NationStates Jolt Archive

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070509/thl-us-heatlh-cancer-0b0437e.html

Oral sex may increase risk of throat cancer: study
AFP
AFP - Wednesday, May 9 11:23 pm

CHICAGO (AFP) - A common virus, believed to be transmitted during oral sex, is the cause of a rare throat cancer in both men and women, US researchers said Wednesday.

The study is the first to prove the link between the human papillomavirus or HPV -- the leading cause of cervical cancer -- and oropharyngeal cancer, according to the paper published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Researchers at Johns Hopkins University, Maryland, who studied 100 men and women newly diagnosed with the rare malignancy and 200 healthy people found that a common strain of HPV -- HPV 16 -- was present in 72 percent of tumours.

Patients whose blood or saliva samples indicated that they had prior HPV infection were 32 times more likely to develop oropharnygeal cancer, which affects the throat, tonsils and back of the tongue.

And those people who had had more than six oral sex partners were 8.6 times more likely to develop the HPV-linked cancer.

The figures establish HPV infection as the greatest risk factor for this type of cancer, overturning previous theories blaming a pack-a-day smoking habit for 20 years, or regular heavy alcohol consumption over 15 years.

"It is important for health care providers to know that people without the traditional risk factors of tobacco and alcohol can nevertheless be at risk for oropharyngeal cancer," said Gypsyamber D'Souza, a co-author and assistant scientist.

Most HPV infections clear with little or no symptoms, but a small percentage of men and women who acquire cancer-causing or "high-risk" strains, such as HPV 16, may develop a cancer.

"People should be reassured that oropharyngeal cancer is relatively uncommon and the overwhelming majority of people with an oral HPV infection probably will not get throat cancer," said study author Maura Gillison.

Scientists are still puzzled as to why some people shrug the virus off, while others get sick from it, but they say that there is good reason to believe the virus is transmitted through oral sex.

HPV can be found in saliva, semen and urine, but has a particular affinity for the mucosal skin cells of the penis and vagina.

Oral cancers linked to HPV have been on the rise in the United States since 1973, a trend that may be driven in part by the popularity of oral sex among American teens, the authors said.

In the light of the increasing incidence of the cancer, authorities should consider programs to vaccinate boys as well as girls against some of the most dangerous strains of HPV, the authors wrote.

Another study published in the journal Wednesday, showed that the first vaccine against cervical cancer, which went on the market in 2006, has proved nearly 100 percent effective.

The vaccine, known as Gardasil, developed by Merck and Company was tested in a large clinical trials of 12,000 women aged 15 to 26, who had not been infected by HPV, and were followed for three years.

Half the group, in hospitals across 13 countries, were vaccinated, the other half received a placebo.

"These clinical trials have consistent efficacy around 98 percent. And severe reactions to the vaccine appear to be rare," said Dr Kevin Ault, one of the co-authors of the study.

Well that is a shocker although the news regarding the cervical cancer vaccine is good.

So....mandatory vaccinations all round?

Yay for not getting any blowjobs! Yay!







Oh wait......





:(

God, first they made sex dangerous, then alcohol, then smoking.
Now they want to take oral sex away from us aswell????

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070509/thl-us-heatlh-cancer-0b0437e.html



Well that is a shocker although the news regarding the cervical cancer vaccine is good.

So....mandatory vaccinations all round?:eek: :(

:eek:

OK...


I'm still not gonna give it up.:p

Hm. I might need to schedule an appointment with my doctor for a vaccination...

Scientists are still puzzled as to why some people shrug the virus off, while others get sick from it, but they say that there is good reason to believe the virus is transmitted through oral sex.Whew. My immune system is most excellent, never had a herpes cold sore in my life, so yay.

Oral cancers linked to HPV have been on the rise in the United States since 1973, a trend that may be driven in part by the popularity of oral sex among American teens, the authors said.:rolleyes: Pet peeve. "Because that's totally not sex!" How fucking annoying and Clintonesque.

Well that is a shocker although the news regarding the cervical cancer vaccine is good.

So....mandatory vaccinations all round?To finally answer the OPs question... Definitely!

<snip>

Vaccines in general are good.

Vaccines in general are good.Did you have to quote me? Realized my reading comprehension sucked and edited my post...<.<

Vaccines in general are good.I agree. Let's vaccinate General ASAP.

*Ghasp!* Concidering the amount of oral I've given and recived, I probably got it already... Might aswell start smoking again since I'm doomed from teh 0ralz sexx0rz...

God, first they made sex dangerous, then alcohol, then smoking.
Now they want to take oral sex away from us aswell????

I'm pretty sure oral sex became dangerous at the same time as other forms of sex

:eek:

OK...


I'm still not gonna give it up.:p

Yeah...that was my reaction. :p

Did you have to quote me? Realized my reading comprehension sucked and edited my post...<.<
Fixed. :)
I agree. Let's vaccinate General ASAP.

Everyone line up and drop your pants. This won't hurt a bit.

Until I jab you with this needle!

Bloody Dam researchers taken the fun out of life

Whew. My immune system is most excellent, never had a herpes cold sore in my life, so yay.

Yeah. Same here.

:rolleyes: Pet peeve. "Because that's totally not sex!" How fucking annoying and Clintonesque.

ummm....you sorta lost me here!

To finally answer the OPs question... Definitely!

Well this is one area where I am not too sure. I understand mandatory vaccinations for diseases like Polio and the various 'poxes' as it is a matter of chance if you get them. There is little you can do by changing your behavior to prevent getting the disease.

However you can stop oral sex.

Mandatory is one of those things that should only be done if you are facing a danger that can/has impacted on a large majority of people.

Then we come to the issue of cervical cancer. Well that is a problem and if mandatory vaccinations can prevent it then yeah I am for it. Male and female vaccinations.

I agree. Let's vaccinate General ASAP.

Damn, you beat me to it. :p

Though I think what General needs most is rabies vaccine...

Damn, you beat me to it. :p

Though I think what General needs most is rabies vaccine...

Have they perfected the stupid vaccine yet?

Mandatory is one of those things that should only be done if you are facing a danger that can/has impacted on a large majority of people.


I would have added situations in which it is more cost effective to vaccinate than pay for medical care later on

:rolleyes: Pet peeve. "Because that's totally not sex!" How fucking annoying and Clintonesque. ummm....you sorta lost me here!

"That woman" gave Bill Clinton oral sex, remember? And yet:
I did not have sexual relations with that woman
Clear now? :p

Have they perfected the stupid vaccine yet?

Apparantly not.

I would have added situations in which it is more cost effective to vaccinate than pay for medical care later on

Well the problem there is that you will end up vaccinating for everything (who knows how all these vaccinations will interact...and lead to adaptations in the virus that makes current drugs useless....TB being a case in point)....and that could well lead down the road to actually controlling people and how they handle their health.

Its a trade off between a total nanny state and a completely unregulated state.

What is the median? Can you do this for all drugs or pick and choose which drugs should be used?

How far should personal choice affect your life in the eyes of the state?

Everyone line up and drop your pants. This won't hurt a bit. Everyone, drop your pants.

...what? So what if I don't have a vaccine with me?

Damn, you beat me to it. :p

Though I think what General needs most is rabies vaccine...Perhaps a troll vaccine?

"That woman" gave Bill Clinton oral sex, remember? And yet:

Clear now? :p

Doh! Yeah...I keep forgetting about Bills slick willie...!

Fixed. :):fluffle:


ummm....you sorta lost me here!"That woman" gave Bill Clinton oral sex, remember? And yet:

Clear now? :pThat, and I seem to remember very clearly that at one point during some hearing or other, he actually said that oral sex was not sex.
And I guess I just have a personal "WTF?!" problem with kids saying (and it does seem to be a mainly American phenomenon) "Oh, we're not having sex yet! All we ever do is anal and oral. :)"

WTF?!

Well this is one area where I am not too sure. I understand mandatory vaccinations for diseases like Polio and the various 'poxes' as it is a matter of chance if you get them. There is little you can do by changing your behavior to prevent getting the disease.

However you can stop oral sex.

Mandatory is one of those things that should only be done if you are facing a danger that can/has impacted on a large majority of people.

Then we come to the issue of cervical cancer. Well that is a problem and if mandatory vaccinations can prevent it then yeah I am for it. Male and female vaccinations.Well.... using your own argument, one could just as easily say that "Not only is nobody forced to have oral sex, nobody is forced to have sex, period. Don't want to get cervical cancer? Easy, never have sex."

Granted, never having intercourse at all is a tad harder to accomplish than never having oral sex, but still - both of these cancers, if caused by a herpes virus, are dependent on having had sex.

Well the problem there is that you will end up vaccinating for everything (who knows how all these vaccinations will interact...and lead to adaptations in the virus that makes current drugs useless....TB being a case in point)....and that could well lead down the road to actually controlling people and how they handle their health.

Its a trade off between a total nanny state and a completely unregulated state.

What is the median? Can you do this for all drugs or pick and choose which drugs should be used?

How far should personal choice affect your life in the eyes of the state?
Personally, I just would think that after years of having been considered "mostly harmless", if we now find out that there are several strains of herpes that are in fact harmful after all, why not vaccinate against them, seeing how they don't seem to exactly be as rare as say, yellow fever, around here.
But probably some doctor will come along here sooner and later and point out that I have no clue what I'm talking about. <.<

Doh! Yeah...I keep forgetting about Bills slick willie...!He would be so disappointed. :p

:fluffle:


That, and I seem to remember very clearly that at one point during some hearing or other, he actually said that oral sex was not sex.
And I guess I just have a personal "WTF?!" problem with kids saying (and it does seem to be a mainly American phenomenon) "Oh, we're not having sex yet! All we ever do is anal and oral. :)"

Them young Americans are strange indeed. I recall coming across the term "half a virgin" somewhere. Awfully foolish.

In the light of the increasing incidence of the cancer, authorities should consider programs to vaccinate boys as well as girls against some of the most dangerous strains of HPV, the authors wrote.
No fucking way that is going to go over. They are barely getting it into girls because of all the "it encourages sex!" bullshit. No way they will get it into boys. All sorts of issues will be raised about how it supports homosexuality.

Well this news sucks...

No fucking way that is going to go over. They are barely getting it into girls because of all the "it encourages sex!" bullshit. No way they will get it into boys. All sorts of issues will be raised about how it supports homosexuality.

Every time I hear some idiot spouting off about how birth control or STD vaccines encourage sex, I want to scream, "Being alive encourages sex!"

Hell, I remember being a teenager. All of those raginig hormones were what were encouraging sex, not easy access to birth control. :rolleyes:

That, and I seem to remember very clearly that at one point during some hearing or other, he actually said that oral sex was not sex.
And I guess I just have a personal "WTF?!" problem with kids saying (and it does seem to be a mainly American phenomenon) "Oh, we're not having sex yet! All we ever do is anal and oral. :)"

WTF?!

Yeah. That is quite incredible. One reason why I do support proper no holds barred sex education in the classroom.

Well.... using your own argument, one could just as easily say that "Not only is nobody forced to have oral sex, nobody is forced to have sex, period. Don't want to get cervical cancer? Easy, never have sex."

Granted, never having intercourse at all is a tad harder to accomplish than never having oral sex, but still - both of these cancers, if caused by a herpes virus, are dependent on having had sex.

Not really. We need sex to procreate. Of course in a way it comes down to if you view sex as a mechanism for procreation or as a 'fun' activity or in the middle of the two.


Personally, I just would think that after years of having been considered "mostly harmless", if we now find out that there are several strains of herpes that are in fact harmful after all, why not vaccinate against them, seeing how they don't seem to exactly be as rare as say, yellow fever, around here.
But probably some doctor will come along here sooner and later and point out that I have no clue what I'm talking about. <.<

Does herpes kill or maim?


He would be so disappointed. :p

LOL I am sure he is ;)

Not really. We need sex to procreate. Of course in a way it comes down to if you view sex as a mechanism for procreation or as a 'fun' activity or in the middle of the two. Meh, you're right I guess.

Of course the fundies that are against the cervical cancer vaccinations counter that "Well, if both you and your spouse stay abstinent before marriage, and never have an affair of course, you'll be safe!" So to them, getting cervical cancer and getting throat cancer would be equal, if caused by herpes.


Does herpes kill or maim?Well, yeah. Your article says so. Some strains of herpes can indeed kill or maim by giving you cancer.
(again, I don't really know enough about the medical side of this to even know how many strains there actually are or if vaccines would have to be tailored to each of them or if there could be one "master vaccine").

Well the problem there is that you will end up vaccinating for everything (who knows how all these vaccinations will interact...and lead to adaptations in the virus that makes current drugs useless....TB being a case in point)

I mention this only because I'm a microbiology/infectious diseases geek, but...

Antigenic variation (aka changes to the germ) is why we can't make effective vaccines against HIV and Trypanosoma brucei (the parasite that causes African sleeping sickness).

TB, however, is a bacterium with a very thick, waxy coat. We can't make any good vaccines against it because it's really hard to convince the immune system to make permanent immunity against polysaccharide antigens. TB doesn't have to adapt at all -- it's hard for our immune system to fight by its very nature.

Lest anyone quote me and say, "Well, actually...", I KNOW it's more complicated than that, but just because I'm a total geek doesn't mean I have to make everyone else suffer my geekspeak. ;)

I mention this only because I'm a microbiology/infectious diseases geek, but...

Antigenic variation (aka changes to the germ) is why we can't make effective vaccines against HIV and Trypanosoma brucei (the parasite that causes African sleeping sickness).

TB, however, is a bacterium with a very thick, waxy coat. We can't make any good vaccines against it because it's really hard to convince the immune system to make permanent immunity against polysaccharide antigens. TB doesn't have to adapt at all -- it's hard for our immune system to fight by its very nature.

Lest anyone quote me and say, "Well, actually...", I KNOW it's more complicated than that, but just because I'm a total geek doesn't mean I have to make everyone else suffer my geekspeak. ;)You're also one hell of a lurker. :eek:
And I didn't know that about TB, so that was interesting.

Meh, you're right I guess.

Of course the fundies that are against the cervical cancer vaccinations counter that "Well, if both you and your spouse stay abstinent before marriage, and never have an affair of course, you'll be safe!" So to them, getting cervical cancer and getting throat cancer would be equal, if caused by herpes.

Yeah...true. Whats that saying?

All the fun things in life are either dangerous, illegal or fattening...


Well, yeah. Your article says so. Some strains of herpes can indeed kill or maim by giving you cancer.
(again, I don't really know enough about the medical side of this to even know how many strains there actually are or if vaccines would have to be tailored to each of them or if there could be one "master vaccine").

Damn. I was too glib.

I should have said along the lines of a major global killer/maimer like polio was...

I mention this only because I'm a microbiology/infectious diseases geek, but...

Antigenic variation (aka changes to the germ) is why we can't make effective vaccines against HIV and Trypanosoma brucei (the parasite that causes African sleeping sickness).

TB, however, is a bacterium with a very thick, waxy coat. We can't make any good vaccines against it because it's really hard to convince the immune system to make permanent immunity against polysaccharide antigens. TB doesn't have to adapt at all -- it's hard for our immune system to fight by its very nature.

Lest anyone quote me and say, "Well, actually...", I KNOW it's more complicated than that, but just because I'm a total geek doesn't mean I have to make everyone else suffer my geekspeak. ;)

TB is sugar coated :p

Hm. I'm still not giving it up, sorry.

God, first they made sex dangerous, then alcohol, then smoking.
Now they want to take oral sex away from us aswell????

*sniff* it's just not fair...

IT'S JUST NOT FAIR!!

I mention this only because I'm a microbiology/infectious diseases geek, but...

Antigenic variation (aka changes to the germ) is why we can't make effective vaccines against HIV and Trypanosoma brucei (the parasite that causes African sleeping sickness).

TB, however, is a bacterium with a very thick, waxy coat. We can't make any good vaccines against it because it's really hard to convince the immune system to make permanent immunity against polysaccharide antigens. TB doesn't have to adapt at all -- it's hard for our immune system to fight by its very nature.

Lest anyone quote me and say, "Well, actually...", I KNOW it's more complicated than that, but just because I'm a total geek doesn't mean I have to make everyone else suffer my geekspeak. ;)

Ummm...not too sure regarding TB...it has adapted to our vaccines.

And we've not even touched on MRSA...(bacterial)

Whew. My immune system is most excellent, never had a herpes cold sore in my life, so yay.
I'm pretty sure that herpes and HPV are different.

:rolleyes: Pet peeve. "Because that's totally not sex!" How fucking annoying and Clintonesque.
Oral isn't sex.

I'm pretty sure that herpes and HPV are different.


Oral isn't sex.

Wonder how it got that name then?

I'm pretty sure that herpes and HPV are different.


Oral isn't sex.

Isn't HPV Genital Warts? <.< >.> I was reading up on the HPV Vaccine controversy, you weirdos.

Wonder how it got that name then?

HPV = Human Pappiloma (sp?) Virus. Not same as Herpes Simplex Virus.

Wonder how it got that name then?
Its proper names... fellatio and cunnilingus? Well, I'm not sure where fellatio came from, but cunnilingus probably came from something to do with a **** and a tongue.

At any rate oral = foreplay.

Isn't HPV Genital Warts? <.< >.> I was reading up on the HPV Vaccine controversy, you weirdos.
There are different possible causes of different warts.

Herpes is with you for life. As far as I know, HPV isn't.

HPV = Human Pappiloma (sp?) Virus. Not same as Herpes Simplex Virus.

I meant oral sex.....

I meant oral sex.....
You mean fellatio and/or cunnilingus?

You mean fellatio and/or cunnilingus?

>.>
<.<
*fails*

There are different possible causes of different warts.

Herpes is with you for life. As far as I know, HPV isn't.

Yes it is :(

Also: In your opinion, does anal count as sex? Because if it does, I'm curious what your criteria are for distinguishing what is sex (anal) and what isn't (oral) when both involve penetration.

At least in the case of fellatio.

Yes it is :(

Also: In your opinion, does anal count as sex? Because if it does, I'm curious what your criteria are for distinguishing what is sex (anal) and what isn't (oral) when both involve penetration.
Oral doesn't always involve penetration. It involves mouth on genitals. It's really sad that some people seem to think of oral as being something that is exclusively done to men.

Also, by your logic (penetration = sex) then fingering is also sex.

Oral doesn't always involve penetration. It involves mouth on genitals. It's really sad that some people seem to think of oral as being something that is exclusively done to men.

Also, by your logic (penetration = sex) then fingering is also sex.

I edited my post when I realized my mistake. I had meant fellatio in particular, largely because I agree that cunnilingus is foreplay.

I edited my post when I realized my mistake. I had meant fellatio in particular, largely because I agree that cunnilingus is foreplay.
So one form of oral sex isn't sex and the other is?

Its proper names... fellatio and cunnilingus? Well, I'm not sure where fellatio came from, but cunnilingus probably came from something to do with a **** and a tongue.

At any rate oral = foreplay.

Which all come under the general heading of sex as far as I am concerned.

Like physics is a part of science...sexual stimulation is a part of sex.

Which all come under the general heading of sex as far as I am concerned.

Like physics is a part of science...sexual stimulation is a part of sex.
So kissing is sex? Talking dirty over the phone is sex? Masturbation is sex?

Damn. I was too glib.

I should have said along the lines of a major global killer/maimer like polio was...Oh,well, I was more thinking along the lines of mandatory vaccinations for measles, chickenpox et.al. I'd very much think that the cancers described in your article are on par with that. Not as infectious, certainly, but usually more dire in consequences.

I'm pretty sure that herpes and HPV are different.:eek: :rolleyes: Oh my God, I'm such a fucktard! >.<

I can't believe you guys let me rattle on about Herpes and different strains and whatnot when all the time I'm talking about the wrong thing! >.<

I totally saw the H and the P in the name and my brain made it "Herpes!". Yeah, I know, but that's how the stupid thing works sometimes.

And I totally knew that it's not fucking herpes that causes cervical cancer, either. Sheesh.

I'll just have to link to this post for the remainder of this thread when people yell at me for being shtoopid... >.<


Oral isn't sex.
Oh yes? How so? What is your definition of sex?

Oh yes? How so? What is your definition of sex?
I don't really have a general one. As far as my body is concerned, it would be penile penetration of my vagina. However, this sort of definition doesn't really cut it at all for same sex couples... I suppose I would include anal sex and perhaps fisting... I know there are other things that girls do to one another but I don't know what they tend to involve.

Oral Sex - Appetizers...not the full on course, or...sex.

Simple as that.

It's a 'sexual activity' as it causes the same hormonal reactions, if not just about the same but it isn't really "sex". It's "stimulation", sex is defined as "intercourse". Socially/Culturally, many things are defined as "sex". So, I believe the best answer here is - "Sex is in the eye of the beholder", it's not always going to be the same in everyone's point of view.

If that made sense, yay...if not...oh well, I don't care not really my argument anyways :P

So kissing is sex? Talking dirty over the phone is sex? Masturbation is sex?

A part of.

At any rate oral = foreplay.So then you've never had a session of sex that consisted only of oral sex?

So then you've never had a session of sex that consisted only of oral sex?

or whole relationships

Oral Sex - Appetizers...not the full on course, or...sex.

Simple as that.

It's a 'sexual activity' as it causes the same hormonal reactions, if not just about the same but it isn't really "sex". It's "stimulation", sex is defined as "intercourse". Socially/Culturally, many things are defined as "sex". So, I believe the best answer here is - "Sex is in the eye of the beholder", it's not always going to be the same in everyone's point of view.

If that made sense, yay...if not...oh well, I don't care not really my argument anyways :P

oral what?


oral sex is sex, it's not intercourse.....:rolleyes:

anyway, yeah, sex is all kinds of dangerous. You could end up with some life long complication, like AIDS, or herpes, or children......

You mean fellatio and/or cunnilingus?

Oddly enough, I was thinking that question as well.

anyway, yeah, sex is all kinds of dangerous. You could end up with some life long complication, like AIDS, or herpes, or children......

Not to mention the horribly embarrasing short term complications involving breaking quite sensitive parts of your anatomy :( stupid girlfriend with her stupid random changes of direction

Isn't HPV Genital Warts? <.< >.> I was reading up on the HPV Vaccine controversy, you weirdos.

some forms of it can cause warts, some forms of it cause no symptoms and no problems and just goes away, some forms cause no symptoms and no problems until you wake up one day with cervical cancer.

oral sex is sex, it's not intercourse.....:rolleyes:

Intercourse is the same thing as sex.

oral what?


oral sex is sex, it's not intercourse.....:rolleyes:

anyway, yeah, sex is all kinds of dangerous. You could end up with some life long complication, like AIDS, or herpes, or children......

-_- Well like I said it came out in a very dyslexic way again, yay for me and mental thinking-speaking-typing disabilities...I think...

Anyways, :P Yes...Children...

Actually, that was pretty funny to read.

Not to mention the horribly embarrasing short term complications involving breaking quite sensitive parts of your anatomy :( stupid girlfriend with her stupid random changes of direction

ouch dude.

that sucks.

whatcha break? (totally don't wanna know if it was something that's actually sprained and not really broken if you catch me)

Hubby broke my shoulder once......well, I mean he didn't but it got broke, and it hurt really bad.....and it was a fun story for the ER doctor. "well, we were....being intimate, and....."

ouch dude.

that sucks.

whatcha break? (totally don't wanna know if it was something that's actually sprained and not really broken if you catch me)

Hubby broke my shoulder once......well, I mean he didn't but it got broke, and it hurt really bad.....and it was a fun story for the ER doctor. "well, we were....being intimate, and....."

Imagine having to go to the hospital you study at and explain things to doctors who teach you regularly :(

Intercourse is the same thing as sex.

nope. intercourse is intercourse.....sex is......nevermind I don't know how to explain it.

I would say that oral sex is sexual activity, hows that?

nope. intercourse is intercourse.....sex is......nevermind I don't know how to explain it.

The problem with broadening terms of "sex" is that in doing so you can broaden it so far as to render the concept meaningless.

OK, so oral sex is sex.

What about manual stimulation with hands? That's oral sex, just with finders instead of a mouth.

Then what about using a toy, it's not a hand, but it's held in a hand.

What about kissing breasts, still a sexual area...

What about just feeling them?

How about just feeling them over a bra?

The problem then becomes, what is defining sex? That which is sexually stimulating? That which can result in orgasm? If you make the topic so broad I can fit things in it that nobody would consider, in any way, sex.

I would say that oral sex is sexual activity, hows that?

That I would think is appropriate.

The truth about cancer.

Everything causes cancer.

Cancer can happen on its own.

If it doesn't cause cancer it likely has some other deadly side affects.

It can have other deadly side affects and still cause cancer.

Talking about things that cause cancer causes stress, which can lead to cancer.

We lose, face it.


Eventually some day scientist will give up and say "Everything causes cancer." The, knowing how the human species is the billions going into researching potential causes of cancer will go into research for potential things that do not cause cancer... and nothing will get any better.

This just in....living will kill you!

The truth about cancer.

Everything causes cancer.

Cancer can happen on its own.

If it doesn't cause cancer it likely has some other deadly side affects.

It can have other deadly side affects and still cause cancer.

Talking about things that cause cancer causes stress, which can lead to cancer.

We lose, face it.


Eventually some day scientist will give up and say "Everything causes cancer." The, knowing how the human species is the billions going into researching potential causes of cancer will go into research for potential things that do not cause cancer... and nothing will get any better.

The truth about cancer.

Everything causes cancer.

If it doesn't cause cancer it likely has some other deadly side affects.


Those two sentences kind of contradict dont you think

Oh and in response to your first claim i'd like to put forward chemotherapy as an example against it

God, first they made sex dangerous, then alcohol, then smoking.
Now they want to take oral sex away from us aswell????

Relax, hun. Here's the key words: "rare malignancy." This is one of those cases where they put out a scare, but the numbers don't back it up. You're still more likely to be hit by lightning or win the lottery than die from oral sex, so you don't have to retire the kneepads :fluffle:

This just in....living will kill you!

Yesh, life itself is a sexually transmitted, terminal disease ;)

Those two sentences kind of contradict dont you think

Oh and in response to your first claim i'd like to put forward chemotherapy as an example against it

It was me poking fun at how paranoid the whole world is becoming, as beings of flesh we are going to die eventually. Might as well enjoy some oral sex before we do, eh? Oh, and ladies I like giving more than getting :cool:

It was me poking fun at how paranoid the whole world is becoming, as beings of flesh we are going to die eventually. Might as well enjoy some oral sex before we do, eh? Oh, and ladies I like giving more than getting :cool:

My favourite risk thing was that some people don't like to take the contraceptive pill because it increases your risk of cancer but pregnancy increases it 4 times more than that

Oh, and ladies I like giving more than getting :cool:
*makes note* ;) :p

*makes note* ;) :p

and how many others did the same thing as her /\ :p

Bloody Dam researchers taken the fun out of life

Yeah, what about researching dams have to do with oral cancer? Unless........DON'T DRINK THE WATER!

Yeah, what about researching dams have to do with oral cancer? Unless........DON'T DRINK THE WATER!
There is a joke in there that only those speaking German will get. *giggles*

So....mandatory vaccinations all round?

No way.

Why should monogamous women be forced to take this vaccine?

Crap. :(

so you want mandatory testing for HPV instead so that couples can be sure their partner is clean?

Why should a monogamous woman be forced to have mandatory testing?

I thought a woman has a right to privacy and control over her own body?

There is a joke in there that only those speaking German will get. *giggles*

Please, do tell.

No way.

Why should monogamous women be forced to take this vaccine?

Monogamy won't stop you contracting disease.

Monogamy won't stop you contracting disease.

Yes it will.

If you choose your partner carefully.

It would also contain it.

No way.

Why should monogamous women be forced to take this vaccine?

It is not limited to women.

It is not limited to women.

There's a vaccine for men now?

I wasn't aware of that?

Where did you read that?

Co-researcher Dr Maura Gillison said previous research by the team had suggested there was a strong link.

But she added: "People should be reassured that oropharyngeal cancer is relatively uncommon and the overwhelming majority of people with an oral HPV infection probably will not get throat cancer."

A vaccine which protects against cervical cancer caused by HPV strains 6, 11, 16 and 18, and also against genital warts is available and the researchers said the study provided a rationale for vaccinating both girls and boys.

But whether the vaccine would protect against oral HPV infection is not yet known.

Dr Julie Sharp, science information officer at Cancer Research UK, said: "There is conflicting evidence about the role of HPV, and this rare type of mouth cancer.

"As this was a small study, further research is needed to confirm these observations."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6639461.stm
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070509/thl-us-heatlh-cancer-0b0437e.html

Well that is a shocker although the news regarding the cervical cancer vaccine is good.

So....mandatory vaccinations all round?
No, that's not advisable. Optional vaccinations are better ideas...
Vaccines in general are good.
Depends.
Oral isn't sex.
I beg to differ. By my definitions, oral sex is sex.

Yes it will.

If you choose your partner carefully.

It would also contain it.

How can you be sure they are monogamous?

How can you be sure they are monogamous?

Trust.

There is a joke in there that only those speaking German will get. *giggles*

:D

you can never be sure, you can only trust.

But from a government point of view they have nothing to base that trust on

How can you be sure they are monogamous?

you can never be sure, you can only trust.

Please, do tell. It's not going to be funny anymore. <.< Dam is Damm in German and it's what the perineum is called here.

Yes it will.

If you choose your partner carefully.

It would also contain it.

So monogamy only prevents one getting an STI if one only has sex with someone who doesn't have any STIs?


You do know that would work just as well if one was having sex with dozens of people.

So monogamy only prevents one getting an STI if one only has sex with someone who doesn't have any STIs?
yeah.

It's not going to be funny anymore. <.< Dam is Damm in German and it's what the perineum is called here.

Dam'it :(

There's a vaccine for men now?

I wasn't aware of that?

Where did you read that?

ummm...in the article I posted....

In the light of the increasing incidence of the cancer, authorities should consider programs to vaccinate boys as well as girls against some of the most dangerous strains of HPV, the authors wrote.

I am talking about a programme....not if there is an actual vaccine for men out there...I would reckon that part of the programme would include the development of a male orientated vaccine if needed.

ts like food. If you are not sure of it why eat it???
:D

So monogamy only prevents one getting an STI if one only has sex with someone who doesn't have any STIs?


You do know that would work just as well if one was having sex with dozens of people.
This is true.

If you have sex with 10 people who are all completely clean, your chances of contracting an STI are the same as somebody who has only had sex with one person who was completely clean.

Myself, I have had lots of sex with a number of different partners, all of whom were completely clean. My odds of getting an STI have never been any greater than any of the people who wait until marriage to have sex with their equally-virginal partner.

This is true.

If you have sex with 10 people who are all completely clean, your chances of contracting an STI are the same as somebody who has only had sex with one person who was completely clean.

Myself, I have had lots of sex with a number of different partners, all of whom were completely clean. My odds of getting an STI have never been any greater than any of the people who wait until marriage to have sex with their equally-virginal partner.

Um... My math may fail me here, but aren't the odds actually higher when having sex with multiple people because of the chance that they're lying? That should be a factor you'll have to take under consideration...

Then again, if you were 100% sure of those people, you are indeed right :)

[/geeky perfectionism]

This is sick. They can have my blowjobs when they pry them from my...anyway....

if someone has had more than six oral sex partners i think a STD is more of a risk than throat cancer.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070509/thl-us-heatlh-cancer-0b0437e.html



Well that is a shocker although the news regarding the cervical cancer vaccine is good.

So....mandatory vaccinations all round?

My world gets smaller and more & more fucked each passing Planck-length.
:mad:

My world gets smaller and more & more fucked each passing Planck-length.
:mad:

Not sure I want to know anything about the length of yer Planck LOL

Not sure I want to know anything about the length of yer Planck LOL

Unbelievably, i wasn't EVEN punning on that one intentionally.

+1

This is true.

If you have sex with 10 people who are all completely clean, your chances of contracting an STI are the same as somebody who has only had sex with one person who was completely clean.

Myself, I have had lots of sex with a number of different partners, all of whom were completely clean. My odds of getting an STI have never been any greater than any of the people who wait until marriage to have sex with their equally-virginal partner.

The argument is about probability, you are more likely to have sex with someone with an STI if you have sex with loads of people rather than if you have sex with one person. It's just simple statistics. Just like you are more likely to pick up the green ball in the bag which contains 10 balls if you pick up 5 balls rather then one ball.

Well that is a shocker although the news regarding the cervical cancer vaccine is good.

So....mandatory vaccinations all round?
I don´t know where that shockes. :P

"OH MY! THERE IS A MINIMAL CHANCE I´LL GE DISEASE XYZ, EVEN UNUSUAL UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU REGULARLY GET IT, I SURELY WILL GET THIS DISEASE AND DIE OF IT, Oh NOEEESS!!!!11!^!
I´d say forget it. YOu should rather be feared of dying in a car crash because you didn´t properly use the seat belt. :P Are you? I guess not. :P

I don´t know where that shockes. :P

"OH MY! THERE IS A MINIMAL CHANCE I´LL GE DISEASE XYZ, EVEN UNUSUAL UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU REGULARLY GET IT, I SURELY WILL GET THIS DISEASE AND DIE OF IT, Oh NOEEESS!!!!11!^!
I´d say forget it. YOu should rather be feared of dying in a car crash because you didn´t properly use the seat belt. :P Are you? I guess not. :P

Can you do that in Linear-B please?

yeah im not buying that for a second!

Okay guys, we need to cover this up somehow.

Haha, suck shit.

Whew. My immune system is most excellent, never had a herpes cold sore in my life, so yay.


You've never had Herpes? Uh, that's good.

But I think you're confusing the popular myth that apthous ulcers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphthous_ulcer) are Herpes.

Oh shit. I'm doomed, folks.

The argument is about probability, you are more likely to have sex with someone with an STI if you have sex with loads of people rather than if you have sex with one person. It's just simple statistics. Just like you are more likely to pick up the green ball in the bag which contains 10 balls if you pick up 5 balls rather then one ball.

Of course, if you're looking in the bag to begin with, the probability's the same again.

Unless you're red-green deficient...

You've never had Herpes? Uh, that's good.

But I think you're confusing the popular myth that apthous ulcers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphthous_ulcer) are Herpes.

ORLY? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_sore

Oh shit. I'm doomed, folks.

Then you have but one good option:

Go down in a blaze of glory :cool:

You've never had Herpes? Uh, that's good.

But I think you're confusing the popular myth that apthous ulcers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphthous_ulcer) are Herpes.Uh... no.

I was talking about the common cold sore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldsore), which is caused by the Herpes simplex virus.

I recall too well the reactions of my American roommates several years ago when I told them that, well, almost everybody has Herpes and they looked at me like I was some disgusting thing from an alien planet.

Turns out that we (Germany) call the Herpes simplex sores people get on their lips "Herpes blisters", where as in the US, they're emphatically called "cold sores" and when people talk about "Herpes" they specifically mean genital Herpes. Many Americans hence do not seem to know that those cold sores they're always getting are, in fact, caused by the Herpes virus.

Both genital and facial Herpes are caused by the Herpes simplex virus, but the former usually by Type 1 of the virus, the latter usually by Type 2.

It is said that almost all adults carry the Herpes simplex virus 1. There are some who never have an outbreak, which does not mean they don't carry the virus.

I have, like I stated, never had an outbreak. Who knows if I carry the virus or not. I'd guess so, seeing how it's so easily transmitted.

ORLY? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_soreJust for the record; the forums were totally down is why I didn't see this before. >.<

So maybe that "Cold sores? Sure. Herpes? OMG, no!" thing is an exclusively American phenomenon indeed.

Then you have but one good option:

Go down in a blaze of glory :cool: :p

I got that HPV vaccine yesterday. It's a series of three.

Uh... no.

I was talking about the common cold sore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldsore), which is caused by the Herpes simplex virus.

Right. Herpes. But your statements that...

I recall too well the reactions of my American roommates several years ago when I told them that, well, almost everybody has Herpes and they looked at me like I was some disgusting thing from an alien planet.

Indicate you are confusing cold sores with canker sores. The latter are indeed quite common, but are not contagious and not caused by the Herpes virus. Some studies indicate that about 17% of the population tests positive for one or both types of herpes, canker sores 21%.

The difference is crucial, and it really annoys me because I'll get a canker sore, dammit, not a cold sore. People assume they're the same thing, though - they look somewhat similar. And I remember having this same conversation in junior high.

"No, it's just a canker sore. I don't have herpes."

"LOL YES YOU DO. YOU HAVE HERPES. LOL."

Ugh.

My world gets smaller and more & more fucked each passing Planck-length.
:mad:

Nooooo, someone brought physics into a biology discussion!

At least I can now say that it is a quantum leap for getting an STD when you did not have any before ;)

Just for the record; the forums were totally down is why I didn't see this before. >.<

So maybe that "Cold sores? Sure. Herpes? OMG, no!" thing is an exclusively American phenomenon indeed.

Nah, I think most people here don't realise it's the herpes virus either.

ORLY? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_sore

http://imatt.us/mt/archives/orly.JPG

Right. Herpes. But your statements that...



Indicate you are confusing cold sores with canker sores. The latter are indeed quite common, but are not contagious and not caused by the Herpes virus. Some studies indicate that about 17% of the population tests positive for one or both types of herpes, canker sores 21%.

The difference is crucial, and it really annoys me because I'll get a canker sore, dammit, not a cold sore. People assume they're the same thing, though - they look somewhat similar. And I remember having this same conversation in junior high.

"No, it's just a canker sore. I don't have herpes."

"LOL YES YOU DO. YOU HAVE HERPES. LOL."

Ugh.

Read the wiki article, which links to several reputable medical and scientific sources.

It is estimated that 50% of adults in the United Kingdom are carriers of the Herpes Simplex Virus,[2] many of which will never exhibit any symptoms of infection. Similarly, 50% of Americans have HSV-1 antibodies in their blood by the time they're teenagers or young adults and 80-90% of Americans have HSV-1 antibodies by the time they are over age 50.[3]

Can you do that in Linear-B please?

People who use Linear-B believe in nothing but buggery so they don't have a risk of the virus giving them throat cancer.

Right. Herpes. But your statements that...



Indicate you are confusing cold sores with canker sores. The latter are indeed quite common, but are not contagious and not caused by the Herpes virus. Some studies indicate that about 17% of the population tests positive for one or both types of herpes, canker sores 21%.

The difference is crucial, and it really annoys me because I'll get a canker sore, dammit, not a cold sore. People assume they're the same thing, though - they look somewhat similar. And I remember having this same conversation in junior high.

"No, it's just a canker sore. I don't have herpes."

"LOL YES YOU DO. YOU HAVE HERPES. LOL."

Ugh.For one, no, sorry, I do not confuse the two. I'd say that's quite hard to do, seeing how canker sores (called Aphthen here) are inside the mouth, on mucous membranes only, and look like concave craters, for lack of a better word, whereas cold sores are on the outside of the lips and look like (obviously convex) blisters.

The difference is, as you say, crucial.

As for the prevalence:

German wiki (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes-simplex-Virus) says Virologen gehen davon aus, dass etwa 85 % (50–95 %) der Bevölkerung weltweit mit HSV-1 und 15 % (5–50 %) mit HSV-2 infiziert sind, gesicherte Zahlen gibt es jedoch weder für Deutschland noch weltweit.
Etwa 30 % der Infizierten haben rekurrente Infektionen und ca. 1 % der Virusträger erleiden häufig, d. h. 1x pro Monat ein Wiederaufflammen der latenten Herpesinfektion. Translation: Virologists assume that about 85% (50-95%) of world population is infected with HSV-1 and 15% (5-50%) is infected with HSV-2, there is however no definite data for either Germany nor worldwide.
About 30% of those infected have recurring break-outs and about 1% of them suffer often, i.e. once per month, from a recurring breakout of a latent herpes infection.


This source (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=50302) talks about the decrease in prevalence in the US in the last 2 decades: The researchers found that the overall age-adjusted HSV-2 seroprevalence was 17.0 percent in 1999-2004 and 21.0 percent in 1988-1994, a relative decrease of 19.0 percent between the 2 surveys. Decreases in HSV-2 seroprevalence were especially concentrated in persons aged 14 to 19 years between 1988 and 2004. Among those infected with HSV-2, the percentage who reported having been diagnosed with genital herpes was statistically different (14.3 percent in 1999-2004 and 9.9 percent in 1988-1994).

[...]

Seroprevalence of HSV-1 decreased from 62.0 percent in 1988-1994 to 57.7 percent in 1999-2004, a relative decrease of 6.9 percent between the 2 surveys. Among persons infected with HSV-1 but not with HSV-2, a higher percentage reported having been diagnosed with genital herpes in 1999-2004 compared with 1988-1994 (1.8 percent vs. 0.4 percent, respectively).

Read the wiki article, which links to several reputable medical and scientific sources.
I iz sloooooow today. :(

People who use Linear-B believe in nothing but buggery so they don't have a risk of the virus giving them throat cancer.

mmmmmmmmmm.......bullshit ;)

I don't want to have to get that vaccine. It'd be useless in my case so I just don't see any point in it.

I don't want to have to get that vaccine. It'd be useless in my case so I just don't see any point in it.

Might as well get it over with, though.

Might as well get it over with, though.

why? why spend $400 on something that you don't need and that the long term effects haven't been proven that only protects against a minor amount of variances of a virus that sometimes, might, maybe, under certain circumstances cause cancer, maybe?

I think the whole thing is a huge drug conspiracy [/cranky smunkee]

Since it is found in saliva then kissing should be out of the question too.

Did you know walking across the street has been known to lead to people getting hit with cars?

Did you know waking up has been known to be the leading cause of death while not sleeping?


Oh my god a wiki article, the uber authority of the Internet!!!!!

If you must read wiki articles please read the list of disclaimers first so that you understand it has no authority whatsoever. 90% of the stuff is never even edited by someone with any professional knowledge of the subject matter. Great stuff to base your opinion on let me tell you!

mmmmmmmmmm.......bullshit ;)

I thought it was the romans that did something horrible with a bull.

(Btw I realise now that the Mycenaeans were the ones who used Linear B, not the mainland Greeks)

why? why spend $400 on something that you don't need and that the long term effects haven't been proven that only protects against a minor amount of variances of a virus that sometimes, might, maybe, under certain circumstances cause cancer, maybe?

I think the whole thing is a huge drug conspiracy [/cranky smunkee]

Some health professionals were debating this very vaccine on the radio this morning. One brought up a very good point. You don't always get HPV from elective sex or being born to a mother with the virus, you can also get it from sexual abuse or rape. Nobody plans on getting raped obviously, but if it happens and you do contract HPV from it then you could be dealing with a lot more cost than the what you would have paid for the three shots.

why? why spend $400 on something that you don't need and that the long term effects haven't been proven that only protects against a minor amount of variances of a virus that sometimes, might, maybe, under certain circumstances cause cancer, maybe?

I think the whole thing is a huge drug conspiracy [/cranky smunkee]

I have odd opinions on medical stuff.

You know that ganglion cyst I had removed from my wrist? Well it came back a month later. It doesn't really bother me all that much, but I'm willing to have surgery on it again, just so I can go a month or two with out it bugging me every so often. It fills and gets stiff, basically cutting off the circulation to my hand and makes any movement of my hand painful.. But I did find out that by pulling on the skin above the cyst empties it out, and no more pain!

.. How random was that..?

I think medical treatment for anything is a good thing. *nods*

But...but...but everyone knows it also reduces the risk of breast cancer!

[/urbanlegend]

why? why spend $400 on something that you don't need and that the long term effects haven't been proven that only protects against a minor amount of variances of a virus that sometimes, might, maybe, under certain circumstances cause cancer, maybe?

I think the whole thing is a huge drug conspiracy [/cranky smunkee]

...not to mention possible side-effects?

...not to mention possible side-effects?

Nothing more medicines can't fix. :cool:

But...but...but everyone knows it also reduces the risk of breast cancer!

[/urbanlegend]


I don't have statistics or a link but the doctor on the radio this morning was saying that HPV either does have links or possibly has links to more than just cervical cancer.

I don't have statistics or a link but the doctor on the radio this morning was saying that HPV either does have links or possibly has links to more than just cervical cancer.

He was talking about fellatio.

...not to mention possible side-effects?

What are the possible side effect anyway?

He was talking about fellatio.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ooops

[/dumbness]

I thought it was the romans that did something horrible with a bull.

(Btw I realise now that the Mycenaeans were the ones who used Linear B, not the mainland Greeks)

:)

Well I referred the Bullshit with regards to the Minoans rather than the city of Mycenae ...as well as the Linear -B...which originally was considered Minoan.

Yeah....A bit to convoluted for a cheap joke LOL

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ooops

[/dumbness]

Yeah I just remember a fake article I saw about it once. It was a really amusing hoax for a while. Then it got really, really old.

Guys, Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman.

No, seriously. Look at how the court/congress defined sex, he didn't have sex with her, but she had sex with him. It's definition of sex was something like putting your hands, mouth, sex organs, buttocks, breasts, etc on the sex organs of another person.

Bill Clinton had sex. Except the law was to stupid to realize that if someone's receiving, they're still having sex.

Nothing more medicines can't fix. :cool:
You like your local pharmacist, don't you ;)
What are the possible side effect anyway?
Dunno. But there's always some.

Vaccinations in the past have left children brain dead, paralyzed, or simply dead, and a lot more things. That's why you shouldn't be too enthusiastic where vaccinations are concerned.

I don't have statistics or a link but the doctor on the radio this morning was saying that HPV either does have links or possibly has links to more than just cervical cancer.

There's a reason there's a "[/urbanlegend]" after that. Some guy made it up to look like it was from the CNN health page for a laugh, and pretty soon it was everywhere.

You like your local pharmacist, don't you ;)

We're on a first name basis, yes.

We're on a first name basis, yes.

...Is his name Pharma Bob?

I was just yesterday told i should get the vaccination but the cost is substantial!
A series of three shots over a six month period with each shot going for approximately one hundred and twenty-five dollars. The alternative however, though while a possibility, is a far greater price than i am willing to gamble.

:)

Well I referred the Bullshit with regards to the Minoans rather than the city of Mycenae ...as well as the Linear -B...which originally was considered Minoan.

Yeah....A bit to convoluted for a cheap joke LOL

Ahhh, I see.

A bit convoluted but fun all round I hope.

I was just yesterday told i should get the vaccination but the cost is substantial!
A series of three shots over a six month period with each shot going for approximately one hundred and twenty-five dollars. The alternative however, though while a possibility, is a far greater price than i am willing to gamble.

The G'ment here is (or has already) trying to get the vaccination compulsory to all schoolgirls as well as being free.

The G'ment here is (or has already) trying to get the vaccination compulsory to all schoolgirls as well as being free.

From what I've read, there's been far to little time to research adn see it's effects to make it mandatory, and it's ridiculous to force little kids to get it if the parents don't want it. Maybe mandatory for entering public high school.

ummm...in the article I posted....

They do not know if the vaccine works on men or what it's side effects on men would be. (http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/STDFact-HPV-vaccine.htm)


I am talking about a programme....not if there is an actual vaccine for men out there...I would reckon that part of the programme would include the development of a male orientated vaccine if needed.

A large government funded program that pours money into the drug companies and forces people to have vaccinations they don't want and don't need.

Sounds like a peach.

So monogamy only prevents one getting an STI if one only has sex with someone who doesn't have any STIs?


You do know that would work just as well if one was having sex with dozens of people.

No it wouldn't.

You would be at least dozens of times more likely to catch HPV if you slept with dozens of partners.

I'm not even factoring in that the dozens of people you fuck would most likely be fucking other people and then it increases exponentially.

Ahhh, I see.

A bit convoluted but fun all round I hope.

yeah...sadly explaining it takes much of the fun away LOL

Oh my god a wiki article, the uber authority of the Internet!!!!!

If you must read wiki articles please read the list of disclaimers first so that you understand it has no authority whatsoever. 90% of the stuff is never even edited by someone with any professional knowledge of the subject matter. Great stuff to base your opinion on let me tell you!

Actually, most scientific articles on wiki that I have read have at least one (and usually several) references to well respected peer reviewed journals. So the information on display has probably been based on the references. You can also go and look at the references and if they are inconsistent with the wiki article itself, you are well within your rights to edit it.

Having said that, most universities won't allow you to reference wikipedia - but it is nevertheless a very useful tool for finding references which they will allow.

Some health professionals were debating this very vaccine on the radio this morning. One brought up a very good point. You don't always get HPV from elective sex or being born to a mother with the virus, you can also get it from sexual abuse or rape. Nobody plans on getting raped obviously, but if it happens and you do contract HPV from it then you could be dealing with a lot more cost than the what you would have paid for the three shots.

meh, I already have the big scary dangerous one, and the weird pap results to boot, I am not really worried about it, I figure I am going to die of something, might as well be cancer.

however, I will let my children decide if they want the HPV vaccine, provided we still have a choice when they get old enough.

Strange. I heard the stuff's packed with vitamins... Sounds healthy to me!

meh, I already have the big scary dangerous one, and the weird pap results to boot, I am not really worried about it, I figure I am going to die of something, might as well be cancer.

however, I will let my children decide if they want the HPV vaccine, provided we still have a choice when they get old enough.

Well then I will worry about it for you! *worries about Smunkee* <- see? look what you've done to me.

I imagine that it will still be a choice to opt out in the future seeing as how there are very few states (Texes is all I am aware of) that makes vaccinations mandatory.

It's not going to be funny anymore. <.< Dam is Damm in German and it's what the perineum is called here.

I was thinking of one having to do with oral dams . . .

The argument is about probability, you are more likely to have sex with someone with an STI if you have sex with loads of people rather than if you have sex with one person. It's just simple statistics. Just like you are more likely to pick up the green ball in the bag which contains 10 balls if you pick up 5 balls rather then one ball.

But if you pick from a bag with no green balls, what are your chances of picking a green one? That was Bottle's point.

Haha, suck shit.

No, I'm pretty sure that's unhealthy regardless the partner . . .

Then you have but one good option:

Go down in a blaze of glory :cool:

Whenever Ilie goes down, it's always in a blaze of glory ;)

Well then I will worry about it for you! *worries about Smunkee* <- see? look what you've done to me.

I imagine that it will still be a choice to opt out in the future seeing as how there are very few states (Texes is all I am aware of) that makes vaccinations mandatory.

I am so not worried about it, there are a ton of other things that could kill me ;)

So then you've never had a session of sex that consisted only of oral sex?
Well, usually there's fondling and the like as well, I've definitely never jumped right into oral without even a kiss... but I wouldn't call it a session of sex. I would call it fooling around.

anyway, yeah, sex is all kinds of dangerous. You could end up with some life long complication, like AIDS, or herpes, or children......
Life is all kinds of dangerous. You could end up with complications like children, careers, responsabilities, disease...

The problem with broadening terms of "sex" is that in doing so you can broaden it so far as to render the concept meaningless.

OK, so oral sex is sex.

What about manual stimulation with hands? That's oral sex, just with finders instead of a mouth.

Then what about using a toy, it's not a hand, but it's held in a hand.

What about kissing breasts, still a sexual area...

What about just feeling them?

How about just feeling them over a bra?

The problem then becomes, what is defining sex? That which is sexually stimulating? That which can result in orgasm? If you make the topic so broad I can fit things in it that nobody would consider, in any way, sex.
Yeah, there are totally guys out there who are capable of inducing orgasm with a kiss...

It is said that almost all adults carry the Herpes simplex virus 1. There are some who never have an outbreak, which does not mean they don't carry the virus.

I have, like I stated, never had an outbreak. Who knows if I carry the virus or not. I'd guess so, seeing how it's so easily transmitted.
I don't think it's nearly that easily transmitted. If you don't kiss someone who has a cold sore or share a cup (or utensils) with them then you're fine. One of my chem teachers in highschool told us that when he had a cold sore, there was a no kissing rule in his house. His wife never got it.

Might as well get it over with, though.

But why?

Well, usually there's fondling and the like as well, I've definitely never jumped right into oral without even a kiss... but I wouldn't call it a session of sex. I would call it fooling around.Ah, I see. Now I have a better idea of what teenage couples mean when they say they were "just fooling around".

Ah, I see. Now I have a better idea of what teenage couples mean when they say they were "just fooling around".
Well, my definition of fooling around has definitely changed since I was a teenager... then oral sex was a bigger issue and I usually didn't have the privacy of a bedroom for such activities.

Oral Sex - Appetizers...not the full on course, or...sex.If you don't think Oral sex counts as real sex you're not doing it right (or not having it done right to you).

If you fill up on appetizers your stomache doesn't know that it didn't get the 'full course'...;)

If you don't think Oral sex counts as real sex you're not doing it right (or not having it done right to you).

If you fill up on appetizers your stomache doesn't know that it didn't get the 'full course'...;)

Jesus that post was like 5 pages ago...congratulations, you get worthless digger award!

Jesus that post was like 5 pages ago...congratulations, you get worthless digger award!Might of been 5 pages but it was less than 24 hours ago, some of us don't spend all our time here, we just check in once a day or so on threads we've posted in. It's a message board, son, not a chatroom.

Excuse me for having a life.

Congratulations, you get pointless post award.

Take your award and venture outside, it sparkles nicely in the sunshine.:cool:

Yeah, I won't be giving up oral sex any time soon... especially not receiving.

But why?

I don't really have a reason other than "To just get it over with."

But now that I think about it, why not wait till it has improved?

Hear that people? It's not just the danger of a chipped tooth that you have to worry about anymore.

No it wouldn't.

You would be at least dozens of times more likely to catch HPV if you slept with dozens of partners.
Not if you only slept with partners who were clean.


I'm not even factoring in that the dozens of people you fuck would most likely be fucking other people and then it increases exponentially.
People, please remember:

Having lots of sex is not what gives you STDs. Having lots of sex with lots of people is not what gives you STDs.

HAVING SEX WITH SOMEBODY WHO HAS AN STD is what can give you an STD.

If you have sex with 40 people who are all completely clean, you are not going to magically contract an STD out of nowhere. If you have sex with only one person in your entire life, but that person has an STD, then you are MORE LIKELY to get an STD than if you'd had sex with 40 completely clean individuals.

Not if you only slept with partners who were clean.


People, please remember:

Having lots of sex is not what gives you STDs. Having lots of sex with lots of people is not what gives you STDs.

HAVING SEX WITH SOMEBODY WHO HAS AN STD is what can give you an STD.

If you have sex with 40 people who are all completely clean, you are not going to magically contract an STD out of nowhere. If you have sex with only one person in your entire life, but that person has an STD, then you are MORE LIKELY to get an STD than if you'd had sex with 40 completely clean individuals.

true, however, you must admit, that the more people you have sex with, you are more likely to have sex with someone with an STD.

true, however, you must admit, that the more people you have sex with, you are more likely to have sex with someone with an STD.
Depends on who you are choosing to have sex with, I suppose. I am pretty selective about such things.

Depends on who you are choosing to have sex with, I suppose. I am pretty selective about such things.

regardless. The more you sleep with the more likely you are to contract an STD. Unless you plan on blood testing every potential sex partner, you can never be certain.

Now, don't take this as an "abstinance only" rant, it's not. I'm merely commenting on the idea that I have heard sometimes of "sure I sleep with a lot of people, but I'm selective, so I'm safe".

I'm sure a LOT of people think that...before they get an STD.

regardless. The more you sleep with the more likely you are to contract an STD.

Nope.

Doesn't matter how many people you sleep with. If none of them have an STD, you can't contract one from any of them.


Unless you plan on blood testing every potential sex partner, you can never be certain.

I don't sleep with anybody who hasn't been tested since their last sexual partner. I also ALWAYS have safe sex (even with my boyfriend of 5 years).

You could also confine yourself to sleeping only with virgins. I don't do that, personally, but it would be a pretty good way to be sure that your partners had never contracted an STD.


Now, don't take this as an "abstinance only" rant, it's not. I'm merely commenting on the idea that I have heard sometimes of "sure I sleep with a lot of people, but I'm selective, so I'm safe".

I'm sure a LOT of people think that...before they get an STD.
Just like a lot of people say, "I'm waiting until marriage, so I'm safe."

The fastest growing population of new HIV infections is among monogamous married women.

I'm not saying I'm perfectly safe. Nobody is, because this world is an imperfect place. I'm saying that the fact that I've had multiple sex partners does not make me any less safe, in terms of STDs, than somebody who has had only one sex partner.

Nope.

Doesn't matter how many people you sleep with. If none of them have an STD, you can't contract one from any of them.

Yes, I understand this. Once again, on average, the more one person has sex with other people, the better odds one of them WILL have an STD.

On the same token, if you're playing russian roulette, as long as the bullet isn't in the chamber it doesn't matter how many times you pull the trigger.

However that ignores the fact that the more you pull the trigger the more likely you are to end up with the bullet in the wrong place


I don't sleep with anybody who hasn't been tested since their last sexual partner. I also ALWAYS have safe sex (even with my boyfriend of 5 years).

Did you actually see their results?

I'm not saying I'm perfectly safe. Nobody is, because this world is an imperfect place. I'm saying that the fact that I've had multiple sex partners does not make me any less safe, in terms of STDs, than somebody who has had only one sex partner.

Which is, I am afraid, nonsense, because unless you are absolutly 100% totally certain that the partner did not have a STD (and "I trust him" doesn't count), having sex with 10 people you're very sure don't have an STD you're still more likely to get an STD than if you had sex with 1 person you were very sure didn't have an STD.

Now whether sleeping with 10 people you're very sure don't have an STD is safer than sleeping with 1 person you have no idea...I dunno. So yeah, you're probably safer than those who have one partner, and take no precautions, but then your'e comparing apples to oranges.

But the simple fact remains, you are always, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS less safe than someone who utilizes the same level of precautions, and sleeps with less people.

Nope.

Doesn't matter how many people you sleep with. If none of them have an STD, you can't contract one from any of them.


I don't sleep with anybody who hasn't been tested since their last sexual partner. I also ALWAYS have safe sex (even with my boyfriend of 5 years).

You could also confine yourself to sleeping only with virgins. I don't do that, personally, but it would be a pretty good way to be sure that your partners had never contracted an STD.


Just like a lot of people say, "I'm waiting until marriage, so I'm safe."

The fastest growing population of new HIV infections is among monogamous married women.

I'm not saying I'm perfectly safe. Nobody is, because this world is an imperfect place. I'm saying that the fact that I've had multiple sex partners does not make me any less safe, in terms of STDs, than somebody who has had only one sex partner.

You can get it from anyone, anywhere, anytime.... Although, I'm still trying to figure out how two of my friends who were virgins, hooked up, and he ended up with something.... hmmm

It's like maths. :)

It's like maths. :)

kinda takes the romance out of it huh?

kinda takes the romance out of it huh?Unless you really, really love maths. :)

Yes, I understand this. Once again, on average, the more one person has sex with other people, the better odds one of them WILL have an STD.

And, once again, you are wrong.

My odds of having an STD are zero (I've checked). I have had multiple sex partners. If we (hypothetically speaking) slept together, you would have zero chance of contracting an STD from me.


On the same token, if you're playing russian roulette, as long as the bullet isn't in the chamber it doesn't matter how many times you pull the trigger.

However that ignores the fact that the more you pull the trigger the more likely you are to end up with the bullet in the wrong place

Only if you put a bullet in the gun to begin with.

If you have sex with somebody who is completely clean, there is no Russian Roulette. There is zero chance of you getting an STD.

Zero multiplied by ANY NUMBER is still zero.


Did you actually see their results?

Yep. Heck, with some of them I took them to the clinic for the test in the first place, because they'd never gone before.

Of course, until my current boyfriend I don't think I'd ever had sex with a person who I'd known for less than 2 years. So it's not like I'm hooking up with strangers in the pub, or asking somebody to get tested on the first date.


Which is, I am afraid, nonsense, because unless you are absolutly 100% totally certain that the partner did not have a STD (and "I trust him" doesn't count), having sex with 10 people you're very sure don't have an STD you're still more likely to get an STD than if you had sex with 1 person you were very sure didn't have an STD.

I'm not talking about "trust." I'm talking about the actual status of the people in question.


But the simple fact remains, you are always, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS less safe than someone who utilizes the same level of precautions, and sleeps with less people.
Wrong again.

The number of partners makes no difference. Your safety, in this case, depends on how much contact you have with people who have STDs. That's it.

but all of this depends on one thing, having absolutely perfect knowledge about the status of the person you're sleeping with.

because, while yes, multiple partners without an STD there is 0 risk regardless of how many partners that is, the ability to get to perfect knowledge as to the status is difficult.

Now you may take extaordinary measures (compared to the norm) and in that case you probably can with great certainty.

However, that being said, a great many people get STDs from people they were "sure" were clean.

And the more people you sleep with that you are "sure" are clean...the higher the chance that eventually, one of them will not be.

Now if you're not "sure" and are, in fact, really and truly SURE, absolutly positive, then sure, that doesn't apply. However, the number of people who take such efforts are....minimal.

and, quite appropriate for the conversation, coming from someone who loves the final fantasy series but is loath to buy a PS3 JUST to have ff13, we have this (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php).

and, quite appropriate for the conversation, coming from someone who loves the final fantasy series but is loath to buy a PS3 JUST to have ff13, we have this (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php).
If Square ever attempted to move the FF series from the PS, I would support Sony "vertically integrating" it. <.<

Depends on who you are choosing to have sex with, I suppose. I am pretty selective about such things.

You can never know for sure who does and who doesn't have an STI. They might not even know themselves.

Well, usually there's fondling and the like as well, I've definitely never jumped right into oral without even a kiss... but I wouldn't call it a session of sex. I would call it fooling around.

I don't agree with your definition, but I sure do like your definition :cool:

My last (http://www.mwscomp.com/sounds/mp3/sitface.mp3) Pyton song for the day. I cannot be called spam because it has to do with this thread :)

BRING IT ON CANCER !!!:sniper:

I don't really have a reason other than "To just get it over with."

But now that I think about it, why not wait till it has improved?

That, or why get it in the first place? I'm never going to have sex. What's the point?

That, or why get it in the first place? I'm never going to have sex. What's the point?

No offense, but I see this attitude of your's as a phase.

Yeah, same kind of phase I go through when I can't find a woman who meets my exacting standards of doesn't use drugs or smoke. (Beleive me it is so hard to find that!)

No offense, but I see this attitude of your's as a faze.

There's more than enough posters willing to give the Chandelier a spin or two, i suspect.
Whether or not that/those experiences will be shared with anyone other than a therapist for a few years after, however, is the question.

Unless you really, really love maths. :)

Like ogling WYTYG's bell curves, for example!
*salivates*

Like ogling WYTYG's bell curves, for example!
*salivates**groans* :rolleyes: :p

You know if you need him off your back... ;)

There's more than enough posters willing to give the Chandelier a spin or two, i suspect.
Huh? If I understand you correctly - it's more the point that Chandelier isn't interested in being spun, and does not see that changing anytime.

*groans* :rolleyes: :p

Oh come now, you MUST've seen that one coming. :)

Huh? If I understand you correctly - it's more the point that Chandelier isn't interested in being spun, and does not see that changing anytime.
Nothing a sweet whisper, some Colbert ice cream, a little bit of amyl nitrates and a feathered lash couldn't cure.

You know if you need him off your back... ;)Yes? ;)

Oh come now, you MUST've seen that one coming. :)Oh please, who the hell would see THAT coming? I mean, hello, I said it to Arthais, of all people, and even he didn't find an innuendo in it. It's maths, for crying out loud! *smacks*

Oh please, who the hell would see THAT coming? I mean, hello, I said it to Arthais, of all people, and even he didn't find an innuendo in it. It's maths, for crying out loud! *smacks*

Math is full of innuendo.

"Hey baby, wanna find the roots of my quadratic equation?"

Math is full of innuendo.

"Hey baby, wanna find the roots of my quadratic equation?"

"I'd derive it."

Nothing a sweet whisper, some Colbert ice cream, a little bit of amyl nitrates and a feathered lash couldn't cure.
I don't think it would cure it at all, actually...

Oh please, who the hell would see THAT coming? I mean, hello, I said it to Arthais, of all people, and even he didn't find an innuendo in it. It's maths, for crying out loud! *smacks*
Pfft! There's innuendo in everything :)

Yes? ;)

*Pulls the brevious off of her back.*

There yar.

Math is full of innuendo.

"Hey baby, wanna find the roots of my quadratic equation?" Ewww. :p
And hey baby, this is the third thread I've been following you to tell you to check your TGs already. Chop chop!

"I'd derive it."I so totally don't get it. But then, I've always phailed at maths. :(

*Pulls the brevious off of her back.*

There yar.Ah, much better! :)

I so totally don't get it. But then, I've always phailed at maths. :(

It was an absurdly lame joke loosely related to Calculus.

NP, anytime.

And here people prolly thought I was some kind of sex fiend!


Shhh... don't tell anyone that I am...

It was an absurdly lame joke loosely related to Calculus.

I bet she'd understand it if there was a German word used instead.

She's so self-centered.

I bet she'd understand it if there was a German word used instead.

She's so self-centered.
And you're so fucked if you keep that up. I'll send someone to blow you so you get throat cancer. Ha!

Wait...

And you're so fucked if you keep that up. I'll send someone to blow you so you get throat cancer. Ha!

Wait...

:rolleyes:

Blow me.





:p

And you're so fucked if you keep that up. I'll send someone to blow you so you get throat cancer. Ha!

Wait...

*Studies manual intently*

No, it's...

um...

*Looks more*
*Sweat forms on eyebrow*

It doesn't seem to work exactly...

*Turns manual upside down*

...that way, you know.

*Swoons*

And you're so fucked if you keep that up. I'll send someone to blow you so you get throat cancer. Ha!

Wait...

:eek: If that's the punishment, can we assume I made fun of German people too?

Ewww. :p
And hey baby, this is the third thread I've been following you to tell you to check your TGs already. Chop chop!

*obeys teh TG*

And if you're going to keep stalking me I have a court order that won't let you within 10 threads of me with your clothes on.

:eek: If that's the punishment, can we assume I made fun of German people too?rofl :p
Sure! Look, Gravlen already studied the manual, he should be ready now. :)

*obeys teh TG*

And if you're going to keep stalking me I have a court order that won't let you within 10 threads of me with your clothes on.:fluffle:

rofl :p
Sure! Look, Gravlen already studied the manual, he should be ready now. :)

:fluffle:

On second thought...:p

On second thought...:p

*Grabs whipped cream*
*Chases*

*Grabs whipped cream*
*Chases*

*flees*

You lot are incorrigible! LOLOL!

You lot are incorrigible! LOLOL!

*Creams Vonners*



"Play with cream - save yourself from cancer"

*Creams Vonners*



"Play with cream - save yourself from cancer"

Only if its cheese cake!

Well, if this doesn't incentivise scientists to cure cancer (and the other thread suggests it did) then nothing will.

Math is full of innuendo.

"Hey baby, wanna find the roots of my quadratic equation?"

Lets all try to answer question 4Q!

Nothing a sweet whisper, some Colbert ice cream, a little bit of amyl nitrates and a feathered lash couldn't cure.

Americone Dream: Never tried it.

Wait, feathered lash? *runs away*

Um.... Germans suck *waits*. Austrians suck? *waits*

There's more than enough posters willing to give the Chandelier a spin or two, i suspect.
Whether or not that/those experiences will be shared with anyone other than a therapist for a few years after, however, is the question.

What is this post supposed to mean?:confused:

No offense, but I see this attitude of your's as a phase.

How is it a phase when I've felt the same way about this my whole life? If you see my sexual orientation as a phase, when my lack of sexual feelings has existed in me for my entire life...

Well, maybe you're the one going through a phase. You've been attracted to people sexually for less time than I've been not attracted to people!:p Besides, as I said before, I know that people like you who can't seem to comprehend asexuality just see it as a phase and say that we're too young to know that we don't want to have sex with people, and that there's no way to change you're minds. I'd be fourty before people might consider it, but then they'd just change and say "oh! you just haven't found the right person yet!"...but then I'm not going to let that stop me from identifying with the orientation label that suits me. And if I do change...well, nothing would stop me from taking the shot then, if it becomes possible that I might want to have sex someday. But at the moment, it's not something I ever want to do.

Nothing a sweet whisper, some Colbert ice cream, a little bit of amyl nitrates and a feathered lash couldn't cure.

:rolleyes:

Well, maybe you're the one going through a phase. You've been attracted to people sexually for less time than I've been not attracted to people!:p

:eek:



I like my fluffle phase...

Well, maybe you're the one going through a phase.

Probably. I'm I the only one starting to get annoyed by this?

Yay for not getting any blowjobs! Yay!







Oh wait......





:(
You mean giving blowjobs right?
Cause i'd pity the fool that got a throat cancer from recieving a blowjob.
That jsut reminded me that i forgot to watch 'I pity the fool' Mr T's show on pitying fools for doing their job shitly.
Damn.:(

You mean giving blowjobs right?
Cause i'd pity the fool that got a throat cancer from recieving a blowjob.Harlesburg, meet Ruffy. :D

What is this post supposed to mean?:confused:



How is it a phase when I've felt the same way about this my whole life? If you see my sexual orientation as a phase, when my lack of sexual feelings has existed in me for my entire life...

Well, maybe you're the one going through a phase. You've been attracted to people sexually for less time than I've been not attracted to people!:p Besides, as I said before, I know that people like you who can't seem to comprehend asexuality just see it as a phase and say that we're too young to know that we don't want to have sex with people, and that there's no way to change you're minds. I'd be fourty before people might consider it, but then they'd just change and say "oh! you just haven't found the right person yet!"...but then I'm not going to let that stop me from identifying with the orientation label that suits me. And if I do change...well, nothing would stop me from taking the shot then, if it becomes possible that I might want to have sex someday. But at the moment, it's not something I ever want to do.



:rolleyes:
Wow. I had something witty and clever to say (for a change), then I read to white stuff when I quoted you. Then, I went to TG you, but your "homepage" is set to fanfiction, where I see you like "Phantom of the Opera," so I think I get it now. :eek:
Anyway, I hope you at least masturbate, because getting off is actually pretty special /fluffles

Harlesburg, meet Ruffy. :D
But he is like half guinea half wetback, thats dirty.:(

Wow. I had something witty and clever to say (for a change), then I read to white stuff when I quoted you. Then, I went to TG you, but your "homepage" is set to fanfiction, where I see you like "Phantom of the Opera," so I think I get it now. :eek:
Anyway, I hope you at least masturbate, because getting off is actually pretty special /fluffles

Get what? And you can still send me a TG...
No, I don't masturbate. I don't have any sort of noticeable sex drive. I have no reason to masturbate.

Get what? And you can still send me a TG...
No, I don't masturbate. I don't have any sort of noticeable sex drive. I have no reason to masturbate.
*masturbates to this information.-Or doesn't*
*Really just Plus' 1*

*masturbates to this information.-Or doesn't*
*Really just Plus' 1*

:eek:

:eek:

You're starting to scare me...:eek:

:eek:
:eek:

You're starting to scare me...:eek:
Only now?:eek:
You've been here around 2 years.:D

Only now?:eek:
You've been here around 2 years.:D

Yes, only now. And I've only been posting for one...

So...funny...(rolls around on floor laughing my ass off)

Yes, only now. And I've only been posting for one...
Well i see i scared you away for the night.=D
Though it wans't my intention. =(

Well i see i scared you away for the night.=D
Though it wans't my intention. =(

Nah, it's still morning here anyway. I just had to go do other things.

What can I say?

There are risks worth taking.