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http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/05/bush_vader_in_i.html

I can't believe they're the first to make this comparison - is it valid?

If anything, the Ayatollah is the Emperor, Ahmadinejad is Vader, and the Westerners are the Jedi.

Also, how the hell does all the Force stuff get through Iran's Islamo-censorship?

.....meh, can't be worse that Episode I

I knew all that, I just didn't state it here. You guys would have thought I was wrong just because I'm me.

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/05/bush_vader_in_i.html

I can't believe they're the first to make this comparison - is it valid?

The comparison that Lucas may have been naming bush and actions in the US? No, that was a news-story that has been around since Episode III's first showing. The thing was though: No one cared. People don't go to a summer Sci Fi flick to be preached at.

An interesting quip about American soldiers at the end.

If anything, the Ayatollah is the Emperor, Ahmadinejad is Vader, and the Westerners are the Jedi.

Also, how the hell does all the Force stuff get through Iran's Islamo-censorship?

I think you'd be surprised at what's allowed on TV in so-called censored-TV nations. You might also be surprised at the level of debate among Iranians, they're an ancient and pretty civilized nation despite Western media attention on the extremism.

I can't believe they're the first to make this comparisonthey are no the first to make this comparison..

People all over the World has been making this comparison.. a long.. long time ago.

and since the words used by Darth Vador.. are almost identical to the words used by Bush.. I dont see how can the neocons scape the comparisons.

Princess Leia in a burka? Nah, doesn't work ...

I think you'd be surprised at what's allowed on TV in so-called censored-TV nations. You might also be surprised at the level of debate among Iranians, they're an ancient and pretty civilized nation despite Western media attention on the extremism.

Yet, they still ban barbers from giving "Western" haircuts... REAL civilised.

and since the words used by Darth Vador.. are almost identical to the words used by Bush.. I dont see how can the neocons scape the comparisons.

Yes. I distinctly remember Bush saying, "I am your father. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son."

Yes. I distinctly remember Bush saying, "I am your father. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son."have you seen the OP clip? *miraculously resist the urge to call him potato head*

Yes. I distinctly remember Bush saying, "I am your father. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son."

How about "you're either with us or against us"- GWB

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"you're either with me, or you are against me" premutilated Darth Vader to obiwan

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on second review anakin says "you are with me, or you are my enemy" close enough.

How about "you're either with us or against us"- GWB

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"you're either with me, or you are against me" premutilated Darth Vader to obiwan
The thing is, Lucas has said repeatedly that this story was written back during the Vietnam War.

Yes. I distinctly remember Bush saying, "I am your father. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son."

Erm, father and daughter. :D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRLNmamTLYE)

The thing is, Lucas has said repeatedly that this story was written back during the Vietnam War.

That was the first trilogy. i am sure he said in an interview that he shaped the second trilogy in the movie part, to fit current trends in american politics. I'll try to find a link.

That was the first trilogy. i am sure he said in an interview that he shaped the second trilogy in the movie part, to fit current trends in american politics. I'll try to find a link.
I think you're mistaking a critic for Lucas as he said that the back story was written during Vietnam on the comments section of the Ep III DVD.

The thing is, Lucas has said repeatedly that this story was written back during the Vietnam War.the peoples talking about similarities.. are Not saying Lucas is copying his Star Wars Empire.. from the US "Empire"..

They are saying there is some similarities.. coincidence or not.

the peoples talking about similarities.. are Not saying Lucas is copying his Star Wars Empire.. from the US "Empire"..

They are saying there is some similarities.. coincidence or not.
The thing is, it IS a coincidence.

The thing is, Lucas has said repeatedly that this story was written back during the Vietnam War.
Which is a lie. Lucas barely wrote the original trilogy during the Vietnam War.

Which is a lie. Lucas barely wrote the original trilogy during the Vietnam War.
Oh, of course. He only had the backstory for Vader all mapped out, including the duel between Obi-Won and Vader on a volcano planet.

Princess Leia in a burka? Nah, doesn't work ...

Nah, the chains and bikini were scrumptious.

Just another example of repressive Islamic Fundies resorting to appropriating Western Culture to feed their propaganda bullshit to the masses sounds like to me.

The thing is, it IS a coincidence.how do you know?
can you read their mind (the movie makers)

Just another example of repressive Islamic Fundies resorting to appropriating Western Culture to feed their propaganda bullshit to the masses sounds like to me.

I honestly can't tell if you're serious, or that's some kind of bizarre sarcasm.

how do you know?
can you read their mind (the movie makers)

He used The Force! :rolleyes:

He used The Force! :rolleyes:ok.. so that explains it all :D

I honestly can't tell if you're serious, or that's some kind of bizarre sarcasm.

From previous posts, I think it's serious - I think the context is the Hamas Mickey Mouse thread

Uhgh! .... Human stupidity in action!

lmao, what will they come up with next. the funny thing is that many people will defend this and say its all true. but if it was reversed and made by americans it would just be called evil propaganda.

silly anti americans, dont you know the darkside will defeat you all.

but if it was reversed and made by americans it would just be called evil propaganda.
The Star Wars was made by Americans..
It was made on Arab lands.. but still the Americans were the ones making the calls.

The Star Wars was made by Americans..
It was made on Arab lands.. but still the Americans were the ones making the calls.BTW..
1# the Star Wars movie.. and the 5 follow-ups are great movies, they are on my all time favs list.

2# I did not see any propaganda. (or at least less that in the average movie)

3# Some Movies I seen did carry a lot propaganda.. and still I loved them.. Like Top Gun (I can enjoy a movie and avoid to buy the Product at the same time)

The Star Wars was made by Americans..
It was made on Arab lands.. but still the Americans were the ones making the calls.

i was refering to the comment about the movie and not the movie itself.

It was made on Arab lands.. but still the Americans were the ones making the calls.
Um, so? It's not like Lucas went down to Tunisia with a legion of Stormtroopers and forced the government to let him film on location.

Um, so? It's not like Lucas went down to Tunisia with a legion of Stormtroopers and forced the government to let him film on location.LOL.. if anything they should be proud their country was chosen.

I think you'd be surprised at what's allowed on TV in so-called censored-TV nations. You might also be surprised at the level of debate among Iranians, they're an ancient and pretty civilized nation despite Western media attention on the extremism.

The Iranians do love 'western' films. It is really only the old Iranian crowd that is seems to be intent on the restrictions. A huge percentage of the population is pretty young so reforms are inevitable.

LOL.. if anything the Arabs should be happy their country was chosen.

The Iranians are Persians, not Arabs.