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I'm sure most of you will find this video shocking, disgusting, and in bad taste. But whatever, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONDdD_UFRro) it is.

Needs more dancing girls. *nod*

What the fuck?

Needs more dancing girls. *nod*

Thats almost always true.

*shrugs*

That's teenagers for ya'.

alternative title could have been, "life as a fucktard in afganistan".

Ugh.

Boy, what an idiot.

Couldn't watch it all, due to jolty connection.

Anyway, I wonder why that guy wonders about those afghani kids asking for a "pen" (if I've understood well). I think that any poor kid wants a pen to draw, drawing is one of the things that kids usually like most.

On a more serious side, I wonder why "supporting the troops" means "keep them there in the shit" while "Take them home" means "we hate the soldiers".

The gods themselves etc.:(

Every group of people has its share of stupid assholes. Unfortunate when they record their idiocy for others to watch.

Every group of people has its share of stupid assholes. Unfortunate when they record their idiocy for others to watch.

Well, let's think about this for a moment.

A lot of people at home who want our troops to come home from Afghanistan really don't give a shit about those little kids, either.

The ones who want us to come home right now don't care if the Taliban come back, and once again start whacking people who aren't pious enough that day.

Truth be told, most of the people in the world give a flying fuck about those little kids.

isn't USMC leathernecks2 in Afghanistan right now....

still the Koreans do it best (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCxdku8sx-A)

Well, let's think about this for a moment.

A lot of people at home who want our troops to come home from Afghanistan really don't give a shit about those little kids, either.

The ones who want us to come home right now don't care if the Taliban come back, and once again start whacking people who aren't pious enough that day.

Truth be told, most of the people in the world give a flying fuck about those little kids.
It was my understanding that people wanted the troops to come home from Iraq. Iraq is at threat from the Taliban? Are you people purposefully confusing the issues to garner support from idiots or are you one of the latter who can't keep the shit straight because of people purposefully confusing it?

Bunch of guys mugging for the camera. I'm not exactly scandalized. :p

Bunch of stupid kids hardly more mature than the children they showed in the movie.

I'll leave it up to you all to figure out which kids I am talking about ;)

It was my understanding that people wanted the troops to come home from Iraq. Iraq is at threat from the Taliban? Are you people purposefully confusing the issues to garner support from idiots or are you one of the latter who can't keep the shit straight because of people purposefully confusing it?

Most of the people who want us home from Iraq also want us home from Afghanistan.

Which party has candidates who tell us that there is No War On Terror?

Exactly why I don't support the troops. They aren't fighting to help out. Fighting for money. Fucking mercs.

Let them blow off steam like that if they want. I'd rather it was like that than them getting completely stressed out trying to be perfect all the time

Most of the people who want us home from Iraq also want us home from Afghanistan.

Ah, DK, you and your utter bullshit.

Most of the people who want us home from Iraq also want us home from Afghanistan.

Which party has candidates who tell us that there is No War On Terror?

War on Terror is absurd. Maybe we should have a War on Nightmares. How can you fight terrorism in a war? You can't. It's like the War on Drugs.

Anyway, I thought we were supplying the opium trade in Afghanistan?

I'm not surprised... The US military is having a problem with ethics these days, and this is simply one symptom.

Most of the people who want us home from Iraq also want us home from Afghanistan.
Another unfounded statement?

No different from any normal bunch of american teenagers.

Amusing, but mainly due to their utter idiocy.

Exactly why I don't support the troops. They aren't fighting to help out. Fighting for money. Fucking mercs.

You must not support people in general then......

You're no different than any of them, and to think otherwise is laughable. Wel all know teenagers are dumb by default.

The Marines in that film are like anyone else their age.

They're obnoxious, they want to fuck, they like making fun of people/each other,etc....

Only difference is, the guys in this vid are grunts who are regularly in danger, many on their third tour of duty, and are trying to function under the influence of the psychological disorders that come with long, rarely uninterrupted deployments.

Get over yourself.

And AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA at fighting for money.

Yeah, I can tell ya'.....I was rolling in it when I was active duty.

:rolleyes:

The Marines in that film are like anyone else their age.
Which sounds like a good reason not to give them guns and put them in high stress situations with people they are told could be enemies but they shouldn't shoot on sight.

The Marines in that film are like anyone else their age.

funny America seems to be the only nation with this problem, might it be that some work needs to be done there instead of the oorah bullshit?

funny America seems to be the only nation with this problem, might it be that some work needs to be done there instead of the oorah bullshit?

Oh really? Care to support that with anything meaningful past your simply saying so?

Which sounds like a good reason not to give them guns and put them in high stress situations with people they are told could be enemies but they shouldn't shoot on sight.

What would you suggest we do instead?

Though I will say, I'm all for increasing the age limit for enlistment. As far as I'm concerned, an eighteen year old is not so far removed from a sixteen year old emotionally.

And just so we're clear, I'm hardly a war supporter, and having served...I have a laundry list of issues with our military, it being a standing one being the most obvious.

Oh really? Care to support that with anything meaningful past your simply saying so?

http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step02_reasons,,00.html

any nation that allows "Taking a stand against terrorism" as a reason to join is bad mojo

there is also the rampant lack of discipline which is the trademark of the American army: http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/05/12/a1_19.php

having served...I have a laundry list of issues with our military, it being a standing one being the most obvious.

...so you want a reservist army, is there any military sense to this or is this because some of your all knowing forefathers thought it might be a good idea?

http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step02_reasons,,00.html

any nation that allows "Taking a stand against terrorism" as a reason to join is bad mojo

there is also the rampant lack of discipline which is the trademark of the American army: http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/05/12/a1_19.phpFirst part of the post really doesn't back up anything.

The General never said anything about the entire American army being undisciplined. He was referring to the 7 individuals responsable for the abuses. 7 people in no way reflects the discipline of several hundred thousand troops.

First part of the post really doesn't back up anything.

yeah an army made of of people wanting to kill teh ebil teroritz is in no way at all unprofessional or dare say unfit for service

The General never said anything about the entire American army being undisciplined. He was referring to the 7 individuals responsable for the abuses. 7 people in no way reflects the discipline of several hundred thousand troops.

*sigh*
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,766232,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/11/wtact11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/04/11/ixnewstop.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,,582658,00.html

yeah an army made of of people wanting to kill teh ebil teroritz is in no way at all unprofessional or dare say unfit for service



*sigh*
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,766232,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/11/wtact11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/04/11/ixnewstop.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,,582658,00.html
You do realize the first article you cited is from the 40s? The 2nd article says nothing about undisciplined troops only about disproportionate force. The 3rd article has already been proven wrong seeing as US forces steamrolled the Taliban.

I'm sorry since when was taking a stand against terrorism a bad thing? I highly doubt the majority of soldiers in the army joined solely to "kill teh ebil teroritz" anyways.

Heh being a leatherneck I never thought I'd be defending the army.

*sigh*

You do realize the first article you cited is from the 40s? The 2nd article says nothing about undisciplined troops only about disproportionate force. The 3rd article has already been proven wrong seeing as US forces steamrolled the Taliban.

1) I'm pointing out the running pattern here

2) "They may well kill the terrorists in the barrage but they will also kill and maim innocent civilians. That has been their response on a number of occasions. It is trite, but American troops do shoot first and ask questions later. They are very concerned about taking casualties and have even trained their guns on British troops, which has led to some confrontations between soldiers." :rolleyes:

3) so the Taliban isn't still at large in Afghanistan!:eek: (and funny how you ignore the guys criticisms on the training)

I'm sorry since when was taking a stand against terrorism a bad thing? I highly doubt the majority of soldiers in the army joined solely to "kill teh ebil teroritz" anyways.

its a bad thing because it marks them out as the cock-first bunch who only join to fight something which in modern combat zones is unacceptable

and it doesn't matter how may troops use that excuse its the standard the US Military is setting itself one of "douchbags accepted"

Heh being a leatherneck I never thought I'd be defending the army.

what another one! is there something I don't know about NSG!?

*snip*I'll address what actually applies to your original point of the US army being undisciplined.

*shrugs*

http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step02_reasons,,00.html

any nation that allows "Taking a stand against terrorism" as a reason to join is bad mojo

Okay first....this is my statement:

The Marines in that film are like anyone else their age.

This is your response which led to the question...which led to this quote I'm responding to:

funny America seems to be the only nation with this problem, might it be that some work needs to be done there instead of the oorah bullshit?

At what point does your link regarding recruitment tactics reference your assertion that "America seems to be the only nation with this problem (you've not been at all clear on what "this" actually is), or what work is not being done "there".

Basically...you're well on your way to a meaningless tangent. Are you suggesting that the United States military is the only service in the world that recruits using sappy patriotism and the promise of playing with cool toys, going to school for free, and wearing a snappy uniform?

You need to clarify your position.

there is also the rampant lack of discipline which is the trademark of the American army: http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/05/12/a1_19.php

Soooooo.....you're citing a single example (a significant one, I'll gladly admit) as a reflection of many thousands of people from all backgrounds/ages that make up the United States military?

Would you like some more weak sauce with that blanket statement? It's only ten cents extra........

Regardless, if we go back to your original quote, are you suggesting that the United States military is the only service that has had behavior issues within their ranks, and are you comparing the reservists at Abu Ghraib to a bunch of goofy, frustrated teenagers dancing to classic rock and talking about pussy?

You seem to be REALLY reaching for a point. I've got to tell ya', you're failing miserably.

Abu Ghraib was staffed by a reservist Army unit that had no business being put in the position to do the job that was asked of them. They had little training, and no discipline. On top of that, the mental health screening that should have caught these retarded sociopaths failed. They should have never made it past the recruiters door. That is a failure that needs to be resolved with a quickness.

Mental health standards for servicemen should be higher than almost any profession. That being said....again....you can dig up as much dirt as you'd like, and it is there. That still doesnt not reflect upon the average man/woman in uniform.

Just like the insurgency and radical Islam is not a majority representative of Islam as a whole. The unfortunate fact of the matter is, those who make the loudest noise make the papers/news.

This is why your Sunday paper says, "Man dices up zoo animals, wears penguin as hat," instead of, "Guy waters lawn, kisses wife goodbye on way to work."

Get to proving that this is military wide, explain what "this" is, and we might have more to talk about. Right now you just seem to be flailing around in the wind.


...so you want a reservist army, is there any military sense to this or is this because some of your all knowing forefathers thought it might be a good idea?

*rolls eyes*

I no longer see the logic in massive, standing armies that by design require enormous funding and basically take us down a road that every other civilization with one has taken, which is ruin. We pour money into the Pentagon and defense spending. This money, which we're printing to our detriment, would far better serve the poor, working class and things like climate study. It should be available for the small business owner, so they can supply their communities with quality goods. It should be available for any number of humanitarian services.

I can go into further detail if you're interested.

EDIT: I jacked up the quote bit, so I simply put his part of the conversation in bold.

I’ve tried to chop this down so the thread can remain readable if I missed anything just say

At what point does your link regarding recruitment tactics reference your assertion that "America seems to be the only nation with this problem (you've not been at all clear on what "this" actually is), or what work is not being done "there".

this = lack of discipline

Basically...you're well on your way to a meaningless tangent. Are you suggesting that the United States military is the only service in the world that recruits using sappy patriotism and the promise of playing with cool toys, going to school for free, and wearing a snappy uniform?

America is the only western nation I have encountered that does so (though most nations do run the schooling programs), and the point is if you walked into any other recruitment office and said I want to get the terrorists you would be given some leaflets and asked to come back when you’ve thought about why your joining some more

Soooooo.....you're citing a single example (a significant one, I'll gladly admit) as a reflection of many thousands of people from all backgrounds/ages that make up the United States military?

Yes the people aren’t the problem the system is

Regardless, if we go back to your original quote, are you suggesting that the United States military is the only service that has had behavior issues within their ranks, and are you comparing the reservists at Abu Ghraib to a bunch of goofy, frustrated teenagers dancing to classic rock and talking about pussy?

1) most comparable nations don’t have trouble in there ranks

2) milk leads to yogurt

I no longer see the logic in massive, standing armies that by design require enormous funding and basically take us down a road that every other civilization with one has taken, which is ruin. We pour money into the Pentagon and defense spending.

…well:

1) irregular military units can’t compete with regulars I hope that’s been made fairly obvious by now
2) if you want a small cheap affective army what you need to do is work on your special forces as that road generally avoid the tactic of fighting superior forces with swarms of shit
3) while yes massive cuts in defence are needed there is still a need for a standing army at the very least for defensive purposes


I can go into further detail if you're interested.

New thread?

1) I'm pointing out the running pattern here

2) "They may well kill the terrorists in the barrage but they will also kill and maim innocent civilians. That has been their response on a number of occasions. It is trite, but American troops do shoot first and ask questions later.

Actually, classic and widely used RoE states that we are more often than not...not allowed to fire unless being fired upon. I can source the shit out of you if you'd like, or you can simply admit these are knee-jerk responses with little basis in fact. Either way, I'm happy.

They are very concerned about taking casualties and have even trained their guns on British troops, which has led to some confrontations between soldiers.

You'd better have plenty of links to support this past possibly isolated incidents. And still, we get further away from your initial statement, which still makes absolutely no sense.

Also...who ISNT concerned over taking casualties? I think you really have reason for concern when servicemen stop caring for their safety.

3) so the Taliban isn't still at large in Afghanistan!:eek: (and funny how you ignore the guys criticisms on the training)

He was speaking on the training of those particular people, not the Army as a whole. I always thought that the act of talking out of your ass would create kind of a whistling, airy sound. I'll defer to you for the specifics.

its a bad thing because it marks them out as the cock-first bunch who only join to fight something which in modern combat zones is unacceptable

That makes absolutely no sense.

and it doesn't matter how may troops use that excuse its the standard the US Military is setting itself one of "douchbags accepted"

Again with the lack of supporting evidence for this assertion. Seems we're in a rut here......


what another one! is there something I don't know about NSG!?

And yeah, I know I'm responding in quote. I'm still getting used to the board in and outs. Hang in there with me.

I think they're just a bunch of dumb ass kids, I'd be pretty surly if I were stuck over there too.

And the weed? Well, that's just a normal reaction. Weed is beautiful.

And yeah, I know I'm responding in quote. I'm still getting used to the board in and outs. Hang in there with me.

put [/QUOTE] at the end of whatever your quoting on and [QUOTE=whoever your quoting] at the start you can do this multiple time on multiple people and such

that said could you edit the post to put this in since I'd rather not spend Monday night copying the whole text-sifting out my parts-adding quotes codes in when I've forgotten what the trail of thought is

Ugh....seriously, there isnt much more to respond to. You're back to baseless assertions. You continue to suggest some sort of discipline issue within the United States military, but to this point have not made any specific inroads to what aspects of discipline they lack. You've also done nothing to connect recruitment methods to the above mentioned discipline. You keep referencing there being no comparable discipline issues ( you know, the ones you cant come up with past two links with little bearing on any overall judgement)....when your own military has struggled with their own examples of bad behavior and combat incidents.

And I'll not even touch your trying to school me on the finer points of SpecOp use and what does and does not make a functional armed body. Those ones had me in stitches.

I'd comment on these soldiers, but I've never been dropped in a situation where I've been shot at, bombed, while hiking God knows how many miles a day, and eating C-rations for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Since I think most of you have also never been put in this situation, I don't think it's fair for you to judge these soldiers.

when your own military has struggled with their own examples of bad behavior and combat incidents.

well since you've failed miserably at trying to argue how the US military is ill-disciplined you've managed to get me more interested in this please do go on it should be fun

And I'll not even touch your trying to school me on the finer points of SpecOp use and what does and does not make a functional armed body. Those ones had me in stitches.

look the divine military authority who supports an irregular military force is trying to be smart awww

well too bad other western armies have managed to slim down there armies without affecting there combat ability by increasing training and using special forces such as the SAS and FFL instead of the standard "lets drop bombs everywhere" approach

isn't USMC leathernecks2 in Afghanistan right now....


Nah, 4 days after I came back from leave I got a mortar close and got shrapnel in my thighs. Good times. And in regard to the video, they need some serious counseling. Wouldn't be surprised if they are gone.

I'd comment on these soldiers, but I've never been dropped in a situation where I've been shot at, bombed, while hiking God knows how many miles a day, and eating C-rations for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Since I think most of you have also never been put in this situation, I don't think it's fair for you to judge these soldiers.

You're about 30 years late with the C-rations.;)

You're about 30 years late with the C-rations.;)

Fine... MREs, and other stuff that screw up your insides after being eaten for weeks at a time.

well since you've failed miserably at trying to argue how the US military is ill-disciplined you've managed to get me more interested in this please do go on it should be fun

well too bad other western armies have managed to slim down there armies without affecting there combat ability by increasing training and using special forces such as the SAS and FFL instead of the standard "lets drop bombs everywhere" approachI still fail to see where you have drawn your conclusion from that the US Army is undisciplined.

Actually the German military has had quite a few scandals as of late if I'm not mistaken. As for the Brits I have nothing but mad respect for their gentlemen warriors. The "lets drop bombs everywhere" approach is actually a tried and true method that has proven to be extremely effective at destroying regulars by the thousands.

I still fail to see where you have drawn your conclusion from that the US Army is undisciplined.

Actually the German military has had quite a few scandals as of late if I'm not mistaken. As for the Brits I have nothing but mad respect for their gentlemen warriors. The "lets drop bombs everywhere" approach is actually a tried and true method that has proven to be extremely effective at destroying regulars by the thousands.

Look, those bombs and King Tiger mk IIIs hiding in Dresden were invisible for crying out loud!

And we gave these young punks guns? They are supposed to represent US interests?

They say in that video that they hate the country, they don't care about the people and the mission is worthless. They spend their days walking/climbing, talking shit to little kids and jacking off continuously.

They don't seem to be good for much of anything except wasting taxpayer money. I hope they are at least taking advantage of all the marijuana growing out there.

And we gave these young punks guns? They are supposed to represent US interests?

They say in that video that they hate the country, they don't care about the people and the mission is worthless. They spend their days walking/climbing, talking shit to little kids and jacking off continuously.

They don't seem to be good for much of anything except wasting taxpayer money. I hope they are at least taking advantage of all the marijuana growing out there.

Don't forget the ammo that goes inside the guns! :p

The first part was pretty funny, but after the guy "teaching" the kids english, it got pretty frickin sad.

And we gave these young punks guns? They are supposed to represent US interests?

They say in that video that they hate the country, they don't care about the people and the mission is worthless. They spend their days walking/climbing, talking shit to little kids and jacking off continuously.

They don't seem to be good for much of anything except wasting taxpayer money. I hope they are at least taking advantage of all the marijuana growing out there.

Oh, please. I couldn't envision a bigger waste of primo weed. Those people are an utter drag and their attitude frankly sucks. I have no empathy whatsoever. Bring them home. Please.

Oh, please. I couldn't envision a bigger waste of primo weed. Those people are an utter drag and their attitude frankly sucks. I have no empathy whatsoever. Bring them home. Please.


Well I was hoping that they would smoke it and their attitude would improve, they wouldn't be so harsh on the kids and then they get discharged for a positive drug test result. HAH!

Well I was hoping that they would smoke it and their attitude would improve, they wouldn't be so harsh on the kids and then they get discharged for a positive drug test result. HAH!

What's particularly disheartening is that these people weren't drafted, they signed on. God help the little children of Afghanistan when that black day (the Draft) finally comes to pass.

*and for all you American kiddies out there, don't fool yourselves. Build yourselves an escape hatch, quick.

well since you've failed miserably at trying to argue how the US military isnt ill-disciplined you've managed to get me more interested in this please do go on it should be fun


Last time I checked, if you make the assertion, it's up to you to support your position.

You've repeatedly suggested that the the United States military, as a whole, is less disciplined overall than any other military.

You've thus far refused to support that assertion with anything meaningful. You posted two links in respone to me. One regarding recruitment practices, and the other citing a single incident. The rest had been picked apart as meaningless to the topic and outdated by another poster.

Good times.

At what point in time did you convince yourself that other people are responsible for proving/disproving the things you state as fact for you?

At what point in time did you convince yourself that other people are responsible for proving/disproving the things you state as fact for you?

I think that was right around the time when he joined the British military.

Edit: Just messin.

*sigh* here we go again

when your own military has struggled with their own examples of bad behavior and combat incidents.

Last time I checked, if you make the assertion, it's up to you to support your position.

:rolleyes:


You've repeatedly suggested that the the United States military, as a whole, is less disciplined overall than any other western military.

Fixed

You've thus far refused to support that assertion with anything meaningful. You posted two links in respone to me. One regarding recruitment practices, and the other citing a single incident. The rest had been picked apart as meaningless to the topic and outdated by another poster.


Okay lets look at some more facts shall we:

"We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad," the group quoted a Defense Department investigator as saying in a report to be posted today on its Web site, www.splcenter.org. "That's a problem."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html?ex=1178683200&en=b0c5d9193973b52b&ei=5070

"What is Happening Is An Absolute Slaughter Every Night of Iraqi People"
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/18/1757243

"Liquor takes US troops’ crime rate to new high"
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/25620.html

The response of the Pentagon and White House to the massacre of more than 20 Iraqi civilians by US marines in Haditha last year has followed a familiar pattern. Official investigations into the incident were finally forced by the publication in Time magazine of details of the killings. The massacre has been presented as a horrifying aberration of US policy in Iraq.

However, on May 20 US group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) issued a statement that explained: “The massacre at Haditha is not an exception to the situation in Iraq, it is a punctuation mark in a longer atrocity — the war itself.”

"The statement said that foreign troops “cannot simultaneously be empathetic to a population and be obliged to control that same population by pointing guns at them, breaking into their homes, turning them into collateral damage, and taking vengeance on them out of the inevitable frustration of fighting an urban counter-insurgency”.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WYN20060608&articleId=2603

Okay lets look at some more facts shall we:

"We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad," the group quoted a Defense Department investigator as saying in a report to be posted today on its Web site, www.splcenter.org. "That's a problem."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html?ex=1178683200&en=b0c5d9193973b52b&ei=5070
12 people doesn't constitute a lack of discipline in the U.S. military.
"What is Happening Is An Absolute Slaughter Every Night of Iraqi People"
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/18/1757243
Does it say that the U.S. is slaughtering those people? Is this violence not happening in Basra also?
"Liquor takes US troops’ crime rate to new high"
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/25620.html
665 people out of some 300,000 put through Iraq and Afghanistan. Yea, it's a real epidemic.
The response of the Pentagon and White House to the massacre of more than 20 Iraqi civilians by US marines in Haditha last year has followed a familiar pattern. Official investigations into the incident were finally forced by the publication in Time magazine of details of the killings. The massacre has been presented as a horrifying aberration of US policy in Iraq.
And it was. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/4/24/164012.shtml?s=lh
A little update in the case.
However, on May 20 US group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) issued a statement that explained: “The massacre at Haditha is not an exception to the situation in Iraq, it is a punctuation mark in a longer atrocity — the war itself.”
That statement and the statement that it was a very isolated incident are not mutually exclusive. They are wrongly stating that it is a symbol of the war.
"The statement said that foreign troops “cannot simultaneously be empathetic to a population and be obliged to control that same population by pointing guns at them, breaking into their homes, turning them into collateral damage, and taking vengeance on them out of the inevitable frustration of fighting an urban counter-insurgency”.
There are so many things wrong with that it is insane.

12 people doesn't constitute a lack of discipline in the U.S. military.

665 people out of some 300,000 put through Iraq and Afghanistan. Yea, it's a real epidemic.

considering how the Military tries it best to remain out of the press and the unspoken rule that troops don't talk to the press without permission from those higher up adds up if you catch one rat odds are there is another

considering how the Military tries it best to remain out of the press and the unspoken rule that troops don't talk to the press without permission from those higher up adds up if you catch one rat odds are there is another

Were not talking those who spoke to the media. We're talking those who were convicted of crimes. Do you read what you post? Eh, what do I know. I'm just an undisciplined SOB.

I'm just an undisciplined SOB.

No, you're just an apologist.

I dreamt just the other night I was a soldier .. still don't know exactly where I was.. but I saw these people and elephants walking.. I laid to the side in the trees/bushes and was watching them walk.. I went out and asked one who they were(I wasn't afraid of them).. they said something I didn't understand .. verbally(I rarely ever understand language in my dreams .. very weird) but it come out to be Tehran. And I remember saying you don't look middle eastern, you all look like you are from India. They were very smooth moving, large, slow, and elephants were walking with them. Weird man. It's not the first dream I've had about being in a war, but it's the most recent. I've dreamt I was in vietnam in the jungle, I've dreamt I was over some where in the middle east, saw deserted cities, bomb ridden places, blown up fire burnt out cars.. etc..(years ago) and another time I still; don't know where the hell I was at. But one thing that was the sames in all the dreams was that I was frightened at least at some point. I mean spine shacking afraid, but not the entirety. Very weird dreams, but I'm glad I have them.

This strangely reminds me of Full Metal Jacket.

No, you're just an apologist.

And you're an alarmist.

Go team.

They don't exactly cover themselves in glory.

One thing I have noticed when talking to members of armed forces that are allied to the US is that many of them consider the Americans to be ill-disciplined.

These would be people who have been involved in either joint exercises or actual combat ops or both.