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And lost big. Here's a kid that was on his way out of the ghetto. He beat the odds. He had an recruiting letter from Harvard in his backpack the day he was killed.

The killing is bad enough, but the real injustice is that this is one of those 'No Snitch' neighborhoods, so the predator will probably never be found.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13257247/detail.html?rss=atl&psp=news


The shooting occurred Thursday night at Astor Avenue and Sylvan Road in front of a sign for the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority. Police say the 17 year old was shot several times.

Authorities have no motive for the attack.

A recruiting letter in Moore's bookbag helped police track down his mother, Lynn Carter.

Carter said his wallet and cellphone were missing when police found him Thursday night.

Violence is the biggest threat to those in "ghettos" and poverty because it forces them to stay silent to survive. It only makes a bad situation worse.

Violence is the biggest threat to those in "ghettos" and poverty because it forces them to stay silent to survive. It only makes a bad situation worse.
The biggest threat to those in the ghetto is really ignorance. Encouraged ignorance.

Hmm. I'll be back in a page or two to see what this is about.

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It’s the attack of the 17-year-olds!!

I didn't do it. I'm eighteen.

Hmm. I'll be back in a page or two to see what this is about.
I couldn't shed too many tears over a 17 year old that couldn't get an abortion. Regardless of my personal beliefs on abortion, the choice to become pregnant was hers. No one held a gun to her head and said get pregnant.

Here, on the other hand, is something that deserves our outrage. But it won't happen. I guess inner city killings just don't work up the same sort of interest as well-to-do children that don't get their way.

That sucks. And if this "no snitch" bullshit holds in this case, the neighborhood is only accepting and protecting the violent residents who hurt them. I bet the shrinks could really go nuts with this.

I hope that someone takes it upon themselves to kill the punks who murdered that boy. (The police probably wouldn't be that interested in solving the crime, judging from the locale.)

I hope that someone takes it upon themselves to kill the punks who murdered that boy. (The police probably wouldn't be that interested in solving the crime, judging from the locale.)
I don't believe that. I do believe that they will have a tough time getting any help from witnesses.

That sucks. And if this "no snitch" bullshit holds in this case, the neighborhood is only accepting and protecting the violent residents who hurt them. I bet the shrinks could really go nuts with this.
They wouldn't be all hood and street if they didn't listen to all the modern hip hop ghetto bullshit.

I don't believe that. I do believe that they will have a tough time getting any help from witnesses.

Why would they invest the resources needed to solve this crime? There are far more politically sensitive crimes being committed in more affluent neighborhoods. A murder like this is, unfortunately, on the low rung concerning priority.

They wouldn't be all hood and street if they didn't listen to all the modern hip hop ghetto bullshit.

Does the culture create the music, or does the music create the culture?

I don't believe that. I do believe that they will have a tough time getting any help from witnesses.

In my experience, the Police by and large treat murder as murder, regardless of where or who. They just make a realistic appraisal of the likelihood of ever solving the crime and then apply their efforts to where they'll do the most good. Prostitute gets killed in an alley, well, the chances are that the investigation won't go anywhere no matter how much work they do. It's not that they value her less (though I've encountered that attitude too, more rarely), it's that they only have so much time and manpower - better to use it on a solvable case.

Here, unfortunately, the chances of getting a result are slim. They'll do what they can, but unless something breaks, I doubt it'll ever be solved.

They wouldn't be all hood and street if they didn't listen to all the modern hip hop ghetto bullshit.

He is make of the jokes too, eh? :D

Why would they invest the resources needed to solve this crime? There are far more politically sensitive crimes being committed in more affluent neighborhoods. A murder like this is, unfortunately, on the low rung concerning priority.
You forget, or ignore, who elects the Mayor and the City Council. Despite my strongest wishes, the residents of the bad neighborhoods get to vote, too. And they do. And they expect services like police and fire. And the opportunists that want to be elected to public office make a stink of the lack of services, if that could be an issue. So, it's in the best interests of the City of Atlanta(Mayor and Council) to do its best to provide adequate services.

Why would they invest the resources needed to solve this crime? There are far more politically sensitive crimes being committed in more affluent neighborhoods. A murder like this is, unfortunately, on the low rung concerning priority.
You also fail to realize that the shitty influence of bad hip hop is permeating these neighborhoods. No one in the neighborhood would turn the culprit over either out of fear of retaliation or not wanting to lose respect on the street for snitching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQfmemOdC4U&mode=related&search=

You also fail to realize that the shitty influence of bad hip hop is permeating these neighborhoods. No one in the neighborhood would turn the culprit over either out of fear of retaliation or not wanting to lose respect on the street for snitching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQfmemOdC4U&mode=related&search=

Yea, and meanwhile the Hip Hop artist who never really lived in the ghettos, go back to their mansion. Honestly who is actually stupid enough to think that Hip Hop music should be the way of real life? If you do, please, go jump off of a very tall bridge.

Does the culture create the music, or does the music create the culture?

The music artists inspire the culture and present themselves as exciting, flamboyant role models for young men and boys, encouraging "Gangsta" behaviour, to further enhance thier record sales.

You also fail to realize that the shitty influence of bad hip hop is permeating these neighborhoods. No one in the neighborhood would turn the culprit over either out of fear of retaliation or not wanting to lose respect on the street for snitching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQfmemOdC4U&mode=related&search=

No, seriously, you're kidding right?

You forget, or ignore, who elects the Mayor and the City Council. Despite my strongest wishes, the residents of the bad neighborhoods get to vote, too. And they do. And they expect services like police and fire. And the opportunists that want to be elected to public office make a stink of the lack of services, if that could be an issue. So, it's in the best interests of the City of Atlanta(Mayor and Council) to do its best to provide adequate services.

I'm not saying they'll just completely ignore this. But I doubt that they'll leave no stone unturned, A.) Because it's a difficult case, given the circumstances, and B.) There are probably more politically sensitive areas.

You also fail to realize that the shitty influence of bad hip hop is permeating these neighborhoods. No one in the neighborhood would turn the culprit over either out of fear of retaliation or not wanting to lose respect on the street for snitching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQfmemOdC4U&mode=related&search=

What the Hell is wrong with that idiot? I'd shoot that "Cam'Ron" for being so stupid. I would agree with you that the culture does make this much more complicated than it needs to be.

You also fail to realize that the shitty influence of bad hip hop is permeating these neighborhoods. No one in the neighborhood would turn the culprit over either out of fear of retaliation or not wanting to lose respect on the street for snitching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQfmemOdC4U&mode=related&search=

No, seriously, you're kidding right?

I find it odd to jump in on the same side as the Pants Man, but it's true. The hip-hop, no-snitch culture is pervasive. It's harmful and it won't stop. It's all about street credibility. If you don't have that, you won't sell records.

I couldn't shed too many tears over a 17 year old that couldn't get an abortion. Regardless of my personal beliefs on abortion, the choice to become pregnant was hers. No one held a gun to her head and said get pregnant.

Here, on the other hand, is something that deserves our outrage. But it won't happen. I guess inner city killings just don't work up the same sort of interest as well-to-do children that don't get their way.

Did you even bother reading the article? She wasn't trying to end her pregnancy because she regretted becoming pregnant, she was trying to end her pregnancy because her baby was going to be born without most of its brain and skull, and wouldn't live for more than 3 days out of the womb.

I find it odd to jump in on the same side as the Pants Man, but it's true. The hip-hop, no-snitch culture is pervasive. It's harmful and it won't stop. It's all about street credibility. If you don't have that, you won't sell records.

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I find it odd to jump in on the same side as the Pants Man, but it's true. The hip-hop, no-snitch culture is pervasive. It's harmful and it won't stop. It's all about street credibility. If you don't have that, you won't sell records.
I'm entirely sure we are on the same side for entirely different reasons and to entirely different ends.

Yea, and meanwhile the Hip Hop artist who never really lived in the ghettos, go back to their mansion. Honestly who is actually stupid enough to think that Hip Hop music should be the way of real life? If you do, please, go jump off of a very tall bridge.

The number of suicides would skyrocket if they took up your request.

I'm not saying they'll just completely ignore this. But I doubt that they'll leave no stone unturned, A.) Because it's a difficult case, given the circumstances, and B.) There are probably more politically sensitive areas.

You need to google around for a story about Kathryn Johnston and how she was shot during a botched drug raid. There wasn't any lack of effort on the part of the police department to uncover and indict the guilty officers. These neighborhoods _are_ the politically sensitive ones.

The number of suicides would skyrocket if they took up your request.

We would effectively end the ghetto culture though and put a dent in the culture of persecution.

I'm entirely sure we are on the same side for entirely different reasons and to entirely different ends.
That does provide some comfort.

That does provide some comfort.
Only logical conclusion. After seeing your opinions on social problems there is no sensible way we can be on the same side for the same reason and for the same effect.

That does provide some comfort.
To the both of you, I should imagine. You'll be agreeing with Nazz on something next.

You need to google around for a story about Kathryn Johnston and how she was shot during a botched drug raid. There wasn't any lack of effort on the part of the police department to uncover and indict the guilty officers. These neighborhoods _are_ the politically sensitive ones.

Only when events focus the situation. With the Kathryn Johnston situation, you had police involvement and incompetence (if it's the one I'm recalling - been a while). The police HAD to pull out the stops, just to redeem their reputation among the general populace and the elected officials.

Here? Ghetto kid gets drive-byed. They'll do a bare bones, review to see if they've got any leads, and when they don't it gets shelved until new evidence becomes available - which will, unfortunately, probably be never.

The number of suicides would skyrocket if they took up your request.

Would be a nice little page in the book of Darwin.

Only logical conclusion. After seeing your opinions on social problems there is no sensible way we can be on the same side for the same reason and for the same effect.
This kid really did beat the odds. So many inner-city kids think that sports are the way out, but not many high school sports stars make it to college. That's the first cut and he made it. Not only that, but he had the grades to be recruited by Harvard. That tells me he was pretty special.

The fact that some low-life predator, who will probably never be caught, killed Moore for a few bucks and a cell phone pisses me off. The fact that we have a whole sub-culture that encourages and protects this kind of crime pisses me off even more. If I thought for a moment that Moore's killer would be dealt with by the neighborhood, I might take some solace in that, vigilantism that it is.

Only when events focus the situation. With the Kathryn Johnston situation, you had police involvement and incompetence (if it's the one I'm recalling - been a while). The police HAD to pull out the stops, just to redeem their reputation among the general populace and the elected officials.

Here? Ghetto kid gets drive-byed. They'll do a bare bones, review to see if they've got any leads, and when they don't it gets shelved until new evidence becomes available - which will, unfortunately, probably be never.

My point exactly. The thing is, sometimes they'll have a situation which gets a lot of press. But hardly anyone hears of the daily murders going on in the ghetto (The number one killer of African-American teenage males is knife and gunshot wounds.)

The number of suicides would skyrocket if they took up your request.

A little clorox never hurts the gene pool.

You know what's one of the more sad things about this?

How it's changed from "kind of sad he died, eh?" to "yeah, fuck black peoples' music, it promotes blah blah blah etc."

Thank you casual intolerance, for causing this.

You know what's one of the more sad things about this?

How it's changed from "kind of sad he died, eh?" to "yeah, fuck black peoples' music, it promotes blah blah blah etc."

Thank you casual intolerance, for causing this.
Of course it's terrible he died, but the kind of thing happens all the time, and in this case, modern "thug" music relates. Nothing to do with intolerance, it's fact. The music encourages and glorifies a womanizing, largess ghetto life and to top it off, encourages the idea of "not snitching" on people who commit crimes, regardless. Watch the 60 Minutes interview.

I'm the last person in this thread to be accusing of intolerance for attacking what "black people's music" promotes (senior hypocrite, no one mentioned the race of the music but you).

Of course it's terrible he died, but the kind of thing happens all the time, and in this case, modern "thug" music relates. Nothing to do with intolerance, it's fact.
I don't really see what ranting about music has to do with someone tragically dying and all is the problem.

Couldn't we just take the problem for what it is, rather than complaining about vaguely related musical issues?
The music encourages and glorifies a womanizing, largess ghetto life and to top it off, encourages the idea of "not snitching" on people who commit crimes, regardless.
Kind of interesting that it's all tarred by the same brush for you, no?

"ah yes, it's rap music... must be about hos in the ghetto etc. etc."

Not actually always the case.
Watch the 60 Minutes interview.
Yeah, I'm actually unaware that every rap artist that there is could have a proper chat about their life in 60 minutes.
I'm the last person in this thread to be accusing of intolerance for attacking what "black people's music" promotes (senior hypocrite, no one mentioned the race of the music but you).
Err... well since the VAST majority of hip-hop / rap / whatever you really want to call it is made by black people, that's essentially what it is. Music largely by black people, which is largely for other black people, largely concerning issues surrounding black people, although it's perfectly listenable-to no matter what your ethnicity is.

Or does using the term "black" somehow actually make me racist automatically?

The biggest threat to those in the ghetto is really ignorance. Encouraged ignorance.

Yeah...and the ones that want to improve themselves and get out of the ghetto's are often cut down by the morons that seem to think ghetto life is something respectable.

I don't really see what ranting about music has to do with someone tragically dying and all is the problem.
It does if the music encouraged the act in some way or other.

Couldn't we just take the problem for what it is, rather than complaining about vaguely related musical issues?
How can we rectify the situation without finding the cause?

Kind of interesting that it's all tarred by the same brush for you, no?

"ah yes, it's rap music... must be about hos in the ghetto etc. etc."

Not actually always the case.

Who doesn't love assumed personal opinions, much less those based on generalizations of specifics some one said. I referred to modern "thug" hip hop specifically. You are the one generalization all rap refers to hos in the ghetto.

Yeah, I'm actually unaware that every rap artist that there is could have a proper chat about their life in 60 minutes.
Cam'ron isn't really a rapper. He's a hip hop artist.
So you refuse to watch the video because why? It might validate my point?

Err... well since the VAST majority of hip-hop / rap / whatever you really want to call it is made by black people,
Irrelevant.

Or does using the term "black" somehow actually make me racist automatically?
Referring to the race of the music was only done by you. As well as generalizing what it is about.. Sounds like you have some subconscious problem with it.

Why would they invest the resources needed to solve this crime? There are far more politically sensitive crimes being committed in more affluent neighborhoods. A murder like this is, unfortunately, on the low rung concerning priority.

Especially when nobody sees nothing, and nobody says nothing.

You forget, or ignore, who elects the Mayor and the City Council. Despite my strongest wishes, the residents of the bad neighborhoods get to vote, too. And they do. And they expect services like police and fire. And the opportunists that want to be elected to public office make a stink of the lack of services, if that could be an issue. So, it's in the best interests of the City of Atlanta(Mayor and Council) to do its best to provide adequate services.

Aren't we a wonderful little elitist? "They aren't my kind of people, so they shouldn't get to vote!"

You know what, you aren't my kind of person. Maybe you shouldn't get to vote.

fuck, its a bad time to be 17 :eek: :p

*post typical NS lynch mob rant*

I couldn't shed too many tears over a 17 year old that couldn't get an abortion. Regardless of my personal beliefs on abortion, the choice to become pregnant was hers. No one held a gun to her head and said get pregnant.

Here, on the other hand, is something that deserves our outrage. But it won't happen. I guess inner city killings just don't work up the same sort of interest as well-to-do children that don't get their way.

Where is our outrage over the 30,000 children around the world (yes...mainly Africa) who die every day from disease, starvation and malnutrition?