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Time for an utterly pointless poll. ;)

There are 22 main characters in Lost, and only 10 poll options, so I apologise for throwing them all in together like that.

I've pasted together this little portrait gallery (http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2968/lostmosaicbdj4.jpg) of 21 of the main characters. (Only Walt is missing, because I had no room to include him.)

Try to avoid spoilers, please.

The guy that plays Sawyer is in C&C3... does that count as a spoiler?

The thing about Lost is that it's really not that good, but it's SO DAMN ADDICTIVE. And for the topic, Sawyer.

Sawyer. Absolutely no question.

The thing about Lost is that it's really not that good, but it's SO DAMN ADDICTIVE. And for the topic, Sawyer.
Heathen! It's great. Best thing on television. Not that I watch it on tv, but nevertheless!

Ok, so it gets a bit sucky at times (like, any time when Jack's on screen), or when the flashbacks are about Sun. But overall it's awesome.

And, apart from Sawyer, the best characters are Locke, Desmond and Hurley. Dude.

Heathen! It's great. Best thing on television. Not that I watch it on tv, but nevertheless!

Ok, so it gets a bit sucky at times (like, any time when Jack's on screen), or when the flashbacks are about Sun. But overall it's awesome.

And, apart from Sawyer, the best characters are Locke, Desmond and Hurley. Dude.

It is good, but everyone makes it out to be "TEH UBER AMAZING PROGRAM!" when it's really not. It can drag on a lot. Mind you, my mum has been getting tapes of the episodes from work, because we have Virgin Media now, and they cut our Sky One.
And yes, Hurley is a dude.

Ok, so it gets a bit sucky at times (like, any time when Jack's on screen), or when the flashbacks are about Sun. But overall it's awesome.


What's wrong with the flashbacks about Sun? I rather like Sun.

And Jin. And Charlie, and Desmond, and Sayid, and more or less all the characters, in fact. My least favourite is probably Ana-Lucia (but then, the character was designed so that people wouldn't like her).

I liked Charlie and Sayid more towards the beginning than later, though.

It can drag on a lot.

And how! Lost is the show to watch if you love questions and hate answers.

And how! Lost is the show to watch if you love questions and hate answers.

And don't we all. :)

Eko, by a mile.

I used to like Locke before it became obvious what a lunatic he is (which was halfway through season 1.)

And you really could have left Paulo & Nikki off of the poll, because nobody ever liked them. :sniper:

Whoever Desmond was locked up with, whats his name, Mr. Krabs right?

Dishonorable Scum, could you remove the spoilers from your post, please? Some people here may not have started watching Season 3 yet.

Eko is a very interesting character, yes. And Locke's not the only one who turned into a lunatic... Sayid and Charlie went a bit psycho too (which is why I say I liked them better before).

As for Nikki and Paulo... I like them, and I've never understood why so many people apparently don't. Besides, I wanted to include all 22 main characters on the poll, include unpopular ones.

Whoever Desmond was locked up with, whats his name, Mr. Krabs right?

Krazinsky, or something like that... He's a minor character, though. How did he become your favourite?

What's wrong with the flashbacks about Sun? I rather like Sun.
I find her irritating for some reason.

And Jin. And Charlie, and Desmond, and Sayid, and more or less all the characters, in fact. My least favourite is probably Ana-Lucia (but then, the character was designed so that people wouldn't like her).
I didn't really like Ana-Lucia either, but as you said, that was the point of the character. Didn't like Paolo or Nikki either. No reason they should be in it, IMO.

Then, apart from Jack (who I find very irritating), I either like or don't mind all of the other characters.

I liked Charlie and Sayid more towards the beginning than later, though.
Personally I think Sayid should be given a bigger part. He's one of the better characters.

Don't like Paolo or Nikki either. No reason they should be in it, IMO.


I disagree on that. I thought it was a great idea to show what some of the other survivors were up to, and bring them into the foreground. I was looking forward to the first episode that would feature Nikki and/or Paulo flashbacks. (And it was indeed an excellent episode.)

As for Sayid... Yes, he should get more screen time. They're starting to give him some again, though.

And yes, Jack has become rather irritating.

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Time for an utterly pointless poll. ;)

There are 22 main characters in Lost, and only 10 poll options, so I apologise for throwing them all in together like that.

I've pasted together this little portrait gallery (http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2968/lostmosaicbdj4.jpg) of 21 of the main characters. (Only Walt is missing, because I had no room to include him.)

Try to avoid spoilers, please.Damn, I can't read this thread for fear of being spoilered (just caught up to season 3 episode 10, I think, on some downloaded DIVX...).

But I have a soft spot for Hurley and Locke. And Sawyer, sometimes. SO basically I agree with I V, including on the suckiness of Jack... (not on the flashbacks about Sun, though, I like those):

Ok, so it gets a bit sucky at times (like, any time when Jack's on screen), or when the flashbacks are about Sun. But overall it's awesome.

And, apart from Sawyer, the best characters are Locke, Desmond and Hurley. Dude.

And Ariddia has a TG.

Damn, I can't read this thread for fear of being spoilered (just caught up to season 3 episode 10, I think, on some downloaded DIVX...).


Episode 10? Not a bad episode. It gets even better after that. Episodes 12, 13, 14, 17 & 18 are all very good.

Going to check my TGs

Damn, I can't read this thread for fear of being spoilered (just caught up to season 3 episode 10, I think, on some downloaded DIVX...).
You know, if you go to *cough* isohunt.com *cough* (not that I'd advise illegal downloading of any copyrighted material, naturally), you could catch up with every episode that's been shown in America. They're usually up within about 3 hours of being shown.

i don't watch the show, but i know there is a very good looking girl in it, she's my favorite.

i don't watch the show, but i know there is a very good looking girl in it, she's my favorite.

Which one? Can you name her from
here (http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2968/lostmosaicbdj4.jpg)?

Hugo. And Sawyer is at least pretty to look at.

Pretty much everybody else on that island is a flaming moron.

Pretty much everybody else on that island is a flaming moron.

Oh? In what way? What's wrong with... I don't know, Desmond, for example? Or Sun? Or Libby?

There will only be another 48 episodes (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-05-06-lost_N.htm?csp=34) after the end of series 3, in three series of 16 episodes each.

And apparently the last five minutes of the season 3 finale will "seal [the show's] fate", according to Damon Lindelof.

There will only be another 48 episodes (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-05-06-lost_N.htm?csp=34) after the end of series 3, in three series of 16 episodes each.


What a bloody weird idea...

Does that mean only 16 episodes per year, then? (I don't want to read the article, so as to avoid spoilers.)

On the other hand, I thought there would be only one final season of about 24 episodes after the end of season 3.

why would i have a favorite character?

its my favorite show but the characters are the characters. what would it mean to have a favorite? the one i think id most like to have over to the house for a drink? the one whose story makes the most sense?

if its "which one would i want for my bestest friend?" then rose of course. she is the nicest person on the island.

otherwise i just want to know what happens next.

why would i have a favorite character?

its my favorite show but the characters are the characters. what would it mean to have a favorite? the one i think id most like to have over to the house for a drink? the one whose story makes the most sense?


I don't know; define it as you like. But I agree that it's not easy to pick a favourite.


if its "which one would i want for my bestest friend?" then rose of course. she is the nicest person on the island.


True. Among the main characters, though, that would probably be Claire. Or maybe Sun. Or Charlie, before he started losing his sanity somewhat... Nikki seemed nice, before we found out a certain something about her.


otherwise i just want to know what happens next.

Heh. I'm assuming there'll be some big revelation at the end of season 3.

I wasn't sure whether I would vote for Locke or Eko, but luckily they're in the same poll option.:)

I wasn't sure whether I would vote for Locke or Eko, but luckily they're in the same poll option.:)

Well, I tried to make a poll that wasn't entirely meaningless. ;)

That scene in season 2 when they first meet, and they just look at each other with a strange look in their eyes, as if to say they recognise they have something in common, was quite interesting.

Warning! Spoilers about already aired episodes of season 3, + speculation.

If we go with the theory that the main characters are all atoning for their sins and crimes somehow, does that encompass everyone? What's the worst thing each person (crash survivor) did before arriving on the island?

Ana-Lucia, Kate, Eko, Nikki, Paulo and Sawyer were all murderers. (Six murderers!)

Sayid tortured people.

Jin beat people up.

Claire unwillingly (through negligeance) caused her mother to go into a deep coma.

Charlie was a drug addict and a one-time thief (and promiscuous, if you can count that).

Shannon committed incest, and conned her brother and step-mother out of a lot of money.

Boone committed incest.

Sun betrayed her husband by sleeping with another man. (Sun and Jin could also, I suppose, be accused of covering up Sun's father's activities.)

Libby... Nobody knows.

Hurley, Jack, Locke, Michael and Walt don't seem to have done anything "wrong" before coming to the island. So if everyone is here because of what they've done, why did these five end up on the island? You can't exactly accuse Boone or Claire of being great criminals either. Certainly not to the extent of Ana-Lucia, Kate, Sawyer, Eko, Nikki, Paulo or Sayid.

This whole thing reminds me a little of Agatha Christie's excellent mystery novel Ten Little Niggers (except that in Christie's novel you knew what everyone had done right from the start).

Oh? In what way? What's wrong with... I don't know, Desmond,

Handled his love story like a true emo moron.


Or Sun?

Handles her love story like a true emo moron. Also puts up with idiot behavior from frequently-idiotic husband. If she loved him, she'd tell him to calm the fuck down and grow up before he kills himself.


Or Libby?
One-dimensional character who existed to provide a sympathetic love interest for Hugo, and who was killed off specifically because they didn't think that Anna Lucia's death would be enough emotional impact so they killed off somebody "nice" along with her. Also, any "clinical psychologist" who immediately suggests HYPNOTISM to help somebody retrieve memories is deeply, deeply stupid.

Hurley, Jack, Locke, Michael and Walt don't seem to have done anything "wrong" before coming to the island. So if everyone is here because of what they've done, why did these five end up on the island?


Warning! Further Spoilers about already aired episodes of season 3, + speculation.

Jack attacked his dad, Locke spoiler!refused to help the son of the woman his dad was conning (kinda, anyway - he tried to do it himself, making him vengeful (think Se7en here)), Michael was a selfish father. Walt is 'special'. There's a whole article on Lostpedia (www.lostpedia.com) about Walt's 'powers'.

However, because these are minor compared to Ana-Lucia, Sawyer, Eko, etc., it leads me to think that they might not be there because of what they've done, but because of what they can do - Locke spoiler!has now joined the others, Jack spoiler!cured Ben...etc.

I don't watch TV.

Lost confuses and infuriates us. It should end already. (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:%22Lost%22_producers_announce_new_exit_strategy)

Handled his love story like a true emo moron.

Handles her love story like a true emo moron. Also puts up with idiot behavior from frequently-idiotic husband. If she loved him, she'd tell him to calm the fuck down and grow up before he kills himself.

One-dimensional character who existed to provide a sympathetic love interest for Hugo, and who was killed off specifically because they didn't think that Anna Lucia's death would be enough emotional impact so they killed off somebody "nice" along with her. Also, any "clinical psychologist" who immediately suggests HYPNOTISM to help somebody retrieve memories is deeply, deeply stupid.

Heh... OK. Although I'm convinced we'll be find out more about Libby somehow. My guess is, through Desmond's flashbacks.

And she may have been lying when she said she was a psychologist, for all we know...


However, because these are minor compared to Ana-Lucia, Sawyer, Eko, etc., it leads me to think that they might not be there because of what they've done, but because of what they can do - Locke spoiler!has now joined the others, Jack spoiler!cured Ben...etc.

Yes, that's an interesting possibility...

It still leads me to wonder, though, whether Claire would really be "punished" for having caused her mother's accident, and Boone for having had consensual sex with his "sister" who wasn't even a blood relation...

I suppose we'll find out eventually.

Well, last night's episode was certainly... interesting.

What do you mean, this is a shameless BUMP? :D

Well, last night's episode was certainly... interesting.

What do you mean, this is a shameless BUMP? :D

i believe it firmly answered the question of whether or not the survivors have misunderstood the others and are the others really the good guys.

i believe it firmly answered the question of whether or not the survivors have misunderstood the others and are the others really the good guys.

It would seem to, yes. Although spoiler on last night's episode! that episode didn't give us the complete backstory on what started the conflict between the Others and DHARMA. So perhaps the Others actually do see themselves as "good guys", twisted though that may be.

One-dimensional character who existed to provide a sympathetic love interest for Hugo, and who was killed off specifically because they didn't think that Anna Lucia's death would be enough emotional impact so they killed off somebody "nice" along with her. Also, any "clinical psychologist" who immediately suggests HYPNOTISM to help somebody retrieve memories is deeply, deeply stupid.

Heh... OK. Although I'm convinced we'll be find out more about Libby somehow. My guess is, through Desmond's flashbacks.

And she may have been lying when she said she was a psychologist, for all we know...


did you guys miss that libby was a patient in the same assylum that hugo was in? i dont think she is a clinical psychologist at all, just a former patient who picked up a lot of psychology during her confinement.

It would seem to, yes. Although spoiler on last night's episode! that episode didn't give us the complete backstory on what started the conflict between the Others and DHARMA. So perhaps the Others actually do see themselves as "good guys", twisted though that may be.

im sure they do think of themselves as good guys. WE now know that they are extremely creepy bad guys.

did you guys miss that libby was a patient in the same assylum that hugo was in? i dont think she is a clinical psychologist at all, just a former patient who picked up a lot of psychology during her confinement.

No, I remember that. Which is one of the reasons why I'm convinced we'll be finding out more about her.

The question is, how? Not through Hurley, presumably, unless he suddenly remembers seeing her at the asylum. My guess is, through flashbacks to the time she spent with Desmond. Maybe she told Desmond her story at that time.

Charlie, and Hurley.

I swear Jin is a spy for the others.

No, I remember that. Which is one of the reasons why I'm convinced we'll be finding out more about her.

The question is, how? Not through Hurley, presumably, unless he suddenly remembers seeing her at the asylum. My guess is, through flashbacks to the time she spent with Desmond. Maybe she told Desmond her story at that time.

its my theory that everyone of the survivors have issues to work out and that when they have done so, they die.

so boone got over shannon, shannon got over herself, libby loved again, mr eko found god, anna lucia...well i dont remember but i had her issue nailed at one time,

SO
maybe with his father dead, locke's issue is worked out and he will be dead next week. maybe he still has work to do and "jacob" will save him.

Charlie, and Hurley.

I swear Jin is a spy for the others.

Nah, I rather like Jin. Except when he's being a bully. It was a good idea to have a character who doesn't speak a word of English.

There's a scene in season 2 where he's standing with Sawyer and Bernard, and he knows they're talking about him, but when we hear it through his ears it's all meaningless noise and he has no idea what they're saying. That was quite nicely done.

Charlie, and Hurley.

I swear Jin is a spy for the others.

why do you think that?

and what about the others planning to kidnap his wife and unborn child? wouldnt that kinda have put him off the whole spying thing?

its my theory that everyone of the survivors have issues to work out and that when they have done so, they die.

so boone got over shannon, shannon got over herself, libby loved again, mr eko found god, anna lucia...well i dont remember but i had her issue nailed at one time,

It's an interesting theory. Ana-Lucia did seem to resolve her issues, if you look at the flashbacks from the episode in which she died, plus the fact that she couldn't bring herself to murder Ben. We don't know yet whether it really works for Libby, though.

Season 3 past episode spoiler
It probably works for Paulo... but I'm not convinced it does for Nikki.
end of spoiler


SO
maybe with his father dead, locke's issue is worked out and he will be dead next week.

Yes, that's what I was thinking. Plus, of course, his "big secret" has been revealed to us, and there may not be that much material left for further flashbacks about him. On the other hand, the fact that he was still alive by the end of the episode makes me suspect that he'll survive.

If he does die, it would certainly seem to confirm your theory. And could it mean that Sawyer should really watch out now? ;)

Sawyer is clearly the best character. Especially in the past few episodes, he has only gotten even more entertaining.

Ben is to much of a manipulative bastard to really have any liking for. Shame on anyone who disagrees.

It's an interesting theory. Ana-Lucia did seem to resolve her issues, if you look at the flashbacks from the episode in which she died, plus the fact that she couldn't bring herself to murder Ben. We don't know yet whether it really works for Libby, though.

Season 3 past episode spoiler
It probably works for Paulo... but I'm not convinced it does for Nikki.
end of spoiler



Yes, that's what I was thinking. Plus, of course, his "big secret" has been revealed to us, and there may not be that much material left for further flashbacks about him. On the other hand, the fact that he was still alive by the end of the episode makes me suspect that he'll survive.

If he does die, it would certainly seem to confirm your theory. And could it mean that Sawyer should really watch out now? ;)

nikki and paulo are definitely weak links in my theory.

i dont think they are done with locke yet. im wondering if ben needed to kill locke because he was too special, not only was he spontaneously healed but he could hear "jacob". i think that jacob must be the source of ben's power over the rest of the others. how else does the youngest guy get to be undisputable leader?

what did you make of that jacob thing?

what did you make of that jacob thing?


I wasn't too sure what to make of it. Ben definitely seemed to feel his authority was threatened by Locke having heard Jacob. But then, Locke didn't help matters when he threatened to "expose" Ben as a "fraud". As to what Jacob is... That's one of the weirdest things so far. I think he may be the "monster", and all the dead people we keep seeing (Ben's mother, Jack's father, Yemi...)

I wasn't too sure what to make of it. Ben definitely seemed to feel his authority was threatened by Locke having heard Jacob. But then, Locke didn't help matters when he threatened to "expose" Ben as a "fraud". As to what Jacob is... That's one of the weirdest things so far. I think he may be the "monster", and all the dead people we keep seeing (Ben's mother, Jack's father, Yemi...)

thats what i was thinking. i wonder if the writers are thinking it too.

nikki and paulo are definitely weak links in my theory.

i dont think they are done with locke yet. im wondering if ben needed to kill locke because he was too special, not only was he spontaneously healed but he could hear "jacob". i think that jacob must be the source of ben's power over the rest of the others. how else does the youngest guy get to be undisputable leader?

what did you make of that jacob thing?

Yeah, but...

Ben ages. Michael (think that's his name - the guy young Ben met in the jungle), if you hadn't noticed, doesn't. Also note the comment from Ben: "Birthdays. You do remember them?" It seems Michael was the leader, but somehow Ben took over. Possibly Michael let him because he knew that Ben would eventually die while he (Michael) wouldn't (couldn't? Of old age, at least).

I've got a screen capture of Jacob. It's awful, as it's just a print screen of one of the few frames you could see him, but it's something. I'll put it up tomorrow. Off to bed now.

Yeah, but...

Ben ages. Michael (think that's his name - the guy young Ben met in the jungle), if you hadn't noticed, doesn't. Also note the comment from Ben: "Birthdays. You do remember them?" It seems Michael was the leader, but somehow Ben took over. Possibly Michael let him because he knew that Ben would eventually die while he (Michael) wouldn't (couldn't? Of old age, at least).

I've got a screen capture of Jacob. It's awful, as it's just a print screen of one of the few frames you could see him, but it's something. I'll put it up tomorrow. Off to bed now.

I believe the name you are looking for is Richard Alpert. Yea, I'm not obsessed at all... Anyways, I think this episode is possibly the best ever, we finally got answers to something. I hope the next two in this season live up to this standard.

Yeah, but...

Ben ages. Michael (think that's his name - the guy young Ben met in the jungle), if you hadn't noticed, doesn't. Also note the comment from Ben: "Birthdays. You do remember them?" It seems Michael was the leader, but somehow Ben took over. Possibly Michael let him because he knew that Ben would eventually die while he (Michael) wouldn't (couldn't? Of old age, at least).

I've got a screen capture of Jacob. It's awful, as it's just a print screen of one of the few frames you could see him, but it's something. I'll put it up tomorrow. Off to bed now.

yeah i did notice that but i wasnt willing to say that it wasnt a production problem rather than an in-show reality. i thought that perhaps they could only make michael look so young. just like ben as a young man couldnt really pass as a young man so michael as a young man didnt pass well as a young man.

but yeah, it could be an indication of some kind of island immortality for the others.

ooooo i didnt see jacob at all in the show. im looking forward to your cap.

Charlie! I love a man with a guitar.

Favorite character? Oh, probably Sawyer. Especially when he's got his shirt off. Mrowr! ;)

As for discussion of the series as a whole... So, I was just talking to a friend last night about the prevalence of daddy-issues on this island. I can't help wondering if this might be even more of a unifying theme than the widely-discussed "they're all murderers" theory. Jack, Kate, Locke, Sawyer, Jin, Sun, Claire, Hurley, Benry, Alex - messed-up paternal relationship after messed-up paternal relationship.

Oh, and I, too, was puzzled by the apparent eternal youth of Richard. Crappy make-up job, or something more significant?

nikki and paulo are definitely weak links in my theory.

i dont think they are done with locke yet. im wondering if ben needed to kill locke because he was too special, not only was he spontaneously healed but he could hear "jacob". i think that jacob must be the source of ben's power over the rest of the others. how else does the youngest guy get to be undisputable leader?

what did you make of that jacob thing?



They simply can not kill off Locke. He is too big of a character for them to do this. Since he didn't die at the end of the episode I find it doubtful that he is dead anyway. I'm sure someone will appear to fix him up, plenty of characters out there who can make a surprise appearance. It is hard to make a guess as to the Jacob connection though, we just don't have enough information yet.

Desmond is great, even as a minor recurring character I loved his background story episodes, and though I haven't seen any of season 3 yet, the season 2 finale with Desmond was great, and quite sad.

They simply can not kill off Locke. He is too big of a character for them to do this. Since he didn't die at the end of the episode I find it doubtful that he is dead anyway. I'm sure someone will appear to fix him up, plenty of characters out there who can make a surprise appearance.

I'd bet either Alpert or Danielle finds him. You are right, they would never kill him off, he is too big of a character and Terry O'Quinn is too good of an actor.

Desmond is great, even as a minor recurring character I loved his background story episodes, and though I haven't seen any of season 3 yet, the season 2 finale with Desmond was great, and quite sad.

Desmond is another character who should spend more time with his shirt off. *nods*

I'd bet either Alpert or Danielle finds him. You are right, they would never kill him off, he is too big of a character and Terry O'Quinn is too good of an actor.

I don't know...I had him on my short list of Characters Who Cannot Be Killed Off At Least Until The Last Season Or So, but I'm starting to wonder if I was wrong. His story has pretty much been resolved now; there are no big mysteries left about Locke's life before he reached the island. They could kill him. It would massively suck, but they could.

I'd bet either Alpert or Danielle finds him. You are right, they would never kill him off, he is too big of a character and Terry O'Quinn is too good of an actor.

Yeah, he is going to have to be able to tell someone about the experience with Jacob. Besides, with all the time they spent on him being somehow important since he was able to regain the use of his legs, killing him off would be a good way to leave a serious plot hole.

I don't know...I had him on my short list of Characters Who Cannot Be Killed Off At Least Until The Last Season Or So, but I'm starting to wonder if I was wrong. His story has pretty much been resolved now; there are no big mysteries left about Locke's life before he reached the island. They could kill him. It would massively suck, but they could.

agreed. i dont want them to kill him off but it could be done.

it might be that the actor has better prospects now that he has been in the show and his potential as an actor is obvious. he has been a small timer way too long.

yeah i did notice that but i wasnt willing to say that it wasnt a production problem rather than an in-show reality. i thought that perhaps they could only make michael look so young. just like ben as a young man couldnt really pass as a young man so michael as a young man didnt pass well as a young man.

but yeah, it could be an indication of some kind of island immortality for the others.
Considering he looks young in the present day, I'm willing to bet that it is an indication of some king of immortality. Ben must've aged at least 30 years since that meeting in the jungle.

ooooo i didnt see jacob at all in the show. im looking forward to your cap.
I'm not surprised you didn't see him. He's on screen for about 2 seconds, and at first I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. Had to rewind and play it back a few times.

Sadly, the cap didn't come out very well. Check this (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob) instead.

I don't know...I had him on my short list of Characters Who Cannot Be Killed Off At Least Until The Last Season Or So, but I'm starting to wonder if I was wrong. His story has pretty much been resolved now; there are no big mysteries left about Locke's life before he reached the island. They could kill him.

I agree. They couldn't do it before "The Man from Tallahassee", or perhaps even "The Brig", but now it's possible.


There may be relatively little material left for flashbacks about him in season 4. And if they're going to kill him off, it makes sense to do it in one of the last episodes of season 3. It would also remind us that any character can die. (I wouldn't be hugely surprised if Sawyer died, now that he's found the real Sawyer, and that there doesn't seem to be all that much left to reveal about him.)

Still, as I said, I'm inclined to believe that Locke will survive - if only because he was still alive at the end of that episode.

Season 3 is also the first time there have been characters marked as "doomed": Charlie and Sun. I'm assuming Sun will be saved somehow, but I really have no idea what's going to happen to Charlie.

That "daddy issues" comment was a good point, by the way.

(I wouldn't be hugely surprised if Sawyer died, now that he's found the real Sawyer, and that there doesn't seem to be all that much left to reveal about him.)

Me being a bit obsessive, and reading Lostpedia frequently, sometimes helps...

The Others' file on Sawyer (the one given to Locke) had an Interpol report in it - in French. I can't imagine the writers would put that in there without good reason.

The Others' file on Sawyer (the one given to Locke) had an Interpol report in it - in French. I can't imagine the writers would put that in there without good reason.

Oh? Is that accessible anywhere? If so, I could translate it for you.

Sawyer. He is incredibly sexy. And a selfish bastard. :D His overdriven arrogance is a turn-on.

I also like Locke. He's one of the more well-developed characters in the series. I'm not too endeared to any of the female characters. Kate is too playful. I generally like cold-hearted, sexy, silent alpha females (Ana-Lucia came close).

I so totally have to bookmark this thread, I can't *wait* to read all the spoilers. :p

Unfortunately it will be a while till I get to watch again. Oh, and I V Stalin, that site you did not recommend ;) upthread - will a computer loser like me be able to find their way around it? Bah, I'll just go check it out.

Perosnally I like Jack and Juliet, though Jack seems to have gone crazy in the past few episodes. I liked him back in season one where it was "Man of Science vs. Man of Faith" and being a man of science I liked Jack's take on things.

As for Juliet, I can't figure out whether she's good or evil, but personally I don't care. She makes for a good catalyst, and I think she'll set off a revolution soon enough...That's just speculation...

Perosnally I like Jack and Juliet, though Jack seems to have gone crazy in the past few episodes. I liked him back in season one where it was "Man of Science vs. Man of Faith" and being a man of science I liked Jack's take on things.

As for Juliet, I can't figure out whether she's good or evil, but personally I don't care. She makes for a good catalyst, and I think she'll set off a revolution soon enough...That's just speculation...

juliet isnt evil, she's a snake. a snake doesnt bite you because its evil, it bites you because its a snake and thats what they do.

she it trying to get off the island and away from those who have held her there. if that means screwing the survivors, she'll do it. if that means cooperating with the survivors, she do that too. she has no loyalty to anyone but herself so you cant predict what she will do. it depends on her calculations of how likely a particular action is to get her what she wants.

I think my favorite character would have to be either the witch or the giant turtle. (http://www.superdeluxe.com/sd/contentDetail.do?id=D81F2344BF5AC7BB29A4AEDE0D956F45CC7B35FAFE1B8CD6)

Jack seems to have gone crazy in the past few episodes.

He's not the only one... Sayid, Charlie and a few others seem to have had their sanity gradually eroded, starting in season 2.

And yes, I agree with Ashmoria's assessment of Juliet.

That "daddy issues" comment was a good point, by the way.

I thought it was particularly relevant after this past episode given the biblical significance of the name "Jacob" (a "Jacob," who, incidentally, considers a "Benjamin" his favorite). I'm not sure I can think of a better name to suggest the concept of universal fatherhood...

Unfortunately it will be a while till I get to watch again. Oh, and I V Stalin, that site you did not recommend ;) upthread - will a computer loser like me be able to find their way around it? Bah, I'll just go check it out.
There's a search bar at the top of the page. When you're searching for an episode, do it in the format "Lost s xx e xx", where s xx is the series number (so s 03 for series 3) and e xx is the episode number (so the most recent episode was s 03 e 20).

*bounces in chair, eagerly awaiting the next episode*

Well, as we wait for 3.21...

I've cobbled together a couple of "Lost" wallpapers. It only took me a few moments, pasting images together, but I'm using one as my wallpaper now. Feel free to use them. ;)

seasons 1 & 2 (http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8136/lostmosaicjh1.jpg)
seasons 2 & 3 (http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5952/lostmosaic2on1.jpg) (up to and including episode 3.20)

Well, another good episode yesterday! :)

Does anyone know whether next week's episode is the season finale, or whether there's one more after that?

I'm also wondering whether we'll finally find out about Michael and Walt before the season ends...

Here, for no particular reason, is a list of the number of flashback episodes per character so far (if I've counted correctly):


Jack: 7
Locke: 7
Kate: 6
Sun: 5
Charlie: 4
Hurley: 4
Sawyer: 4
Sayid: 4
Claire: 3
Desmond: 3
Michael: 3
Eko: 3
Ana-Lucia: 2
Jin: 2
Juliet: 2
Ben: 1
Boone: 1
Nikki: 1
Paulo: 1
Shannon: 1
Libby: 0
Walt: 0

I need to se the last one!

*Goes off to torrent sites*

I need to se the last one!

*Goes off to torrent sites*
Downloading as I type. :)

Though only because I couldn't find it this morning before I left for work. :mad:

Well, another good episode yesterday! :)

Does anyone know whether next week's episode is the season finale, or whether there's one more after that?

I'm also wondering whether we'll finally find out about Michael and Walt before the season ends...



next week is the season finale

and gravlen, you dont have to steal the episode, its for free at abc.com

if they want to keep the same actor as walt they need to do something before its obvious that he has aged 3 years in 90 days. i assume thats why they had him and michael escape

Does anyone know whether next week's episode is the season finale, or whether there's one more after that?
It is the finale, but it's a two-hour episode.

Locke and Sayid, they make thing happens.

I just can't stand Jack.

and gravlen, you dont have to steal the episode, its for free at abc.com
For people within the US...

next week is the season finale


Thanks. So only 23 episodes (counting next week's as two episodes), instead of 24 for season 2, and 25 for season 1.


if they want to keep the same actor as walt they need to do something before its obvious that he has aged 3 years in 90 days. i assume thats why they had him and michael escape

Indeed; that's been a major problem right from season 2.


You'll notice that, in season 2, Walt is never seen clearly in the light of day. He's seen either at night, in a dark room, or very very briefly. When he's re-united with Michael on the boat, he comes out of the shadows and hugs his father, and the camera doesn't focus on him long. But if you freeze the picture you can see that he's aged, and looks 12 instead of 10.

On the other hand, I don't see how they can answer the whole Walt mystery without bringing him back into the picture and showing him on screen again. And it would be unthinkable for them not to answer all the questions around him. Maybe they'll incorporate his ageing into the story somehow - although I really don't see how.

For people within the US...

oh

the bastards

Downloading as I type. :)

Though only because I couldn't find it this morning before I left for work. :mad:
:) I like to use Torrentspy to find my torrents... :)
and gravlen, you dont have to steal the episode, its for free at abc.com
I'm not stealing... I'm just curious as to the quality of the... um... I'm just borrowing... >.>

Look behind you! It's a three-headed monkey!

*Flees*

:) I like to use Torrentspy to find my torrents... :)

I'm not stealing... I'm just curious as to the quality of the... um... I'm just borrowing... >.>

Look behind you! It's a three-headed monkey!

*Flees*

lol

if you HAVE to steal it, its a whole nother story. forget i said anything.

Thanks. So only 23 episodes (counting next week's as two episodes), instead of 24 for season 2, and 25 for season 1.



Indeed; that's been a major problem right from season 2.


You'll notice that, in season 2, Walt is never seen clearly in the light of day. He's seen either at night, in a dark room, or very very briefly. When he's re-united with Michael on the boat, he comes out of the shadows and hugs his father, and the camera doesn't focus on him long. But if you freeze the picture you can see that he's aged, and looks 12 instead of 10.

On the other hand, I don't see how they can answer the whole Walt mystery without bringing him back into the picture and showing him on screen again. And it would be unthinkable for them not to answer all the questions around him. Maybe they'll incorporate his ageing into the story somehow - although I really don't see how.



they'll have to get another actor to play walt. he's only getting older while walt stays the same.

Did it end yet? And if it did, can someone tell me what happened?

*totally forgot about Lost*

Did it end yet? And if it did, can someone tell me what happened?

*totally forgot about Lost*

yeah it turned out all to be a goof.

remember desmond and his rich girlfriend? her dad decided to test him by setting up the island. everyone was an actor except the plane crash people. as soon as desmond escaped from the hatch they decided to pull the plug on the whole thing and it took a few weeks to get that done. desmond is going to stand trial for murdering his hatch companiion.

yeah it turned out all to be a goof.

remember desmond and his rich girlfriend? her dad decided to test him by setting up the island. everyone was an actor except the plane crash people. as soon as desmond escaped from the hatch they decided to pull the plug on the whole thing and it took a few weeks to get that done. desmond is going to stand trial for murdering his hatch companiion.

http://xr-s.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

http://xr-s.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

or you could get the episodes from the net and see what really happened

yeah it turned out all to be a goof.

remember desmond and his rich girlfriend? her dad decided to test him by setting up the island. everyone was an actor except the plane crash people. as soon as desmond escaped from the hatch they decided to pull the plug on the whole thing and it took a few weeks to get that done. desmond is going to stand trial for murdering his hatch companiion.
Pfft. That's a bit far-fetched, don't you think? ;)

or you could get the episodes from the net and see what really happened

I've been doing that with The Sopranos, and it seems my ISP is spying on me. They yelled at me. :(

So... Who voted for Ben or Juliet as their favourite character? :p

lost what?

=^^=
.../\...

Sayid is the MAN.

Nuff said.

Jack?

Hes an asshole.
More importantly, is it just me, or does he risk his own life WAY too much, considering hes the only doctor on the island?

More importantly, is it just me, or does he risk his own life WAY too much, considering hes the only doctor on the island?

Jack... seems to have flipped too now. They're all going insane on that island, I tell you.

I mean... a doctor saying "Yeah, let's blow'em all up!"? And he seemed to be getting on so well with Tom, too... :p

Meanwhile, the unanswered questions about Michael, Walt and Libby remain, much to my frustration.

I think it's probable someone is going to die in the finale. It could be Locke. It could be Charlie. And I wouldn't be all that surprised if it were Jack, Juliet or Desmond.

Jack... seems to have flipped too now. They're all going insane on that island, I tell you.

I mean... a doctor saying "Yeah, let's blow'em all up!"? And he seemed to be getting on so well with Tom, too... :p

Meanwhile, the unanswered questions about Michael, Walt and Libby remain, much to my frustration.

I think it's probable someone is going to die in the finale. It could be Locke. It could be Charlie. And I wouldn't be all that surprised if it were Jack, Juliet or Desmond.
Won't be Jack. They were going to kill him off in the pilot but didn't because test audiences like the character too much (fuck knows why). I've got my money on Charlie because (mega spoiler in the box below this...seriously, this is like a future spoiler even for those who have seen all the televised episodes so far)...

As for Walt, there is much speculation (on Lostpedia and the Fuselage), that they're going to use the same actor and explain it through some screwed up time thing - remember how Richard Alpert doesn't seem to have aged at all?

re. Charlie - Dominic Monaghan isn't signed up for the next series...read into that what you will

re. Charlie - Dominic Monaghan isn't signed up for the next series...read into that what you will

Nooooooooooooooooo! *loves Charlie* :(

Eh. I'm not much for Lost, cuz...oh how did he put it..."Things only pretend to happen in that show".

Nooooooooooooooooo! *loves Charlie* :(

*sniffle* its not like they havent warned us.

*sniffle* its not like they havent warned us.
Lol :p

I personally like Sayid's role.

However, I still have one question that's burning my mind up...

What the hell killed the pilot that was yanked out the windshield of the crashed forward half of the plane?

I've not seen any of season 3 yet. No cable. :( I'll wait till it comes out on DVD like the first two seasons did and rent it then.

I personally like Sayid's role.

However, I still have one question that's burning my mind up...

What the hell killed the pilot that was yanked out the windshield of the crashed forward half of the plane?

I've not seen any of season 3 yet. No cable. :( I'll wait till it comes out on DVD like the first two seasons did and rent it then.

im assuming it was the puff of smoke monster.

im assuming it was the puff of smoke monster.

Ooh! Can I vote for it?

im assuming it was the puff of smoke monster.

That's not good enough for me. If it was the smoke monster, I want to know what the monster truly looks like. Who controls it? Why does it kill? Who is the man behind the curtain?

My questions and pondering thoughts never cease...somehow, I'm still sane.


I think...

I pick Rogue.

*sniffle* its not like they havent warned us.

Well, yeah. I just keep hoping that there will be some way around that. And after this last episode, it seems that Desmond's precognitive flashes are not always 100% accurate, so Charlie might still have a chance...

im sure you do but that question hasnt been answered yet, only hinted at.

Don't ya hate when they do that?

I'd rather not beat around the bush. I'll just set a fire to it.

That's not good enough for me. If it was the smoke monster, I want to know what the monster truly looks like. Who controls it? Why does it kill? Who is the man behind the curtain?

My questions and pondering thoughts never cease...somehow, I'm still sane.


I think...

im sure you do but that question hasnt been answered yet, only hinted at.

Well, yeah. I just keep hoping that there will be some way around that. And after this last episode, it seems that Desmond's precognitive flashes are not always 100% accurate, so Charlie might still have a chance...

well me too. i assumed they would find a way to save him until mean old stalin (boy is HE accurately named!) said that dom monaghan isnt under contract for the next season. its the same way you know in advance whether or not the soap opera star is going to recover from the mysterious illness.

What the hell killed the pilot that was yanked out the windshield of the crashed forward half of the plane?


The smoke monster. And since you haven't seen season 3, I won't tell you what some of us here think the smoke monster is, based on a certain episode. ;)

Oh, and people... Could you indicate (like IV Stalin did) whether your spoilers are for past or future episodes? 'cos now I don't dare highlight the spoilers anymore. :p (I'm not even going to watch the trailer for the season finale. There are far too many spoilers in the trailers.)

well me too. i assumed they would find a way to save him until mean old stalin (boy is HE accurately named!) said that dom monaghan isnt under contract for the next season. its the same way you know in advance whether or not the soap opera star is going to recover from the mysterious illness.
It wasn't as if I didn't give you a warning...

Though I apologise if I've ruined it for you. Bet you thought he'd drown, though.

That was a cool ending to the episode. (Spoiler for the last episode shown on ABC)

So...you think they're DHARMA, Others, or something else?

Personally I don't quite understand why, if they thought the Looking Glass was completely flooded, they didn't just cut the cable on the beach...

It wasn't as if I didn't give you a warning...

Though I apologise if I've ruined it for you. Bet you thought he'd drown, though.

That was a cool ending to the episode. (Spoiler for the last episode shown on ABC)

So...you think they're DHARMA, Others, or something else?

Personally I don't quite understand why, if they thought the Looking Glass was completely flooded, they didn't just cut the cable on the beach...

noo i like little spoilers. im glad you posted it. there is something odd about it though because they dont usually cut an actor completely loose because they need him in flashbacks of other peoples stories

i dont see how they can be dharma because they would have had to live there for so long. *shudder* plus the others are supposed to have brought the submarine there, right?

and just HOW do you cut a cable that thick?

It is a very stupid show and even my sister has realised that it is stupid.
I watched the first 2 episodes, my favourite characters are the dead one because they are dead.
The more that die the more favourites i will have.
The old cripple that walks is pretty cool though, he reminds me of Eutrusa.:)

noo i like little spoilers. im glad you posted it. there is something odd about it though because they dont usually cut an actor completely loose because they need him in flashbacks of other peoples stories

i dont see how they can be dharma because they would have had to live there for so long. *shudder* plus the others are supposed to have brought the submarine there, right?

and just HOW do you cut a cable that thick?
I think the actor who plays/ed Walt was a "guest star" for season 2, so it's possible Dominic Monaghan would be a guest star for whichever episodes he does.

Ok...so probably not DHARMA. Another question. Did Juliet know there were people there, or did she really believe it was flooded?

Do you not remember Locke's knife case? :p

I think the actor who plays/ed Walt was a "guest star" for season 2, so it's possible Dominic Monaghan would be a guest star for whichever episodes he does.

Ok...so probably not DHARMA. Another question. Did Juliet know there were people there, or did she really believe it was flooded?

Do you not remember Locke's knife case? :p


juliet is out of the loop for a lot of things. remember how freaked she was at the monster when she was handcuffed to kate? i dont think she probably knew the place wasnt flooded.

did locke's knife case include big ass cable cutters? its very hard to cut cable, thats why it holds up bridges.

Are those spoilers for the next episode or for past episodes, damn you all? I want to know if I can read them. :p

Are those spoilers for the next episode or for past episodes, damn you all? I want to know if I can read them. :p
Heh. :p

Erm...part of mine was a future one, but Ashmoria's is fine for you. Here's the part of mine that you can read:

Ok...so probably not DHARMA. Another question. Did Juliet know there were people there, or did she really believe it was flooded?

Do you not remember Locke's knife case?

And @ Ashmoria:
As far as I can tell, the cable is just an electric cable, not a steel cable. Might not be such a good idea to cut it, but they could.

Erm...part of mine was a future one, but Ashmoria's is fine for you. Here's the part of mine that you can read:

Thanks. ;)

All my "spoilers" are of course about past episodes.



Did Juliet know there were people there, or did she really believe it was flooded?



I've been wondering that... Both are possible.

Ben himself has admitted that he's been hiding things from his own people, so she may genuinely not have known.


And @ Ashmoria:
As far as I can tell, the cable is just an electric cable, not a steel cable. Might not be such a good idea to cut it, but they could.

Yes... I wonder why they didn't think of that.


I'm also wondering why the station actually isn't flooded. Surely the water should rise up into it?

I'm also wondering why the station actually isn't flooded. Surely the water should rise up into it?
Pressurised chamber, I assume.

NB: I didn't spoiler-ise that because firstly it doesn't really spoil anything, and secondly as a standalone statement, it probably just adds to the confusion of those who've not seen the episode yet...

Another question about the last episode would be...

What exactly is Desmond doing? "This time, you've got to die"? Is getting off the island really worth sacrificing Charlie's life for?

Hmmm... Nobody has picked Boone yet as their favourite character.

i dont know anything about the future



And @ Ashmoria:
As far as I can tell, the cable is just an electric cable, not a steel cable. Might not be such a good idea to cut it, but they could.

it looked like a standard steel cable to me.



I'm also wondering why the station actually isn't flooded. Surely the water should rise up into it?

take a glass, turn it upside down, and push it down into a sink full of water. it will not fill up unless you tilt the glass enough to let the air out

as a former monk, desmond is confused as to whether he should let charlie die, like abraham sacrificing isaac, if he should continue saving charlie or if he should take charlie's place, like jesus taking on the sins of the world.

and he really really wants to see penny again.

My favourite character is that one they're introducing next season.
Looks GOOOOOOOD.
*nods*

My favourite character is that one they're introducing next season.
Looks GOOOOOOOD.
*nods*
The Flying Spaghetti Monster?

I've been watching a bit of season 1 again recently... Damn, but that really has been the best season so far! (Although season 3 has also been very good.)

Possibly the best scene (in my view) was in "Walkabout" (1.04), when we discover Locke in a wheelchair in the flashback at the very end of the episode ("Don't tell me what I can't do!"). The music in that scene is great, too. The whole episode, in fact, letting us find out about Locke after the first three episodes had painted him as such a "man of mystery"...

I've been watching a bit of season 1 again recently... Damn, but that really has been the best season so far! (Although season 3 has also been very good.)

Possibly the best scene (in my view) was in "Walkabout" (1.04), when we discover Locke in a wheelchair in the flashback at the very end of the episode ("Don't tell me what I can't do!"). The music in that scene is great, too. The whole episode, in fact, letting us find out about Locke after the first three episodes had painted him as such a "man of mystery"...
*doesn't read the thread or look at any of the spoiler*

I remember really liking Claire's first flashback episode, where we learn that she was going to give away her baby. She went to that psychic who basically made her get on flight 815 so as to keep her child away from danger ("he has to stay with you, or there will be big evil and darkness blah blah") after it became clear she was determined to give it away. At the time, that seemed like an awesome clue into what was going on in the show... by now, everyone has long forgotten about it... :rolleyes: And of course now that I think about it, it either 1) didn't make sense after all, because the evil darkness only came about because she was on the island in the first place, or 2) it means that her kid was somehow destined to end up on that island anyway sooner or later and succumb to evil darkness, or 3) that the evil darkness on the island is in fact no such thing and really just a piece of cake that's saving her kid from whatever fate it would have had in the outside world...

Ah, Lost. 1 answer always begetting 1000 new questions. :rolleyes:

In a similar vein: the still (at least up to where I've watched) unanswered thing about Walt's "abilities". Like the bird in Australia (IIRC he made it crash into the window because he was mad and then revived it again) and the fact that the dead-by-now black woman with the Others asked about if he could make strange things happen around him.
Seeing how none of the others had any kind of special abilities before the Island wouldn't that put him at the center of whatever the big secret is?

Another question about the last episode would be...

What exactly is Desmond doing? "This time, you've got to die"? Is getting off the island really worth sacrificing Charlie's life for?

Yes.

Though given what occurred at the end of the last episode you have to wonder if the prediction was simple bullshit and Desmond had some reason of his own to go down there.

At the time, that seemed like an awesome clue into what was going on in the show...


Indeed. It was quite the revelation. Although remember that same "psyshic" later told Eko that he (the psyshic) was a fraud. I'm still inclined to believe that he knew, though. Otherwise... why on earth tell her to board a specific flight for Los Angeles, of all places?


In a similar vein: the still (at least up to where I've watched) unanswered thing about Walt's "abilities". Like the bird in Australia (IIRC he made it crash into the window because he was mad and then revived it again) and the fact that the dead-by-now black woman with the Others asked about if he could make strange things happen around him.
Seeing how none of the others had any kind of special abilities before the Island wouldn't that put him at the center of whatever the big secret is?

One would think so, yes. Which is why I don't see how this can just be forgotten.

Indeed. It was quite the revelation. Although remember that same "psyshic" later told Eko that he (the psyshic) was a fraud. I'm still inclined to believe that he knew, though. Otherwise... why on earth tell her to board a specific flight for Los Angeles, of all places?



One would think so, yes. Which is why I don't see how this can just be forgotten.

the more i think about walt, the more i am sure that he and michael have been recaptured and are being held somewhere else. ben would never let anyone get away. why would he keep a promise now and let such an important child slip away?

Indeed. It was quite the revelation. Although remember that same "psyshic" later told Eko that he (the psyshic) was a fraud. I'm still inclined to believe that he knew, though. Otherwise... why on earth tell her to board a specific flight for Los Angeles, of all places?Holy Lostzilla, I don't even remember that. :confused: Well, it's ringing a bell at the very, very back of my head. Very quietly. Maybe. <<
But yeah, either way he must have known something at least this once.

One would think so, yes. Which is why I don't see how this can just be forgotten.This is so totally going to be one of those shows where it ends and you just KNOW you'll have to watch it all over again in light of the solution. And don't you already know that not everything is really going to fit? Le sigh. :(

By the way, I'm going to catch up to 3/18 on Wednesday, if everything works out. Five episodes in one sitting, whee. :p

The last one I watched had the revelation that Claire is Jack's half-sister. :eek::)

Heh, it seems just about everyone on the island has some kind of connection to Jack's father but that particular revelation was indeed a doozy. :)


Ah, I love using spoilers. Makes what I have to say seem so mysterious.

the more i think about walt, the more i am sure that he and michael have been recaptured and are being held somewhere else. ben would never let anyone get away. why would he keep a promise now and let such an important child slip away?

Several possibilities:

- He decided that Walt isn't really as important as all that.
- He thinks he's got all he can out of Walt.
- He knows it's impossible for Michael and Walt to actually get anywhere (and expects them to perish at sea or return to the island).
- He was telling the truth when he said it didn't matter since no-one would be able to find the island even if Michael talked and people believed him.
- He was simply being true to his word. If he genuinely considers himself to be a "good guy", that may be important to him.


Incidentally, if Naomi is telling the truth, that means Michael either never reached dry land, or he didn't tell anyone about the island and its survivors.

On an unrelated topic... am I the only one here who actually rather likes Nikki and Paulo, and who thinks that introducing them into the story was a very good idea?

And don't you already know that not everything is really going to fit?

I hope it does, or I'll be very disappointed.


By the way, I'm going to catch up to 3/18 on Wednesday, if everything works out.

3.18, let's see... Ah. Yes, a rather good episode, that. In fact... well, I'll be curious to hear what you think once you've seen it. :p

(3.18 mild spoiler: )

THE biggest revelation of season 3 so far, I think.


The last one I watched had the revelation that Claire is Jack's half-sister. :eek::)

Yup. We really should have seen that coming. ;)

Heh, it seems just about everyone on the island has some kind of connection to Jack's father but that particular revelation was indeed a doozy. :)


Ah, I love using spoilers. Makes what I have to say seem so mysterious.Yeah, but so far it was just "oh well, she ran into him in a bar, doesn't even remember him". Also, it never seemed to me like those encounters were any more important or odd than the encounters between the survivors themselves, like Hurley & Libby, or even just Jack & Ana Lucia in the airport bar. So I never really had Jack's dad pinned as some special center of things.

On an unrelated topic... am I the only one here who actually rather likes Nikki and Paulo, and who thinks that introducing them into the story was a very good idea?(Man, replying to a post with a spoiler in it is dangerous! :eek: Lucky for me that I redirected my gaze immediately while deleting the lines. :P)

And yes, yes you are. :p

So far, I hate hate hate them. Hate them.

They would have had my goodwill all the way through maybe half of season two, when I was regularly poking fun at the fact that nobody else on the island ever got to do anything besides stand around and maybe nod, just so they didn't have to pay the poor extras for an actual speaking role.
But NOW? Hell no. Way too late in the game. And with the survivors scattered all across the island there's enough people to keep track of and show each episode that you really don't need new one.

And you have no idea how much I hated it that, in the first or second episode they were in, there's all these people like Locke and Sayeed in the surveillance hatch and nobody thinks of switching on the damn TVs until the new girl said so?!?!?!?!?! Arrrrrrrrrrrrghhhh. >.<

My favourite is Jacob. How cool is it to be invisible AND in dire need?

3.18, let's see... Ah. Yes, a rather good episode, that. In fact... well, I'll be curious to hear what you think once you've seen it. :p

(3.18 mild spoiler: )

THE biggest revelation of season 3 so far, I think.Oh noes! It's the last one my friend downloaded for me! I'll be left hanging from the cliff! *cries* *goes off to search for Stalin's link earlier...*

Yup. We really should have seen that coming. ;)To my credit, I totally saw it coming before the friends I was watching it with did. Still only during the episode, though. :p

So far, I hate hate hate them. Hate them.

They would have had my goodwill all the way through maybe half of season two, when I was regularly poking fun at the fact that nobody else on the island ever got to do anything besides stand around and maybe nod, just so they didn't have to pay the poor extras for an actual speaking role.
But NOW? Hell no. Way too late in the game. And with the survivors scattered all across the island there's enough people to keep track of and show each episode that you really don't need new one.

Yes, but it's interesting to have new characters. ;) And I've always had a fondness for obscure characters suddenly thrust into the limelight. I just don't get all the hostility poor ole' Nikki & Paulo have had heaped upon them.

(mild spoiler on an episode you've already seen: )

Plus, their flashback episode has been one of the best episodes of season 3 so far.


And you have no idea how much I hated it that, in the first or second episode they were in, there's all these people like Locke and Sayeed in the surveillance hatch and nobody thinks of switching on the damn TVs until the new girl said so?!?!?!?!?! Arrrrrrrrrrrrghhhh. >.<

Heh. Well, they didn't think of it in season 2 (while I thought of it as soon as I saw all the screens) so if they didn't think of it first time round, it sort of made sense for it to be a "newcomer" who thought of it. ;)

Yeah, but so far it was just "oh well, she ran into him in a bar, doesn't even remember him". Also, it never seemed to me like those encounters were any more important or odd than the encounters between the survivors themselves, like Hurley & Libby, or even just Jack & Ana Lucia in the airport bar. So I never really had Jack's dad pinned as some special center of things.

I don't know, in all the flashbacks it seems that he is a part of the biggest percentage of them. I wouldn't be at all surprised that later in the show there is some discovery that he had some connection to the Others organization in the outside world. Him dying when he did and the circumstances getting Jack on the plane seem convenient to me.

But then maybe Lost is getting me to see conspiracies everywhere. :p

(mild spoiler on an episode you've already seen: )

Plus, their flashback episode has been one of the best episodes of season 3 so far.I totally haven't seen that episode yet! Good thing it wasn't really a spoiler. *glares* ;p
The last one I've seen ended with Locke seeing his father tied up in that small room.
Heh. Well, they didn't think of it in season 2 (while I thought of it as soon as I saw all the screens) so if they didn't think of it first time round, it sort of made sense for it to be a "newcomer" who thought of it. ;)*refuses to listen* <.< :p

I don't know, in all the flashbacks it seems that he is a part of the biggest percentage of them. I wouldn't be at all surprised that later in the show there is some discovery that he had some connection to the Others organization in the outside world. Him dying when he did and the circumstances getting Jack on the plane seem convenient to me.

But then maybe Lost is getting me to see conspiracies everywhere. :pWell, you're probably right about all of them. :p
And yeah, that's true. I was thinking about that earlier. I mean, he *is* a doctor, after all, so who knows what the hell went down with him and Dharma or whatever (right now, I don't even know if the Others = Dharma... *rolleyes*). Remember, I'm several episodes behind, so I may well be talking crap. In my world, the Ethan-recruiting-Juliet-the-pregnancy-doctor thing is still quite fresh and mysterious.

I totally haven't seen that episode yet! Good thing it wasn't really a spoiler. *glares* ;p


Buh... When you said "I'm going to catch up to 3/18 on Wednesday", I thought you meant you'd seen up to 3.17 (included). I should pay closer attention.

I won't tell you which one it is, then. ;)

I mean, he *is* a doctor, after all, so who knows what the hell went down with him and Dharma or whatever (right now, I don't even know if the Others = Dharma... *rolleyes*). Remember, I'm several episodes behind, so I may well be talking crap. In my world, the Ethan-recruiting-Juliet-the-pregnancy-doctor thing is still quite fresh and mysterious.

Well I certainly encourage you to catch up on your episodes. They seem to get better every time. Though if you are as far behind as you are I'd be surprised if you haven't gotten a few pieces of what is to come.

Buh... When you said "I'm going to catch up to 3/18 on Wednesday", I thought you meant you'd seen up to 3.17 (included). I should pay closer attention.Ah, I see. I thought I was being totally clear with the "5 episodes in one sitting" thing and I didn't know how to actually say what I meant besides "catch up to". Sorry. >.< :p

Well I certainly encourage you to catch up on your episodes. They seem to get better every time.

Indeed. There are at least three very good episodes in the next five WYTYG is about to see.

(spoilers about those episodes):
"Exposé", "Catch-22" and "D.O.C." - the latter if only for the ending. "Left Behind" isn't quite as good, imho. And "One of Us", of course, is interesting because it's about an Other...

As a similar theme to this thread... What's your favourite episode from season 3 so far?

Here, as a reminder, is a list of those episodes, with a reminder of whose flashbacks feature in each. If you haven't seen all the episodes yet, I strongly advise you NOT to highlight this spoiler.


3.01 "A Tale of Two Cities" (Jack)
3.02 "The Glass Ballerina" (Sun)
3.03 "Further Instructions" (Locke)
3.04 "Every Man for Himself" (Sawyer)
3.05 "The Cost of Living" (Eko)
3.06 "I Do" (Kate)
3.07 "Not in Portland" (Juliet)
3.08 "Flashes Before Your Eyes" (Desmond)
3.09 "Stranger in a Strange Land" (Jack)
3.10 "Tricia Tanaka is Dead" (Hurley)
3.11 "Enter 77" (Sayid)
3.12 "Par Avion" (Claire)
3.13 "The Man from Tallahassee" (Locke)
3.14 "Exposé" (Nikki & Paulo)
3.15 "Left Behind" (Kate)
3.16 "One of Us" (Juliet)
3.17 "Catch-22" (Desmond)
3.18 "D.O.C." (Sun)
3.19 "The Brig" (Locke)
3.20 "The Man Behind the Curtain" (Ben)
3.21 "Greatest Hits" (Charlie)

Is it me, or have the various Jack and Kate episodes generally not been as good as the others? Anyway, "Flashes Before Your Eyes" would (imho) be a strong contender for best episode this season, as would "Exposé". "Catch-22" was also very good - as all Desmond episodes so far have been.

As a similar theme to this thread... What's your favourite episode from season 3 so far?

Here, as a reminder, is a list of those episodes, with a reminder of whose flashbacks feature in each. If you haven't seen all the episodes yet, I strongly advise you NOT to highlight this spoiler.[/spoiler]
"Enter 77" and "The Man Behind the Curtain".

You know 77 = 4+8+23+42? OMG! T3h conzpiraseeeee! :D

I've been watching a bit of season 1 again recently... Damn, but that really has been the best season so far! (Although season 3 has also been very good.)
This weekend (Friday night through to Monday night (yay Bank Holidays!)), I'm going to watch all of Seasons 1, 2 and 3, culminating in the Season 3 finale. Woo! :p

God, I'm sad.

This weekend (Friday night through to Monday night (yay Bank Holidays!)), I'm going to watch all of Seasons 1, 2 and 3, culminating in the Season 3 finale. Woo! :p:eek: God, you'll go bonkers! There's gonna be at least 3 nights filled with rambling Lost dreams!

And, um, does that mean the finale is next week?

:eek: God, you'll go bonkers! There's gonna be at least 3 nights filled with rambling Lost dreams!
Where else but in my dreams will it actually make sense?

And, um, does that mean the finale is next week?
This week - Wednesday night in America.

Indeed. There are at least three very good episodes in the next five WYTYG is about to see.

Absolutely.

I still can't get over that episode where Ben takes Locke to meet Jacob. I admit that I nearly let my jaw drop with the way that turned out. Freaky. And the end of the episode? Wow. Of course I'm pretty certain that Ben shooting Locke is going to come back and take a great big chunk out of his ass.

Absolutely.

I still can't get over that episode where Ben takes Locke to meet Jacob. I admit that I nearly let my jaw drop with the way that turned out. Freaky. And the end of the episode? Wow. Of course I'm pretty certain that Ben shooting Locke is going to come back and take a great big chunk out of his ass.

you know it is!
:headbang:
why did jacob ask locke for help? why couldnt ben hear what jacob said? what kind of help does a being like jacob need (that ben cant provide ;)or hear asked for) OR is he just ;)as much a manipulator as ben is? and how pissed will jacob be when he finds out that ben shot the guy he asked for help? im pretty sure ben shot locke for his :(own "non-high-priest-of-jacob" reasons.

does it imply that ben isnt doing "the will of jacob"? is jacob some kind of ben prisoner like the rest:confused: of them? is ben leader of the others because he is "high priest of jacob"? (explaining why the young man was clearly the leader when they mudered everyone else.)
:eek::eek::eek:



emoticons added at random because i love seeing them drift in a sea of black

This week - Wednesday night in America.

And therefore Thursday for the rest of us. The grand finale, double-length episode, in just three days now!

why couldnt ben hear what jacob said?


And why could Ben see him but not Locke? Is Jacob doing this deliberately? I suppose so - if he is indeed all the ghosts and apparitions we keep seeing.


and how pissed will jacob be when he finds out that ben shot the guy he asked for help? im pretty sure ben shot locke for his own "non-high-priest-of-jacob" reasons.


Undoubtedly. Locke was threatening his authority.


does it imply that ben isnt doing "the will of jacob"? is jacob some kind of ben prisoner like the rest:confused: of them? is ben leader of the others because he is "high priest of jacob"? (explaining why the young man was clearly the leader when they mudered everyone else.)



It could very well be something like that. Remember when they (well, Richard) first met Ben, and were so impressed at the fact that he'd seen his "mother"? If that was actually Jacob...

Of course, I'm just speculating wildly. :p

*squints so as not to read the spoilers in the quotes; quickly deletes*

Where else but in my dreams will it actually make sense?Sad but true.

And therefore Thursday for the rest of us. The grand finale, double-length episode, in just three days now!Double-lenght, ooh, nice! But do they actually screen both halves on one day in the US? Usually they drag everything out like hell over there.

emoticons added at random because i love seeing them drift in a sea of blackFantastic. :p

And why could Ben see him but not Locke? Is Jacob doing this deliberately? I suppose so - if he is indeed all the ghosts and apparitions we keep seeing.

It could very well be something like that. Remember when they (well, Richard) first met Ben, and were so impressed at the fact that he'd seen his "mother"? If that was actually Jacob...
Re. if Jacob is the apparitions etc (ie. Kate's horse, Jack's dad, Ben's mother, Yemi). It was confirmed, I think in one of the podcasts, that...

...these apparitions are manifestations of the monster
Spoileriffic.

And for WYTYG, yes, it will be a two-hour long episode. Well, closer to 90 minutes for us who get it off the torrent sites. 700 bloody MBs. Not sure I've got that much space on my hard drive, considering I have the rest of season 3...

And for Ariddia: Thursday for you...Monday for me! I think that come next Tuesday I can safely say my weekend will have been Lost...;)

Hehe...

The grand finale tomorrow! :)

non-spoilerish screencap I've taken of a recent episode:
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4468/vlcsnap173840ad8.jpg

What are they all so startled or frightened by?

Find out by watching episode 3.21! (the latest episode so far) :p

non-spoilerish screencap I've taken of a recent episode:
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4468/vlcsnap173840ad8.jpg

What are they all so startled or frightened by?

Find out by watching episode 3.21! (the latest episode so far) :p
Oooh, oooh, pick me teacher, I'm ever so smart!

It's Ben morphing into Skeletor!

Are people still watching Lost? I gave up half way through Season three - the tiresome, nonsensical plot finally exhausted by previously unlimited supplies of suspended disbelief.

My favourite character? None of them - each one was a walking cliché with dialogue that sounded as if it were written by George Lucas on a bad day. The acting was sub-par, even by the lacklustre standards of American drama. I personally cheered every time on of the wretches died: the more painful it was, the harder I cheered.

Well, let me be the first to say that that finale was insane.

First of all, bah to the killing of Charlie! I knew it was going to happen, but still...bah!

Unfortunately, I predicted approximately what was going on with the "flashback" (flashfront?) series, which kind of spoiled the shock of the ending, although I'm still rather baffled as to whether Jack's father is actually alive in this potential future or if Jack has just become delusional on top of his other problems.

Also, little Walt sure has aged, hasn't he? :p

Oh, and Hurley's heroic charge in the VW? Best Thing Ever.

Well, let me be the first to say that that finale was insane.
As a guess of what will happen next season - because they "did the wrong thing" I'm thinking that somehow it will get undone, and they'll have a chance to do it over again.

*dons flamesuit*

I don't watch Lost, never have watched Lost, and have no intention to ever Watch lost.

*nods behind flamesuit*

My curiosity has gotten the best of me, and I've read the spoilers. Not to worry, I'll forget about any of them by the time I wake up in the morning. Hell, I can't even remember what I had for breakfast today! O_o

Has anyone ever watched the LOST DVDs and fell asleep to that creepy music? I know I have. I've had a few unsettling dreams as a result...

I'd then wake up and curse the menu screen...

Personally, Mikhail is my boy.

Has anyone ever watched the LOST DVDs and fell asleep to that creepy music? I know I have. I've had a few unsettling dreams as a result...

No, but I did once download the music from the end of an episode in season 1 and play it on a loop for three days straight. :p

Personally, Mikhail is my boy.

Well, he does appear to be immortal. That's pretty neat.

Well, he does appear to be immortal. That's pretty neat.

He does, doesn't he? A rather useful ability, that...

About Walt -

See? I was right! :p I said they might bring him back with his current age and somehow explain it. Except that they haven't explained it yet, of course...

I'm annoyed about Charlie dying, even if it wasn't that much of a surprise. He was one of my favourite characters. On the other hand, I half-expected Locke to actually kill Jack. (Speaking of which, now we have to wait for ages before we find out why he's alive and why his legs are working again...)

About Jack's father... I really have to assume he was delusional. Because otherwise that's really, really warped.

And who do you think was in the coffin? Juliet? (Guesses only, please. If you actually know, don't say.)

Why hasn't Kate been arrested?

Now I'm really wondering how they're going to start the next season. With everyone back home?

So many questions...

Hurley killing people, though... that's just wrong. :p

He does, doesn't he? A rather useful ability, that...

About Walt -
Is that a spoiler for the season 3 finale? Still downloading it here. I realised I don't actually have Season 1 on dvd here, because a friend of mine borrowed it. So no Lost weekend for me. Well...maybe just all of season 3...

Am I expecting too much by wanting the episodes to be up on a torrent site by 7.30am BST the day after it's shown in America? It could have easily finished downloading while I was at work, but no, I have to wait until I get home to even start it. Grrr.

Is that a spoiler for the season 3 finale?

I won't tell you whether that bit specifically is, but most of my spoiler is indeed a spoiler for the season 3 finale (which I watched this evening).

More spoilering:
I was rather disappointed that Sawyer murdered Tom - especially after Tom saved Jin, Bernard and Sayid's lives.

Incidentally, what do you all make of Ben's claims that the Others are "the good guys"?

Lostpedia has a list of all the crimes committed by the crash survivors, compared to a (shorter) list of the Others' crimes. They quote one of the series' creators who points out that the crash survivors have killed far more of the Others than the Others have killed survivors. (Which doesn't mean the Others have been innocent: Ethan murdered Scott and tried to murder Charlie; Mikhail murdered Charlie; Danny almost murdered Sawyer; one of the Others shot Sawyer on the raft, and almost caused Jin to drown; Ben tried to murder Locke; Ben ordered that Jin, Michael and Bernard be murdered...)

But do the Others genuinely consider themselves as "good guys" - and if so why? How does it relate to Jacob? Do they consider most of the crash survivors to be "bad" people?

Is Jacob the grand arbiter of Good and Bad on the island? Did Jacob kill Eko because he considered him to be "bad"? What about the pilot? Was Jacob trying to kill Jack at the beginning of season 1 by appearing to him as his father and walking him off a cliff (remember that Jack, according to the Others, is "not on Jacob's list" of good people)?

On last night's episode... (major spoiler)

It's just occured to me that Charlie is the first "Season 1 character" (i.e., major character who has been there since the beginning) to die since Shannon. Eight major characters have died, but only three of those were present from the beginning. (If I were Desmond or Juliet, I'd be getting worried.)

They bungled Charlie's death somewhat though, imho. If he had time to close the door and lock it, why didn't he have time to get out of the room and save his own life?

I caught up to episode 3/18 last night.

Now I'm mopey that I *still* can't read the spoilers here. *mopes*

If I want to talk about stuff that happened up to 3/18, do I still have to spoiler tag it?

On last night's episode... (major spoiler)

It's just occured to me that Charlie is the first "Season 1 character" (i.e., major character who has been there since the beginning) to die since Shannon. Eight major characters have died, but only three of those were present from the beginning. (If I were Desmond or Juliet, I'd be getting worried.)

They bungled Charlie's death somewhat though, imho. If he had time to close the door and lock it, why didn't he have time to get out of the room and save his own life?

Becasue Charlie believes he has to die (Desmonds visions, if an act in real life changes from the original vision, so does the future) in order to save Claire and the baby (rescue vis helicopter).

He does, doesn't he? A rather useful ability, that...

About Walt -

See? I was right! :p I said they might bring him back with his current age and somehow explain it. Except that they haven't explained it yet, of course...

I'm annoyed about Charlie dying, even if it wasn't that much of a surprise. He was one of my favourite characters. On the other hand, I half-expected Locke to actually kill Jack. (Speaking of which, now we have to wait for ages before we find out why he's alive and why his legs are working again...)

that wasnt walt, that was jacob. why would walt look down at a dying, paralysed locke can tell him he had work to do? locke is alive and walking because jacob healed him.



About Jack's father... I really have to assume he was delusional. Because otherwise that's really, really warped.

ya but if he had said something that delusional in front of the other doctor, the doc would have been forced to act on it instead of just letting him leave

And who do you think was in the coffin? Juliet? (Guesses only, please. If you actually know, don't say.)

it drove me crazy to not be told whose death sent jack into a suicidal spiral. right now im thinking that only 3 or 4 people got off the island (jack kate, kate's man and the dead guy) and the rest are still trapped there. and that THAT is what has turned jack into an addict--he cant stand that he didnt rescue his people


Why hasn't Kate been arrested?

Now I'm really wondering how they're going to start the next season. With everyone back home?

So many questions...

i cant imagine why kate wasnt arrested. and no i dont think they are going to start the next season with everyone rescued.

Hurley killing people, though... that's just wrong. :p ][/quote

are you KIDDING? hurley saving the day was the coolest part of the finale.

[QUOTE=Ariddia;12690363]I was rather disappointed that Sawyer murdered Tom - especially after Tom saved Jin, Bernard and Sayid's lives.

NO, i was very glad that sawyer killed tom. tom wasnt a good guy. i was glad that sawyer decided to take his revenge right then. tom needed killing. you dont leave an enemy alive if you dont have a way to truly make him harmless.

Incidentally, what do you all make of Ben's claims that the Others are "the good guys"?

Lostpedia has a list of all the crimes committed by the crash survivors, compared to a (shorter) list of the Others' crimes. They quote one of the series' creators who points out that the crash survivors have killed far more of the Others than the Others have killed survivors. (Which doesn't mean the Others have been innocent: Ethan murdered Scott and tried to murder Charlie; Mikhail murdered Charlie; Danny almost murdered Sawyer; one of the Others shot Sawyer on the raft, and almost caused Jin to drown; Ben tried to murder Locke; Ben ordered that Jin, Michael and Bernard be murdered...)

But do the Others genuinely consider themselves as "good guys" - and if so why? How does it relate to Jacob? Do they consider most of the crash survivors to be "bad" people?

Is Jacob the grand arbiter of Good and Bad on the island? Did Jacob kill Eko because he considered him to be "bad"? What about the pilot? Was Jacob trying to kill Jack at the beginning of season 1 by appearing to him as his father and walking him off a cliff (remember that Jack, according to the Others, is "not on Jacob's list" of good people)?

the others cant be "good guys" since they murdered everyone in the dharma institute even the little girl who was ben's only friend.

there is a 3rd outfit that is opposed to the others but that doesnt mean they are also the enemy of the survivors (but it makes better plot sense for them to be)

yeah, what is good for jacob (the island) is good and what is bad for jacob is bad. he acts in mysterious ways because he isnt human. as my sister and i were talking this morning i declared that jacob is SATAN but then decided he is probably left over thetans from that whole xenu and the volcanoes thing. i sure hope the creators are scientologists.




the 3rd group could be the dharma institute trying to regain control of the island. the island is invisible to the outside world so they might need extraordinary means to find it and get revenge on the others for murdering their people.

the dharma institute still exists to some extent out in the real world--penny's father is in it. the others also exist to some extent out in the real world. they may be at eternal war with each other.

On last night's episode... (major spoiler)

It's just occured to me that Charlie is the first "Season 1 character" (i.e., major character who has been there since the beginning) to die since Shannon. Eight major characters have died, but only three of those were present from the beginning. (If I were Desmond or Juliet, I'd be getting worried.)

They bungled Charlie's death somewhat though, imho. If he had time to close the door and lock it, why didn't he have time to get out of the room and save his own life?


my sister and i talked about that. if charlie had closed the door from the outside, desmond would have knocked him out of the way to get to penny. he had to do it from inside.

it was the "why didnt he try swimming out the broken window" that bothered me but i figured that since desmond had told him he was going to die, it set him up to not act to save himself

I caught up to episode 3/18 last night.

Huzzah!


Now I'm mopey that I *still* can't read the spoilers here. *mopes*


Awww... Here, have a Dharma cookie!


If I want to talk about stuff that happened up to 3/18, do I still have to spoiler tag it?

Probably best to, yes. So... what did you think of the end of episode 18? :p You've got some rather interesting episodes still to come.

Becasue Charlie believes he has to die (Desmonds visions, if an act in real life changes from the original vision, so does the future) in order to save Claire and the baby (rescue vis helicopter).

(episode 22/3 major spoiler: )
Yes, that makes the most sense. Hadn't Desmond said something about him flipping a switch, though? So that had changed already. (I may be wrong.)

By the way... Has Locke gone even more psycho or something? He could just have pointed his gun at Naomi and ordered her to drop the phone. He didn't have to murder her.

He could also have told Jack why using the phone was a bad idea, if he really wanted to persuade him.

I caught up to episode 3/18 last night.

Now I'm mopey that I *still* can't read the spoilers here. *mopes*

If I want to talk about stuff that happened up to 3/18, do I still have to spoiler tag it?

yes you do. although why someone not interested in spoilers would be reading this far into the thread i cant imagine

you should spoiler anything that has happened since january and probably anything that happened in season 3.

(episode 22/3 major spoiler: )
Yes, that makes the most sense. Hadn't Desmond said something about him flipping a switch, though? So that had changed already. (I may be wrong.)

By the way... Has Locke gone even more psycho or something? He could just have pointed his gun at Naomi and ordered her to drop the phone. He didn't have to murder her.

He could also have told Jack why using the phone was a bad idea, if he really wanted to persuade him.

desmond only sees the future in flashes. i think he said flip a switch but there was no switch eh?

yeah, is locke totally run by jacob's rules now? well not totally since he wouldnt kill jack...

he would have had to make up a really good lie to get jack to not use that phone. jack knew why he wanted to stop him

that wasnt walt, that was jacob. why would walt look down at a dying, paralysed locke can tell him he had work to do? locke is alive and walking because jacob healed him.



Quite probably, yes. Although it seems a bit odd for Jacob to appear as Walt, especially since Locke has already seen him. Plus, we do know that Walt is "special".

This has led me to wonder (again) whether Jacob deliberately killed Shannon by appearing to her as Walt and leading her into Ana's line of fire.


ya but if he had said something that delusional in front of the other doctor, the doc would have been forced to act on it instead of just letting him leave

Perhaps... or he could have taken pity on him.


it drove me crazy to not be told whose death sent jack into a suicidal spiral. right now im thinking that only 3 or 4 people got off the island (jack kate, kate's man and the dead guy) and the rest are still trapped there. and that THAT is what has turned jack into an addict--he cant stand that he didnt rescue his people


That's an interesting idea.

I can't think who else it could be other than Juliet. Who else would Jack feel that much grief for? We know it's someone Kate knew, and that she didn't particularly like, it seems. Juliet fits, sort of.

Your theory would mean that Desmond's flashback was wrong, though, and that Claire wasn't rescued.


are you KIDDING? hurley saving the day was the coolest part of the finale.

Seeing him arrive in the van was great, yes. :D It was seeing him run someone down that left me thinking: hmm...


NO, i was very glad that sawyer killed tom. tom wasnt a good guy. i was glad that sawyer decided to take his revenge right then. tom needed killing. you dont leave an enemy alive if you dont have a way to truly make him harmless.

Tom was essentially harmless at that point. Plus he'd finally started questioning Ben, after being (by far) his most devoted follower. AND he'd just saved Sayid, Jin and Bernard.


the others cant be "good guys" since they murdered everyone in the dharma institute even the little girl who was ben's only friend.


(actual spoiler here: )
I read somewhere that the creators of the series have confirmed Mikhail's version of events - i.e., that the Others killed the Dharma people in self-defence.


yeah, what is good for jacob (the island) is good and what is bad for jacob is bad. he acts in mysterious ways because he isnt human.

Yup, that seems to be the prevailing morality.

Although it doesn't really tell us why human beings (the Others) follow Jacob so blindly.



the 3rd group could be the dharma institute trying to regain control of the island. the island is invisible to the outside world so they might need extraordinary means to find it and get revenge on the others for murdering their people.

Very possible, yes.

the dharma institute still exists to some extent out in the real world--penny's father is in it.

But if Charlie interpreted Penny's words correctly, Naomi's people aren't with Penny. I'm wondering whether he may have misinterpreted it. Otherwise it means there are two sets of people out there looking for the island: Penny's, and Naomi's. Which is possible, but makes things even more complicated than they have been so far.

he would have had to make up a really good lie to get jack to not use that phone. jack knew why he wanted to stop him

I don't know... Would Locke really have had to lie? Let's imagine for a moment that Ben was telling the truth - which is possible, given Jack's ultimate reaction after being "rescued". If Walt/Jacob told Locke the same as Ben knows, then Locke would have reasons for not wanting them to leave the island that Jack couldn't even imagine. Locke could have told the truth, but he would have had to make it very convincing. (Of course, he couldn't really have told the truth, since that would have revealed too much to viewers...) ;)

too many spoiler tags, its making me dizzy

all i know is that that wasnt walt. he didnt act like a real person would act. and yeah, its quite possible that jacob tried to kill jack and succeeded with shannon even though he has other methods available to him.

juliet is a good answer. i have no idea who was in the coffin but i think it HAS to be someone from the island and...think about it...no matter who it was, someone else from the island would have gone to the funeral. esp if his or her death was so upsetting that jack was going to kill himself over it. if no one went, they werent able to go.

no one from the others is ever harmless. not even ben. to let tom live would have been a mistake and besides, sawyer had no way of knowing that he had let the hostages live. all HE knew is that they were tied up and on their knees--classic "kill the hostages" position. and he had plenty of grudge against tom AND he is a bit nutz after killing "crazy daddy".

if the creators think that the others are anything but evil, they are delusional about their own show. ben happily murdered his own father and everyone else he knew in dharma. thats not "good". if they had left the survivors alone, the survivors would never have known they were there let alone kill any of them. the survivors would have been happy to be friends.

penny isnt working with her father eh? she isnt dharma. she is making her own rescue effort not centered on the island but on desmond. if desmond werent there, she wouldnt be trying to get there. the other-others were looking for the island and knew somewhat about penny and desmond. maybe they are poaching on penny's discovery from the end of last season.

I don't know... Would Locke really have had to lie? Let's imagine for a moment that Ben was telling the truth - which is possible, given Jack's ultimate reaction after being "rescued". If Walt/Jacob told Locke the same as Ben knows, then Locke would have reasons for not wanting them to leave the island that Jack couldn't even imagine. Locke could have told the truth, but he would have had to make it very convincing. (Of course, he couldn't really have told the truth, since that would have revealed too much to viewers...) ;)


so he would have had to lie eh? and it would have had to be a great lie since he already blew up jack's submarine ride out

juliet is a good answer. i have no idea who was in the coffin but i think it HAS to be someone from the island and...think about it...no matter who it was, someone else from the island would have gone to the funeral. esp if his or her death was so upsetting that jack was going to kill himself over it. if no one went, they werent able to go.

Unless it was Juliet. Then it's plausible for only Jack to go. Juliet is the only possibility I can think of that makes sense. Someone whose death greatly upsets Jack, someone that Kate knows but doesn't particularly care about, or doesn't like, and, if other survivors are indeed around (and live in the vicinity), someone that no-one but Jack would care much about.


and he had plenty of grudge against tom AND he is a bit nutz after killing "crazy daddy".

Indeed. Nor is he the only one. They're all going nuts. :p


so he would have had to lie eh? and it would have had to be a great lie since he already blew up jack's submarine ride out

Or he could have tried to tell the truth. But we don't know whether the truth would have sounded plausible to Jack.

No, but I did once download the music from the end of an episode in season 1 and play it on a loop for three days straight. :p

(O_o)

You, Poliwanacraca, are absolutely insane. You win the Lost Sanity title, hands down.

Did you relapse into incoherent babbling about airplanes conquered by smoke and crack Marys?

Well...page 12 (15 posts a page) was a good read for someone who's not reading the spoilers. :p

Well...page 12 (15 posts a page) was a good read for someone who's not reading the spoilers. :p

No shit. :p

Genuine mild spoiler about the timeline of events in the final episode of season 3. Definitely do not look at this unless you've seen that episode, and it's a mild spoiler even if you have.

Some smart alec with too much time on their hands has actually found out what newspaper that was Jack was reading. It was the LA Times from 5 April 2007. (see here (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/la-times-newspaper.html)) According to Lostpedia's timeline (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline:December_2004), Jack contacted Penny's boat on 23 December 2004 (two days before Christmas). So almost two and a half years have passed between the moment when Jack (presumably) leaves the island and the moment when he tries to commit suicide in the "flash forward"... bringing us up almost to the present.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I was innocently browsing the internet, taking care to steer clear of anything Lost-related, and I STILL managed to be spoilered as to Charlie dying in the final?!?!?!

:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:

Somebody brainwash me, please. NOW!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I was innocently browsing the internet, taking care to steer clear of anything Lost-related, and I STILL managed to be spoilered as to Charlie dying in the final?!?!?!

:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:

Somebody brainwash me, please. NOW!

oh and brainwashing sorry can't do that no more

So...I just saw the finale last night. I read through a lot of the spoiler tags but I still have some questions as well as some comments and stuff. I watched it with my Dad and my brothers.

Is Jacob the same as the big smoky thing or someone different?

It seems like there's some sort of conspiracy thing going on. Jack said something about a golden pass or something so he can fly when he wants. He also said something like he's tired of lying. So maybe they had to lie about where they had been, and when Naomi said that the plane had been found and there were no survivors, she really thought so because there was some sort of cover-up or something? Then they got the golden pass thing as a reward for not talking about it.

I don't know who's in the coffin. At first I thought it might be Michael but now that I think about it and saw some of the things said here, I think it's more likely that it's Juliet. My mom kind of ruined that it was after they left the island because she blurted out that he was trying to call Kate. (we had her leave the room after that)

I felt sad that Charlie died. It seemed like he closed the door and stuff because he wanted Claire and Aaron to get rescued and because he didn't want Desmond to rush in and die, and my dad said the whole station probably would have flooded if he hadn't closed the door.

My dad says that he'll be really disappointed if Desmond and Penny aren't reunited by the end of the series.

So...I just saw the finale last night. I read through a lot of the spoiler tags but I still have some questions as well as some comments and stuff. I watched it with my Dad and my brothers.

Is Jacob the same as the big smoky thing or someone different?

It seems like there's some sort of conspiracy thing going on. Jack said something about a golden pass or something so he can fly when he wants. He also said something like he's tired of lying. So maybe they had to lie about where they had been, and when Naomi said that the plane had been found and there were no survivors, she really thought so because there was some sort of cover-up or something? Then they got the golden pass thing as a reward for not talking about it.

I don't know who's in the coffin. At first I thought it might be Michael but now that I think about it and saw some of the things said here, I think it's more likely that it's Juliet. My mom kind of ruined that it was after they left the island because she blurted out that he was trying to call Kate. (we had her leave the room after that)

I felt sad that Charlie died. It seemed like he closed the door and stuff because he wanted Claire and Aaron to get rescued and because he didn't want Desmond to rush in and die, and my dad said the whole station probably would have flooded if he hadn't closed the door.

My dad says that he'll be really disappointed if Desmond and Penny aren't reunited by the end of the series.


i assumed that the others arranged for the false plane sighting on the bottom of the ocean--not that it could have been found if thats where it had ended up. that way they can mess with the survivors all they (jacob) wants without getting found out.

ya jacob is the monster, the smokey thing, the apparitions and the invisible guy in the chair in the cabin.

something very bad happened in getting them off the island. what it is, we find out over the next 3 years.

and im with your dad. at this point, if desmond and penny arent reunited, im going to be very pissed.

i assumed that the others arranged for the false plane sighting on the bottom of the ocean--not that it could have been found if thats where it had ended up. that way they can mess with the survivors all they (jacob) wants without getting found out.

ya jacob is the monster, the smokey thing, the apparitions and the invisible guy in the chair in the cabin.

something very bad happened in getting them off the island. what it is, we find out over the next 3 years.

and im with your dad. at this point, if desmond and penny arent reunited, im going to be very pissed.

Ok.

I thought so, but I wasn't sure.

Ok.

Yeah, I agree with him.

EDIT:

OKAY, SPOILERS INC!!!

I just watched the finale last night, and I was sad. There were so many people I wanted dead, yet they were permitted to survive.

I swear, if they killed off Jack and Kate I would personally send a check for $100 to every writer on that show.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I was innocently browsing the internet, taking care to steer clear of anything Lost-related, and I STILL managed to be spoilered as to Charlie dying in the final?!?!?!


There have been a lot of fake spoilers about the finale. I assume you don't want me to tell you whether that's a real one? ;)


It seems like there's some sort of conspiracy thing going on. Jack said something about a golden pass or something so he can fly when he wants. He also said something like he's tired of lying.

Yes, the "tired of lying" bit was intriguing. We do know that he's not been forced to use a false identity (despite the bear! :eek:), since he's still using his real name and working at the same place.

As for the golden pass... I don't think that has anything to do with it. I assume the pass was given to them by Oceanic Airlines to compensate them for the crash. ("Sorry we almost killed you all. But now you get to fly with us for free for the rest of your lives!")

<SNIPPED>

Bottle, put your post between spoiler tags, please! WYTYG and others haven't seen the finale yet.

Having said that, I completely agree with you.

Bottle, put your post between spoiler tags, please! WYTYG and others haven't seen the finale yet.

Having said that, I completely agree with you.
Sorry, added spoiler warning. The thing is, everybody tells me that it's "obvious" the writers won't kill off certain characters because they're the main focus of the show. Unfortunately, all of the characters on the "essential" list are characters I want dead.

I can't think who else it could be other than Juliet. Who else would Jack feel that much grief for? We know it's someone Kate knew, and that she didn't particularly like, it seems. Juliet fits, sort of.

Your theory would mean that Desmond's flashback was wrong, though, and that Claire wasn't rescued.

I actually rather suspected Locke. When Jack was asked if he was family or friend to the deceased, he said, "Neither," which to my mind makes Juliet an unlikely candidate. Juliet also has extended family who have no known reason not to be at her funeral. Locke, on the other hand, fits the bill - someone with no friends or family outside the island, and whom most of the survivors grudgingly respect but do not exactly like (all the more so after he just pointed a gun at Jack).

Tom was essentially harmless at that point. Plus he'd finally started questioning Ben, after being (by far) his most devoted follower. AND he'd just saved Sayid, Jin and Bernard.

One of us has got this scene all wrong, but I don't know which of us it is. :p I was under the impression Ben had ordered them in advance to fire the gun into the sand, and Tom was protesting that decision - i.e. he very specifically wanted to kill Sayid, Jin, and Bernard, not save them.

(O_o)

You, Poliwanacraca, are absolutely insane. You win the Lost Sanity title, hands down.

Did you relapse into incoherent babbling about airplanes conquered by smoke and crack Marys?

Heh. No. I just thought it was a pretty, soothing piece of music. I was going through a rough time and having issues with insomnia, and it made pleasant background noise.

But I won't dispute that my sanity has long since been lost. :p

Sorry, added spoiler warning. The thing is, everybody tells me that it's "obvious" the writers won't kill off certain characters because they're the main focus of the show. Unfortunately, all of the characters on the "essential" list are characters I want dead.

Likewise. However...

(spoiler for those who don't want to know who's still alive by the end of season 3)
I don't think any character (except possibly Claire) is safe from being killed off. It looks as if Jack and Kate are going to be around a while longer (unfortunately), but if you think of Locke, Sawyer or even Sayid, these are characters whose story has essentially been told, and who have come to terms with their past and secrets.

We know how Locke was paralysed, and now his father is dead. We know Sawyer's past (to the point that most of his flashbacks have told us very little new about him), and now he's taken his revenge on the original Sawyer. We know Sayid's story (except the "Basra thing" mentioned by Juliet, which implies at least one more Sayid flashback), and we saw him cry and apologise about what he did in Iraq, presumably laying his demons to rest. (Plus his "I don't do torture any more".) All of this means that it's quite possible one or more of these three characters may die in season 4.

(Not that I want Sayid dead. But I wouldn't mind if they got rid of Locke or Sawyer. Sawyer is getting boring.)

Damn them for killing off Charlie, though... I really liked Charlie!

I actually rather suspected Locke. When Jack was asked if he was family or friend to the deceased, he said, "Neither," which to my mind makes Juliet an unlikely candidate. Juliet also has extended family who have no known reason not to be at her funeral. Locke, on the other hand, fits the bill - someone with no friends or family outside the island, and whom most of the survivors grudgingly respect but do not exactly like (all the more so after he just pointed a gun at Jack).


Interesting idea... But would Jack really grieve so deeply for John's death?


One of us has got this scene all wrong, but I don't know which of us it is. :p I was under the impression Ben had ordered them in advance to fire the gun into the sand, and Tom was protesting that decision - i.e. he very specifically wanted to kill Sayid, Jin, and Bernard, not save them.

Hmmm... I'll go and watch that scene again, to check.

Interesting idea... But would Jack really grieve so deeply for John's death?


I think he might, given the context of this episode. Since future-Jack clearly believes that Locke was right, and that they should never have left the island, I think it very likely that he would feel a great deal of guilt about his decision to leave. If Locke, stripped of his island-granted magical healing powers, were to die, I imagine Jack's thought process might well be something along the lines of "He was right, but I was too stubborn to listen, and now he's dead and it's all my fault."

Hmmm... I'll go and watch that scene again, to check.

Poliwanacraca, you're actually right (part 2, circa 0:19). I can't have been paying attention to who was saying what. It was indeed Ben who "spared" their lives, and Tom who wanted to kill them. No bonus points for Ben, though, since he was the one who ordered Mikhail to kill Charlie.

I think he might, given the context of this episode. Since future-Jack clearly believes that Locke was right, and that they should never have left the island, I think it very likely that he would feel a great deal of guilt about his decision to leave. If Locke, stripped of his island-granted magical healing powers, were to die, I imagine Jack's thought process might well be something along the lines of "He was right, but I was too stubborn to listen, and now he's dead and it's all my fault."

That's an excellent point. If it does turn out to be right, it'd be very interesting.

On the other hand... Would Locke leave the island in the first place? Only if he had no choice, I would think. Which will depend on what happens when Penny's people arrive...

Which we won't know until February 2008. Blah.

Poliwanacraca, you're actually right (part 2, circa 0:19). I can't have been paying attention to who was saying what. It was indeed Ben who "spared" their lives, and Tom who wanted to kill them. No bonus points for Ben, though, since he was the one who ordered Mikhail to kill Charlie.

Eh, Ben never gets bonus points. If he spared them, I'm sure it was only so he could use them in some nasty manipulative way later. That man is eeeeeeeeeevil. :p

That's an excellent point. If it does turn out to be right, it'd be very interesting.

On the other hand... Would Locke leave the island in the first place? Only if he had no choice, I would think. Which will depend on what happens when Penny's people arrive...

Which we won't know until February 2008. Blah.

Blah, indeed. I don't understand at all why, if the producers know they want to do 48 more episodes, they don't put them in two normal seasons of 24 rather than three itty-bitty seasons of 16. Stupid, stupid, stupid. *grumble*

The other character who seemed semi-possible to me was actually Ben - Kate's line, "Why would I go to the funeral?" was vehement enough to make me wonder if it could be an Other in the coffin. There we face an even larger question of why he would actually leave the island, though, of course...

The other character who seemed semi-possible to me was actually Ben - Kate's line, "Why would I go to the funeral?" was vehement enough to make me wonder if it could be an Other in the coffin. There we face an even larger question of why he would actually leave the island, though, of course...

Which is one of the reasons why I thought it could be Juliet. And she does want to leave the island.

I don't know what could lead Jack to get into such a state over Ben's death.

I don't know what could lead Jack to get into such a state over Ben's death.

Well, in this future, Ben was right, and there was some very good reason why they shouldn't have left the island. Jack may hate Ben, but given his overwhelming sense of personal responsibility, if half the survivors died because Ben was right and he was wrong, I could see Ben's death as being a very painful reminder of just how badly he screwed up.

I'm just stuck on that whole "neither friend nor family" thing, I think. The possible alternatives to "friend" and "family" are "acquaintance I didn't exactly like" and "enemy." In my mind, Locke is the best possibility for the former, and Ben for the latter.

I'm just stuck on that whole "neither friend nor family" thing, I think. The possible alternatives to "friend" and "family" are "acquaintance I didn't exactly like" and "enemy." In my mind, Locke is the best possibility for the former, and Ben for the latter.

Or Juliet, if she was a former enemy, turned more-than-just-a-friend, and then just acquaintance he loses touch with. ;)

Well...

That was a disappointment. I saw half of it coming a mile off.

Charlie dying (though I knew about it already) could be seen coming, although I was expecting it to be Desmond who killed him (inadvertently, of course).

Hurley saving the day was also predictable - he's rejected by Des and Charlie, then by Sawyer and Juliet. Naturally, he wants to do something. Though that doesn't mean that what he did wasn't uber-cool. :D

I actually expected more Losties to die - I was thinking Jin would go, along with maybe Sawyer (though we still need the French police report explained for him).

Also, I was wondering, until Jack went to the funeral parlour, if that was an alternate history...if that was what would've happened if Jack's dad hadn't died. I say until the funeral parlour scene, because it wouldn't have made sense for the writers to include the whole mystery dead person thing if it weren't someone we already knew.

And about what might happen to the island if it's found...whoever it is who's looking for it...DHARMA or whoever...would want to unlock it's secrets, as some of the Losties do. Jacob can't afford to let this happen, which is why he's told Ben to make sure they (and pretty much anyone, in fact) don't leave the island. However...the "I'm tired of lying" line leads me to think that Jack, Kate, "Kate's man", who, if it is someone from the island is almost inevitably Sawyer, and Juliet (who is now dead), have left the island, but only after promising Ben (or the Others in general) that they wouldn't talk about where they've been. The rest of the survivors couldn't agree to this and were forced to stay.

This would also explain why the Others wiped out DHARMA - whoever their leader was before Ben came along (Richard, maybe?) took orders from Jacob, and those orders were that the island's secrets could not be revealed, whatever the cost. In Ben, Jacob found someone who he could fully trust to make sure this happened.

And Tom dying? Crap! :(

*doesn't quote so as not to see any spoilers displayed*

@ I V Stalin: Buh? I thought you were going to do the big marathon starting today and ending Monday? :confused:

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@ I V Stalin: Buh? I thought you were going to do the big marathon starting today and ending Monday? :confused:
Found that I'd lent season 1 to a friend and not got it back.

Now I could've just downloaded it...but the 1.3GB of free space on my hard drive seriously restricted my options there...

I considered watching all of season 3 before watching the finale, but in the end I believe my thought process was "Fuck it, I want to watch it now". :p

Ben should be an option!

Found that I'd lent season 1 to a friend and not got it back.

Now I could've just downloaded it...but the 1.3GB of free space on my hard drive seriously restricted my options there...

I considered watching all of season 3 before watching the finale, but in the end I believe my thought process was "Fuck it, I want to watch it now". :p
Hehe. So had you already seen all of season 3 and were just gonna do the marathon for the hell of it? Or did you skip ahead to the finale? (Heresy!)

After I got spoilered so evilly (oh, and Ariddia, how could it possibly have been a fake spoiler if it was AFTER the fact and dealt with what the actor was gonna do now that his character is dead? Don't answer that! << >>) I sent an immediate email to my friend in Sweden who sends me the DVDs. I looked at the page you linked earlier but I've never dealt with bittorrent in my life and seriously doubt I'd be able to do it, computer loser that I am. Also, I don't have a DVD burner and would want to watch it with my Lost friends. Anyway, here's me waiting for mail from Sweden asap. *crosses fingers*

Ben should be an option!

Ben is an option. Option 3. I included all 22 main characters. Go back and look at the poll.


along with maybe Sawyer (though we still need the French police report explained for him).

As I said earlier, if you've got that anywhere, I can look at it and translate it.

Hehe. So had you already seen all of season 3 and were just gonna do the marathon for the hell of it? Or did you skip ahead to the finale? (Heresy!)
Nah. Watched all of season 3. Downloaded each episode on Thursday after it had been shown on ABC (although after I got a job, it had to be Thursday night/Friday morning). The marathon really was just for the hell of it. A friend of mine (who got me into Lost in the first place after he bought season 1 on dvd) is coming down in a couple of weeks and we have a Lost-athon planned.

As I said earlier, if you've got that anywhere, I can look at it and translate it.
It's in episode 19, "The Brig". I can't find a screen cap, so you'll have to watch it again and be quick on the pause button. It's the scene where Richard Alpert give Sawyer's file to Locke when they're on the hill above the Others' village.

It's in episode 19, "The Brig". I can't find a screen cap, so you'll have to watch it again and be quick on the pause button. It's the scene where Richard Alpert give Sawyer's file to Locke when they're on the hill above the Others' village.

I've found it, and it's a gendarmerie file, but there's not enough of it clearly visible onscreen to know what it's all about.

This does suggest that there will be at least one more Sawyer episode, though...

Presumably this is not the page indicating that Sawyer murdered that man in Sydney.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/928/vlcsnap311132cp1.png

I've found it, and it's a gendarmerie file, but there's not enough of it clearly visible onscreen to know what it's all about.

This does suggest that there will be at least one more Sawyer episode, though...

Presumably this is not the page indicating that Sawyer murdered that man in Sydney.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/928/vlcsnap311132cp1.png
Shame, though I imagine the writers didn't just put it in there for no reason. That's why I like Lost. Just the little teasers here and there that niggle away at the back of the mind saying 'Why have they put that in?'. Who remembers Adam & Eve? Has anyone else noticed anything particular about Sawyer's feet? How did Kelvin go from the US military to the DHARMA Initiative?

And I don't think it is the file regarding Sawyer's killing of the guy in Sydney. Why would it be in French?

Shame, though I imagine the writers didn't just put it in there for no reason. That's why I like Lost. Just the little teasers here and there that niggle away at the back of the mind saying 'Why have they put that in?'. Who remembers Adam & Eve? Has anyone else noticed anything particular about Sawyer's feet? How did Kelvin go from the US military to the DHARMA Initiative?


and then theres the stuff they put in just to put in. like the dharma symbol on the shark.

there is something peculiar about saywers feet?

i do want to know how kelvin got to the hatch. its weird how he died just before sayid got to the island. not that weird is unusual.

i do want to know how kelvin got to the hatch. its weird how he died just before sayid got to the island. not that weird is unusual.

If you consider that's peculiar timing, consider that they finished burying Libby just as Sun spotted Desmond's boat. If he'd arrived half an hour or so earlier, he'd have seen her body and recognised her. As it is, he has no idea she was ever on the island.

If you consider that's peculiar timing, consider that they finished burying Libby just as Sun spotted Desmond's boat. If he'd arrived half an hour or so earlier, he'd have seen her body and recognised her. As it is, he has no idea she was ever on the island.

so were michael and libby being manipulated by jacob to get her killed before desmond showed up?

there are way too many connections between people on the island and its way too hard to keep them ignorant of them.

and then theres the stuff they put in just to put in. like the dharma symbol on the shark.

there is something peculiar about saywers feet?

i do want to know how kelvin got to the hatch. its weird how he died just before sayid got to the island. not that weird is unusual.
Re. Saywer's feet - there have been a couple of instances at least where for no apparent reason he is conspicuously seen treading on something or hurtsing one of his feet in some way.

If you consider that's peculiar timing, consider that they finished burying Libby just as Sun spotted Desmond's boat. If he'd arrived half an hour or so earlier, he'd have seen her body and recognised her. As it is, he has no idea she was ever on the island.
I can imagine him finding out about her anyway - now Charlie's gone, Hurley's lost one of his closest friends on the island so he might spend more time with Desmond. Inevitably, he'd probably end up telling him about Libby.

Lalalalala, you're not spoiler tagging the spoilers anymore!

*puts thread on ignore*

I can imagine him finding out about her anyway - now Charlie's gone, Hurley 's lost one of his closest friends on the island so he might spend more time with Desmond. Inevitably, he'd probably end up telling him about Libby.

Use spoiler tags!

And yes, I've been saying for months that we'll be seeing Libby again in a Desmond flashback (or at the very least learning more about her via Desmond).

If anyone's interested in Season 4 spoilers, there are a few here (http://lost-spoilers-blog.blogspot.com/search/label/Lost-Season-4-Spoilers). I only took a quick glance, but I saw that

(season 4 spoilers)
we will finding out more about Michael, Walt and Libby (at last!) in Season 4.

I'm impatient for it already! :D

Lalalalala, you're not spoiler tagging the spoilers anymore!

*puts thread on ignore*
Crap, sorry. :(

Where are you up to now? Hurry up and finish season 3 already! If it comes out on dvd over here before you finish it, I might just buy it for you and send it over to you! :p

Use spoiler tags!

And yes, I've been saying for months that we'll be seeing Libby again in a Desmond flashback (or at the very least learning more about her via Desmond).
To be honest, it's the only logical way. Hurley doesn't know that much about her - certainly he doesn't know she owned a ship - so it's only through Desmond (or another character whose connection to Libby hasn't been established yet) that we could learn about her.

Regarding the coffin in the finale - here's a close-up of the story that Jack tears out of the newspaper:

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/d/d4/Newspaperclipping2.jpg

Oh, and the $1,000,000 question:

Can we keep this thread alive until Season 4 starts? :p

Regarding the coffin in the finale - here's a close-up of the story that Jack tears out of the newspaper:

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/d/d4/Newspaperclipping2.jpg

Well, that seems to blow my Juliet theory...


Oh, and the $1,000,000 question:

Can we keep this thread alive until Season 4 starts? :p

That's in nine months, so... why not? :p

By the way, I took a quick glance at Lostpedia yesterday. They have people who pick out the tiniest details from episodes. For example, in "The Man From Tallahassee", Locke is watching Exposé on television (you can't see the screen, but you hear a woman's voice mentioning "the Cobra"). And in "Flashes Before Your Eyes", when Desmond watches a football match on TV, there's an advert for Exposé on the side of the field. :p

I'm wondering whether they'll introduced new major characters in season 4, and drop some of the old ones. There are characters whose recent flashbacks have told us little or nothing new about them.

In season 3, for example,
Sawyer, Jack, Sayid and Kate have all had flashbacks which mostly suggested there's not much more than can be squeezed out of them. Surely it's time to get rid of one or two of these?

I watched the last 5 episodes last night! Wheeee! It was fantastic, I thought.

And I finally could read this thread! :P
I hope this isn't gravedigging, but since it's continuing the discussion and since I can't well start another thread on it, I think it's not.

My favourite most shocking moment was when it turns out that Locke's father is Sawyer's "Sawyer". :eek: I really could have seen that coming but I totally didn't.

And the most mindblowing moment of course was the future thing in the final. Still trying to wrap my head around that one.

And apparently the last five minutes of the season 3 finale will "seal [the show's] fate", according to Damon Lindelof.
My friend had put a thing called "The Answers" on the DVD, basically a long interview with Lindelof and, uh, some other producer guy, I forget.
They said at one point that the series was like a big mosaic, and they were filling in the stones for past, present and future one by one. Something like that, except that it was much clearer in that it seemed to definitely confirm that the whole "future" thing was going to take up a big chunk of the series from now on.
Up to that point I had still thought it could all have been just an "alternative future" kind of thing that would turn out to have been a dreamy hoax come next season.

As for discussion of the series as a whole... So, I was just talking to a friend last night about the prevalence of daddy-issues on this island. I can't help wondering if this might be even more of a unifying theme than the widely-discussed "they're all murderers" theory. Jack, Kate, Locke, Sawyer, Jin, Sun, Claire, Hurley, Benry, Alex - messed-up paternal relationship after messed-up paternal relationship.
That is an excellent idea! I can't believe neither the friends with whom I watch Lost nor I never even noticed that! And yeah, with what you said about Jacob & Benjamin (I apparently didn't click that post to be quoted, bah) that seems even more of a theme. And certainly more consistent than the mere "they did something bad in their past" theory.

Unfortunately, I predicted approximately what was going on with the "flashback" (flashfront?) series, which kind of spoiled the shock of the ending, although I'm still rather baffled as to whether Jack's father is actually alive in this potential future or if Jack has just become delusional on top of his other problems. Eep! It didn't even register with me that Jack was talking about his dad who is long dead by that time! Thanks for pointing that out.
And of course I have no idea what that could possibly mean. :rolleyes:

Well, he does appear to be immortal. That's pretty neat.(Re. Mikhail)
Yeah, what's up with that?! That seems... silly. I was already more than doubtful about "the pylons not having been put to a lethal level" - after all, we saw him foaming at the mouth and blood coming out of his ears and he looked pretty damn dead to me...
But now, after lying completely motionless and unspluttering with a harpoon in his chest, suddenly swimming off (!) all merrily with a hand grenade, that's just way beyond all doubt of "meh, he's just very hardy".

So could that possibly be some kind of effect of the island? Like Richard not aging? (Btw, thanks to whomever caught Ben saying "Birthdays, remember them?" to him, I had missed that).
But why only Mikhail, then?

And as for that non-aging (maybe non-dying, too?) thing: Why doesn't Ben have it? The most likely explanation seems that Richard is different from Ben in that he might have been born on the island, and maybe only then the island-influence is strong enough to make you not age. Or something. We can't even confirm if anyone else also has the non-aging thing, because we don't know who of Ben's group is one of Richard's original "hostiles" and who was brought to the island by Ben later (like Juliet).

And somebody in that Lostpedia link Stalin posted somewhere pointed out that Jakob seems to be wearing 18th or 19th century clothing - so is he immortal, too?

Now I'm really wondering how they're going to start the next season. With everyone back home?
I don't think so.
Like I said, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that the show is apparently not gonna be "They're on the island for 47 of the final 48 episodes, then they get rescued."
I honestly can't picture how they'll do it. Mostly because I think they have to be incredibly, incredibly careful to not lose their audience.
From what I've read, many people (less addicted than the posters in this thread) jumped ship during the second and early third season because it became too hard to follow.
Now, seeing how Lost *is* about folks trapped on a mysterious island, I really think they're risking more than a lot by removing the island from the equation...

Either way, I still think there will be several more episodes on the island at least.

To be honest, had it not been for the "flash forward", I'd still think they won't get rescued any time soon at all because of all the commotion about how it's not really Penny's ship etc. The only problem to solve then would be how that would fit in with Desmond's predicition.

They bungled Charlie's death somewhat though, imho. If he had time to close the door and lock it, why didn't he have time to get out of the room and save his own life?
my sister and i talked about that. if charlie had closed the door from the outside, desmond would have knocked him out of the way to get to penny. he had to do it from inside.

it was the "why didnt he try swimming out the broken window" that bothered me but i figured that since desmond had told him he was going to die, it set him up to not act to save himself
Somebody totally already answered that but I forgot to quote the post. I agree with that poster that it was because Charlie wanted to follow Desmond's prediction so Claire would get rescued. It took me a good 10 minutes of being really mad at the pointless and silly way of his death that was full of holes to realize that it's really because he wants the prediction to come true and thinks that's the only way to guarantee that.

By the way... Has Locke gone even more psycho or something? He could just have pointed his gun at Naomi and ordered her to drop the phone. He didn't have to murder her.

He could also have told Jack why using the phone was a bad idea, if he really wanted to persuade him.[/spoiler]Oh please! As if ANYONE on that show ever explains ANYTHING to ANYONE! Gah.
I hate it when people spend like two minutes of a showdown saying "Do it now!" instead of taking that time just to simply quickly explain *why* it's important that the other person do so. *pet peeve*


One of us has got this scene all wrong, but I don't know which of us it is. :p I was under the impression Ben had ordered them in advance to fire the gun into the sand, and Tom was protesting that decision - i.e. he very specifically wanted to kill Sayid, Jin, and Bernard, not save them.
Poliwanacraca, you're actually right (part 2, circa 0:19). I can't have been paying attention to who was saying what. It was indeed Ben who "spared" their lives, and Tom who wanted to kill them. No bonus points for Ben, though, since he was the one who ordered Mikhail to kill Charlie.Bonus points to Poli, though, again, for catching that! I totally had thought it was the other way round. But then we often have to rewind stuff several times to catch what they say, English not being our native language. Sawyer is especially much of a mumbler. Hrmph.

On the other hand... Would Locke leave the island in the first place?
That reminds me of my biggest pet peeve / "plot hole" to date: they've hammered it home a lot lately that Locke doesn't want to leave the island because here he finally has a much better life than on the outside. In the "Answers" segment I mentioned above, the creators even say that straight out, as in "he never wants to leave the island again".
Alright.
But why, oh why, does he go around destryoing all hopes of rescue for everyone else, too? So far (unless I've missed something) they've explained all the things Locke does, like blowing up the subway, with him not wanting to leave the island. Well, Locke, here's a newsflash: you don't have to go. Sheesh. Just stay there, it's not like anybody can force you to leave. Doesn't mean you have to go ruining it for everybody else.

So, do you guys think this is indeed a plothole in the sense that the writers are asking an awful lot from us when they expect us to swallow that the sole reason for Locke destryoing all ways off the islandfor everybody is that he's scared to go home himself? Or do you think there's a deeper reason, in that Locke knows something more about the island and really does, as he's so fond of saying, everything just for the good of all?

Who remembers Adam & Eve? Has anyone else noticed anything particular about Sawyer's feet? Erm, not me. Adam & Eve? :confused:

If you consider that's peculiar timing, consider that they finished burying Libby just as Sun spotted Desmond's boat. If he'd arrived half an hour or so earlier, he'd have seen her body and recognised her. As it is, he has no idea she was ever on the island.To be honest, it's the only logical way. Hurley doesn't know that much about her - certainly he doesn't know she owned a ship - so it's only through Desmond (or another character whose connection to Libby hasn't been established yet) that we could learn about her.Whoa,what? I think you'll have to remind my of the relationship b/w Libby and Desmond. I apparently totally have forgotten that there ever was one...?

Crap, sorry. :(

Where are you up to now? Hurry up and finish season 3 already! If it comes out on dvd over here before you finish it, I might just buy it for you and send it over to you! :pDamn, I didn't see this until now. :p I totally should have made you send it. My friend burned the second to last episode weirdly so our player only played the sound... So we went to my friend's (the one I was watching it with, not the one in Sweden who burned the DVD for me) office at like 1am last night to try to get it to work, only to end up watching it on alluc.org. I eventually got home at 4:45am... But it was so worth it.

Regarding the coffin in the finale - here's a close-up of the story that Jack tears out of the newspaper:

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/d/d4/Newspaperclipping2.jpg
Awesome. So it's a guy, eh? And here I was all taken by Poli's Juliet theory. And I have no idea who it could be. The name visible in the paper will probably be an assumed one anyway.

Oh, and the $1,000,000 question:

Can we keep this thread alive until Season 4 starts? :pI'm doing my best. :P

Finally, I'm of course also totally confused by the different groups that seem to fighting about access to the island. Penny is pretty clear (even though we don't know if she's even near the island) but what's with the apparently sinister group Naomi was with? Why would she have the pic of Desmond and Penny? Are all the involved groups all-knowing in terms of having files and shit on all the people on the island? Was Naomi with the Dharma initiative that's waiting to take their island back from Ben?
But that's silly, Dharma wouldn't need anyone to contact them from the island to be able to find the island - they're dropping food on it already!

Which of course brings up the next question: why would they drop food on it if their people are long killed by the now-ruler of the island? Right now, the only thing I can think of is that they maybe see the whole thing as an ongoing societal experiment anyway, with warring factions and whatnot.

Bah. Soooooooooooooo many questions...

Erm, not me. Adam & Eve? :confused:

The pair of dead bodies found by the caves (I think) fairly early in season one. They were holding black and white stones for some reason, as I recall.

Whoa,what? I think you'll have to remind my of the relationship b/w Libby and Desmond. I apparently totally have forgotten that there ever was one...?

Libby gave Desmond his boat. The boat is, in fact, named after her ("The Elizabeth").

Awesome. So it's a guy, eh? And here I was all taken by Poli's Juliet theory. And I have no idea who it could be. The name visible in the paper will probably be an assumed one anyway.

Heh, that was Arridia's theory, not mine. I'm still thinking it's Locke, or possibly Ben.

And somebody in that Lostpedia link Stalin posted somewhere pointed out that Jakob seems to be wearing 18th or 19th century clothing - so is he immortal, too?
Jacob probably is immortal. There's a theory on Lostpedia that Jacob is Magnus Hanso (owner of the Black Rock) and he came to the island on the boat. I did wonder if Mikhail was possibly a crew member of the Black Rock, but his ability with modern electronics makes that slightly unlikely.

I don't think so.
Like I said, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that the show is apparently not gonna be "They're on the island for 47 of the final 48 episodes, then they get rescued."
I honestly can't picture how they'll do it. Mostly because I think they have to be incredibly, incredibly careful to not lose their audience.
I never (except right at the very start) expected them to be rescued in the last episode of the last series. It'd be too neat. Considering all the weird shit that went on in the first few episodes of the first series, it didn't really look like the writers and producers were going to make anything 'neat' about the show.

Erm, not me. Adam & Eve? :confused:
The two dead bodies in the caves in the first series:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Adam_And_Eve
Apparently they're important in relation to the passage of time on-island.

Whoa,what? I think you'll have to remind my of the relationship b/w Libby and Desmond. I apparently totally have forgotten that there ever was one...?
Desmond's boat was given to him by Libby. They met in a cafe when Desmond first arrived in America and didn't have any dollars with which to buy a coffee.

Damn, I didn't see this until now. :p I totally should have made you send it. My friend burned the second to last episode weirdly so our player only played the sound... So we went to my friend's (the one I was watching it with, not the one in Sweden who burned the DVD for me) office at like 1am last night to try to get it to work, only to end up watching it on alluc.org. I eventually got home at 4:45am... But it was so worth it.
Heh. You'd have had to wait until December, then, as that's when it's getting released.

Awesome. So it's a guy, eh? And here I was all taken by Poli's Juliet theory. And I have no idea who it could be. The name visible in the paper will probably be an assumed one anyway.
That's what I thought. Apparently there's a philosopher called Jeremy Bentham: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Coffin/Theories#J._Bentham

I V! You didn't spoiler tag the first paragraph of your post!!! And actually the Libby stuff, too, I think that's all season 3, too.

The pair of dead bodies found by the caves (I think) fairly early in season one. They were holding black and white stones for some reason, as I recall.
The two dead bodies in the caves in the first series:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Adam_And_Eve
Apparently they're important in relation to the passage of time on-island.
Wow. I think I have selective amnesia. I cannot remember one thing about that. :confused:
Do you guys all frequent the Lost fan sites? Or have you rewatched the old episodes? Or do actually remember all that?


Libby gave Desmond his boat. The boat is, in fact, named after her ("The Elizabeth").
(now spoiler tagged) Desmond's boat was given to him by Libby. They met in a cafe when Desmond first arrived in America and didn't have any dollars with which to buy a coffee.That rings a faint bell. Very faint.

I think I'm depressed now. :(

(spoiler tagged now...)Jacob probably is immortal. There's a theory on Lostpedia that Jacob is Magnus Hanso (owner of the Black Rock) and he came to the island on the boat. I did wonder if Mikhail was possibly a crew member of the Black Rock, but his ability with modern electronics makes that slightly unlikely.
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Okay, now I'm REALLY depressed.

"Magnus Hanso, owner of the Black Rock"?! How the hell do you know that?? Like, did the whole world know that some forefather of the Dharma corporation's founder crashed his ship on the island but me???????


That's what I thought. Apparently there's a philosopher called Jeremy Bentham: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Coffin/Theories#J._Bentham
Huh, I totally read that as Lantham. Further down on the page you linked they're talking about that, actually.

Wow. I think I have selective amnesia. I cannot remember one thing about that. :confused:
Do you guys all frequent the Lost fan sites? Or have you rewatched the old episodes? Or do actually remember all that?

I haven't visited the fan sites; I just have sort of a ridiculous memory for pointless factoids.


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Okay, now I'm REALLY depressed.

"Magnus Hanso, owner of the Black Rock"?! How the hell do you know that?? Like, did the whole world know that some forefather of the Dharma corporation's founder crashed his ship on the island but me???????

If it makes you feel better, I'd never heard of this, either. :p

If it makes you feel better, I'd never heard of this, either. :p
It does, actually.

*grumbles some more anyway* :p

I V! You didn't spoiler tag the first paragraph of your post!!! And actually the Libby stuff, too, I think that's all season 3, too.
The first paragraph is a spoiler from the Lost Experience, which, if you don't know about it by now, the only way you'll find out is through spoilers. The Libby stuff was actually from the last episode of season 2.

Wow. I think I have selective amnesia. I cannot remember one thing about that. :confused:
Do you guys all frequent the Lost fan sites? Or have you rewatched the old episodes? Or do actually remember all that?
Little from column A, little from column B, little from column C. :)

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Okay, now I'm REALLY depressed.

"Magnus Hanso, owner of the Black Rock"?! How the hell do you know that?? Like, did the whole world know that some forefather of the Dharma corporation's founder crashed his ship on the island but me???????
Again, Lost Experience.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Magnus_Hanso
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Black_Rock_%28ship%29

You people and your spoilers.

Crazy fucks.



So, who has all of the lastest season and is willing to mail me some burnt dvds?

So, who has all of the lastest season and is willing to mail me some burnt dvds?
WYTYG.

WYTYG.

*taps foot*

So, where is she?

spoiler:That reminds me of my biggest pet peeve / "plot hole" to date: they've hammered it home a lot lately that Locke doesn't want to leave the island because here he finally has a much better life than on the outside. In the "Answers" segment I mentioned above, the creators even say that straight out, as in "he never wants to leave the island again".
Alright.
But why, oh why, does he go around destryoing all hopes of rescue for everyone else, too? So far (unless I've missed something) they've explained all the things Locke does, like blowing up the subway, with him not wanting to leave the island. Well, Locke, here's a newsflash: you don't have to go. Sheesh. Just stay there, it's not like anybody can force you to leave. Doesn't mean you have to go ruining it for everybody else.

So, do you guys think this is indeed a plothole in the sense that the writers are asking an awful lot from us when they expect us to swallow that the sole reason for Locke destryoing all ways off the islandfor everybody is that he's scared to go home himself? Or do you think there's a deeper reason, in that Locke knows something more about the island and really does, as he's so fond of saying, everything just for the good of all?



Regarding Locke's actions at the very end of Season 3... Obviously he's gone nuts. (Knifing people in the back is not exactly a sane thing to do.) But presumably he's become convinced that anyone leaving the island, and/or Naomi's people locating it and coming, is a bad thing. I assume Jacob persuaded him when they (presumably) met for a second time.

*taps foot*

So, where is she?
She went thattaway ----->

The first paragraph is a spoiler from the Lost Experience, which, if you don't know about it by now, the only way you'll find out is through spoilers. The Libby stuff was actually from the last episode of season 2.


Little from column A, little from column B, little from column C. :)


Again, Lost Experience.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Magnus_Hanso
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Black_Rock_%28ship%29Oh. Okay. I don't even know what "Lost Experience" is. Am at work now, so have to check it out tonight.

You people and your spoilers.

Crazy fucks.



So, who has all of the lastest season and is willing to mail me some burnt dvds?
WYTYG.
Nope. I have lost (ha!) most of the first half somewhere in the mess that is my apartment and the second half is borrowed to a friend. Sorry. But Ruffy, just go watch them on alluc.org. It's legal, it seems, because you can only watch it, not download. (Only heard about that site 2 days ago, so don't know much about it).

*taps foot*

So, where is she?At work, sneaking online time I don't have...


Regarding Locke's actions at the very end of Season 3... Obviously he's gone nuts. (Knifing people in the back is not exactly a sane thing to do.) But presumably he's become convinced that anyone leaving the island, and/or Naomi's people locating it and coming, is a bad thing. I assume Jacob persuaded him when they (presumably) met for a second time.I don't know. I totally don't buy that Locke's gone crazy. *stubborn*

Oh, and I obviously meant to write submarine in my post above, not subway. :p

She went thattaway ----->*nods*

I've found a mystery for nitpickers. :p Namely, a survivor who shouldn't be there. This guy:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3299/extrasurvivorpd0.jpg

That's from the beginning of season 2, as you no doubt remember. At this stage, there should be only five people left from the tail section of the plane: Ana-Lucia, Eko, Libby, Bernard and Cindy. You can see Eko clearly, Cindy behind him, Libby to her left, and that's presumably Ana-Lucia behind her. But who the heck is the guy in the yellow shirt? It's not Bernard.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4057/extrasurvivorbil4.jpg

I suppose he may be a survivor who's taken by the Others shortly after this scene, and that everyone subsequently forgets, implausible as that may be. But that doesn't fit. There were initially 22 tail section survivors. We know that 12 were taken by the Others in two goes (3, then 9), that 4 died, and that Nathan was murdered by Goodwin. That should leave 5, not six.

The man in the yellow shirt should not exist. :p Unless Libby miscounted when she said there had been 23 survivors (22 real ones + Goodwin). Or (far more plausibly) she knew by that point that Goodwin had been an imposter, and therefore correctly said 23, including our yellow shirt mystery man.

Yes, I like wondering about things that nobody cares about. ;)

It's Christian Shepherd.

*nods* :p

The ghost doctor with the brutish weapon? :p

"He's dead. He's not happy about it. He's back for REVENGE!"

So, do you think there will be new characters in Season 4? With four main characters dying in season 3, we're down to just 12 main characters now, which is fewer than at the start of season 1.

If there are new main characters, where will they come from? From among the Others? Could Danielle become a main character? What about Naomi's people? Will (as some people have suggested) the crash survivors and the Others group together against a new outside threat?

And, since there's never been a season without a main character dying... who's going to get it in season 4? I'm thinking possibly one of the really "major" characters whose background stories are beginning to wear a bit thin. But then, we know Jack and Kate both leave the island... Perhaps Sawyer, Locke or Sayid? It could also be Jin. There's only been one exclusively Jin-centric episode so far, back in season 1, and only two real Jin flashbacks altogether (one shared with Sun). Much as I'd like to see more of Jin, his background story may also wear thin soon. Although I'm guessing he's got at least one more secret we'll find out about... Of course, going on the fact that main characters who haven't been here since the beginning get killed off the most (Ana-Lucia, Libby, Eko, Nikki, Paulo), it's perhaps Juliet, Ben and Desmond who should be most worried... Who would you least expect to see die in season 4? I'd have to say Claire. I can't imagine her dying at any point in the series.

An official video containing a mild season 4 spoiler has been released; you can see it here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI).

Official (mild) spoilers for Season 4:

* Michael will return as a main character.
* We'll find out more about Libby.
* Danielle will have a flashback episode.

Dr. Phill.

"Lost loses eight episodes" in Season 4:
http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/11/09/wga-strike-abc-will-air-eight-episodes-of-lost/
http://www.yourtv.com.au/news/?i=126633

"Lost loses eight episodes" in Season 4:
http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/11/09/wga-strike-abc-will-air-eight-episodes-of-lost/
http://www.yourtv.com.au/news/?i=126633

I read that to mean that all they might have for next season are 8 episodes.