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Palestinian television for children (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEGsnWZKh8)

Mickey Mouse seems to be speaking a little differently from normal. Hmmm. Well, it has a colourful background so it must be educational?

I'm vaguely suspicious as to the validity of the source, but if it is true then it's fucked up. Mind you, remember The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Mickey's always been into rebellion/uprising.

I'm vaguely suspicious as to the validity of the source, but if it is true then it's fucked up. Mind you, remember The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Mickey's always been into rebellion/uprising.

Of course the "source" (Palestinian Media Watch) has an interest in showing the most outrageous bits. That doesn't make them any less outrageous. Quite aside from my opinions on the Palestinian issue, the way these young children are indoctrinated is quite horrible. Not to mention rather crude.

Cornerstone? Nucleus? Used in a normal conversation? They are translating these up instead of straight. Otherwise, no wonder they will win, their children know bigger words. They will confuse our soldiers in conversation and then overtake them.

Hey! Don't be racist against muslims! Fricken racists.

I'd say, mostly harmless, useless nationalism, if it weren't for the propagandistical use of children. Reminds me of the fascist propaganda during Mussolini's regime.
Fuckin' idiots. I never liked Mickey Mouse.

Cornerstone? Nucleus? Used in a normal conversation? They are translating these up instead of straight. Otherwise, no wonder they will win, their children know bigger words. They will confuse our soldiers in conversation and then overtake them.

Translation from Arabic to English is never easy, and some words that may exist as simple words in one language may be best translated by a hard one in the other. OR these children are reading a prepared statement, hmm? :)

Listen to the key words, anyway. The translation appears to me pretty accurate.

Hey! Don't be racist against muslims! Fricken racists.

Showing selections of their own television programmes is racist?

I'd say, mostly harmless, useless nationalism, if it weren't for the propagandistical use of children. Reminds me of the fascist propaganda during Mussolini's regime.
Fuckin' idiots. I never liked Mickey Mouse.

I think that feeding children this poison is not exactly conductive to the peace process. But hey.

THe nice think about them adopting Mickey as a hero is that you can lay some of This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Y3rK0Aywc) on their kids.

That'll teach em. :D

Who could doubt that Israel has a peace partner in Hamas?

On the one hand it's fantastically funny, on the other it's deeply disturbing.

It's why, no matter any atrocities, I simply have to side with Israel in this mind-numbingly depressing conflict.

It's why, no matter any atrocities, I simply have to side with Israel in this mind-numbingly depressing conflict.

Agreed. How anybody can side with the muslims after seeing that is beyond me.

Agreed. How anybody can side with the muslims after seeing that is beyond me.

It's hard to pick a side when both sides are jingoists who believe they each have the divine right.

It's hard to pick a side when both sides are jingoists who believe they each have the divine right.

It's a lot easier when you remind yourself that one side doesn't incorporate divine right into it's GOVERNMENT.

It's a lot easier when you remind yourself that one side doesn't incorporate divine right into it's GOVERNMENT.
I assume one of the sides isn't the US then.

In turn..
How can anybody side with the Christians (since you can't distinguish between a religion and a group) after listening to Anne Coulter, or Bill O'Reilly, or Sean Hannity, etc is beyond me

I assume one of the sides isn't the US then.

In turn..
How can anybody side with the Christians (since you can't distinguish between a religion and a group) after listening to Anne Coulter, or Bill O'Reilly, or Sean Hannity, etc is beyond me

Because while they are all indeed Christians, none of them are ministers, preachers, preists, etc. A better example would have been that Fred Phelps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps) motherfucker.

Because while they are all indeed Christians, none of them are ministers, preachers, preists, etc. A better example would have been that Fred Phelps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps) motherfucker.
I said etcetera.

I said etcetera.

That would imply more of the same (opinionated assholes who call themselves Christians, but are not ministers).

How can anybody side with the Christians (since you can't distinguish between a religion and a group) after listening to Anne Coulter, or Bill O'Reilly, or Sean Hannity, etc is beyond me

Easy. Nobody elected those guys. Hamas are in government. When the US people elect them, I'll reconsider.

The part where 'Mickey' dances to children singing over the phone is priceless. Awesomely funny.

That's a little disturbing.

Easy. Nobody elected those guys. Hamas are in government. When the US people elect them, I'll reconsider.
Some one elected a Mickey Mouse rip off? And a 13 year old girl?

That's a little disturbing.

Just a little?

That is one ugly mouse.

Anyway, those are poor fuckers who think hate can overthrown power.

Just a little?

Ok, Silence of the Lambs was less disturbing. How's that?

Some one elected a Mickey Mouse rip off? And a 13 year old girl?

Isn't the clip from a Hamas-run tv channel?

Isn't the clip from a Hamas-run tv channel?
So Hamas has to make their own propaganda? The conservatives in America get it done for free.

On the one hand it's fantastically funny, on the other it's deeply disturbing.

It's why, no matter any atrocities, I simply have to side with Israel in this mind-numbingly depressing conflict.

"no matter any atrocities"?! So Israel has carte blanche when it comes to atrocities then? They may terrorise, torture and kill - go completely genocidal - and you'll support them because the palestinians indoctrinate their kids? Hmm... Says a lot about you, really...

Isn't the clip from a Hamas-run tv channel?

Yup it is.

So Hamas has to make their own propaganda? The conservatives in America get it done for free.

At least we aren't teaching our kids in school, "Kill all the Muslims because God told you to..."

At least we aren't teaching our kids in school, "Kill all the Muslims because God told you to..."
Yeah, that's the parents' job.

That was about one of the most disturbing things I'd ever seen. I don't understand how a group of people can become so self involved, and so malignant, in the name of something that is supposed to be both generous and benign. It only stands as another statement to how petty and stupid humanity is.

At least we aren't teaching our kids in school, "Kill all the Muslims because God told you to..."

No...we save that for the parents and TV.


edit: Darn you, TPH. Darn you to heck!.

No...we save that for the parents and TV.


edit: Darn you, TPH. Darn you to heck!.
Well we can't have religion in schools.

I beginning to wonder if Hamas and the Joker have ties. "Now what you do-- HEE HEE HEE! -- is first you dress up like-- HEE HEE HEE! -- Mickey Mouse, and you tell the kids to-- HEE HEE HEE! --kill the Jews because God-- 'scuse me, Allah wants them to! AND THEN-- HAHAHAHA!!-- YOU GET A THIRTEEN-YEAR-OLD TO...

Yeah, that's the parents' job.

Whatever you Liberals say, Barney isn't saying "ALRIIIIGHT Sean, Baby Bopp is going to teach you how to hold an M16, and then we can purge the world of Pagans! Ooohoohoo this is gonna be GREAT!"

Well we can't have religion in schools.

This isn't your traditional prayer.

I beginning to wonder if Hamas and the Joker have ties. "Now what you do-- HEE HEE HEE! -- is first you dress up like-- HEE HEE HEE! -- Mickey Mouse, and you tell the kids to-- HEE HEE HEE! --kill the Jews because God-- 'scuse me, Allah wants them to! AND THEN-- HAHAHAHA!!-- YOU GET A THIRTEEN-YEAR-OLD TO...

I think these people are too humourless and fundamentalist to see the postmodern irony of using Mickey Mouse for islamic supremacist propaganda.

THe nice think about them adopting Mickey as a hero is that you can lay some of This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Y3rK0Aywc) on their kids.

That'll teach em. :D

That the powerful muslim dog is thrown out of his house due to a jewish cat which invaded it, then Hamas (wearing islam-green and equipped with an item of power) leads him to fight? :D

That the powerful muslim dog is thrown out of his house due to a jewish cat which invaded it, then Hamas (wearing islam-green and equipped with an item of power) leads him to fight? :D

NO WAY they'd idenify with the dog.

I'm not worried unless they start using Wile E. Coyote videos to teach suicide bombers.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/CoyoteBoom.jpg

NO WAY they'd idenify with the dog.

The guy who had the idea to use Mickey to teach hate is a son of a bitch, though.

So.. I take it the Hamas government has no problem whatsoever with trademark violations ?

The guy who had the idea to use Mickey to teach hate is a son of a bitch, though.

:eek:

I'd say, mostly harmless, useless nationalism, if it weren't for the propagandistical use of children. Reminds me of the fascist propaganda during Mussolini's regime.
Fuckin' idiots. I never liked Mickey Mouse. Or the Vichy Bombing Cartoon. I think it's on Youtube as well. Could someone find it?

The guy who had the idea to use Mickey to teach hate is a son of a bitch, though.
Well you have to use something when your religion forbids making images of your holy figures.

Easy. Nobody elected those guys. Hamas are in government. When the US people elect them, I'll reconsider.

Bush Jr. claims that God talks to him, so I'd say that THAT is even worse.

Who knows? Maybe one day they will see the episode of MIckey Mouse doing somethign against their religion and then their whole worldview will be shattered.

Bush Jr. claims that God talks to him, so I'd say that THAT is even worse.

You're saying Hamas doesn't do that?

"no matter any atrocities"?! So Israel has carte blanche when it comes to atrocities then? They may terrorise, torture and kill - go completely genocidal - and you'll support them because the palestinians indoctrinate their kids? Hmm... Says a lot about you, really...

I think this says more about you actually.

You're reading too much into my writing but, to clarify, I meant atrocities on both sides - if you take out that factor, you're left with 1 side that is specifically indoctrinating its children to hate the other side. I understand that point wasn't clear but, before you go zooming off into hyperbole, you might want to give the benefit of the doubt in future.

Also, and a pedant's point I know, but you might also want to capitalize Palestinians

Whatever you Liberals say, Barney isn't saying "ALRIIIIGHT Sean, Baby Bopp is going to teach you how to hold an M16, and then we can purge the world of Pagans! Ooohoohoo this is gonna be GREAT!"

And the government sure as hell doesn't sanction it.

This won't stop TPH from continuing to be a fool though.

I'm not surprised they picked Mickey. Afterall, he was the creation of an anti-semitic prick.

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How can anybody side with the Christians (since you can't distinguish between a religion and a group) after listening to Anne Coulter, or Bill O'Reilly, or Sean Hannity, etc is beyond me

Easy. Nobody elected those guys. Hamas are in government. When the US people elect them, I'll reconsider.


Let's see... John Ashcroft, George W. Bush... two 'Moral 'Majority" types who've been elected to positions of power in the US. (Ashcroft to a seat in congress, Bush first to the Governorship of Texas, then to the Presidency.)


Besides, the Mickey clone basically told Bush and Co. to go screw themselves. This certainly makes it crude, but not all bad by my measures. Here's an idea: have the clone do a skit for a (Bush Administration) White House event. Either the clone will become toast, or some republicans will. Either way, the world wins. ;) :D

We must all pity the poor palestinian children - being subjected to such horribly made TV must leave lifelong scars ;_;

Also, I love the idea of using a symbol of western degeneration to teach the kids muslim values. That's totally not going to confuse anyone.

We must all pity the poor palestinian children - being subjected to such horribly made TV must leave lifelong scars ;_;

Also, I love the idea of using a symbol of western degeneration to teach the kids muslim values. That's totally not going to confuse anyone.

*nodnodnod*

Totally.

Cornerstone? Nucleus? Used in a normal conversation? They are translating these up instead of straight. Otherwise, no wonder they will win, their children know bigger words. They will confuse our soldiers in conversation and then overtake them.Kind of makes ya' wonder though don't it? I'd like to have an independent translation. For all I know they could be talking about the alphabet and how to count to ten. Hard to trust subtitles from a biased source.

I'm not worried unless they start using Wile E. Coyote videos to teach suicide bombers.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/CoyoteBoom.jpg

:D

I was trying to think of a better children's cartoon to trump that, but I think you've just about won lol

Kind of makes ya' wonder though don't it? I'd like to have an independent translation. For all I know they could be talking about the alphabet and how to count to ten. Hard to trust subtitles from a biased source.

There are SO many words that you can recognise if you have any sense of language. Moreover, Palestinian Media Watch would completely discredit itself by offering false translations. Seriously, you're just grasping straws if you refuse to believe what you see.

It is perfectly possible to sympathise with the Palestinian cause whilst believing, strongly, that the propaganda to which these children are exposed should stop.

Still not as good as that blue fascist hippo, who I currently forget the name of :)

There are SO many words that you can recognise if you have any sense of language. Moreover, Palestinian Media Watch would completely discredit itself by offering false translations. Seriously, you're just grasping straws if you refuse to believe what you see.

It is perfectly possible to sympathise with the Palestinian cause whilst believing, strongly, that the propaganda to which these children are exposed should stop.Believe what I see? I saw a muppet head with a voice-over I couldn't understand and some girl saying something equally undescipherable. PMW has a reputation that I should know? Grasping at straws? Naw, just not taking a string of subtitles as accurate without confirmation just because some YouTube blip says it's so. One universal truth of the internet is don't believe everything you see or read.

Have fun living in your own little world then. :D

Kind of makes ya' wonder though don't it? I'd like to have an independent translation. For all I know they could be talking about the alphabet and how to count to ten. Hard to trust subtitles from a biased source.

I was listening out for Arab phrases I recognise (insh'allah for example) and they seemed to match up with the translation. I don't see why Bush, Sharon, and Olmert would be mentioned in a programme on the alphabet either. ;)

Disney should sue the Palestinian authority and use the money they get from the copyright infringement suit to buy cluster bombs for Israel. That would piss Hamas off to no end.

Disney should sue the Palestinian authority and use the money they get from the copyright infringement suit to buy cluster bombs for Israel. That would piss Hamas off to no end.

Trademark infringement even ;)

Trademark infringement even ;)

Yeah. Whatever. I'm not a lawyer here.

Disney should sue the Palestinian authority and use the money they get from the copyright infringement suit to buy cluster bombs for Israel. That would piss Hamas off to no end.

There's no need to use violence, I think it'd be more ironic to make a new series of Mickey Mouse with Mohammed making a cameo appearence. That or animate the Danish cartoons.

There's no need to use violence, I think it'd be more ironic to make a new series of Mickey Mouse with Mohammed making a cameo appearence. That or animate the Danish cartoons.

Hamas leaders would be a better target. They are after all the ones promoting this, not Mohammed.
And yes, our good old coyote would be a good rolemodel.

Yay! More stuff from this programme surfacing now! n_n (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8_iAy-AweU&mode=related&search=)

Good stuff.

Epic win.

I've discovered a flaw in the programme, though - how many palestinian children do actually have access to a TV? :/ All this efford, wasted...

*Also wonders how much of the 500 mio € transferred anually from the EU to the Palestine Authority went into this show*

I'm vaguely suspicious as to the validity of the source, but if it is true then it's fucked up. Mind you, remember The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Mickey's always been into rebellion/uprising.
That's why you should...
VOTE MOBRA!
*Nods*

Disney should sue the Palestinian authority and use the money they get from the copyright infringement suit to buy cluster bombs for Israel. That would piss Hamas off to no end.
Especially with Disney being part of the Jew conspiracy.

Especially with Disney being part of the Jew conspiracy.

Everybody knows Walt Disney was an antisemite.

For the most part Disney doesn't appear to have had strong political views--his politics seemed to turn on whatever it took to keep his studio going. It's likely his interest in the German American Bund sprang from a desire to forge relationships with Germany for possible film distribution there. On the other hand, there was a lot of antisemitic feeling in the Disney studio. While no one can specifically attribute bias to Disney himself, Jewish people were ready fodder for the animators' gags and Disney approved every scene in every short the studio made. In one scene in the original version of "The Three Little Pigs," the Big Bad Wolf comes to the door dressed as a stereotypical Jewish peddler. Disney changed the scene after complaints from Jewish groups. They didn't catch them all, though. In the short "The Opry House" Mickey Mouse is seen dressed and dancing as a Hasidic Jew.http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mdisneyfascist.html

They really should hire better propaganda people. There's no catchy music, no dance number, only two camera angles. I was not inspired to slay a single Jew.

Just for the record, the translation has been confirmed on the Guardian's website (http://www.guardian.co.uk).

Funny how Hamas is all anti-American, but they're more than happy to appropriate an American cultural icon.

Funny how Hamas is all anti-American, but they're more than happy to appropriate an American cultural icon.

It's funny how Hamas seem to hate the West in general, but still expect us to give them aid...

Epic win.

I've discovered a flaw in the programme, though - how many palestinian children do actually have access to a TV? :/ All this efford, wasted...

*Also wonders how much of the 500 mio € transferred anually from the EU to the Palestine Authority went into this show*

The whole show is fairly ironic indeed. As for the lack of televisions, the BBC factbook claims this:

Television is the key source for news and information in the Palestinian areas.

The Palestinian press
Official broadcasting is run by the Palestinian Broadcasting Corporation (PBC) which operates Voice of Palestine radio and Palestine TV. These outlets came under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian president in early 2006; the move was seen as an attempt to prevent the new Hamas-dominated government from exerting control over the official media.

There are dozens of private TV and radio stations. Jordanian TV is widely-watched in the West Bank. Pan-Arab satellite broadcasters, including Qatar's Al-Jazeera TV, are popular.

International watchdogs regard the media as being generally more independent than in much of the rest of the Arab world. However, journalists risk harassment, attack or arrest by the security services, armed activists or militant groups. Self-censorship is widespread.

Media rights watchdog Reporters Without Borders said in 2005 that threats, violence and killings of journalists had "increased alarmingly" amid political instability.

As for the money, one would hope this is spent on government salaries and the like, not just given to Hamas.

Everybody knows Walt Disney was an antisemite. so I guess he would not mind. ;)

Point out that the Hamas government in the Occupied terrorties has banned the programme. However the poverty and desperation of the Palestinians is a direct result of the rascist imperialist behaviour of the Israelis.

Thank you for watching the Lie and Bullshit Channel.

If we see the entire Occupied Territories go up in a gigantic mushroom cloud with mouse ears, then we know how it started.

Thank you for watching the Lie and Bullshit Channel.FOX

However the poverty and desperation of the Palestinians is a direct result of the rascist imperialist behaviour of the Israelis.

My sense of honor as a "crazy" pro Israel Jew couldn't let you get away with that.

The Israelis are rarely rascist. It's like blacks in America the official racism isn't there but barriers exist.

The Palestianians also make it hard on themselves, they bomb Israel, Israel defends itself by tightening security at the expense of the Palestinian economy, so then poor desperate Palestinians bomb leading to more security, etc.

Then imperialist. Israel won the territory that connected to them in war, it's no different than the US winning the Mexican-American war and then creating 5 states out of the territory with settlers that displaced the Mexican population.
Also most Israeli settlements are/were in land that was desert or not inhabited before they got there. My cousins live in a settlement and before that settlement was built the land was nothing but useless desert. Nobody was living there so in them building they have helped everybody both Palestinians and Israelis.

Finally Arab countries refuse to help them. Egypt won't accept Gaza back and Jordan doesn't want the West Bank back despite Israel's asking in both of their peace treaties. So it's not 100% Israel's fault. Though I will place partial blame on the Israelis.

Waits for the thread to devolve into Israel-Palestinian arguments now

My sense of honor as a "crazy" pro Israel Jew couldn't let you get away with that.

The Israelis are rarely rascist. It's like blacks in America the official racism isn't there but barriers exist.
Are you saying black Americans arn't racist or America isn't officially racist towards black people? Because the latter is correct, but black people are some racist mother fuckers.

Are you saying black Americans arn't racist or America isn't officially racist towards black people? Because the latter is correct, but black people are some racist mother fuckers.

America isn't rascist towards black people.

My sense of honor as a * pro Israel Jew couldn't let you get away with that.
you deserve maximun points for honesty..

* and I edited out the word "crazy".. I dont think its accurate.