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So it seems Rev Smiler will be announcing the date he resigns as Leader of the Liebour Party tomorrow.

8 years too late.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6639945.stm

Blair to announce departure date
Prime Minister Tony Blair
Mr Blair's announcement will trigger the leadership contest
Tony Blair will "make an announcement" on his future as Labour leader on Thursday, Downing Street has confirmed.

Mr Blair will tell Cabinet colleagues of his intentions on Thursday morning, before making his plans public in a speech in his Sedgefield constituency.

His spokesman stressed Mr Blair would remain "focused" on the job of being prime minister until his successor is chosen by Labour in about seven weeks.

Also John 'two Shags/Two Jags' will also resign and hopes to get some form of Ambassadorship. May the ghods save us!

(no link yet on the Prezza story...just saw it mentioned on BBC News 24.)

So Gordon 'Who needs social skills' Brown is earmarked to be the next leader of Liebour.

Ghads...we are fucked wot?

In a word, yes.

I hate first past the post.

I'm very pleased he's going now. I predicted this time about five years ago.

I wish I'd placed a bet on it now. :(

Ghads...we are fucked wot?
That's nothing. You know what happens if we ask for an election to try and change it? New Labour Mk2 gets into power.

That's nothing. You know what happens if we ask for an election to try and change it? New Labour Mk2 gets into power.

That or Chameleon Cameron.

so now we get to choose conservative or conservative, may as well abstain

oh democracy how I loath you :(

That's nothing. You know what happens if we ask for an election to try and change it? New Labour Mk2 gets into power.

I'd hate to think what kind of hideous mutation of New Liebour/Old Labour/Lib Dem/Thatcherite Tory DNA the socially inept one will bring. One thing is certain...I doubt it will benefit the country.

That or Chameleon Cameron.

Oh he really is an odious little shit. Mind you...he is no better than the rest of the bland yet smug and self satisfied toerags who inhabit Westminster.

So it seems Rev Smiler will be announcing the date he resigns as Leader of the Liebour Party tomorrow.

8 years too late.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6639945.stm



Also John 'two Shags/Two Jags' will also resign and hopes to get some form of Ambassadorship. May the ghods save us!

(no link yet on the Prezza story...just saw it mentioned on BBC News 24.)

So Gordon 'Who needs social skills' Brown is earmarked to be the next leader of Liebour.

Ghads...we are fucked wot?


'tis "egads" and 'gads not ghads:p

passt, you could always vote for the lib dems you know, go on, it'll be a laugh.

I really want a proper leadership contest. Voting in that would probably be, as far as I can see, the only benefit there is to being a Labour member.

'tis "egads" and 'gads not ghads:p

passt, you could always vote for the lib dems you know, go on, it'll be a laugh.

Yeah I just noticed the typo argh!

Lib Dems? I'd rather turn into something nasty that has to do something nasty...most likely involving nasty fluids of a bodily nature. If I described the entire scenario I would be banned faster than you could say 'leadership election'!

Lib Dems are not a party ready for government. For fucks sake they dropped Kennedy and brought in Ming 'am I dead yet?' Campbell! And once the Zombie Ming leaves Kennedy will be back....wtf?

Fucking Lib Dems...about as useful as a sand castle for protection against a tsunami.

Yeah I just noticed the typo argh!

Lib Dems? I'd rather turn into something nasty that has to do something nasty...most likely involving nasty fluids of a bodily nature. If I described the entire scenario I would be banned faster than you could say 'leadership election'!

Lib Dems are not a party ready for government. For fucks sake they dropped Kennedy and brought in Ming 'am I dead yet?' Campbell! And once the Zombie Ming leaves Kennedy will be back....wtf?

Fucking Lib Dems...about as useful as a sand castle for protection against a tsunami.

Hey, when was the last time a sandcastle hurt anyone?

I'm betting on a hung parliament next election, lib dems as kingmakers, power to the Merciless one:cool:

Hey, when was the last time a sandcastle hurt anyone?

I'd say Kennedy was hurt :p

I'm betting on a hung parliament next election, lib dems as kingmakers, power to the Merciless one:cool:

Dude...the Lib Dems could not boil an egg without either fucking it totally, going over budget or whining about how bad and cruel the world is after the egg became so overcooked that the only use for it is as a cricket ball.

Don't worry...I have the opinion about the Tories as well, albeit much harsher.

I miss Pantsdown...I admit that much.

I'd say Kennedy was hurt :p



Dude...the Lib Dems could not boil an egg without either fucking it totally, going over budget or whining about how bad and cruel the world is after the egg became so overcooked that the only use for it is as a cricket ball.

Don't worry...I have the opinion about the Tories as well, albeit much harsher.

I miss Pantsdown...I admit that much.

Shouldn't boil eggs, not environmentally friendly, have your eggs as nature intended them:p

But that's why they might do well as a lesser partner of a coalition, they wouldn't be running much, but they'd be able to steer policy somewhat (esp towards more civil liberties which come under threat).

Plus the Lib Dems are the originals, we were selling honours before it was cool.

I'd say Kennedy was hurt :p



Dude...the Lib Dems could not boil an egg without either fucking it totally, going over budget or whining about how bad and cruel the world is after the egg became so overcooked that the only use for it is as a cricket ball.

Don't worry...I have the opinion about the Tories as well, albeit much harsher.

I miss Pantsdown...I admit that much.

So leave then. try going to the USA and see what choices you get there. Or how about France. You could even be exotic and try Venezuela or Bolivia, or even Singapore or Sri Lanka.

It is not that bad. Yet.

Shouldn't boil eggs, not environmentally friendly, have your eggs as nature intended them:p

But that's why they might do well as a lesser partner of a coalition, they wouldn't be running much, but they'd be able to steer policy somewhat (esp towards more civil liberties which come under threat).

Fried? ;)

It seems to me that every coalition has always resulted in a weak UK government, barring World War II and possibly World War I. I cannot think of a peacetime coalition government that was successful.

Of course the National Government is a slightly different matter given the horrors of the Great War and the huge poverty that abounded in Britain at the time of the '29 General Election and before.

So leave then. try going to the USA and see what choices you get there. Or how about France. You could even be exotic and try Venezuela or Bolivia, or even Singapore or Sri Lanka.

It is not that bad. Yet.

Funnily enough I am. Due to work than political choice. If I was able to get the kind of work I have in the Netherlands in the UK I would stay in the UK. I am not going to let a bunch of halfwitted tosspots make me leave England.

I will stay and fight these scum rather than run away like a scoundrel willing to take the good but not deal with the bad.

USA - not a snowballs chance...been there done that and will not return there to live...yes I have a US passport.
France - been there done that ate the frogs legs...and dealt with the dog shit
Venezuela - soon to be a warzone again. No thanks.
Bolivia - another socialist paradise. No thanks.
Singapore - I am not a mindless drone cheers.
Sri Lanka - War zone and far too many kiddie fiddlers.

Its not that bad...yet. Well sorry mate but it is that bad. Go out on a Friday night into a town or city and you will see stuff going on that could well make a tin pot 3rd world dictator grimace.

These arseholes are not interested in the nations people...they are interested in keeping their own little fiefdoms.

Fuck 'em.

/as an aside...have you been keeping an eye on the footy? I think you need to announce the winners etc...?

Ghads...we are fucked wot?

Look at it this way. Despite heroic intentions by both parties to place the most inept/socially darwinistic person in the White House, America is still going along well. I have no doubt that, should the worst come to pass that these former colonies will help the People of Britian rise up against whatever dastardly regime pops up. :)

Look at it this way. Despite heroic intentions by both parties to place the most inept/socially darwinistic person in the White House, America is still going along well. I have no doubt that, should the worst come to pass that these former colonies will help the People of Britian rise up against whatever dastardly regime pops up. :)

Oh god no...as it is they are insufferable with their 'we won WW2' crap.

http://www.clipart.co.uk/clipart/mazeguy/musical/sing.gif
http://www.clipart.co.uk/clipart/mazeguy/musical/note.gifYou can walk my path, you can wear my shoes, learn to talk like me, and be an angel too...
But maybe... You ain't never gonna feel this way, you ain't never gonna know me.
But I know you.
I'm singin' it now... THIIINGS...http://www.clipart.co.uk/clipart/mazeguy/musical/note.gif

*Laughs*

*Cries*

w00t!

27th of June!

I think that may well be a party day :)

w00t!

27th of June!

I think that may well be a party day :)

I bet champagne sales have hit an all time high.

w00t!

27th of June!

I think that may well be a party day :)

Now if only we could get maggie to pop her clogs that day too imagine the party we could all have

27 rounds of 'ding dong the witch is dead' followed by 37 rounds of 'yay tony b-liar is gone'


Actually given the kwality of british politicians.... those 2 have been the best we've come up with over the years :eek: gawd save us!

Oh god no...as it is they are insufferable with their 'we won WW2' crap.

Well it's better than the UK's we won WW2 crap though.

Well it's better than the UK's we won WW2 crap though.

The vast vast vast majority of Brits do not think we won WW2 on our lonesome. we acknowledge the huge contribution the US made in fighting Hitler....eventually.

Now if only we could get maggie to pop her clogs that day too imagine the party we could all have

27 rounds of 'ding dong the witch is dead' followed by 37 rounds of 'yay tony b-liar is gone'


Actually given the kwality of british politicians.... those 2 have been the best we've come up with over the years :eek: gawd save us!

Gordo is next in line. Thats when you should say gawd save us!

hallelujah!

We can now replace our lying, scumbag Prime Minister with...another lying scumbag Prime Minister - or his Conservative 'I'd sell my grandmother for a vote' opposition. Still, It's a date on my list, which also has Thatcher's death on it.

And advice for the Labour Party: elect McDonnell leader NOW!

The vast vast vast majority of Brits do not think we won WW2 on our lonesome. we acknowledge the huge contribution the US made in fighting Hitler....eventually.

As do most americans. In fact, I don't think if you travel around the US you'll find many people who do not consider the UK a natural ally of the US, despite the current asshat nature of both respective leaderships.

Nevertheless, for a long time, there was a myth by the british that "we won the second world war", you are just not old enough to remember it.

hallelujah!

We can now replace our lying, scumbag Prime Minister with...another lying scumbag Prime Minister - or his Conservative 'I'd sell my grandmother for a vote' opposition. Still, It's a date on my list, which also has Thatcher's death on it.

And advice for the Labour Party: elect McDonnell leader NOW!

The Mighty Ming shall be ruler of us all! Liberal Democrats unite!

As far as the Second World War goes, the European land war was won by the Americans and Soviets, but the opportunity for victory was won by the British, Polish, Free French, Danish, Belgian and Czech airmen and seamen during the Battle of Britain and the Battle of the Atlantic.

As do most americans. In fact, I don't think if you travel around the US you'll find many people who do not consider the UK a natural ally of the US, despite the current asshat nature of both respective leaderships.

Nevertheless, for a long time, there was a myth by the british that "we won the second world war", you are just not old enough to remember it.
Who do you guys consider a natural ally then, out of interest? I thought it would have been us any time.

The Mighty Ming shall be ruler of us all! Liberal Democrats unite!
Please, he's useless. Brink back Kennedy, and I might reconsider.

Please, he's useless. Brink back Kennedy, and I might reconsider.

Y'what? That silly drunken Scotsmen? You must be having a laugh!

His venerable mightiness, The Ming shall conquer all!

P.S I prefer Kennedy too.

As do most americans. In fact, I don't think if you travel around the US you'll find many people who do not consider the UK a natural ally of the US, despite the current asshat nature of both respective leaderships.

Nevertheless, for a long time, there was a myth by the british that "we won the second world war", you are just not old enough to remember it.

LOL oh dear.

I have lived in the US...and even back in the 70's there were many Americans I met or went to school with who believed this myth that Europes liberation from Hitler was solely down to the US.

Not old enough. Well lets see. I'm 40. I have members in my family who fought on all sides. Including the Germans.

The British side of my family who served and survived always acknowledged the massive contribution of the US.

No one but the most ignorant would say that Britain won WWII by itself.

Quite frankly you are talking out of your arse.

Now I know that right after the war there was animosity between the US and the UK with regards to loans and requests for fund to rebuild the nation after a huge war. Which the US refused along with some rather unfortunate statements by American politicians along the lines that British Imperialism is as bad as the Nazis [sic]. Maybe that is what you thinking of.

Who do you guys consider a natural ally then, out of interest? I thought it would have been us any time.

I suppose in a larger extent I was referring to the commonwealth dominions.

The Mighty Ming shall be ruler of us all! Liberal Democrats unite!

As far as the Second World War goes, the European land war was won by the Americans and Soviets, but the opportunity for victory was won by the British, Polish, Free French, Danish, Belgian and Czech airmen and seamen during the Battle of Britain and the Battle of the Atlantic.

Quite. The point is it was a unified collaborative effort by all the Allies. No one nation 'won the war'.

LOL oh dear.

I have lived in the US...and even back in the 70's there were many Americans I met or went to school with who believed this myth that Europes liberation from Hitler was solely down to the US.

Not old enough. Well lets see. I'm 40. I have members in my family who fought on all sides. Including the Germans.

The British side of my family who served and survived always acknowledged the massive contribution of the US.

No one but the most ignorant would say that Britain won WWII by itself.

Quite frankly you are talking out of your arse.

Now I know that right after the war there was animosity between the US and the UK with regards to loans and requests for fund to rebuild the nation after a huge war. Which the US refused along with some rather unfortunate statements by American politicians along the lines that British Imperialism is as bad as the Nazis [sic]. Maybe that is what you thinking of.

You are lying. I was born in the UK and I know exactly how the war was portrayed to kids in the seventies. I now live in the US, and I know exactly how many Americans feel about WWII.

Yes well...
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8172/offcourse1fh8.jpg

You are lying. I was born in the UK and I know exactly how the war was portrayed to kids in the seventies. I now live in the US, and I know exactly how many Americans feel about WWII.

I see you aren't able to pinpoint my 'lies'. You fail. Have a nice life.

Some of the Rev Smilers key points in his resignation speech....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6642511.stm

RESIGNATION

"On the 27th of June I will tender my resignation from the office of Prime Minister, to the Queen."

"Sometimes the only way you conquer the pull of power is to set it down."

LEGACY

"There are obviously judgments to be made on my premiership and in the end that is for you the people to make."

"Hand on heart, I did what I thought was right."

"I came into office with high hopes for Britain's future, and I leave it with even higher hopes for Britain's future."

"1997 was a moment for a new beginning, the sweeping away of all the detritus of the past. And expectations were so high, too high probably, too high in a way for either of us.

"And now, in 2007, you can easily point to the challenges or the things that are wrong or the grievances that fester. But go back to 1997, think back - no really think back. Think about your own living standards then in 1997 and now."

"People say it is a tough job. Not really. A tough life is the life led by young severely disabled children and their parents."

BRITAIN

"This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it, in our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on earth. So it has been an honour to serve it."

"I give my thanks to you, the British people, for the times that I have succeeded - and my apologies for the times I have fallen short."

"Britain is not a follower today, Britain is a leader. It gets the essential characteristic of today's world - it is interdependent. It is a country comfortable in the 21st century, at home in its own skin, able not just to be proud of its past but also confident in its future."

"I don't think Northern Ireland would have changed unless Britain had changed."

FOREIGN POLICY

"And so Afghanistan and then Iraq - the latter, bitterly controversial."

"And for many it simply isn't and can't be worth it. For me, I think we must see it through. They, the terrorists who threaten us here and around the world, will never give up if we give up. It is a test of will and of belief and we can't fail it."

Who do you guys consider a natural ally then, out of interest? I thought it would have been us any time.

It's ironic to look at Ango-US and Franco-US relations during the revolutionary war and now. I know it's been a long time but the switch is still quite impressive. The symbol of the former occupation of America goes to visit and all the colonials line up to bow to her and mumble pleasantries.


It seems to me that every coalition has always resulted in a weak UK government, barring World War II and possibly World War I. I cannot think of a peacetime coalition government that was successful.

Of course the National Government is a slightly different matter given the horrors of the Great War and the huge poverty that abounded in Britain at the time of the '29 General Election and before.
There was the Coalition immediately after WWI that went well for a few years, plus the national Gov obviously. Britain's system is not set up so that hung parliaments happen very often (although for much of the late 19th Century the Liberals had a form of coalition with Labour). Non-Coalitions also faced trouble in the 60s 70s. I say give it a try.

As for Blair, credit where it's due. You have to balance failure in Iraq against success in Ireland, a decade of strong economic growth and investment in public services. He hasn't been perfect by a long way, but an awful lot of good things have taken place during his reign as PM, he's been a pretty good one overall I think, could've been great, but only ended up good I think.

Hurrah! He's finally going.

It'll be weird without him, though; he's been PM for so long. Will Brown be any better?

It's ironic to look at Ango-US and Franco-US relations during the revolutionary war and now. I know it's been a long time but the switch is still quite impressive. The symbol of the former occupation of America goes to visit and all the colonials line up to bow to her and mumble pleasantries.

Its pretty sweet if you ask me :p

There was the Coalition immediately after WWI that went well for a few years, plus the national Gov obviously. Britain's system is not set up so that hung parliaments happen very often (although for much of the late 19th Century the Liberals had a form of coalition with Labour). Non-Coalitions also faced trouble in the 60s 70s. I say give it a try.

Another coalition government? I really don't think its possible...what with the tories and Lib Dems so weak.

As for Blair, credit where it's due. You have to balance failure in Iraq against success in Ireland, a decade of strong economic growth and investment in public services. He hasn't been perfect by a long way, but an awful lot of good things have taken place during his reign as PM, he's been a pretty good one overall I think, could've been great, but only ended up good I think.

Ireland. Inevitable that it would cease being a major headache...after the Tories and John Major really pushed the boat out. It is not a Liebur accomplishment. Blair built on the work of the Tories.

Decade of strong economic growth...paid for by our pensions. Cheers then!

Investment in public services - oh yeah that is true...sadly the public services have delivered absolutely fuck all.

Anybody to be labour leader apart from that fat emotionless one-eyed Scot b*stard.

If only Mo Mowlam were still alive.

Anybody to be labour leader apart from that fat emotionless one-eyed Scot b*stard.

If only Mo Mowlam were still alive.

Or Robin Cook. Or John Smith.

On the right...some of the old One Nation Tories...

Meh, goodbye to Blair and bring on the lesser of two extremely nightmarish evils; Cameron.

I’ve heard so many people talking about how horrible he is but I’m not a supporter and I’m not a detractor. In my view he’ll be remembered like all British Prime Ministers; he’ll become a few bullet points in text books for students to memorise.

There’ll be positives such as presiding over some major constitutional reforms or his political dynamism by taking the centre ground for Labour and there’ll be negatives such as his style of government or Iraq. In the end he’ll be a name, a picture, a book, and an “ism” like the rest.

At least we’re avoiding convicted politics and returning to pragmatism.

Hurrah! He's finally going.

It'll be weird without him, though; he's been PM for so long. Will Brown be any better?
No. If you say yes, you're not cynical enough.

No. If you say yes, you're not cynical enough.

I'm sure we are all cynical enough to know politicians are basically the same.