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NOTE: this has nothing to do with characters, or the stories. Just plain simple conflict

Perhaps a better question to ask then the all to common SW vs ST is who would win Stargate or Star Trek?

I don’t pretend to know which two is greater…and its my general opinion that despite stats and such neither can be truly called greater because they are from different universes and thus cant truly even demonstrate superiority over another. But I ask anyway…because I like to see what people think

As of this edit no more "Q vs the Ascended" type stuff...its dominating the thread and ignores some of the other aspects

I haven't watched either of these in years, but I would have thought that spaceships and photon torpedoes would beat a weapon that can be defeated by putting a big rock in front of it.

where's the "who cares?" option?

I haven't watched either of these in years, but I would have thought that spaceships and photon torpedoes would beat a weapon that can be defeated by putting a big rock in front of it.

What weapon?

Stargate at least tries to be somewhat realistic. In Star Trek, all problems can be solved with the deflector dish.

What weapon?

You know, that big gate thing that the entire series is based on?

You know, that big gate thing that the entire series is based on?

That's not a weapon..........

That's not a weapon..........

Righty ho.

I was bored, so I thought I'd post, but thread nerd levels are already reaching critical, so...

*Leaves thread*

:p

You know, that big gate thing that the entire series is based on?

not a weapon...

and if you catch up...perhaps consider the power of the Alteran Aurora class Battleship, or the Ori Battlecruiser...or even the Antarctic Outpost

Righty ho.

I was bored, so I thought I'd post, but thread nerd levels are already reaching critical, so...

*Leaves thread*

:p

Good point, it looks like we'll have a nerd core breach in a few minutes.

*runs*

NOTE: this has nothing to do with characters, or the stories. Just plain simple conflict

Perhaps a better question to ask then the all to common SW vs ST is who would win Stargate or Star Trek?

I don’t pretend to know which two is greater…and its my general opinion that despite stats and such neither can be truly called greater because they are from different universes and thus cant truly even demonstrate superiority over another. But I ask anyway…because I like to see what people thinkWhat exactly do you mean? What weapons do the SG folks have? In ST I can think of some nice Xindi or Dominion weaponry, and quantum torpedoes or the verteron-emission array on Mars surely could do some damage to Goa'uld ships.

where's the "who cares?" option?

i didn't see a point in adding an option like that because if they dont care, why are they even looking here?

Stargate. Because Startrek is just frigid. Especially with that thespian and what not.

Ascended Ancients have as much power as Q. Also Stargate uses it's technology a bit more realistically. While the federation is shooting quantium torpedoes at the earth ships, Stargate would simply beam a mark 9 gate buster nuke (which can nearly take out a planet) on the bridge then bye bye federation ship. The stargate teleporter works through shields.

Good point, it looks like we'll have a nerd core breach in a few minutes.

*runs*

What exactly do you mean? What weapons do the SG folks have? In ST I can think of some nice Xindi or Dominion weaponry, and quantum torpedoes or the verteron-emission array on Mars surely could do some damage to Goa'uld ships.

She cannae take any more, Cap'n!

Stargate wins, anywhere, anytime.

Alterans.

Thread over.

Alterans.

Thread over.

I think its important to note that the Alterans lost a war to the numerically stronger Wraith...who live on what? 60 Hive Ships? i would think then that they could be again overrun by enemies...this time with shields on the ships they use...(though Alteran Drone Weapons seem to have a considerably good record of not being concerned with shields)

Alterans.

Thread over.

Alterans? Refresh my memory, aren't they the ones who started a war with "the breeders" and poisoned their entire planet in an attempt to kill them off?

EDIT:Evidently not. Why don't I remember who the Alterans are?

The only Star Trek I watched with the level of commitment I watch Stargate was TNG. I like Stargate better, though. It's less like watching a bunch of people who go to work in their giant space office and more like watching an actual military doing military things with remote realism.

Alterans? Refresh my memory, aren't they the ones who started a war with "the breeders" and poisoned their entire planet in an attempt to kill them off?

EDIT:Evidently not. Why don't I remember who the Alterans are?

Alteran is interchangeable with Ancient if you havnt figured that out yet

Alteran is interchangeable with Ancient if you havnt figured that out yet

Ah. I see. Yeah, the Ancients would essentially make most of the Star Trek universe their bitches.

Ascended Ancients have as much power as Q. Also Stargate uses it's technology a bit more realistically. While the federation is shooting quantium torpedoes at the earth ships, Stargate would simply beam a mark 9 gate buster nuke (which can nearly take out a planet) on the bridge then bye bye federation ship. The stargate teleporter works through shields.
Two things wrong with that statement:
1. A Mark Nine cannot destroy an entire planet. It causes serious devestation to one hundred miles worth of surface, but it is nowhere near powerful enough.
2. The Stargate Asgard Beaming Technology does NOT work through shields, or at least not enemy shields. One's own shields can be tuned to the frequency, but as seen numerous times--such as that episode where Ba'al was grabbing Stargates from all over the Milky Way and they were tagging them to beam the gates aboard the Odyssey--they cannot transport through enemy shields.

I think its important to note that the Alterans lost a war to the numerically stronger Wraith...who live on what? 60 Hive Ships? i would think then that they could be again overrun by enemies...this time with shields on the ships they use...(though Alteran Drone Weapons seem to have a considerably good record of not being concerned with shields)
I would think Atlantis should have some kind of weapon other than those damned drones...it seems odd, especially considering the satallite weapon.

Still, I doubt there's only 60 Hive Ships in the entire galaxy...that was simply the count they received from that one source of information. A galaxy is huge, even a dwarf galaxy such as Pegasus, and as such 60 Hive Ships is ridiculously small as a force to patrol such vast amounts of space.

For the record, I voted Stargate, even though I did grow up on Trek, Stargate is superior when it comes to acting and writing. In a technological battle...eh, I think it'd be a tie between, say, the Enterprise-E and the Daedalus. Picard has his neato phasers and quantum torpedoes, but Caldwell has those Asgard shields which are probably several magnitudes more powerful than any Federation shields, barring that deployable armour seen in Voyager's final episode.

Besides, Stargate has several advantages, such as the Stargate itself, or intergalactic hyperdrive...hell, even the normal hyperdrive was still good enough for full intragalactic travel, while the Federation is limited to the Alpha Quadrant at most.

Ah. I see. Yeah, the Ancients would essentially make most of the Star Trek universe their bitches.

the Alterans can have that effect on alot of things...

but a good question would be... Can the Borg adapt to the Alterans ever so powerful Drone Weapons?

and...how long would a Replicator-Borg conflict go on for?

NOTE: this has nothing to do with characters, or the stories. Just plain simple conflict

Perhaps a better question to ask then the all to common SW vs ST is who would win Stargate or Star Trek?

I don’t pretend to know which two is greater…and its my general opinion that despite stats and such neither can be truly called greater because they are from different universes and thus cant truly even demonstrate superiority over another. But I ask anyway…because I like to see what people think

Neither, their both works of fiction. :D However, since it's obvious some decision needs to come about. Here's a simple process of going about that.

All shows popularity is determined by it's ratings. So, which ever poll option has the most votes at the end of the days wins the conflict and is declared the winner.-Simple, but effective and this debate will never need to be done again. :) Hopefully

That aside, I like both shows equally.

Alterans? Refresh my memory, aren't they the ones who started a war with "the breeders" and poisoned their entire planet in an attempt to kill them off?

EDIT:Evidently not. Why don't I remember who the Alterans are?

Alterans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alteran)

I wonder what would happen if the Borg assimilated the Wraith.

Or the Asgard. That'd be an interesting day.

Wraith...hmmm worth it? they arn't the most advanced...they dont even have shields...

Asgard...they seem to know how to deal fairly well with advanced races that can adapt to weapons(like Replicators)

Two things wrong with that statement:
1. A Mark Nine cannot destroy an entire planet. It causes serious devestation to one hundred miles worth of surface, but it is nowhere near powerful enough.
2. The Stargate Asgard Beaming Technology does NOT work through shields, or at least not enemy shields. One's own shields can be tuned to the frequency, but as seen numerous times--such as that episode where Ba'al was grabbing Stargates from all over the Milky Way and they were tagging them to beam the gates aboard the Odyssey--they cannot transport through enemy shields.


I would think Atlantis should have some kind of weapon other than those damned drones...it seems odd, especially considering the satallite weapon.

Still, I doubt there's only 60 Hive Ships in the entire galaxy...that was simply the count they received from that one source of information. A galaxy is huge, even a dwarf galaxy such as Pegasus, and as such 60 Hive Ships is ridiculously small as a force to patrol such vast amounts of space.

For the record, I voted Stargate, even though I did grow up on Trek, Stargate is superior when it comes to acting and writing. In a technological battle...eh, I think it'd be a tie between, say, the Enterprise-E and the Daedalus. Picard has his neato phasers and quantum torpedoes, but Caldwell has those Asgard shields which are probably several magnitudes more powerful than any Federation shields, barring that deployable armour seen in Voyager's final episode.

Besides, Stargate has several advantages, such as the Stargate itself, or intergalactic hyperdrive...hell, even the normal hyperdrive was still good enough for full intragalactic travel, while the Federation is limited to the Alpha Quadrant at most.

60 Hive Ships is a very small amount yes, but they spend most of the time in hibernation...though it is true that its only confirmed ships...not exactly a true total...but then think of the Goa'uld...they controlled most of the Milky Way...and Anubis controlled most of the Goa'uld power(at the time, though that could have been much cut down from total possible power)...his fleet was only something like 30 Ha'Taks(that we know of...)

We could just go completely whiggy and say that the Borg are really what happened to the Ancients. They just completely jumped universe.

Wow...I was just reminded of the Star Trek TNG/X-Men crossover book I read. Sooo awful.

The original Star Trek is the best. With Shatner. So kick ass.

One has MacGyver.

Case closed.

the Alterans can have that effect on alot of things...

but a good question would be... Can the Borg adapt to the Alterans ever so powerful Drone Weapons?

and...how long would a Replicator-Borg conflict go on for?
I could see the replicators winning against the borg. Especially if the human-like replicators were involved.
Wraith...hmmm worth it? they arn't the most advanced...they dont even have shields...
They do have biological superiority on their side.

Asgard...they seem to know how to deal fairly well with advanced races that can adapt to weapons(like Replicators)

The replicators don't adapt to weapons, they're just impervious to energy weapons. Except that anti-replicator weapon.

We could just go completely whiggy and say that the Borg are really what happened to the Ancients. They just completely jumped universe.

Wow...I was just reminded of the Star Trek TNG/X-Men crossover book I read. Sooo awful.


lol

oddly enough one of the reasons i started this thread was because i was considering starting an RP with a Gate-Trek crossover...

and the other would be just wanting to know what others think

One has MacGyver.

Case closed.

ROFL. Good point. I think you win.

I wonder what would happen if the Borg assimilated the Wraith.
They wouldn't, both for technological reasons and the simple fact that the Wraith's diatary requirements would force Wraith Drones to feed on other Drones.

Or the Asgard. That'd be an interesting day.
Oh, please let these spoiler tags work!

The Asgard are all dead as of Stargate SG-1's final episode, "Unending." They gave all of their knowledge in a database to humanity, as well as installing all sorts of neat weaponry and other technology on the Odyssey, then they destroyed their own planet and sacrificed themselves so no one else could get their hands on Asgasd technology, because they failed to find a way past the genetic deteriation caused by their constant cloning process. What happened to Hermiod is unknown.

Star Gate wins. In SG humanity's last hour, McGyver will find a bit of string, a chewtoy and a month old roadkill, and construct a device that'll eliminate the ST threat in a suitably moral fashion, without killing any of them.

EDIT: Damn, beaten to it.

One has MacGyver.

Case closed.

ROFL. Good point. I think you win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZwGqfcrHkg

:D

I could see the replicators winning against the borg. Especially if the human-like replicators were involved.

They do have biological superiority on their side.



The replicators don't adapt to weapons, they're just impervious to energy weapons. Except that anti-replicator weapon.

yes, Replicators winning...just a matter of how long...

biological superiority...if refering to the tech more like an inferiority...the Wraith themselfs...i wonder if the Borg could fix the feeding problem...though i suppose they would...but maybe not...its quite different then the way most ST races eat...

Replicators adapted to a weapon fired on them by an Asgard ship(the Daniel Jackson IIRC) shortly before being taken out by the Dakara Superweapon....

lol

oddly enough one of the reasons i started this thread was because i was considering starting an RP with a Gate-Trek crossover...

and the other would be just wanting to know what others think

Just as long as you don't go on about how one of the female characters (who's a good Storm double...Teyla almost seems too obvious, but...) has a fling with Picard who looks suspiciously like her boss (fill in Xavier double here). Oh, and make sure Teal'C has holo-hunts with Worf...Wait...wasn't an actor from one of the Star Treks in Stargate as recurring extra? I wonder how that would play out.

EDIT: Ah, well, that little spoiler sort of takes the wind out of the Asgard sails. *laughs* Nevermind, then.

Although, the Wraith drones eating other Wraith drones might make for a good way to dispose of the Wraith.

Although, the Wraith drones eating other Wraith drones might make for a good way to dispose of the Wraith.

the real question is would Wraith feeding needs be fixed by the Borg? the Borg dont need to eat like normal races all over the galaxy...but could they fix the Wraith?

Worf...Wait...wasn't an actor from one of the Star Treks in Stargate as recurring extra? I wonder how that would play out.

Several actually...John De Lancie played Colonol Simms for a while till he was Goa'uldified and died...then there's Picardo, who played the Doctor on Voyager, and who still plays Richard Woolsey on both Stargates...and maybe Jolene Blaylock as Ishta...

EDIT: Ah, well, that little spoiler sort of takes the wind out of the Asgard sails. *laughs* Nevermind, then.
Indeed.

Although, the Wraith drones eating other Wraith drones might make for a good way to dispose of the Wraith.
Well, it's not the first time Wraith have fed upon other Wraith, but I don't agree with that idea.

Besides, there has to be a way for humans and Wraith to coexist. There are good Goa'uld--the Tok'ra--so why not good Wraith? It's not as if a species can truly be evil. If only some way could be found...call it the peacenik Trekkie in me but I like my diplomatic solutions versus genocide.

Besides, there has to be a way for humans and Wraith to coexist. There are good Goa'uld--the Tok'ra--so why not good Wraith? It's not as if a species can truly be evil. If only some way could be found...call it the peacenik Trekkie in me but I like my diplomatic solutions versus genocide.

i think its quite clear that many Wraith are not evil...they simply have the need to feed...which causes they who are fed on to fear the Wraith...

the real question is would Wraith feeding needs be fixed by the Borg? the Borg dont need to eat like normal races all over the galaxy...but could they fix the Wraith?

Ooh, that is a good question. But what's a Wraith without the Wraith appetite? It often seems to be the only thing that really keeps them going.

Several actually...John De Lancie played Colonol Simms for a while till he was Goa'uldified and died...then there's Picardo, who played the Doctor on Voyager, and who still plays Richard Woolsey on both Stargates...and maybe Jolene Blaylock as Ishta...

Besides, there has to be a way for humans and Wraith to coexist. There are good Goa'uld--the Tok'ra--so why not good Wraith? It's not as if a species can truly be evil. If only some way could be found...call it the peacenik Trekkie in me but I like my diplomatic solutions versus genocide.

I thought there were a few shared actors. Picardo was the one I was thinking of most, though.

And if everyone got along, there wouldn't be much of a show, would there? ;o)

i think its quite clear that many Wraith are not evil...they simply have the need to feed...which causes they who are fed on to fear the Wraith...

But they do tend to act malicious and enjoy the fear they cause, which gives me cause for concern because as a shades of grey kind of man, I hate seeing "pure evil" species in science fiction, especially when it is otherwise so well written.

Perhaps there might not be much of a show, but we can't know for certain. Still, it is up to The Powers That Be, the writers in other words.

Stargate! In ship-to-ship combat, the Federation might have a chance against the G'oald, but G'oald ground soldiers would whoop Trek's redshirts without breaking a sweat. And the G'oald sarcopygas (sic) is better than anything the Federation has. As for the Asgard, their tech is way beyond the Federation's. They time-dialated a whole planet!

Plus, the Gate itself is better than anything the Feds have.

Stargate takes place in contemporary times, while Star Trek is off in the way future. We can relate a lot better to modern US military hiding alien technology from the general public than a perfect society in the future where nobody needs money and everyone's happy- on the surface.

Stargate wins for one reason: Anceints are threatend by the Q and defeat them and then the ORi swoop in and defeat both sides,, until the Death Star kills the Ori and stormtroopers march in DC.

That's not a weapon..........

Not really, but the iris does sorta turn it into one.

Trek wins everything. ;)

I really wish people would figure that out and quit asking stupid questions (no offense to the OP)

Trek wins everything. ;)

I really wish people would figure that out and quit asking stupid questions (no offense to the OP)

Sorry, Smunkee, not this time. I'm afraid Stargate wins out.

Sorry, Smunkee, not this time. I'm afraid Stargate wins out.

Trek wins everything.
because writing it big and pretty furthers my denial

Trek wins everything.
because writing it big and pretty furthers my denial

Nope. Not this time. Stargate beats out Star Trek, I'm afraid. You'll just have to deal with it. And hey, remember, I'm the guy who grew up on Star Trek, so if I'm saying it, it must be true.

Nope. Not this time. Stargate beats out Star Trek, I'm afraid. You'll just have to deal with it. And hey, remember, I'm the guy who grew up on Star Trek, so if I'm saying it, it must be true.

not believing you.

Hubby also grew up on Trek and is older than you

*asks hubby*

Hubby says
"who specifically from Stargate?, because in general the humans in Stargate are soldiers from our current time, while Star Trek humans are from the future, so they would be better at fighting someone from the past than someone from the past is at fighting someone from the future.......and why are you asking? go to bed."

I think he agrees with me (whether or not he makes sense, I just woke him up to ask him)

not believing you.

Hubby also grew up on Trek and is older than you

*asks hubby*

Hubby says
"who specifically from Stargate?, because in general the humans in Stargate are soldiers from our current time, while Star Trek humans are from the future, so they would be better at fighting someone from the past than someone from the past is at fighting someone from the future.......and why are you asking? go to bed."

I think he agrees with me (whether or not he makes sense, I just woke him up to ask him)

Humans in Stargate are modern soldiers with awesome space-ships, alien technology and supernukes. Humans in Trek are space-commies with dust-busters for weapons.

Humans in Stargate are modern soldiers with awesome space-ships, alien technology and supernukes. Humans in Trek are space-commies with dust-busters for weapons.

he wants to know which stargate and which star trek.

he wants to know which stargate and which star trek.
It'd be sensible to say the latest (as in furthest future) Star Trek and the last season of SG-1.

not believing you.

Hubby also grew up on Trek and is older than you

*asks hubby*

Hubby says
"who specifically from Stargate?, because in general the humans in Stargate are soldiers from our current time, while Star Trek humans are from the future, so they would be better at fighting someone from the past than someone from the past is at fighting someone from the future.......and why are you asking? go to bed."

I think he agrees with me (whether or not he makes sense, I just woke him up to ask him)
Oh, fine, don't believe me. I was talking about the quality of the writing and the acting anyway.

Humans in Stargate are modern soldiers with awesome space-ships, alien technology and supernukes. Humans in Trek are space-commies with dust-busters for weapons.

Oh please...the Federation is not a communistic society, or at least not in the sense we would know it as.

It'd be sensible to say the latest (as in furthest future) Star Trek and the last season of SG-1.
he claims that the TV rendition of Stargate sucks......and also he would like me to quit waking him up if we aren't going to have sex.

Oh, fine, don't believe me. I was talking about the quality of the writing and the acting anyway.
oh, well, that.......you didn't say that.

I wasn't being serious with the commie thing.

EDIT: he's a tool. TV Stargate is awesome.

:D Love your sig Kyronea

Hubby says
"who specifically from Stargate?, because in general the humans in Stargate are soldiers from our current time, while Star Trek humans are from the future, so they would be better at fighting someone from the past than someone from the past is at fighting someone from the future.......and why are you asking? go to bed."

Star Trek humans can't seem to figure out grenades, body armor, cover fire and other assorted infantry combat tactics.

Stargate humans don't have that problem.

I think somewhere along the line, Star Trek humans forgot the basics of infantry combat. So they lose.

Star Trek humans can't seem to figure out grenades, body armor, cover fire and other assorted infantry combat tactics.

Stargate humans don't have that problem.

I think somewhere along the line, Star Trek humans forgot the basics of infantry combat. So they lose.

Somewhere along the line, they learned that as long as they have deflector dishes they can sort everything out without resort to combat of any kind.

Star Trek humans can't seem to figure out grenades, body armor, cover fire and other assorted infantry combat tactics.

I'd love to see them fight a Kull Warrior.

I'd love to see them fight a Kull Warrior.

Wave after wave of redshirts would be lost.

he claims that the TV rendition of Stargate sucks......and also he would like me to quit waking him up if we aren't going to have sex.
Then he's incorrect. The original movie was subpar at best...some nice concepts but ultimately it fell flat, except for the music, of course. Both series, on the other hand, are written more intelligently, and have far superior acting on the part of all the regulars.

And you can tell him that you can wake him whenever you please, because you're his wife. ;)


oh, well, that.......you didn't say that.
I apologize...I thought that was implied.
I wasn't being serious with the commie thing.

Oh goodie.

EDIT: he's a tool. TV Stargate is awesome.
Now now...no need to insult Mr. Smunk.
:D Love your sig Kyronea
Don't thank me, thank the writers of Duet and David Hewlett's acting abilities. I just quoted it.

they would sit there in their ship for 20 minutes trying to repurpose a defletor dis instead of rading the SGC and taking a P-90 and just killing it.

Wave after wave of redshirts would be lost.

Do you reckon they'd eventually win?

they would sit there in their ship for 20 minutes trying to repurpose a defletor dis instead of rading the SGC and taking a P-90 and just killing it.

That's a reason I forgot. Stargate is awesome because they use FN P-90s.

Do you reckon they'd eventually win?

Absolutely!

The Kull warriors have a very limited lifespan, remember? :D

My dad just answered the thread.

O Neil wanted to name the Prometheous the Enterprise.

Therefore Star Trek is a TV series existing in Stargate. As such Stargate wins because the actors that play Star Trek characters cant stand against the might of Mac Gyver (?).

Do you reckon they'd eventually win?

I think after noticing how the armour absorbs all energy they'd stop and retreat. Remember, Starfleet officers aren't stupid...they're just not true military officers the way SG-1 and the other SG teams are. They would figure it out...if the SGC with its limited knowledge can, I think some of those famous Starfleet engineers could eventually whip up a solution. I'd give O'Brien and LaForge a chance at it, at least, and I'm sure they'd succeed.


That's a reason I forgot. Stargate is awesome because they use FN P-90s.
P90s are interesting, to be sure...I'd like to get my hands on a civilian model someday, because they are remarkably efficient weapons.

You know what's really interesting? P90s are designed to use armour-piercing rounds over traditional rounds, and early on before they switched to P90s they had a lot more trouble taking out Jaffa. Hell, remember the first scene of the first episode? Those airmen fired all they had at the Jaffa armour and barely made a dent.

Absolutely!

The Kull warriors have a very limited lifespan, remember? :D

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/110/zappbranniganom2.png
You see, Killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shut down.

I think after noticing how the armour absorbs all energy they'd stop and retreat. Remember, Starfleet officers aren't stupid...they're just not true military officers the way SG-1 and the other SG teams are. They would figure it out...if the SGC with its limited knowledge can, I think some of those famous Starfleet engineers could eventually whip up a solution. I'd give O'Brien and LaForge a chance at it, at least, and I'm sure they'd succeed.

well...

the SGC had Toj'ra help making the weapon they made...

and the weapon was basically designed to end the effects of the healing device that gave Kull Warriors life in the first place, rather then trying to get past the armor for a kill shot with a high power "killing" weapon. though i dont think its ever explained exactly why this energy is not treated the same...maybe its the force of the blast or just the type of energy

though with enough firepower Kull Armor can be defeated in other ways

well...

the SGC had Toj'ra help making the weapon they made...

and the weapon was basically designed to end the effects of the healing device that gave Kull Warriors life in the first place, rather then trying to get past the armor for a kill shot with a high power "killing" weapon. though i dont think its ever explained exactly why this energy is not treated the same...maybe its the force of the blast or just the type of energy

though with enough firepower Kull Armor can be defeated in other ways
True, they did have the help of the Tok'ra, but still, Starfleet Engineers could figure it out, though the healing device bit is a problem.

As for why it works the way it does...remember, the armour absorbs all energy, and also serves as a lifeshell for the Kull Warrior. So, presumeably, the armour just uses whatever energy it absorbs to power itself, but if the energy counteracts that which gives the Kull Warrior life, it would kill the warrior instead. Or maybe I'm just technobabbling.

Star Trek wins hands down.

lol, one-shot puppet.

My dad just answered the thread.

O Neil wanted to name the Prometheous the Enterprise.

Therefore Star Trek is a TV series existing in Stargate. As such Stargate wins because the actors that play Star Trek characters cant stand against the might of Mac Gyver (?).

MacGyver is a TV series on Stargate too.

"Before we learned about the DHD, we had no idea how to dial the gate so we had to use a supercomputer to MacGyver the whole thing."

Or something like that.

True, they did have the help of the Tok'ra, but still, Starfleet Engineers could figure it out, though the healing device bit is a problem.

As for why it works the way it does...remember, the armour absorbs all energy, and also serves as a lifeshell for the Kull Warrior. So, presumeably, the armour just uses whatever energy it absorbs to power itself, but if the energy counteracts that which gives the Kull Warrior life, it would kill the warrior instead. Or maybe I'm just technobabbling.

i accept your explenation as a better one then any i have otherwise

and thanks for the typo fix...

i didn't say they couldn't...though i can see how that can be assumed. but i simply think it would take them a fair bit, and might require them finding out a little more about the Kull themselfs

Star Trek wins hands down.

lol, one-shot puppet.

Lifeless Trekkie :P

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Here's another reason I like Stargate better than Star Trek.

Planetary Exploration.

When you're about to venture onto a strange new world, how would you prefer to go about it?

Stargate: Send in a remote to see if human beings can survive with relative reason or if protection will be required. Personnel stepping on the planet will be wearing tactical vests with plasma-ablative plating and pack reasonable firepower given technology and expectations of forces.

Star Trek: Starship scans planets to see if human beings can survive with relative reason or if protection will be required. Personnel beamed onto the planet will be wearing little more than their dress uniforms in most circumstances and will carry teeny-tiny equipment and phasers. NO ARMOR.

MacGyver is a TV series on Stargate too.

"Before we learned about the DHD, we had no idea how to dial the gate so we had to use a supercomputer to MacGyver the whole thing."

Or something like that.
Indeed. Apart from the existance of the Stargate and the differences in history--as well as the news programs--it seems the Stargate Earth is identical to our own, including all television shows, networks, and so on and so forth, which is the whole point.

i accept your explenation as a better one then any i have otherwise

and thanks for the typo fix...

i didn't say they couldn't...though i can see how that can be assumed. but i simply think it would take them a fair bit, and might require them finding out a little more about the Kull themselfs

Aye, it would definitely take some information hunting on their part, and it would take them a bit. I'm not sure I see why they would be fighting a Kull Warrior in the first place though...but then I see no reason for any of these fanwanking conflicts people like to put up. As far as I'm concerned, writing and acting far outweigh whatever technology is used. As such:

Stargate >>>> Star Trek >>>>>>>>>>>>> Star Wars. Period.

You almost just started anothe Trek Vs Wars thing, there. If geeky rage could be adequately expressed over the tubes...

What exactly do you mean? What weapons do the SG folks have? In ST I can think of some nice Xindi or Dominion weaponry, and quantum torpedoes or the verteron-emission array on Mars surely could do some damage to Goa'uld ships.

SG weapons such as the FN P-90 are WAY more useful in combat that those crappy phasers. Goa'uld motherships And ALL ST weapons and defenses are frequency dependant; match the frequency (assuming SG weapons are effected by it) and it is as if the shields never existed.

What exactly do you mean? What weapons do the SG folks have? In ST I can think of some nice Xindi or Dominion weaponry, and quantum torpedoes or the verteron-emission array on Mars surely could do some damage to Goa'uld ships.

Well, the ZAT gun's pretty cool. And that little palm thingy that the Goa'uld had that more or less killed people. Plus, they couldn't really die unless their symbiote did...what did the Trekkers have?

Indeed. Apart from the existance of the Stargate and the differences in history--as well as the news programs--it seems the Stargate Earth is identical to our own, including all television shows, networks, and so on and so forth, which is the whole point.



Aye, it would definitely take some information hunting on their part, and it would take them a bit. I'm not sure I see why they would be fighting a Kull Warrior in the first place though...but then I see no reason for any of these fanwanking conflicts people like to put up. As far as I'm concerned, writing and acting far outweigh whatever technology is used. As such:

Stargate >>>> Star Trek >>>>>>>>>>>>> Star Wars. Period.

And since just about every Federation firearms is energy-based, all it takes is a couple of Drones or guys in Drone Armor and it'll look like another Stormtrooper Ball.

P90s versus brightly coloured jumpsuits. :D

Well, the ZAT gun's pretty cool. And that little palm thingy that the Goa'uld had that more or less killed people. Plus, they couldn't really die unless their symbiote did...what did the Trekkers have?

They have Trill. They don't take over the host completely... but they don't provide kick-ass super immunity and super strength either.

P90s versus brightly coloured jumpsuits. :D

I saw a P90 at the local gun show, VERY cool.

Star Trek: The woman captain ends up getting her ship lost (big surprise ;) ) and figures it'd end up taking them seventy years to get from one side of the galaxy to the other.

Stargate: Their ships can make a trip between galaxies in a matter of weeks.

Stargate wins :D

Star Trek: The woman captain ends up getting her ship lost (big surprise ;) ) and figures it'd end up taking them seventy years to get from one side of the galaxy to the other.

Stargate: Their ships can make a trip between galaxies in a matter of weeks.

Stargate wins :D

Asgard can do it in minutes...and with a ZPM Earth can do it in 4 days...

Asgard can do it in minutes...and with a ZPM Earth can do it in 4 days...

Now now, I was trying to be fair by limiting it to Earth ships.

Fight is over in two seconds when the Asgard decide to collapse Federation Earth's Sun into a black hole. Everyone else quickly gets the hint and asks for terms.

Now now, I was trying to be fair by limiting it to Earth ships.

Fight is over in two seconds when the Asgard decide to collapse Federation Earth's Sun into a black hole. Everyone else quickly gets the hint and asks for terms.

but that wouldn't be any fun!

Now now, I was trying to be fair by limiting it to Earth ships.

Fight is over in two seconds when the Asgard decide to collapse Federation Earth's Sun into a black hole. Everyone else quickly gets the hint and asks for terms.

The only way Trek can win is if Picard managed to hijack every com channel...and talk everyone to death. :p

Star Trek humans can't seem to figure out grenades, body armor, cover fire and other assorted infantry combat tactics.

Stargate humans don't have that problem.

I think somewhere along the line, Star Trek humans forgot the basics of infantry combat. So they lose.Hey, if your enemies can aim as well as a bat can see, then who needs cover fire?

Hey, if your enemies can aim as well as a bat can see, then who needs cover fire?

After all, this is the same series where Space Vikings who charge into battle with only a blade are considered fierce and competent warriors :D

How about losers vs nerds

winner gets a new encyclopedia...my treat :cool:

How about losers vs nerds

winner gets a new encyclopedia...my treat :cool:

Nerds win.

After all, this is the same series where Space Vikings who charge into battle with only a blade are considered fierce and competent warriors :D

Yeah, let's see those damn bat'leth pop open with a hidden gat-blaster.

Klingon Death Comb versus Staff Weapon.

Staff Weapon wins.

Klingons don't just use battleths. They have disruptors and ships and all, ya know.

And if we're allowing just any ST race to compete in this thing... uh, then Star Trek wins. Borg. Species 8472. Q.

Klingons don't just use battleths. They have disruptors and ships and all, ya know.

And if we're allowing just any ST race to compete in this thing... uh, then Star Trek wins. Borg. Species 8472. Q.

Replicators. The Ascended. The Ori.

Replicators. The Ascended. The Ori.

All technology-based. Q snaps his fingers and the Ori are a mariachi band.

All technology-based. Q snaps his fingers and the Ori are a mariachi band.

Nope. The Ori and The Others are like the Q but not suffering from a major case of pain-in-the-ass syndrome. They were incredibly technologically advanced but they evolved basically to godhood.

one can not effectivly comepare Q and Ascended IMO...mostly because they are from two different shows...but they are basically the same thing...

and Borg or 8472 would have some major problems with Alteran Battleships or Replicators

The Replicators would literally eat the Borg for breakfast, and make lots of Replicators out of them. Their silly little tubes of doom wouldn't do squat to a Replicator.

Stargate <3

I like the idea that it's set in the present, and that Gods = aliens. The Stargate races are far far more interesting than Star Trek. ST always bored me a little.

Plus, Stargate has Daniel Jackson. *swoon* :D

Stargate <3

I like the idea that it's set in the present, and that Gods = aliens. The Stargate races are far far more interesting than Star Trek. ST always bored me a little.

Plus, Stargate has Daniel Jackson. *swoon* :D

The only archaeologist who can claim to have been a god at some point.

From Kyronea's sig: clickylinkything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ecfuj2LFw)
Yes, it's different shows, but it contains an applicable answer to the question at hand (yes, that is poke at the onanastic nature of this topic ;) )

Good point, it looks like we'll have a nerd core breach in a few minutes.

*runs*

(Puts on goggles)

(Read chart)

There's been a quantum breach! Abandon ship!

From Kroneya's (sp sorry) sig: clickylinkything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ecfuj2LFw)
Yes, it's different shows, but it contains an applicable answer to the question at hand (yes, that is poke at the onanastic nature of this topic ;) )

All of NSG is en excercise in self-gratification over the tubes. Don't like the thread? GTFO.

If you answer the poll you're a NERD

If you answer the poll you're a NERD

If you use z instead of s you're a loser.

The only way Trek can win is if Picard managed to hijack every com channel...and talk everyone to death. :p

Sisko could do it faster.:p

All of NSG is en excercise in self-gratification over the tubes. Don't like the thread? GTFO.

Why, thank you, and welcome to NSG, may you live long and prosper :fluffle:

Nope. The Ori and The Others are like the Q but not suffering from a major case of pain-in-the-ass syndrome. They were incredibly technologically advanced but they evolved basically to godhood.

"Basically" to godhood? Can they change the gravitational constant of the universe?

Hey, if your enemies can aim as well as a bat can see, then who needs cover fire?

There's an important distinction. Non hero soldiers in the Trek universe couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a howitzer.

Non hero Stargate soldiers were seen actually taking down both enemy infantry and aerial attack craft with man portable weapons.

Thereby, Stargate run of the mill soldiers beat Trek soldiers by several orders of magnitude.

yet another poll missing the "who gives a fuck" option. i hope you realise these kind of polls with the limited options get borked by those of us who like polls but couldn't give a shit about the outcome.

But they do tend to act malicious and enjoy the fear they cause, which gives me cause for concern because as a shades of grey kind of man, I hate seeing "pure evil" species in science fiction, especially when it is otherwise so well written.

Perhaps there might not be much of a show, but we can't know for certain. Still, it is up to The Powers That Be, the writers in other words.

If you can't be loved, be feared.

There was a relatively small African tribe, I forget their name, who used to make up horrible terrifying stories about themselves and spread them around among the other tribes as rumors. You know, stuff like eating children and other nasty things. They did this, because if everybody's afraid of you, people are going to think twice about messing with you, even if you're small.

The Wraith will never be loved. So, the way to maximize their power and influence is to be feared as much as possible, preferably growing themselves into almost mythic figures of terror. Thus, they seem powerful, and so it seems best to stay out of their way than confront them. With that fear, comes a subconscious reasoning that there must be a good reason to be afraid, and so they end up being perceived as almost invincible. This keeps them off the defensive, because if they had that hunger but everyone thought they were pushovers, they'd be attacked in an attempt to get rid of the nuisance.

Or, I could be thinking too much about it and they're just more fun if they enjoy being frightening. In fact, that's probably the case.

yet another poll missing the "who gives a fuck" option. i hope you realise these kind of polls with the limited options get borked by those of us who like polls but couldn't give a shit about the outcome.

Then why bother with opening the thread at all?

yet another poll missing the "who gives a fuck" option. i hope you realise these kind of polls with the limited options get borked by those of us who like polls but couldn't give a shit about the outcome.

if you dont give a shit dont bother looking or posting or voting on the poll because its not worth the very little time and effort to add such an option for the people who dont give a fuck

Then why bother with opening the thread at all?
if you dont give a shit dont bother looking or posting or voting on the poll because its not worth the very little time and effort to add such an option for the people who dont give a fuck
Because this is NSG, not an RP thread, so we feel free to post our opinions, even if you don't like them. Of course, you're also free to ignore us, in turn. I know I rarely return and repost in a thread in which there was no response to my initial post.

I hope this wasn't a public poll.
:eek:

Star Trek has been around for 40 yrs, Star Gate 10 ... ask again in 30 yrs :p

Because this is NSG, not an RP thread, so we feel free to post our opinions, even if you don't like them. Of course, you're also free to ignore us, in turn. I know I rarely return and repost in a thread in which there was no response to my initial post.

No, I have no problem with posting one's opinion. Just, it seems a little pointless to bother posting on a thread just to say that you don't give a rat's ass about the topic of the thread. And what's with the talking down to me?

Star Trek has been around for 40 yrs, Star Gate 10 ... ask again in 30 yrs :p

Aren't you the same guy who thinks of the Bible as fact? Surely, then, you should despise both Trek and Gate?

Aren't you the same guy who thinks of the Bible as fact? Surely, then, you should despise both Trek and Gate?


Why should I despise them? Do you think that christians are against everything non christian? I happen to love Sci Fi, and Star Trek & Star Gate are two of the best ever made. So do us both a favor and drop it!

Aren't you the same guy who thinks of the Bible as fact? Surely, then, you should despise both Trek and Gate?


How about you stop judging what I should be doing as a christian and leave it between me and the lord ... Ok?

No, I have no problem with posting one's opinion. Just, it seems a little pointless to bother posting on a thread just to say that you don't give a rat's ass about the topic of the thread. And what's with the talking down to me?

:confused: Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do . . .

"Basically" to godhood? Can they change the gravitational constant of the universe?

The Ori are religious zealots. The Q are bunch of jackasses. The Ori would win.

The Ori are religious zealots. The Q are bunch of jackasses. The Ori would win.


I have to disagree with that statement, I think the Q would win. I'd like to see the Ori try to force the Q to worship them. :p

I have to disagree with that statement, I think the Q would win. I'd like to see the Ori try to force the Q to worship them. :p

Q: omnipotent jackasses.
Ori: omnipotent jackasses with their own religious following.
Q: stay the hell out of the affairs of mortals, with a notable exception.
Ori: Destroy the unbelievers! All will bow down before Origin!

Also, hi NSG, first post lulz.

Q: omnipotent jackasses.
Ori: omnipotent jackasses with their own religious following.
Q: stay the hell out of the affairs of mortals, with a notable exception.
Ori: Destroy the unbelievers! All will bow down before Origin!

Also, hi NSG, first post lulz.


Actually I think the Ori better stay out of the Star Trek Universe because Q might not like them trying to subvert Picard and the Enterprise E. After all he's the only one allowed to aggravate them!

Eternal stalemate is no fun.

NOTE: this has nothing to do with characters, or the stories. Just plain simple conflict

Perhaps a better question to ask then the all to common SW vs ST is who would win Stargate or Star Trek?

I don’t pretend to know which two is greater…and its my general opinion that despite stats and such neither can be truly called greater because they are from different universes and thus cant truly even demonstrate superiority over another. But I ask anyway…because I like to see what people think
like a war?

both would lose. ST has the tech and the firepower to obliterate SGC. however, doing such a thing may cause a rip in space/time and destroys the ST world.

Stargate is more fun than Star Trek. Not to mention that Colonel O'Neill was one of the best characters ever created.

like a war?

both would lose. ST has the tech and the firepower to obliterate SGC. however, doing such a thing may cause a rip in space/time and destroys the ST world.


I don't think thats going to happen anyway, after all the SGC does live on and protect a Earth, just as the Federation does. They may not be the same Earth, but an Earth all the same.

like a war?

both would lose. ST has the tech and the firepower to obliterate SGC. however, doing such a thing may cause a rip in space/time and destroys the ST world.

SG has superweapons that ignore shielding and blow up entire fleets of hapless aliens.

Stargate is more fun than Star Trek. Not to mention that Colonel O'Neill was one of the best characters ever created.


I have always loved Richard Dean Anderson. He makes SG1 work as Colonel O'Neill, he is funny and lovable.

I don't think thats going to happen anyway, after all the SGC does live on and protect a Earth, just as the Federation does. They may not be the same Earth, but an Earth all the same. ah, but think about this. how many of those planets that Star trek visits has human and human-like beings living on them? They were placed there by the Goa'ud! after 4 or 5 centuries, of course they will evolve differently... ;)

SG has superweapons that ignore shielding and blow up entire fleets of hapless aliens. how do you know that their weapons can penetrate ST sheilding (which are variable.) infact, ST sheilding could be baised off of the SGC's notes and encounters with other races.

how do you know that their weapons can penetrate ST sheilding (which are variable.) infact, ST sheilding could be baised off of the SGC's notes and encounters with other races.
Of course, we know they aren't because: a) different universe, and b) in Trek, around the time of the SGC there was some kind of nuclear war going on.

ah, but think about this. how many of those planets that Star trek visits has human and human-like beings living on them? They were placed there by the Goa'ud! after 4 or 5 centuries, of course they will evolve differently... ;)


I thought the Ancients, not the Goa'ld placed the humans all over the galaxy in SG1.

Of course, we know they aren't because: a) different universe, and b) in Trek, around the time of the SGC there was some kind of nuclear war going on.


The Eugenics War I believe, which is when Khan and his supermen trys to take over Earth.

The Ori are religious zealots. The Q are bunch of jackasses. The Ori would win.

Religious Zealots = Jackasses.

And the Q have simply demonstrated a lot more power. They don't seem to have any actual limits on their power whatsoever. I think this whole "Ori are like gods" thing is just religious propaganda. Dress up like a god, get a bunch of religious followers and apparently you buy into the fact that maybe they ARE. Nonsense!

Of course, we know they aren't because: a) different universe, and b) in Trek, around the time of the SGC there was some kind of nuclear war going on.
that was 2053.

I thought the Ancients, not the Goa'ld placed the humans all over the galaxy in SG1.could be. but the Goa'ld did seed some of them.

I have always loved Richard Dean Anderson. He makes SG1 work as Colonel O'Neill, he is funny and lovable.

He is so awesome in that episode where he and Teal'c were stuck in that timeloop. Getting to go crazy knowing there'd be no consequences... :)

The Ancients are responsible for the seeds originally. The goa'ould then moved in and essentially started maintaining "flocks"

Both are essentially responsible for the spread of human life across the galaxy, just at different times and for different reasons.

I voted Star Trek...I like both shows, but I never independantly got into Stargate so I have to say my loyalties lie with ST. :)

that was 2053.

2026 actually. :P

Anyway, I was referring to the Eugenics Wars.

The Ancients are responsible for the seeds originally. The goa'ould then moved in and essentially started maintaining "flocks"

Both are essentially responsible for the spread of human life across the galaxy, just at different times and for different reasons.


I looked at the ST Timeline to see if a race was named for seeding the galaxy with human life. It doesn't name a certain race that is considered responsible.

( 4 billion years BC A humanoid race seeds DNA across the Alpha Quadrant on various planets including Qu'onos, Earth, Vulcan and Cardassia. ("The Chase"))


Link to the ST Timeline:

http://www.thewellers.com/startrek/enttm2.htm

That's one of the major draws to ST, it still allows for a sense of wonder and a hint of mysticism in the universe.

In Stargate, it's pretty clear that you're meant to think the only "gods" are the Ancients (and the Ori). In Star Trek, there's still a big question mark there, even with the Q's and other, uber-powerful beings abound.

That's one of the major draws to ST, it still allows for a sense of wonder and a hint of mysticism in the universe.

In Stargate, it's pretty clear that you're meant to think the only "gods" are the Ancients (and the Ori). In Star Trek, there's still a big question mark there, even with the Q's and other, uber-powerful beings abound.


There is also a being called the M isn't there. He had a run in with a Q and was imprisoned in the center of the universe. He may have been the being that Spocks brother thought was god.

2026 actually. :P

Anyway, I was referring to the Eugenics Wars.

Didn't that happen during the 'Enterprise' series? I Thought I saw some episodes alluding to that as it was happening then... :confused:

and wasn't 2026 the "Bell Rebellion" or something else and not the war?

Didn't that happen during the 'Enterprise' series? I Thought I saw some episodes alluding to that as it was happening then... :confused:

and wasn't 2026 the "Bell Rebellion" or something else and not the war?

Wrong and correct:p

The Eugenic war ended around 1998.

I have always loved Richard Dean Anderson. He makes SG1 work as Colonel O'Neill, he is funny and lovable.

Shame he seemed to get bored with the character. I miss Jack, episodes he's in are the better ones I think.


Well, other than Hathor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor_%28Stargate_SG-1%29). So bad the producers consider it non-canon.

There is also a being called the M isn't there. He had a run in with a Q and was imprisoned in the center of the universe. He may have been the being that Spocks brother thought was god.

Unsure, maybe. If there was, I didn't see that episode (and I've missed more than a few).

Unsure, maybe. If there was, I didn't see that episode (and I've missed more than a few).


M may not be a canon character because I read about him in a paper back book. But he seems similiar to the god like being of Star Trek the Undiscovered Country.

Actually I think the Ori better stay out of the Star Trek Universe because Q might not like them trying to subvert Picard and the Enterprise E. After all he's the only one allowed to aggravate them!

The Q as a whole have a "stay out of mortal affairs" outlook much similar to the Ancients.

DeLancie's Q is one of the few if not sole meddler in the Trek universe. He'd be the closest thing to the Ori there, taking direct interest and involvement in mortal lives. Especially that of Captain Picard.

The Ori could possibly alter the physical realities of existence just as much as the Q. The only reason they primarily use Ancient-grade technology and Priors (evolution-accelerated followers with immense physical and psionic powers) is to get around a loophole of "No Direct Intervention" that it seems the Ancients had set up. As long as the Ori do whatever they want keeping to means that are possible, much less available to mortal beings then the Ancients don't jump in.

If for fanboydom sake there was an invasion, only the one Q would do anything to intervene. And he'd be sorely outnumbered at the onset.

Stargate SG-1...as it doesn't take itself quite as seriously as Star Trek does.

Stargate SG-1...as it doesn't take itself quite as seriously as Star Trek does.

Also, actors from Star Trek have appeared on Stargate. No actor from Stargate has appeared on Star Trek.

Stargate wins.

:D

Also, actors from Star Trek have appeared on Stargate. No actor from Stargate has appeared on Star Trek.

Stargate wins.

:D

Troof!

The Q as a whole have a "stay out of mortal affairs" outlook much similar to the Ancients.

DeLancie's Q is one of the few if not sole meddler in the Trek universe. He'd be the closest thing to the Ori there, taking direct interest and involvement in mortal lives. Especially that of Captain Picard.

The Ori could possibly alter the physical realities of existence just as much as the Q. The only reason they primarily use Ancient-grade technology and Priors (evolution-accelerated followers with immense physical and psionic powers) is to get around a loophole of "No Direct Intervention" that it seems the Ancients had set up. As long as the Ori do whatever they want keeping to means that are possible, much less available to mortal beings then the Ancients don't jump in.

If for fanboydom sake there was an invasion, only the one Q would do anything to intervene. And he'd be sorely outnumbered at the onset.

One surprise attack on the Ori of the past would work fine for Q, they would be totally defenseless because they haven't accended yet and would have no followers -ie- no power.

Result game over .... Q wins!

The Eugenic war ended around 1998.hmm... must've slept thought it... who won? :p

One surprise attack on the Ori of the past would work fine for Q, they would be totally defenseless because they haven't accended yet and would have no followers -ie- no power.

Result game over .... Q wins!

Which would be counted as illegal direct intervention by the other Q and they'd stop it by any means necessary.

Technical Foul on a cosmic scale.

hmm... must've slept thought it... who won? :p


Accually Khan's bid for the domination of Earth ended then, but because he and his supermen escaped into space. It was continued in the 23 rd century with Kirk's Enterprise. So really the Eugenics War could be construed to have continued into the 23 rd century.

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Stargate at least tries to be somewhat realistic. In Star Trek, all problems can be solved with the deflector dish.

That's not true!!!. It takes a young geek genius to figure out how to configure the deflector dish to enable it to solve the problem.

That's not true!!!. It takes a young geek genius to figure out how to configure the deflector dish to enable it to solve the problem.


That is true, in order for the deflector dish to work, it has to be on a ship that is the penticle of the show. So far only voyager, all of the enterprises, and on ocasion DS9 have used the deflector of all problems technology. The rest of the federation and the other aliens blow up. :) besides Stargate would win for one simple reason, when the shields in stargate hit space dust they do not short out 50 panels and kill half the crew :)

Afterthought: How many times has the enterprise blown up then come back?

That is true, in order for the deflector dish to work, it has to be on a ship that is the penticle of the show. So far only voyager, all of the enterprises, and on ocasion DS9 have used the deflector of all problems technology. The rest of the federation and the other aliens blow up. :) besides Stargate would win for one simple reason, when the shields in stargate hit space dust they do not short out 50 panels and kill half the crew :)

Afterthought: How many times has the enterprise blown up then come back?

You know, if I wanted to destroy the Federation I would order all my fleet units to aim for the deflector dish first.

that is true, in First contact, It was said to have some metal in it that was highly explosive. And worf's phaser rifle caused a huge explosion when it blew up the deflector dish, with only one shot. What genious put a highly explosive piece of machinery in the front of the ship, I will never figure out :)

"Basically" to godhood? Can they change the gravitational constant of the universe?

Do they have a three book series about their main character?

Ah. I see. Yeah, the Ancients would essentially make most of the Star Trek universe their bitches.

Except, maybe the Q, but then, wouldn't the Ancients and the Q be comparable in their abilities and powers?

"Basically" to godhood? Can they change the gravitational constant of the universe?

Do they have a three book series about their main character?

Q does.

Except, maybe the Q, but then, wouldn't the Ancients and the Q be comparable in their abilities and powers?

They also share the "Let the mortals make it on their own" attitude. In addition, neither would see any reason to bother with invading the other's yard.

I'm gonna say stargate considering I just finished watching every SG1, as well as every Atlantis thus far in line with SG1. It's the end of an era - 274 episodes or 191 hours and 48 minutes of my life.

Christ, I need to get out more :(

how long would a Replicator-Borg conflict go on for?


Now that would be something interesting to see.

The Borg assimilate the replicators, but the replicators dissemble Borg ships to produce more replicators. Eeww, what an ugly conflict.

Now that would be something interesting to see.

The Borg assimilate the replicators, but the replicators dissemble Borg ships to produce more replicators. Eeww, what an ugly conflict.

How could they assimilate the replicators?

Now that would be something interesting to see.

The Borg assimilate the replicators, but the replicators dissemble Borg ships to produce more replicators. Eeww, what an ugly conflict.

The Borg have only assimilated organic life. The Replicators would strip the Borg of all their nonorganic components and leave the meatbags to wither and die.

There is also a being called the M isn't there. He had a run in with a Q and was imprisoned in the center of the universe. He may have been the being that Spocks brother thought was god.

The One. He whose light helps others see Him.

Which would be counted as illegal direct intervention by the other Q and they'd stop it by any means necessary.

Technical Foul on a cosmic scale.

Not if the existence of the Q is at stake.


Let me just say this: Whilst the main stargate guy (O'Neil: Anderson) was in Fallout and the star trek Klingon (Worf: Dorn) was in Fallout 2 there was only a star trek person in Planescape: Torment (De Lancie: Q).

Star trek wins. Also have to count the last two seasons of stargate rellying on fighting godlike beings (the Ori, bleh).

Also we need to figure out, are these the Borg from The next generation (one cube could take out most of the federation) or from voyager (the entire borg fleet could not take out one tiny frigate)

Either way though, I would have to agree that the borg have yet to show they can assimilate non living microscopic robots.

Not if the existence of the Q is at stake.


Let me just say this: Whilst the main stargate guy (O'Neil: Anderson) was in Fallout and the star trek Klingon (Worf: Dorn) was in Fallout 2 there was only a star trek person in Planescape: Torment (De Lancie: Q).

Star trek wins. Also have to count the last two seasons of stargate rellying on fighting godlike beings (the Ori, bleh).

Yes but if the q do intervine then the Ancients and the Ori would involve themselves directly. Also the Q were once organic beings as well, so the ancients could go back in time to when the Q were human like and do the same thing. Either way if you include the Q vs ancient/ori debate it will only end in bye bye universe.

The Borg have only assimilated organic life. The Replicators would strip the Borg of all their nonorganic components and leave the meatbags to wither and die.

Too bad we don't have a star trek-stargate-starwars (KotOR era) matchup. HK 47 would beat the other side easily.

not believing you.

Hubby also grew up on Trek and is older than you

*asks hubby*

Hubby says
"who specifically from Stargate?, because in general the humans in Stargate are soldiers from our current time, while Star Trek humans are from the future, so they would be better at fighting someone from the past than someone from the past is at fighting someone from the future.......and why are you asking? go to bed."

I think he agrees with me (whether or not he makes sense, I just woke him up to ask him)

Here you have a good point. Stargate is using machine guns, and Zats, while Star Trek'a main personnel weapon is a phaser. The phaser will beat the machine gun time and time again.

The question then becomes what technolgoy in Stargate, remember there is the Alterian, Asgard, Nox, and countless others can compete or defeat Star Fleet?

Here you have a good point. Stargate is using machine guns, and Zats, while Star Trek'a main personnel weapon is a phaser. The phaser will beat the machine gun time and time again.

The question then becomes what technolgoy in Stargate, remember there is the Alterian, Asgard, Nox, and countless others can compete or defeat Star Fleet?

I believe Darth Wong has critiqued phasers time and again in the Trek v Wars debate, and the criticisms hold for this: the phaser is useless. Basically a pistol... Without the iron sight, or any other appreciable method of aiming other than 'kind of point it in that direction'. Even the phaser rifles don't have sighting.

Wave after wave of redshirts would be lost.

So what? Their expendable. That is why you always include one or a dozen on Away Missions.

wtfhax, I can't read page 13.

EDIT: now I can.

Redshirts are vat-grown in vast quantities.

I'm gonna say stargate considering I just finished watching every SG1, as well as every Atlantis thus far in line with SG1. It's the end of an era - 274 episodes or 191 hours and 48 minutes of my life.

Christ, I need to get out more :(

Am I alone in really not caring much for Atlantis? I like the characters but their ethics are really twisted.

Replicators. The Ascended. The Ori.


You can't count the Ori and the Ascended Ancients separately in this case, as they are essentially the same. Granted they encompass separate planes of existence. One is from the higer plane, the other the lower plane, however, they are "technically" both ascended beings.

In a sense though, the Q could be considered ascended being also with their own plane of existence as well. The Q Continuum.

Redshirts are vat-grown in vast quantities.

Every captain worth his salt will purchase a couple of redshirts for exploration purposes. Unfortunately some suppliers of redshirts are not picky where they find them and take to kidnapping them of backwater planets.

Plus, Stargate has Daniel Jackson. *swoon* :D

My wife says the same thing.

How could they assimilate the replicators?

The same way they use nanites to manipulate the materials of the vessels.

After all, a replicator is only a component of the materials that were used to produce it, so if a Borg cant assimilate being ans technology into their mind, then they could do the same thing with a simple metallic creature like a replicator.

My wife says the same thing.

With good reason. He was always kinda cute, but after about season five he went full blown hottie.

The Borg have only assimilated organic life. The Replicators would strip the Borg of all their nonorganic components and leave the meatbags to wither and die.

As far as we have seen they only assimilate organic life, but through all we have seen they have advanced tremendously by assimilating technology and now organic life into their hive. Therefore one could easily assume that they would have the potential to assimilate a metallic entity like a replicator. As such they would care nothing for the replicators themselves, but image the value of the technology that the replicators store. That in itself would give the Borg reason to assimilate the Replicators.

And once a single replicator was assimilated, they would have access to the replicators collective consciousness, of course the Replicators would share in their as well, and that would create a standstill.

Also we need to figure out, are these the Borg from The next generation (one cube could take out most of the federation) or from voyager (the entire borg fleet could not take out one tiny frigate)

Either way though, I would have to agree that the borg have yet to show they can assimilate non living microscopic robots.

the borg use microscopic robots (nanites) to manipulate their ships (metal) and assimilate other beings. That in itself is enough to make such an assumption that they could assimilate non living materials and even robots.

As far as we have seen they only assimilate organic life, but through all we have seen they have advanced tremendously by assimilating technology and now organic life into their hive. Therefore one could easily assume that they would have the potential to assimilate a metallic entity like a replicator. As such they would care nothing for the replicators themselves, but image the value of the technology that the replicators store. That in itself would give the Borg reason to assimilate the Replicators.

And once a single replicator was assimilated, they would have access to the replicators collective consciousness, of course the Replicators would share in their as well, and that would create a standstill.

Before they assimilated Picard all indications were that they were primarily interested in technology over individuals. Even being shown to grown their own drones.

My wife says the same thing.

and so do I...



Well, for Amanda Tapping and Claudia Black!

and so do I...



Well, for Amanda Tapping and Claudia Black!

Oh jeez, I just got a horrible lesbian sex scene image.

Bleh! Mental bleach.


Ben Browder and Michael Shanks.

Which would be counted as illegal direct intervention by the other Q and they'd stop it by any means necessary.

Technical Foul on a cosmic scale.

Your reaching, not if the Q are threatened as well! :rolleyes:

Here you have a good point. Stargate is using machine guns, and Zats, while Star Trek'a main personnel weapon is a phaser. The phaser will beat the machine gun time and time again.

The question then becomes what technolgoy in Stargate, remember there is the Alterian, Asgard, Nox, and countless others can compete or defeat Star Fleet?


Why would they try when Star Fleet is fighting against the Ori?

i see that i made a slight mistake in not "canceling the involvment of Q and the Ascended"

i'm gona put that in effect now so as to focus more on the tech and generally more interesting aspects rather then "god vs god"

Why would they try when Star Fleet is fighting against the Ori?

I should also note that i have yet to see a Phaser used for any true long range engagments...though SG teams dont get into that to much...

i would personaly say the only things Phasers can do better are 1. not run out of ammo, and 2. disintegrate a target

EDIT: thats in relation to the quote you quoted

The various superweapons like the Dakara device, and the Terre Alantus drone weapon would make mincemeat of Trekkers, and weapons like Horizon and single Gatebusters would seriously hurt even the Borg.

The various superweapons like the Dakara device, and the Terre Alantus drone weapon would make mincemeat of Trekkers, and weapons like Horizon and single Gatebusters would seriously hurt even the Borg.

Nothing ever adapts to an Event Horizon backwash. Ever.

Nothing ever adapts to an Event Horizon backwash. Ever.

KAWOOSH!

I love that.

The various superweapons like the Dakara device, and the Terre Alantus drone weapon would make mincemeat of Trekkers, and weapons like Horizon and single Gatebusters would seriously hurt even the Borg.


I'm not familiar with these weapons do you have a link for them which would describe there abilities?

I'm not familiar with these weapons do you have a link for them which would describe there abilities?

Dakara Superweapon: An Ancient device that was capable of literally rearranging things at a molecular level, either rewriting or outright erasing them. Anubis tried to gain control to exterminate all life in the universe and remake it in his own image, and later on the device was used in conjunction with the entire Stargate network to shut down the Replicator horde.

Drone: Another weapon of the Ancients, these are cephalopodal aerospace torpedoes with substantial power. The Drones are guided by an operator sitting in a command throne who can command anywhere from a single Drone up to a swarm. They are also standard weaponry for the Ancient Puddlejumper vessels, albeit in smaller quantities.

Event Horizon: The spectacular discharge from an activated Stargate. It's an unstable wormhole, and while not a weapon per se the Event Horizon will wipe out anything that comes in contact with it, with the exception of Stargate barriers less than 3 microns from the actual wormhole.

Gatebuster: A nuclear device augmented with naqu'dah (A quartz that can absorb or magnify energy, and the primary contruction material of Stargates) that can generate an explosion that can actually destroy a Gate.

Dakara Superweapon: An Ancient device that was capable of literally rearranging things at a molecular level, either rewriting or outright erasing them. Anubis tried to gain control to exterminate all life in the universe and remake it in his own image, and later on the device was used in conjunction with the entire Stargate network to shut down the Replicator horde.

Sounds very close to a godmod weapon to me

Drone: Another weapon of the Ancients, these are cephalopodal aerospace torpedoes with substantial power. The Drones are guided by an operator sitting in a command throne who can command anywhere from a single Drone up to a swarm. They are also standard weaponry for the Ancient Puddlejumper vessels, albeit in smaller quantities.

Oh yes I remember it now, it's the weapon used to attack the SGC helicopter ... right?

Event Horizon: The spectacular discharge from an activated Stargate. It's an unstable wormhole, and while not a weapon per se the Event Horizon will wipe out anything that comes in contact with it, with the exception of Stargate barriers less than 3 microns from the actual wormhole.

OK

Gatebuster: A nuclear device augmented with naqu'dah (A quartz that can absorb or magnify energy, and the primary contruction material of Stargates) that can generate an explosion that can actually destroy a Gate.


Maybe I should obtain some naqu'dah and use it to upgrade photon torpedoes.

Maybe I should obtain some naqu'dah and use it to upgrade photon torpedoes.

The federation would have to make nice with the Asgard to learn how to do it, and usually the Asgard do not allow weapon technology into anyone's hands not even their allies, but that would be a vicious weapon.

And yes in Rping, a lot of Stargate tech can be considered godmodding.

Sorry but I have to go to work now, can we pick this discussion up later?

Event Horizon: The spectacular discharge from an activated Stargate. It's an unstable wormhole, and while not a weapon per se the Event Horizon will wipe out anything that comes in contact with it, with the exception of Stargate barriers less than 3 microns from the actual wormhole.

Uh, no, that's not the Event Horizon, that's the unstable vortex(and anyone I catch calling it the kawoosh will die. I hate that term. It should never have been used. It is an unstable vortex.) The event horizon is the beginning of the wormhole itself, where you step through. Check your physics, Gauthier.

Oh, and by the way? I'm a supernerd, but even this discussion is beginning to make me sick. Quit with the fan wanking, all of you, Trekkies, Warsies, and Gaters alike.

Sounds very close to a godmod weapon to me

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I hear from a reliable source that the Replicators are of much the same opinion.

As for the actual question - Stargate > Star Trek, as it has the better time loop episode. Window of Opportunity >>> Cause and Effect.

I could also make some nerdy arguments involving Federation, Borg, and SG tech... but I don't feel like it.

Here you have a good point. Stargate is using machine guns, and Zats, while Star Trek'a main personnel weapon is a phaser. The phaser will beat the machine gun time and time again.

The phaser has shown to be mostly useless in the hands of those who hold it, considering their abysmal accuracy.

Also, redshirts never wear armor, never use grenades, and seem to think that standing in the open is better than hiding behind the wall with only the gun exposed in combat.

The unstable vortex of a forming wormhole (otherwise known as the Kawoosh) is hardly a weapon, on a regular stargate I can't see it ever being used as an effective weapon due to it only being about 10 metres high. The Kawoosh from the Supergate has only ever been used as a weapon once to destroy an Ori ship, and it was done in a rather ad hoc opportunistic way, an opportunity that probably won't ever come up again.

STar Trek Just only after they brought Kirk back form the past to correct the balls up that picard did of the job

That's not a weapon..........
Tell that to the fag ball cock suckers from the Ori.

Stargate is more fun than Star Trek. Not to mention that Colonel O'Neill was one of the best characters ever created.
Quoted for mighty truth
He is so awesome in that episode where he and Teal'c were stuck in that timeloop. Getting to go crazy knowing there'd be no consequences... :)
The bit where they were golfing through the stargate was hilarious.
You know, if I wanted to destroy the Federation I would order all my fleet units to aim for the deflector dish first.
They'd be crippled. Without the deflector dish they're basically fucked.
Here you have a good point. Stargate is using machine guns, and Zats, while Star Trek'a main personnel weapon is a phaser. The phaser will beat the machine gun time and time again.
The thing is, the red shirts couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. The phaser might beat out the P90, but the SG teams could stone the red shirts to death before one of them even got their hair singed by a phaser blast.

The question then becomes what technolgoy in Stargate, remember there is the Alterian, Asgard, Nox, and countless others can compete or defeat Star Fleet?
Earth has all of the asgard technology as of the end of season 10 and the Nox could just make everyone's weapons invisible. And there's the Tolan's big ion cannons.
Tell that to the fag ball cock suckers from the Ori.

True.

Kawoosh

No! No! Do not call it that! That term is stupid! It is an unstable vortex, not a kawoosh, or a sideways flush, or any other stupid term fans come up with that somehow make their way into the show because the show writers like to give a nod to the fans on the wrong subject sometimes. It is an unstable vortex, period! Grah!

Sorry...that just bugs the hell out of me.

Am I alone in really not caring much for Atlantis? I like the characters but their ethics are really twisted.

I think it has to do with the fact that Atlantis comes off as being more fantasy than most sci-fi is.

The bit where they were golfing through the stargate was hilarious.
It is one of my favourite episodes.
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Anyways Stargate is supperior to Star Trek.
But that's already been said and there have been plenty of reasons why.
Sadly i haven't seen Stargate Atlantis because the first episode coincided with Chris Cairns last ever Cricket match for New Zealand, so i watched that and couldn't tape it, but another problem is that a different tv station picked it up and broadcasts it to the one that has Stargate and there was a massive discrepency between Season 8 of SG1 being aired and Season 7 and a gap between SG1 Season 8 and Season 1 of Atlantis, plus they coincided a bit and some things didn't make sense for me because of intershowcross overs now that season 2 of Atlantis has been on more things confuse me.

Worst moments on SG1
Timetravel was a bit lame.
When there was that interPod racing crap somewhere in season 7.
Replicators dieing so 'easily'.
Fall of the Goa'ld, that could have been dragged on for a season with some actual battles.
Apophis, i loved that guy...
Could have had some more exploring.
But seriously some actual battles would have been awesome.

Anyways...
Stargate>Star Trekx3

It was fantastic how Apophis just kept coming back from the dead, over and over.

It was fantastic how Apophis just kept coming back from the dead, over and over.
Shame how he died, but it was some sort of Poetic justice, i just wish there could have been one Epic battle like the season 7 Finale, they could have been sending Tanks through the gate, it would have been grand.

Shame how he died, but it was some sort of Poetic justice, i just wish there could have been one Epic battle like the season 7 Finale, they could have been sending Tanks through the gate, it would have been grand.

They really could have gone on having epic battles with the goa'uld for aaaaaages.

And those invisible bastards.....eh....the Retu I think. They should have featured more. They rocked.

They really could have gone on having epic battles with the goa'uld for aaaaaages.

And those invisible bastards.....eh....the Retu I think. They should have featured more. They rocked.
Baal is such a bitch compared to the might of Apophis or Anubis or that tribal guy.
I always suspected they didn't want to advertise it as a 'war'y type of show but it wouldn't have hurt.
I can't remember them, i remember the Nox...

Baal is such a bitch compared to the might of Apophis or Anubis or that tribal guy.
I always suspected they didn't want to advertise it as a 'war'y type of show but it wouldn't have hurt.
I can't remember them, i remember the Nox...

Yeah, Baal was a bitch. And there was dozens of him, that was strange.

Yeah, Baal was a bitch. And there was dozens of him, that was strange.
And Anubis' super warriors weren't that super in the end.

And Anubis' super warriors weren't that super in the end.

Well nobody can really be super when there's a gun that can kill you in one hit. That kinda makes you suck.

God characters:
Well the Q would beat all the ascended beings from Star Gate. Ascended beings might have god-like powers, but for all intents and purposes the Q are gods. There are several references throughout ST to the Q throwing star around, cleansing atmospheres of X property, taking picards back to earth several billions years ago, showing alternate time lines, creating people/objects out of nothing, etc...

SG: The doomsday weapons, dakara superweapon have a limited range of attack. although the wormholes extend the range, they are indiscriminate weapons. And the atlantean planet defence is very effective but limited by range as well.
And regarding the beefed up nukes, SG has shown the willingness to use them. Even to the point of nuking chulak in an alternative time line episode. So ends have been known to justify means..

ST: you have biogenic weapons, star destroying missiles and so on. But the federation are too nice to use them.

hand held weapons. By mid DS9 the phaser rifles and such had proper sights with x50 magnification, stabilisers, etc... So accuracy and distance shots. and this is a standard weapon.
Even the standard pistol has shown extreme destructive power, in an ST episode Data destroys an entire aqueduct system with on shot.

SG: several nations of the earth working covertly. limited troops, resources, etc...
ST: dozen to hundred worlds working together. millions of personnel, huges resource base.

Leaing out SG acquiring asgaard tech, have seen the last season yet:( , ST has the advantage.

But there are 2 reasons why SG wins.
1. if say the federation destroyed the SG projects say with a wave of photon torpedoes, then the past would be changed. Federation does not exist.
2. the federation as pansies. they'd rather get buggered by the klingon empire than break the P. directive. the ends never justify the means

How about non godlike star trek and stargate universes vs the Lexx universe?

How about non godlike star trek and stargate universes vs the Lexx universe?


I am unfamiliar in the extreme concerning the Lexx Universe.

God characters:
Well the Q would beat all the ascended beings from Star Gate. Ascended beings might have god-like powers, but for all intents and purposes the Q are gods. There are several references throughout ST to the Q throwing star around, cleansing atmospheres of X property, taking picards back to earth several billions years ago, showing alternate time lines, creating people/objects out of nothing, etc...

SG: The doomsday weapons, dakara superweapon have a limited range of attack. although the wormholes extend the range, they are indiscriminate weapons. And the atlantean planet defence is very effective but limited by range as well.
And regarding the beefed up nukes, SG has shown the willingness to use them. Even to the point of nuking chulak in an alternative time line episode. So ends have been known to justify means..

ST: you have biogenic weapons, star destroying missiles and so on. But the federation are too nice to use them.

hand held weapons. By mid DS9 the phaser rifles and such had proper sights with x50 magnification, stabilisers, etc... So accuracy and distance shots. and this is a standard weapon.
Even the standard pistol has shown extreme destructive power, in an ST episode Data destroys an entire aqueduct system with on shot.

SG: several nations of the earth working covertly. limited troops, resources, etc...
ST: dozen to hundred worlds working together. millions of personnel, huges resource base.

Leaing out SG acquiring asgaard tech, have seen the last season yet:( , ST has the advantage.

But there are 2 reasons why SG wins.
1. if say the federation destroyed the SG projects say with a wave of photon torpedoes, then the past would be changed. Federation does not exist.
2. the federation as pansies. they'd rather get buggered by the klingon empire than break the P. directive. the ends never justify the means

Most on the Federation is to nice to use them, but there are a few rogue elements that might.

But there are 2 reasons why SG wins.
1. if say the federation destroyed the SG projects say with a wave of photon torpedoes, then the past would be changed. Federation does not exist.Except for the minor detail that ST and SG do not come from the same universe/timeline;)

Most on the Federation is to nice to use them, but there are a few rogue elements that might.

mmmm... maybe.
but i don't really thinks so.
The 2 rogue groups i can think of are the in DS9. the military personal that try and take over the federation & the spy group, section 12 or something like that.
The military turned out to be nothing more than misguided souls....
and the spy group well the worst thing they tried to do was wipe out the changelings. And in theory each one was part of the government.
If they done the same thing to SG it would cost billions of innocent lifes. I just don't see it happening

Except for the minor detail that ST and SG do not come from the same universe/timeline;)

well i know.

But if we're talking about the 2 being in conflict, they would need to be a common timeline or universe in theory.

ST: you have biogenic weapons, star destroying missiles and so on. But the federation are too nice to use them.


Should point out that in the Stargate Universe they're quite capable of blowing up stars. Carter did it once, it was referenced a dozen or so times afterward.

"That's gotta look pretty good on the old resume`"

well i know.

But if we're talking about the 2 being in conflict, they would need to be a common timeline or universe in theory.
No they don't.

Otherwise ST would know they descended from SG and thus wouldn't even fight them.

Should point out that in the Stargate Universe they're quite capable of blowing up stars. Carter did it once, it was referenced a dozen or so times afterward.

"That's gotta look pretty good on the old resume`"

true. But if i remember correctly its always been with the use of stargates?
If that is true, they only have a limited supply anyway, and it seems self-defeating to use your main mode of transportation as a one-shot bomb.

No they don't.

Otherwise ST would know they descended from SG and thus wouldn't even fight them.

More than likely. But since the SG project is classified and we are talking about a hypothetical situation it could be argued that SG site is in the future classified or destroyed prior to the public finding out. Then there are all the human infest worlds. A virus that destroyed the ancients could be released through the stargates and wipe them out. who knows.

But either way we are talking about 2 groups from different times & universes coming together to do battle.

Another point, the in ST human history has been re-written on several occasions either through character interaction with the past. Example: Nazies invading the US during world war 2, or the eugenic wars, etc...
So for the sake of this thread I don't see it being too extreme my point as too much of an extreme..

mmmm... maybe.
but i don't really thinks so.
The 2 rogue groups i can think of are the in DS9. the military personal that try and take over the federation & the spy group, section 12 or something like that.
The military turned out to be nothing more than misguided souls....
and the spy group well the worst thing they tried to do was wipe out the changelings. And in theory each one was part of the government.
If they done the same thing to SG it would cost billions of innocent lifes. I just don't see it happening

Yes Section 31 is who I had in mind, misguided souls that just might think it's a good idea to except the Ori. The other group I was thinking of was the Maquis.