of Andrew Dice Gay?

What's funny about picking on the powerless? That's pathetic, not funny, at least to me. Humor, to me, comes from jabbing at the powerful.
The Nazz
12-05-2007, 17:13
They still have a right to free speech and I still have a right to listen to them.

They sure do--they have the right to stand on the street corner and say whatever the hell they want. But a right to free speech does not equal a right to a radio show.
Lunatic Goofballs
12-05-2007, 17:18
I don't see why they apologized either--it's not like they meant it. I wouldn't shed a tear if neither of them ever worked in radio again, mind you--they're misogynist dirtbags.

It's their job. I'm not saying it's a good job or a bad job. I'm not even going to rate their performance at their job(though I think they suck. :p ). But I don't think they should apologize for doing their job.
The Nazz
12-05-2007, 17:23
It's their job. I'm not saying it's a good job or a bad job. I'm not even going to rate their performance at their job(though I think they suck. :p ). But I don't think they should apologize for doing their job.

Oh, I agree. The real hypocrites in both the Opie and Anthony story and the Imus story are the corporate suits who are demanding the apologies and threatening their job prospects as though they didn't know what they were getting when they hired the people.
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 17:23
What's funny about picking on the powerless? That's pathetic, not funny, at least to me. Humor, to me, comes from jabbing at the powerful.

It's all in how it's done. You can bust someone's balls without being an asshole about it. My friends and I do that crap to each other all the time.

One of the things they do with the homeless is the annual homeless shopping spree. They give the homeless cash, put them on a bus and let them loose on high-end malls. The humor comes in watching the upper class shoppers and the clerks in expensive stores react to a busload of homeless folks descending on them.
Ashmoria
12-05-2007, 17:25
i was (unfortunately) listening to the sean hannity radio show when he was discussing this incident (why do i torture myself this way?)

he fully supported O&A's right to be vile on their (unregulated satellite) radio show.

his theory is that no one is really upset about them going on and on about their desire to rape condoleeza rice. they are just working their way up to being able to censor rush limbaugh and SEAN HANNITY!

so any conservative who wants O&A to be censored is playing into the hands of moveon.org and its ilk who want to silence conservative radio.

so i guess im all in favor of silencing these vile men and their radio show....

no thats not it.

i dont give a damn about what shock jocks say or about their needing to apologize. (it wasnt much of an apology) i just wonder why anyone would be willing to listen to such awful men.
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 17:26
They sure do--they have the right to stand on the street corner and say whatever the hell they want. But a right to free speech does not equal a right to a radio show.

It does if people are willing to listen and subscribe. In the end they're there to create an audience that will pay to listen to them and support their sponsors. They do that quite well.
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 17:28
i was (unfortunately) listening to the sean hannity radio show when he was discussing this incident (why do i torture myself this way?)

he fully supported O&A's right to be vile on their (unregulated satellite) radio show.

his theory is that no one is really upset about them going on and on about their desire to rape condoleeza rice. they are just working their way up to being able to censor rush limbaugh and SEAN HANNITY!

so any conservative who wants O&A to be censored is playing into the hands of moveon.org and its ilk who want to silence conservative radio.

so i guess im all in favor of silencing these vile men and their radio show....

no thats not it.

i dont give a damn about what shock jocks say or about their needing to apologize. (it wasnt much of an apology) i just wonder why anyone would be willing to listen to such awful men.

Because they can be really funny. If it's not your style of humor, so be it. Nobody's forcing you to listen.
Deus Malum
12-05-2007, 17:30
They're my favorite radio show. I also like Ron and Fez and Nick DiPaolo.

So you're saying you don't like The Radio Chick or JV & Elvis?
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 17:31
So you're saying you don't like The Radio Chick or JV & Elvis?

Radio Chick is OK. JV and Elvis kinda blow in my opinion, but I don't like the way that Asian group is trying to get them canned.
Ashmoria
12-05-2007, 17:34
Because they can be really funny. If it's not your style of humor, so be it. Nobody's forcing you to listen.

absolutely. im not interested in censoring XM radio. people pay to hear it. if thats what they want to listen to, and if there are enough of them to make it profitable, well, thats the american way eh?
Deus Malum
12-05-2007, 17:34
Radio Chick is OK. JV and Elvis kinda blow in my opinion, but I don't like the way that Asian group is trying to get them canned.

Wow. We actually have polar opposite taste in radio shows.

Though I do on occasion listen to Nick DiPaolo.
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 17:36
Wow. We actually have polar opposite taste in radio shows.

Though I do on occasion listen to Nick DiPaolo.

I happen to live right between the Philly and NY markets and during JV and Elvis I tune in to Barsky on 94.1 free fm. His show is about as good as the Radio Chick.
The Nazz
12-05-2007, 18:08
It does if people are willing to listen and subscribe. In the end they're there to create an audience that will pay to listen to them and support their sponsors. They do that quite well.

That's not a right, and it's not like the government is threatening to come in and shut them down. If it were, then I'd be right beside you saying they ought to have the right to be as offensive as they want to be or as often as their employers are willing to bear. But as with Imus, the pressure is extra-governmental (to the extent that there's any pressure at all).
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 18:40
That's not a right, and it's not like the government is threatening to come in and shut them down. If it were, then I'd be right beside you saying they ought to have the right to be as offensive as they want to be or as often as their employers are willing to bear. But as with Imus, the pressure is extra-governmental (to the extent that there's any pressure at all).

OK, but it's still bullshit. The people up in arms about the nappy ho comment, most of them don't even listen to Imus. I'll bet the women on the basketball team who were so devastated by the comment aren't among his listeners. Even with all the publicity which brought the comment to light and got more people pissed off, there wouldn't be any lasting boycott of the company's sponsors. It would last maybe a week. I'd like to see the station owners have some loyalty to their talent and think about their long term interests. If they set a precedent of caving in whenever a couple of people are offended they won't be able to put on any shows capable of drawing in ratings and the whole industry will collapse.
New Genoa
12-05-2007, 19:07
Wait they apologized to the public officials? What fucking bullshit.

And about the government not coming in...

The remarks could become an issue as XM seeks approval from the Federal Communications Commission to merge with New York-based Sirius Satellite Radio, said Tom Taylor, editor of the trade magazine Inside Radio.
OcceanDrive
12-05-2007, 19:58
"There are many job opportunities in the US and of A. For men, construction worker, taxi driver or accountant. For woman, prostitute." I wouldn't apologize. I'd tell the offended parties to go fuck themselves. *nod*

They can't have it both ways. *sigh*

I loved the way Sacha Baron Cohen handled offended parties. He's my hero. :)LOL.. yeah.. Cohen is a crazy Muttafucker :D
Agawamawaga
12-05-2007, 20:05
Well, I guess they haven't come far from their "roots", if you will.

They do have a habit of being totally inappropriate, and have gotten fired at least once for it.

However, on XM, from what I understand (which isn't alot), is that it is unregulated for the most part. If that is the case, then they can say whatever they want, and don't need to apologize to anyone.

They are an "interesting" pair to say the least. Have they joked about anyones death in a fiery car crash lately?
Luporum
12-05-2007, 20:20
What's funny about picking on the powerless? That's pathetic, not funny, at least to me. Humor, to me, comes from jabbing at the powerful.

You cannot win DCD, Nazz has the moral high ground!
Drunk commies deleted
12-05-2007, 20:31
You cannot win DCD, Nazz has the moral high ground!

Anyone who adheres to some sort of morality has already lost.
Katganistan
12-05-2007, 20:49
Oh, I agree. The real hypocrites in both the Opie and Anthony story and the Imus story are the corporate suits who are demanding the apologies and threatening their job prospects as though they didn't know what they were getting when they hired the people.

Which is why Imus is considering suing, given that his contract CALLED for him to be controversial and stated he could NOT be fired without a written warning.
Zarakon
12-05-2007, 23:23
Anyone who adheres to some sort of morality has already lost.

...Just as a guess, is that the part where DCD does a really cool backflip, but loses the argument anyway and becomes Darth DCD, a merciless force for anti-censorship throughout the galaxy?
Ifreann
12-05-2007, 23:37
Shock jocks who apologise should be stripped of the title.
CthulhuFhtagn
13-05-2007, 00:22
No, I'm serious. Apologizing did nothing for Imus. It only gave the people who wanted him fired more attention and airtime and made more people who are easily offended aware of his comments. He should have ignored them.

Imus was fired because his ratings sucked. That just gave an excuse to end the contract.
The Nazz
13-05-2007, 00:44
Wait they apologized to the public officials? What fucking bullshit.

And about the government not coming in...
The merger has enough other issues that this won't be one. The two really aren't related, as regulation of satellite content is currently outside the FCC's purview. It's not broadcast, so it doesn't have to follow the same obscenity rulings. They would have to completely rework their regs and get some highly favorable rulings from the courts, I believe, to be able to start regulating satellite and cable for content.
The Nazz
13-05-2007, 00:46
You cannot win DCD, Nazz has the moral high ground!

Has nothing to do with morality--I'm just expressing my idea of funny, and frankly, the way DCD described what they do with the homeless fits in with my idea of what's funny, because the people being mocked aren't the homeless--it's the snobs in the high end stores, both the customers and the employees.
Zarakon
13-05-2007, 18:58
Let's bring this back. I want to see DCD's response.