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Honestly, all the hype about it being so good and all this and that, is a pile of BS. I mean, Peter throws a grenade at harry's face, and all he gets is a little scar, but he throws it at brock/venom, and they evaporate in mid air. Gah, and the bit when peter is over taken by venom, well its stupid. He has an emo hair style, and acts like a total dumb ass. Not too mention its really pussified at the end, when harry dies in MJ and Peter's arms, and then Peter lets the sand man disappear into the sunset. WTF? Do not waste your time nor money on this movie.


My score: 6/10

I know. I read IGN's review and 1-UP's James Mielke's blog.

It doesn't surprise me. The first film was OK, the second was pretty ordinary. I expected the third one to be pretty poor.

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*complaints*
The first two movies were good? From what I could see they were simply Rifftrax worthy.

I think y'all expect too much from Hollywood.

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2.5?

I live in one of the 'cheapest' cities to live on earth. So yeah, an ordinary movie ticket costs roughly US$2.5 to $3.

I'm going on Tuesday, it will kick ass.

Yes, it will.

well, it's a part 3. What do you expect?

http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/spinne.gifI'm going to see it tomorrow.
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And I won't have to pay a single cent because I'm invited.
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Sp-sp-spiderman is g-gay?

Oh, and to the OP... if a 6/10 film isn't worth seeing then what does that make a 1/10 film worth - a columbine-esque stakeout of your nearest cinema that is showing the film?

Also, is Kirsten Dunst's hair really red?

I thought it was pretty good. Symbiote Spiderman was awesome :D

Honestly, all the hype about it being so good and all this and that, is a pile of BS. I mean, Peter throws a grenade at harry's face, and all he gets is a little scar, but he throws it at brock/venom, and they evaporate in mid air. Gah, and the bit when peter is over taken by venom, well its stupid. He has an emo hair style, and acts like a total dumb ass. Not too mention its really pussified at the end, when harry dies in MJ and Peter's arms, and then Peter lets the sand man disappear into the sunset. WTF? Do not waste your time nor money on this movie.


My score: 6/10

Blasphemy!!!

Honestly, all the hype about it being so good and all this and that, is a pile of BS.
I didn't hear any hype... but I was looking forward to it.
I mean, Peter throws a grenade at harry's face, and all he gets is a little scar,
He throws a grenade at the wall behind a genetically enhanced superhuman, and ends up badly scaring him and blinding him in one eye.
but he throws it at brock/venom, and they evaporate in mid air.
He throws it INSIDE a weakened alien parasite that amplifies the characteristics of it's host and they burn away to nothing.
Gah, and the bit when peter is over taken by venom, well its stupid. He has an emo hair style, and acts like a total dumb ass.
Emos are evil aliens. Enough said.
Not too mention its really pussified at the end, when harry dies in MJ and Peter's arms,
Best friend dying in front of you? Pussified? Pussified would be the New Goblin and Spider Man Justice League.
and then Peter lets the sand man disappear into the sunset.
Yeah that sucked. But then again... YOU CAN'T ****ING KILL THE SANDMAN!

"I don't want to fight!"
"I've learned vengance gets me no-where, my friend is dying and I can't defeat you!"
"I guess the logical thing for us to do is keep fighting each other then!"
"Guess so, because us walking away from this fight will cause people to say the movie was pussified!"
WTF? Do not waste your time nor money on this movie.
My score: 6/10
Personally, I think it was the best of the Spiderman movies. Then again... I didn't really like the Spiderman movies.

My score: 7/10. (1 being terrible, 5 being average, 10 being rocking).

Also, is Kirsten Dunst's hair really red?
Sadly, no.
Blasphemy!!!
QFT.

Besides, I'm already waiting for number 4.

It’s not out here yet, I think, but I’m already disappointed by the look of Venom.

Where’s the tongue?


There’s just no pleasing the fanboys/girls.

It’s not out here yet, I think, but I’m already disappointed by the look of Venom.

Where’s the tongue?


There’s just no pleasing the fanboys/girls.
From what I remember from the trailers, Venom did have the tongue.:confused:

The joke, which Macguire gets and plays to perfection, is that Peter Parker is incapable of really being evil because he’s such a nerd. It’s an expansion on a theme briefly looked at in Superman III, when Superman becomes “evil.” The thing, Superman can’t really be evil, because he’s so god damned lame. He just doesn’t know how to be cruel. All he can think of is to fly around melting people’s tires and straightening the Leaning Tower of Pisa. He’s trying to be evil, but he’s really just being a dick.

Macguire gets the joke, and runs with it like a champ. Evil Peter Parker’s Scarface-esque strut through New York is nothing short of inspired. He runs around with an emo haircut, leering at women, doing the finger-shooting thing no less than a hundred times; the sort of shit that only an unredeemable nerd would think is cool. Even when he’s trying to torture Kirsten Dunst, now his ex, instead of screwing Ron Howard’s daughter in Dunst’s bed, he breaks into a mini-production of Chicago. Fucking hilarious.

From what I remember from the trailers, Venom did have the tongue.:confused:
Really?

Maybe he did, but to me, it just looked like they’d painted Spidey’s suit black, rather than a huge muscley alien parasite.

Really?

Maybe he did, but to me, it just looked like they’d painted Spidey’s suit black, rather than a huge muscley alien parasite.I shall see it on Tuesday:p

It’s not out here yet, I think, but I’m already disappointed by the look of Venom.

Where’s the tongue?

How can you tell that Venom has no tongue they only show him clearly for about 3 seconds in the trailer

Really?

Maybe he did, but to me, it just looked like they’d painted Spidey’s suit black, rather than a huge muscley alien parasite.

erm....When the symbiot was bound with parker, it DID look like a black spider suit. Scenes you saw with the black spiderman suit is parker with the symbiot, not brock.

Honestly, all the hype about it being so good and all this and that, is a pile of BS. I mean, Peter throws a grenade at harry's face, and all he gets is a little scar, but he throws it at brock/venom, and they evaporate in mid air. Gah, and the bit when peter is over taken by venom, well its stupid. He has an emo hair style, and acts like a total dumb ass. Not too mention its really pussified at the end, when harry dies in MJ and Peter's arms, and then Peter lets the sand man disappear into the sunset. WTF? Do not waste your time nor money on this movie.


My score: 6/10

The hell are you trying to say? Spidey 3 is the best out of the bunch. The action, the story, the characters, all are best done in this film. And if you are complaining about realism, you should keep in mind this is based on a comic so reality isn't exactly present now is it? It sounds to me that you should watch those shoot-em-up movies where the characters show zero of that pesky thing known as emotion. Clearly even this film was too deep for you (and that is really saying something). The MJ part of the film is essential to the spiderman series if you want it to continue in loosely following the comic. And if you watched the previous two films, you would know that just because they ended up hugging at the end of 3, doesn't mean anything for them in part 4. Stop whining and enjoy. I certainly did as it was definately the best so far.

Oh, and given you reveal the ending of the film, you should say there ARE spoilers not just POSSIBLE ones.

I just want to know one thing. Does Venom refer to itself as "We"? Because honestly, if it doesn't, I don't want to see this movie.

I just want to know one thing. Does Venom refer to itself as "We"? Because honestly, if it doesn't, I don't want to see this movie.

Hard to remember a detail like that. I recall the eyes, the sharp teeth, the tongue and the hissing. That stood out a bit more. :cool:

Hard to remember a detail like that. I recall the eyes, the sharp teeth, the tongue and the hissing. That stood out a bit more. :cool:

It was an important aspect of Venom's character, one that separated it greatly from Carnage. While Venom referred to itself as We, as a result of both the Venom symbiote and Eddy Brock being merged into a single consciousness, the Carnage symbiote subsumed Cassidy's personality, largely because Cassidy was more or less completely insane by the time Carnage got to him.
So Carnage always refers to itself in first person singular, while Venom always refers to itself in first person plural.

So Carnage always refers to itself in first person singular, while Venom always refers to itself in first person plural.

Which symbiote did second person plural? I wanna see an alien say "Y'all".

Which symbiote did second person plural? I wanna see an alien say "Y'all".

When referring to itself? As funny as that would be, I can't think of one (and there were several, after Carnage split in one of the variant storylines)

When referring to itself? As funny as that would be, I can't think of one (and there were several, after Carnage split in one of the variant storylines)

Aye, I once got lost in that section of Wikipedia. It can take hours to get out if you stumble into DC or Marvel. "Oooh, a hero! Oooh, a storyline! Oooh a different hero!, Oooh, an alternate reality!" Geez.

Spiderman 3 was a lot of fun. Admittedly, the whole process of emo 'bad Parker' is horrendous - but at least it's laughable. Otherwise, it was entertaining as hell. Excellent fight scenes, a solid story about revenge and forgiveness, and a good way to tie up some loose ends from the first two flicks. No, it's definitely worth a watch. Don't forget, this is a movie based off a comic book, you can only take it seriously up to a point.

Of course it sucks. It's Spiderman.

The joke, which Macguire gets and plays to perfection, is that Peter Parker is incapable of really being evil because he’s such a nerd. It’s an expansion on a theme briefly looked at in Superman III, when Superman becomes “evil.” The thing, Superman can’t really be evil, because he’s so god damned lame. He just doesn’t know how to be cruel. All he can think of is to fly around melting people’s tires and straightening the Leaning Tower of Pisa. He’s trying to be evil, but he’s really just being a dick.

Macguire gets the joke, and runs with it like a champ. Evil Peter Parker’s Scarface-esque strut through New York is nothing short of inspired. He runs around with an emo haircut, leering at women, doing the finger-shooting thing no less than a hundred times; the sort of shit that only an unredeemable nerd would think is cool. Even when he’s trying to torture Kirsten Dunst, now his ex, instead of screwing Ron Howard’s daughter in Dunst’s bed, he breaks into a mini-production of Chicago. Fucking hilarious.
Pretty much exactly. It was clear that was what was happening, and while uncomfortable to watch (for some reason, that stuff makes me uncomfortable) it was well executed and certainly keeping with the style of Spiderman story.

I was worried, what with the 3 villians. You can't make a Spiderman movie about the villians in the same way that you can with a character like Batman (though I have to say that exploring the villains as an aspect of Batman's personality/demons in Batman Begins made the previous attempts look almost silly). But following that lead the villains were used to move Spiderman/Parker's story. This meant a bit of glossing (they were distraught when Harry gets a bump, but he gets the side of his face burned and they don't visit or nothing? And Venom is just a meteor that lands?) But these shortcuts are forgivable because they made way for the story rather than dragging things down with 'bookkeeping' details.

Venom isn't my favorite Spiderman villain, so jumping around with his story didn't really bother me that much. I didn't like the "Oh yeah, um, turns out Sandman was really your dads killer" but it worked and made a rather shallow character have a bit of depth.

Spiderman remains one of the best handled superhero franchises, benefiting from having someone who is a good filmmaker and a fan at the helm. And the Bruce Cambell cameo was great. (the Stan Lee one, forced and uncomfortably awkward.)

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The whole series sucks, the comic sucks, and let's face it: Spiderman as a hero is pretty lame.

Bitten by a radioactive spider. How original. :eyes:

Venom isn't my favorite Spiderman villain, so jumping around with his story didn't really bother me that much. I didn't like the "Oh yeah, um, turns out Sandman was really your dads killer" but it worked and made a rather shallow character have a bit of depth.



I think you mean uncle.

The whole series sucks, the comic sucks, and let's face it: Spiderman as a hero is pretty lame.

Bitten by a radioactive spider. How original. :eyes:

Better than bitten by a radioactive dung beetle.

Better than bitten by a radioactive dung beetle.

Not by much. He couldn't have been bitten by a radioactive wolf? Or at least some other badass thing. Hell he could have been poked with a radioactive thumbtack that was holding up a 300 poster.

Does Toxin refer to himself in the third person?

I think you mean uncle.
Uncle, right. Sorry.
The whole series sucks, the comic sucks, and let's face it: Spiderman as a hero is pretty lame.

Bitten by a radioactive spider. How original. :eyes:
The method that got Spiderman his powers is possibly the least important aspect of that character. Fact of the matter is his powers aren't even all that important to the character or what makes him compelling.

He's not for everyone. Not everyone likes the level of personal complexity in their super heroes. Some people like story and character development, some heroes with 'original' methods of getting their powers.

Uncle, right. Sorry.

The method that got Spiderman his powers is possibly the least important aspect of that character. Fact of the matter is his powers aren't even all that important to the character or what makes him compelling.

He's not for everyone. Not everyone likes the level of personal complexity in their super heroes. Some people like story and character development, some heroes with 'original' methods of getting their powers.

I hate the storylines behind just about every Marvel/DC hero.

I hate the storylines behind just about every Marvel/DC hero.

If the follow up to this is "I like Image" we can stop now...

I loved the movie...I just was thinking as to why the hell all of the enemies seem to last for less than a day or so...in the comic books they lasted a looooonnnngggg time. Now it's like:

"RAWR! I'm Venim!!! DIE!!!!"

*Five minutes later*

"Oh! You killed me!"

If the follow up to this is "I like Image" we can stop now...

I probably won't like them either. The only comic'esq thing I've ever read was the berserk manga...so...awesome.

Venom Dies! He was my favorite comic book Anti-Hero.
Mcfarlan created him but I think he sucks is that wrong?

I loved the movie...I just was thinking as to why the hell all of the enemies seem to last for less than a day or so...in the comic books they lasted a looooonnnngggg time. Now it's like:

"RAWR! I'm Venim!!! DIE!!!!"

*Five minutes later*

"Oh! You killed me!"
That's what happens when you move from a serialized medium to a self contained one. (even if there are several movies)
I probably won't like them either. The only comic'esq thing I've ever read was the berserk manga...so...awesome.
Yeah...pretty much same effect. Your tastes have been calibrated and opinions given appropriate weight considering.

(sounds like more of a dig than it is, just saying that your opinion on Spiderman considering is about as valid as mine on manga, which I tend to not like very much)

Venom Dies! He was my favorite comic book Anti-Hero.
Mcfarlan created him but I think he sucks is that wrong?

In what way is Venom an 'anti-hero?' Fighting heroes doesn't make someone an 'anti-hero.' That makes them a villain.

In what way is Venom an 'anti-hero?' Fighting heroes doesn't make someone an 'anti-hero.' That makes them a villain.

In the comics he eventually gains control of the symbiot, I think, or it point of view is changed, And does his own thing.

I'm sorry but reading the stufff that you guys are saying is funny you guys are argueing about a dorky super hero who shoots crap out his wrists when he does the love sign.....VENOM ROCKS F*** Spiderman hes a loser

erm....When the symbiot was bound with parker, it DID look like a black spider suit. Scenes you saw with the black spiderman suit is parker with the symbiot, not brock.

It's true. In the comics Peter Parker's symbiote was just a black covering with a white spider. It's venom where the gaping maw and forked tongue showed up.

Tobey/Peter during his bizarre aggressive/emo phase was downright hilarious.

Tobey/Peter during his bizarre aggressive/emo phase was downright hilarious.

I laughed my fucking head off at the dancing.

I loved the movie...I just was thinking as to why the hell all of the enemies seem to last for less than a day or so...in the comic books they lasted a looooonnnngggg time. Now it's like:

"RAWR! I'm Venim!!! DIE!!!!"

*Five minutes later*

"Oh! You killed me!"

Venom and Sandman definitely should have been in separate movies.

In what way is Venom an 'anti-hero?' Fighting heroes doesn't make someone an 'anti-hero.' That makes them a villain.

Does anyone have that comic panel of Spiderman and Venom swinging along while Venom sings "Strangers In The Night"? We need that.

Anyway though, the point is at some point from what I understand Venom becomes...semi-good. Sort of vigilante-anti-hero kind of guy, similar to the Punisher and Daredevil (Less concerned with more...legitimate routes of justice, and more concerned with what THEY think the person deserves.)

As for Spiderman, back then bitten by a radioactive spider wasn't as lame as it is now.

Honestly, all the hype about it being so good and all this and that, is a pile of BS. I mean, Peter throws a grenade at harry's face, and all he gets is a little scar, but he throws it at brock/venom, and they evaporate in mid air. Gah, and the bit when peter is over taken by venom, well its stupid. He has an emo hair style, and acts like a total dumb ass. Not too mention its really pussified at the end, when harry dies in MJ and Peter's arms, and then Peter lets the sand man disappear into the sunset. WTF? Do not waste your time nor money on this movie.


My score: 6/10

1. It had better acting and better plot than a majority of movies.
2. When Peter Parker acted liek a dumbass.. well guess what? Peter Parker is a nerd, when a nerd tries to act like a jerk... they act like a dumbass instead.
3. I don't have time to finish this post...

My score 10/10! :)

As for Spiderman, back then bitten by a radioactive spider wasn't as lame as it is now.

Just like Spiderman cartoons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFu7TZUQQWY)

Just like Spiderman cartoons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFu7TZUQQWY)

Those are pretty lame. Most superhero cartoons are.

Venom and Sandman definitely should have been in separate movies.

Yes. Plus that whole crap with Harry...man he needs to get a backbone..well needed until he died. Oops.

I liked it.

and yeah he let Sandman go. What could he do to him? vacuum him?

In what way is Venom an 'anti-hero?' Fighting heroes doesn't make someone an 'anti-hero.' That makes them a villain.

In the comic book, Venom has a sense of justice. He didn't want to see innocents get hurt. He just REALLY hated Spiderman. :p

Honestly, all the hype about it being so good and all this and that, is a pile of BS. I mean, Peter throws a grenade at harry's face, and all he gets is a little scar, but he throws it at brock/venom, and they evaporate in mid air. Gah, and the bit when peter is over taken by venom, well its stupid. He has an emo hair style, and acts like a total dumb ass. Not too mention its really pussified at the end, when harry dies in MJ and Peter's arms, and then Peter lets the sand man disappear into the sunset. WTF? Do not waste your time nor money on this movie.


My score: 6/10

Possibly. However, if it is as bad as you say, why did you give it 6/10? I would have guessed that you thought it was worse than an average film from your description but then you gave it a decent mark.

Either way I won't see it, i'll wait till it appears on television.

As for Spiderman, back then bitten by a radioactive spider wasn't as lame as it is now.
I never understood why they thought that a genetically engineered spider would make more sense for the remake though...

I never understood why they thought that a genetically engineered spider would make more sense for the remake though...

Because it was a genetically engineered AND radioactive spider *nods*

Also, fucking 9/10. The only thing that I didn't like about the movie was that Venom gets pwned at the end, and how much of a pussy Eddie Brock was in the movie before he became Venom.

Does anyone have that comic panel of Spiderman and Venom swinging along while Venom sings "Strangers In The Night"? We need that.

Anyway though, the point is at some point from what I understand Venom becomes...semi-good. Sort of vigilante-anti-hero kind of guy, similar to the Punisher and Daredevil (Less concerned with more...legitimate routes of justice, and more concerned with what THEY think the person deserves.)

As for Spiderman, back then bitten by a radioactive spider wasn't as lame as it is now.

Pretty much. Well, later on, at least. At first, I do believe, Venom was only concerned with destroying Spiderman. However, after going to jail, he had a change of outlook, and although he stilled had a great deal of contempt for Spiderman, he had gained a sense of "justice", although twisted as it was. Due to Brock's view of being a victim himself, he hated people being victimized, and would kill those who victimized others. Such as killing a purse-snatcher.

I didn't think it was too bad. Spidey turning emo pissed me off a little, and made me cringe, but it wasn't that bad. 7/10.

Today I watched the movie and while some scenes could've been better, I certainly enjoyed watching the whole movie and had a good time and many laughs, especially at Emo PP.

From what I've read here, I expected it to be a lot worse. I'd give it a 8/10. (I never give a movie a 10/10).

(I never give a movie a 10/10).

What's the point then? Make it a scale out of 9.

What's the point then? Make it a scale out of 9.
Nay. Then I would never give a 9/9.

It's reserved for something that really blows me away, stuns me, makes me talk gibberish for weeks... and that simply hasn't happened yet - if it ever will.

Hence, the best rating I'll give a movie will always be a 9/10 since there's always something that could've been made better/different/more to my liking.

Nay. Then I would never give a 9/9.

It's reserved for something that really blows me away, stuns me, makes me talk gibberish for weeks... and that simply hasn't happened yet - if it ever will.

Hence, the best rating I'll give a movie will always be a 9/10 since there's always something that could've been made better/different/more to my liking.

I'm just saying, why make a scale that goes from "terrible" to "a value that can't actually be reached"? Give Hollywood something to strive for?

In the comic book, Venom has a sense of justice. He didn't want to see innocents get hurt. He just REALLY hated Spiderman. :p

Pretty much. Well, later on, at least. At first, I do believe, Venom was only concerned with destroying Spiderman. However, after going to jail, he had a change of outlook, and although he stilled had a great deal of contempt for Spiderman, he had gained a sense of "justice", although twisted as it was. Due to Brock's view of being a victim himself, he hated people being victimized, and would kill those who victimized others. Such as killing a purse-snatcher.

Ah, see. I stopped reading before that happened. Keeping up with serialized comics became too much and now I only read them when they are collected into volumes.

If I have a complaint about the movie it's the lack of 'spidey sense'. He got blindsided a couple of times and not just by Venom. The one key thing I remember about Venom was that 'spidey sense' didn't work on him and that allowed him to get the drop on Spiderman. I expected a lot more play with that, or at least some play. Instead there was only one instance where we saw Peter react before something happened.

Emo Parker was hilarious! :D

I'm just saying, why make a scale that goes from "terrible" to "a value that can't actually be reached"? Give Hollywood something to strive for?
Yes.

And to soothe my inner demons.

Emo Parker was hilarious! :D

So true! That was my favorite part of the movie.

I liked it.

and yeah he let Sandman go. What could he do to him? vacuum him?

Well, you gotta feel bad for the guy.

1) He didn't mean to kill Parker's uncle.
2) His daughter was sick.

So what would you want Parker to do? Kill him?

I still haven't wanted to see the 2nd one, I've been debating seeing this new one. Sounds pretty terrible.

Has anyone posted this yet?
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070505.jpg

Has anyone posted this yet?
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070505.jpg

No, but I thought it was hilarious when I saw it yesterday.

Well, you gotta feel bad for the guy.

1) He didn't mean to kill Parker's uncle.
2) His daughter was sick.

So what would you want Parker to do? Kill him?

I love quoting myself.:p

Well, for my money, it's pretty good, although I do think they got a bit away from what makes Spiderman Spiderman (more on that later). That being said, I don't get the hate for Spiderman or Supes; can a guy not be a stand up guy any more? Must every hero be a dark, brooding would-be killer restrained only by a mysteriously ingrained sense of honor? Must every hero be like that damned Wolverine?

I will say that the core internal conflict of Spiderman is really despair that despite all the good he does, it will never be enough. Insofar as the conflict in this movie is one of pride and rage, it kind of gets away from the heart of the character. But as far as it goes, it really gels well. I actually like the "bad Peter", because of the way Raimi turned the movie on a dime and made Peter not just a goof, but a real douche, a situation he reacts to with proper horror.

Ah, see. I stopped reading before that happened. Keeping up with serialized comics became too much and now I only read them when they are collected into volumes.

If I have a complaint about the movie it's the lack of 'spidey sense'. He got blindsided a couple of times and not just by Venom. The one key thing I remember about Venom was that 'spidey sense' didn't work on him and that allowed him to get the drop on Spiderman. I expected a lot more play with that, or at least some play. Instead there was only one instance where we saw Peter react before something happened.

Well, one thing that was explained in the comics is that Spiderman' spider-sense tunes out the familiar and trusted. For instance, Aunt May once brained him from behind with a lead pipe because his spider-sense trusted her. I suppose it's possible that Harry still had Peter's trust. It's a stretch, but possible. *nod*

Well, one thing that was explained in the comics is that Spiderman' spider-sense tunes out the familiar and trusted. For instance, Aunt May once brained him from behind with a lead pipe because his spider-sense trusted her. I suppose it's possible that Harry still had Peter's trust. It's a stretch, but possible. *nod*

That makes sense.

Stop doing that.

That being said, I don't get the hate for Spiderman or Supes; can a guy not be a stand up guy any more? Must every hero be a dark, brooding would-be killer restrained only by a mysteriously ingrained sense of honor? Must every hero be like that damned Wolverine?

Three reasons why:

1) The Supes prove rather one-dimensional in comparison with the imperfects, who usually are borderline insane/have a messed-up past

2) The Supes' mindset seems a tad 'holier-than-thou'

3) Most imperfects can destroy a Supe equivalent.

Three reasons why:

1) The Supes prove rather one-dimensional in comparison with the imperfects, who usually are borderline insane/have a messed-up past

2) The Supes' mindset seems a tad 'holier-than-thou'

3) Most imperfects can destroy a Supe equivalent.

I would respond by saying that if you think Superman is one-dimensional, you haven't really read enough Superman. Secondly, the fact that he's holier-than-thou (or at least, he seems that way) is a product of what makes him multi-dimensional: the Silver Age Superman was essentially indestructible (Modern Superman much less so, but for reasons of his own volition). He could fly through stars, survive nuclear blasts, etc. Aside from Doomsday or some clever ruse to trap him with Kryptonite, he was well-nigh unbeatable, and that in itself is what makes him interesting: he's a critique of the idea that with absolute power comes absolute corruption. The more modern he gets, the more interesting and potent this kind of internal struggle against becoming corrupt he becomes, and the more prescient Luthor's opposition to him seems. What seems like "holier-than-thou" to you is really a rigorous attempt to never become the kind of thing he fights, when everything in his situation argues that he should be the opposite. Say what you will, but that isn't one-dimensional.

Honestly, all the hype about it being so good and all this and that, is a pile of BS. I mean, Peter throws a grenade at harry's face, and all he gets is a little scar, but he throws it at brock/venom, and they evaporate in mid air. Gah, and the bit when peter is over taken by venom, well its stupid. He has an emo hair style, and acts like a total dumb ass. Not too mention its really pussified at the end, when harry dies in MJ and Peter's arms, and then Peter lets the sand man disappear into the sunset. WTF? Do not waste your time nor money on this movie.


My score: 6/10

I agree with you on absolutely everything.

Why is it that many of us like the movie, but there are also many of us that hated it? I thought it was great, but I mean...there were some parts that didn't make sense. Such as the Sandman just happened to run into a partical effect test...

Why is it that many of us like the movie, but there are also many of us that hated it? I thought it was great, but I mean...there were some parts that didn't make sense. Such as the Sandman just happened to run into a partical effect test...

Power origins are pretty reliant on 'just happening' to be where the thing that would give them powers are. Sandman was never a scientist character, so it had to be chance. You'd think that something like that would have better protection than a fence, of if they could tell there was more weight than there should be that they would know how much and not assume a 210 pound bird had landed in the sand-or that having it open would ruin the purity of whatever it was they were trying to do-but this is a comic book world with comic book logic.

If it wasn't, Peter Parker would have died of cancer halfway into the first movie...

Why is it that many of us like the movie, but there are also many of us that hated it? I thought it was great, but I mean...there were some parts that didn't make sense. Such as the Sandman just happened to run into a partical effect test...

A totally random, conveniently placed particle test pit at that one!

Why is it that many of us like the movie, but there are also many of us that hated it? I thought it was great, but I mean...there were some parts that didn't make sense. Such as the Sandman just happened to run into a partical effect test...

Dude...that's how Flint Marko BECOMES the Sandman. Read the comics.

In fact, in the comics, he didn't even run into a particle field test. He ran into sand that had been irradiated by said test, and it made him the Sandman.

Dude...that's how Flint Marko BECOMES the Sandman. Read the comics.

In fact, in the comics, he didn't even run into a particle field test. He ran into sand that had been irradiated by said test, and it made him the Sandman.

I'm just saying, you don't just stumble onto a Partical Testing Field....

I'm just saying, you don't just stumble onto a Partical Testing Field....

half of the comic book superheroes/villians came into existance by stumbling onto a particle testing field, or a weapons test, or a genetics lab, or something to that effect.

half of the comic book superheroes/villians came into existance by stumbling onto a particle testing field, or a weapons test, or a genetics lab, or something to that effect.

Don't forget being caught in a nuke test, being launched into the Van Allen belt, having radioactive chemicals splashed into your eyes....

Most of Marvel's origins could be summarized as "Better living through irradiation."

At least Venom's still alive*. If not Eddie Brock.

*The bit in the lab. Duh.

half of the comic book superheroes/villians came into existance by stumbling onto a particle testing field, or a weapons test, or a genetics lab, or something to that effect.

You think that maybe comic books are all anti-nuclear stuff?

You think that maybe comic books are all anti-nuclear stuff?

Most of the classic Marvel characters were created in the 60s, so it fits.

I would respond by saying that if you think Superman is one-dimensional, you haven't really read enough Superman. Secondly, the fact that he's holier-than-thou (or at least, he seems that way) is a product of what makes him multi-dimensional: the Silver Age Superman was essentially indestructible (Modern Superman much less so, but for reasons of his own volition). He could fly through stars, survive nuclear blasts, etc. Aside from Doomsday or some clever ruse to trap him with Kryptonite, he was well-nigh unbeatable, and that in itself is what makes him interesting: he's a critique of the idea that with absolute power comes absolute corruption. The more modern he gets, the more interesting and potent this kind of internal struggle against becoming corrupt he becomes, and the more prescient Luthor's opposition to him seems. What seems like "holier-than-thou" to you is really a rigorous attempt to never become the kind of thing he fights, when everything in his situation argues that he should be the opposite. Say what you will, but that isn't one-dimensional.http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/216_4_054.jpg http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/97_4_0000311.jpg

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Superman is a dick, face it.

This is why I know it sucks:

"Peter, they found Uncle Ben's real killer, and he also has superpowers now, and also he just escaped as we're figuring this out."

Batman is my favorite, by a grand margin, superhero. Probably because he wasn't created due to a poor understanding of physics.

What y'all seem to be forgetting is that Stan Lee was also involved in the project (nice cameo, by the way!) and when he thinks the movie is a'ight, there ain't nothing y'all can do 'bout it!

I'm about as hardcore a Spiderman fan as you'll encounter in daily life, and I was completely disappointed in Spiderman 3.

The effects and action were great, and the fight sequences continue what Spiderman 2 started: they actually capture the flavor of what I'd always imagined Spiderman could do in "real life."

The dude that plays Harry Osborn did better in this film than any of the others, and actually stole a couple of scenes. Topher Grace was a great Eddie Brock. But Peter Parker himself was...horrible. I mean, beyond horrible. Lame over-acting alternating with lame wooden under-acting.

Mary Jane, a character who had real personality and potential in the comics, is a complete joke. She seems to exist for no reason other than to moon around and get captured. In the comics she was made into a real individual, but in the movies she's become another pathetic Lois Lane. By the fifth or sixth time she screams for help, you just can't bring yourself to even pretend to care.

The romantic subplots are even worse. Parker--who, remember, is supposed to be a GENIUS--can't figure out why the girl he was about to propose to might be upset that he KISSED ANOTHER WOMAN AT A PUBLIC EVENT ATTENDED BY MOST OF NEW YORK CITY. What's the big deal, hon? She's just my lab partner! Hey, will you marry me?

The Sandman was fun to watch, but his entire side plot was totally unnecessary, and re-wrote a whole chapter of the Spiderman story in a bizarre and totally unconvincing way.

Venom was a highlight of the whole movie, but only came in toward the end. J Jonah was, again, delightful and over-the-topic just as he should be. The cameo in the French Restaurant provided laugh-out-loud moments. But, sadly, the "main characters" and main plots of the story were flat and dull by comparison. It's sad when the "star" is out-shone by a 3-minute cameo by a relative unknown.

I love Spiderman. I really wanted to love all the Spiderman movies. But at this point, I'm hoping they will take a long break and wait for better writers and a better cast to come along.

I'm about as hardcore a Spiderman fan as you'll encounter in daily life, and I was completely disappointed in Spiderman 3.

The effects and action were great, and the fight sequences continue what Spiderman 2 started: they actually capture the flavor of what I'd always imagined Spiderman could do in "real life."

The dude that plays Harry Osborn did better in this film than any of the others, and actually stole a couple of scenes. Topher Grace was a great Eddie Brock. But Peter Parker himself was...horrible. I mean, beyond horrible. Lame over-acting alternating with lame wooden under-acting.

Mary Jane, a character who had real personality and potential in the comics, is a complete joke. She seems to exist for no reason other than to moon around and get captured. In the comics she was made into a real individual, but in the movies she's become another pathetic Lois Lane. By the fifth or sixth time she screams for help, you just can't bring yourself to even pretend to care.

The romantic subplots are even worse. Parker--who, remember, is supposed to be a GENIUS--can't figure out why the girl he was about to propose to might be upset that he KISSED ANOTHER WOMAN AT A PUBLIC EVENT ATTENDED BY MOST OF NEW YORK CITY. What's the big deal, hon? She's just my lab partner! Hey, will you marry me?

The Sandman was fun to watch, but his entire side plot was totally unnecessary, and re-wrote a whole chapter of the Spiderman story in a bizarre and totally unconvincing way.

Venom was a highlight of the whole movie, but only came in toward the end. J Jonah was, again, delightful and over-the-topic just as he should be. The cameo in the French Restaurant provided laugh-out-loud moments. But, sadly, the "main characters" and main plots of the story were flat and dull by comparison. It's sad when the "star" is out-shone by a 3-minute cameo by a relative unknown.

I love Spiderman. I really wanted to love all the Spiderman movies. But at this point, I'm hoping they will take a long break and wait for better writers and a better cast to come along.

Pretty much everything I was going to say save for two things:

1) I didn't like Campbell's cameo, he can do so much better. His cameo was Three Stooges material, and bad Stooges material.

2) I think Dunst has just kinda given up on this series. She's a good actress and has been since she was a knee-high (Interview with the Vampire). Being the damsel in distress has got to wear thin after three movies.

This ranked up there with the second Pirates in disappointment: some funny one-liners ("Where do these guys keep coming from?) and nice fight scenes, but overall a plot that just exuded angst (I was hearing Linkin Park in my head) and seemed like a bad teen drama.

Pretty much everything I was going to say save for two things:

1) I didn't like Campbell's cameo, he can do so much better. His cameo was Three Stooges material, and bad Stooges material.

2) I think Dunst has just kinda given up on this series. She's a good actress and has been since she was a knee-high (Interview with the Vampire). Being the damsel in distress has got to wear thin after three movies.

This ranked up there with the second Pirates in disappointment: some funny one-liners ("Where do these guys keep coming from?) and nice fight scenes, but overall a plot that just exuded angst (I was hearing Linkin Park in my head) and seemed like a bad teen drama.

1) I dunno. It is Bruce Campbell we're talking about. Not to knock him, mind, but I think he made the Stooge-ness of it work well.

2) I agree. I watched Interview after having seen Spiderman 1 (I'm a youngin, gimme a break) and I was like "HOLY SHIT! That's Kirsten Dunst right there, stealing the show at like...12.

1-Exactly, it's Bruce Campbell. He made the cheesy announcer and the doorman work, but this...eh.

2-So did I, I'm not that old.:p and I think she wasn't even 10 years old and stealing the show from Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt no less, and was still a better actress then than Kiera Knightly is now.

there are a series of problems I had with it, many mentioned by bottle, but:

1) parker's intellect was severely downplayed. Parker was consistantly perhaps the top 20-25 most intelligent individuals mentioned in marvel. He worked with Reed Richards on many occassions, and Richards is considered to be one of the, if not the smartest person alive. Parker, in the comic books, designed his webbing and his web shooters. In short, he was a really, really smart guy. In here...they made him smart, but not really THAT smart. Yeah he's in a physics class, but so is gwen in the same class, who was never the brightest bulb to begin with

2) Topher Grace? Topher mother f'in Grace? I kept expecting Fez and Kelso to show up and smoke a doobie with venom in his mom's basement. Now, alright, he played the role semi well, but Eddie Brock was a world class athelite and had a build like a linebacker. He was just way too small

3) Let's think about this. The woman you're about to marry has dumped you and may be sleeping with your arch enemy. You're about to lose your job, you have, by all measure, a shitty life. You also have an alien symbiot attached to your body that amps up your aggression 10 times and you're strong enough to throw a cement mixer across a football field. What do you do? You get an emo haircut and dance around. Yes, I get that this was a nerd trying to be cool, I get it. But the symbiote wasn't supposed to make him a jerk. It wasn't supposed to make him a dick. The symbiote was making him evil. They kind of touched on that right when he "killed" sandman, but then they lost it. Short of that the most evil thing he did was something he managed on accident.

4) on that topic, let's not forget, spiderman is STRONG. He's pissed off and under the effects of an alien that's ramping up his aggression. He hauls back, ends up hitting MJ and she....falls over. She falls over. She got hit by a guy who can bend farking steel and she falls over. And for the bouncer bit, the symbiote wouldn't have pinned him against the wall, he would have thrown him through the wall. At the end of it, the evil symbiote just turned him into a dick, nothing more.

5) Gwen Stacy. Did she HAVE to be there? It was completely uneccessary for that character to have been named Gwen Stacy, and was purely there to get fanboys to giggle and go "heh, gwen stacy". She in NO way resembled the "real" stacy.

6) DO NOT...FUCK WITH...CANON...LIKE THAT. The guy who killed uncle ben was the guy who spiderman let go at the wrestling studio. Period. That's the whole crux of the spiderman pathos. He doesn't like being spiderman, in fact he down right hates it. But he is spiderman, because the one time he wasn't spiderman, someone he loved died. That is the fundamental underpinnings of spiderman, his whole existance exists as a slef issued pennance for letting uncle ben die. That's the whole origin. Don't fuck with that.

there are a series of problems I had with it, 2) Topher Grace? Topher mother f'in Grace? I kept expecting Fez and Kelso to show up and smoke a doobie with venom in his mom's basement. Now, alright, he played the role semi well, but Eddie Brock was a world class athelite and had a build like a linebacker. He was just way too small


THAT'S who that was?! I kept thinking "this dork looks familiar" everytime he was on screen, but the best I could come up with was Hal Sparks. It didn't click until just now, reading that.

Ugh, I'll just put that up as another reason I didn't like this movie.

Wasn't Brock also a bit unbalanced? They touched on it a little, but I thought he was an out and out stalker.

Wasn't Brock also a bit unbalanced? They touched on it a little, but I thought he was an out and out stalker.

At that point, somewhat yes. They got the backstory quite wrong. Brock didn't hate parker, he hated spiderman.

Brock worked for a competitive paper, and interviewed a man who had confessed to being a serial killer named the Sin Eatter. However, when spiderman caught the REAL Sin Eater it was revealed that Brock had interviewed some loon who was a compulsive confessor, not the real guy.

Brock gets fired, his wife leaves him, he blames spiderman for all of this (he was always a pretty screwed up guy, due to childhood abuse). He goes to the church, not to pray for parker's death, but to contimplate suicide. That's when the symbiote bonds with him.

I liked it. I think they pulled off the multiple villain thing alright, certainly better than those godawful Batman movies from the 90s did. As long as they don't follow that path they'll be fine.

I think the most important thing to me was: Was the movie consistent with the first two? I liked the first two and would have been disappointed at a major change of flavor in the 3rd. As it stands, it was consistent, and that's all I can ask for.

That's what those god-forsaken, hideous, suckmaster, nasty, unwatchable, craptastic, sphincter-twisting, intelligence insulting, painful to watch, torturefest Batman movies have done to me.

6) DO NOT...FUCK WITH...CANON...LIKE THAT.

I have been saying that since the first movie in this series......I hate what they are doing to my beautiful story. I mean I really hate it. I will still go see it though, don't hate it so much that I won't spend $30 to go criticize it on the big screen.

6) DO NOT...FUCK WITH...CANON...LIKE THAT.


Well, not to contradict you, but I then find to believe that you and your fanboy club knows a lot more about how much canon can bend than Stan Lee, who after all, is both the creator of the damn Spiderman character and the executive producer of the movie. It is HIS story and HIS character, let the man bend it as far as he pleases.

He goes to the church, not to pray for parker's death, but to contimplate suicide. That's when the symbiote bonds with him.

At that point, all I could think of was a scene from an old episode of the Simpsons. Bart is praying for God to kill Sideshow Bob, his parents break in and Marge pries Bart's hands apart saying "You can't ask God to kill someone for you" and Homer adds "Yeah, you do your own dirty work!"

Honestly, by that point in the movie I had already considered walking out (since my wife and I haven't paid for a movie in well over a year) but figured it would be over soon enough and maybe there'd be a scene worth watching.

Needless to say, after epilogue the third I was already standing by the damn door.

Well, not to contradict you, but I then find to believe that you and your fanboy club knows a lot more about how much canon can bend than Stan Lee, who after all, is both the creator of the damn Spiderman character and the executive producer of the movie. It is HIS story and HIS character, let the man bend it as far as he pleases.

He executive produced it. He didn't write it. He might have signed off on the script, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with that decision.

That plot twist was stupid, superfluous, and totally unecessary

He executive produced it. He didn't write it. He might have signed off on the script, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with that decision.

That plot twist was stupid, superfluous, and totally unecessary

He executive produced it, that mean that he agreed to everything that happened in the movie, and that everything went according to his wishes. Sadly, he determines what is and what is not canon in the Spiderman franchise, as Lucas does with Star Wars and so forth. You may not like it, but now that Lee signed that movie, that's the new canon.

You may not like it, but now that Lee signed that movie, that's the new canon.

Um....no. Not at all.

Movies from comic books are never considered canon. At all. If it were considered canon then characters who have been DEAD for years, like Gwen Stacy, would still be alive, right now, as the comic books are being written.

Likewise Brock would be dead, even though he's very much alive. Movies aren't canon in the slightest. The analogy with Lucas is flawed because Star Wars came FROM movies, the movies are the start of the canon themselves.

These movies are merely "based on" the comic book characters. If this were canon it would unravel years of history of the characters.

He executive produced it, that mean that he agreed to everything that happened in the movie, and that everything went according to his wishes. Sadly, he determines what is and what is not canon in the Spiderman franchise, as Lucas does with Star Wars and so forth. You may not like it, but now that Lee signed that movie, that's the new canon.

I don't think you understand what "executive producer" means. ;)

Ok I've put on my flame-retardant suit.

Why is canon so critical? I mean, if you're going to make a movie out of comic book stories, which often contradict themselves with the varied writers, publishers, arcs and so forth, you sort of have to take the storyline changes as a given.

I can understand the importance of canon if you're making a movie from a TV series like Star Trek or Firefly/Serenity... Because the movie is meant to be a direct continuation of the story as told in the episodes.

A movie, on the other hand, can't possibly do that. First of all, because it's only a couple hours long. Many story arcs in comic books take at least a dozen issues to resolve. If you're going to have that level of compression, things must change in order to flow.

Also, when you have several different "universes" in which to tell the stories, why hold the movie to a higher standard? Amazing Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man and so forth all have divergent details and arcs. We accept this by either calling them multiple universes or we just acknowledge that it's a re-telling and go from there.

The movie is the same. Besides, what would be the point of making the movie if the story had to be slavishly chained to the comic book version?

I don't think you understand what "executive producer" means. ;)

I'm pretty sure about what that means. The one that finds funds for the project, the one that manages the resources, and that in the end, has the final word on the project. I'm currently working with an executive producer, I am pretty sure what an executive producer does and what doesn't.

In general terms, the executive producer is the boss, even of the director. I also saw that back in university.

Pretty much everything I was going to say save for two things:

1) I didn't like Campbell's cameo, he can do so much better. His cameo was Three Stooges material, and bad Stooges material.

I actually kind of like some of the silly over-the-top Stooges stuff, simply because it evokes the feel of the early Spiderman comics. They really do read that way, at times.

That's one of the reasons I like J Jonah so much (to give an example). In any other movie, his performance would be a bit much, but it so perfectly captures the way that character was done in the comics.


2) I think Dunst has just kinda given up on this series. She's a good actress and has been since she was a knee-high (Interview with the Vampire). Being the damsel in distress has got to wear thin after three movies.

Yeah, they're really not giving her a damn thing to work with. Which sucks. Mary Jane has been written as an awesome character by other writers, but the folks writing the Spiderman movie series don't seem to give a hoot.

Heck, we're in movie #3, and we still have yet to encounter ANY female character who does anything beyond moon over Peter/Spiderman. Aunt May had her highest point during that one Doc Ock fight, but they cut out all the interesting subplot between her and the Doc so she really got no chance to shine. She's just Nice Old Lady Who Needs Protecting. Bleh.

One of the reasons I've loved Spiderman comics is because the characters were interesting. They have lives and motivations of their own. The way they conflict with Peter/Spiderman, or the way they compliment him, fleshes out the stories in a way that a lot of other comics don't manage.


This ranked up there with the second Pirates in disappointment: some funny one-liners ("Where do these guys keep coming from?) and nice fight scenes, but overall a plot that just exuded angst (I was hearing Linkin Park in my head) and seemed like a bad teen drama.OH GAWD YES.

It's a bad sign when the supposed heroes of the movie are the ones you find yourself rooting against. MJ deserves to be miserable and alone for being such a worthless, spineless excuse for a human. Peter deserves to be miserable and alone for being such a prick and a moron. Harry died just as he was getting interesting again, though it took him two movies to get over himself enough for this to happen. The butler deserves to be miserable and alone because he's a shitty excuse for an Alfred and I resent that.

I guess we're supposed to sympathize with Sandman, like he's some kind of anti-hero, but I just think he needs to grow the fuck up and quit acting like he's some kind of fucking hero for breaking the law because he needs money (as if he's the only poor person with a sick kid!). He took the lazy, cowardly, pathetic way out, and left his wife and daughter to fend for themselves while he went out and acted like a moron. You've got UBER SAND POWERS, and the best you can come up with is to ROB A BANK?! Dumbass.

Meanwhile, J Jonah and Venom are the only interesting dudes in the movie. Teh Lame.

And don't worry kiddies! They've got Reptile all ready and set up in case they decide to do a fourth one!

And this is for everyone that said I was an idiot when I said Venom was going to be in 3 after seeing 2: :upyours:

Honestly, all the hype about it being so good and all this and that, is a pile of BS. I mean, Peter throws a grenade at harry's face, and all he gets is a little scar, but he throws it at brock/venom, and they evaporate in mid air. Gah, and the bit when peter is over taken by venom, well its stupid. He has an emo hair style, and acts like a total dumb ass. Not too mention its really pussified at the end, when harry dies in MJ and Peter's arms, and then Peter lets the sand man disappear into the sunset. WTF? Do not waste your time nor money on this movie.


My score: 6/10


My kids & I liked it. I've seen worse.

My criticisms- The "Venom" character came about and ended within about 45 minutes- I think it should have been a re-occuring character.

The Sandman reaching immense sizes- 40 feet tall or more- was too much.

And the CGI was almost cartoon-like during a few scenes. I think it needed a little more work.


I dont condemn it. But I hate that I had to pay $9.50 to see it for me and $6.50 each for the kids.

If u want to enjoy a movie you should not have such a critical approach.Leave it for the critics.My personal view rates it as 9.9/10.
I'll advise u to ":eek: review ur view".:eek:

The movie is the same. Besides, what would be the point of making the movie if the story had to be slavishly chained to the comic book version?

I don't want it to be chained to the comic book version. I don't want a retelling of the same stories. Movies are good because they can show characters in a different light, in a different dynamic.

Change things around, manipulate them tweak the outcomes, play with things, create new characters. All this is fine.

HOWEVER what does bother me is when they change fundamental aspects about the universe you are in. Things that are changed for NO reason, that do not in ANY way affect the story.

The cute blonde in the class dating brock could have been ANYBODY, but they made her gwen stacy. Stupid.

They picked a character who looked NOTHING like brock, when they could have easily cast a brock like character.

They changed a fundamental and crucial detail of Parker's backstory to make a cheesy plot line that could have been handled in numerous other ways.

There is a difference between taking characters, and spinning a new story with them, and fundamentally changing those characters. That's what they did here. They fundamentally altered the characters, their motivations, their histories, their personalities.

Moreover things they COULD HAVE DONE, and just didn't. Venom never called himself "I". Always "we". There was NO good reason not to do that, but they just didn't. I understand when backstory can conflict with the story you want to create, but, two things:

1) don't change elements that are fundamental to the story you're telling. You've cut the foundation out from underneath you

2) when there is no good reason to intentionally leave out a detail, don't.

3) when there's no good reason to introduce a character that has no place in that context, don't.

6) DO NOT...FUCK WITH...CANON...LIKE THAT. The guy who killed uncle ben was the guy who spiderman let go at the wrestling studio. Period. That's the whole crux of the spiderman pathos. He doesn't like being spiderman, in fact he down right hates it. But he is spiderman, because the one time he wasn't spiderman, someone he loved died. That is the fundamental underpinnings of spiderman, his whole existance exists as a slef issued pennance for letting uncle ben die. That's the whole origin. Don't fuck with that.

Meh, the other guy was there and involved and the motivation more or less remains. I didn't like it much myself but they handled it.

As to the canon-When you get down to it, the symbiote came from Secret Wars but they didn't do that. There is a shitload of things that happen in a serialized comic book with an inclusive universe that aren't going to make it into a contained narrative. They wanted to do a story about revenge and vengeance, they took a bit of an easy route, but whatever. Yeah, making the other chick 'Gwen Stacy' was a bit unnecessary (especially when she should have died in the first movie) but the chapter and verse expectations in something like this is really asking too much.

Meh, the other guy was there and involved and the motivation more or less remains. I didn't like it much myself but they handled it.

As to the canon-When you get down to it, the symbiote came from Secret Wars but they didn't do that. There is a shitload of things that happen in a serialized comic book with an inclusive universe that aren't going to make it into a contained narrative. They wanted to do a story about revenge and vengeance, they took a bit of an easy route, but whatever. Yeah, making the other chick 'Gwen Stacy' was a bit unnecessary (especially when she should have died in the first movie) but the chapter and verse expectations in something like this is really asking too much.

Again, like I said, I don't mind tweaking, shortening, redacting and whatever to storylines to fit what you're trying to say.

I find however that certain things cheapen the story. Changing the origins, for one. And gwen stacy inexplicably being there. And brock not being at all like brock.

I know that comic books, which evolve from years, rarely make ad irect point to point comparison to movies which last 2 hours, but damn people, why do they have to go out and INTENTIONALLY fuck with things that they had no reason to?

Honestly, all the hype about it being so good and all this and that, is a pile of BS. I mean, Peter throws a grenade at harry's face, and all he gets is a little scar, but he throws it at brock/venom, and they evaporate in mid air. Gah, and the bit when peter is over taken by venom, well its stupid. He has an emo hair style, and acts like a total dumb ass. Not too mention its really pussified at the end, when harry dies in MJ and Peter's arms, and then Peter lets the sand man disappear into the sunset. WTF? Do not waste your time nor money on this movie.


My score: 6/10


You are wrong ... Spiderman 3 is awesome! Period! Maybe there is a reason that harry died, maybe the actor wanted to move on. I've heard that Toby isn't sure he wants to make another Spiderman movie, although I hope he does.

Again, like I said, I don't mind tweaking, shortening, redacting and whatever to storylines to fit what you're trying to say.

I find however that certain things cheapen the story. Changing the origins, for one. And gwen stacy inexplicably being there. And brock not being at all like brock.

I know that comic books, which evolve from years, rarely make ad irect point to point comparison to movies which last 2 hours, but damn people, why do they have to go out and INTENTIONALLY fuck with things that they had no reason to?

The origins things has to go back to Spiderman getting the black suit in Secret Wars. I didn't see it as necessary to Venom's character to make Brock big, the suit did that along with Brock's hate. I don't think it compromised Venom at all. Sandman didn't have much of a back story, so giving him depth was a favor. Like I said, Gwen was unnecessary, but hardly a torch and pitchforks move.

The origins things has to go back to Spiderman getting the black suit in Secret Wars. I didn't see it as necessary to Venom's character to make Brock big, the suit did that along with Brock's hate. I don't think it compromised Venom at all. Sandman didn't have much of a back story, so giving him depth was a favor. Like I said, Gwen was unnecessary, but hardly a torch and pitchforks move.


Gwens last name in the comics was Stacy, but I thik she was killed or transported to another dimension or something wasn't she?

She dies. There should be no Gwen Stacy in this movie unless Spiderman somehow wanders into Dawn of the Dead...

...although, with this movie it'd be more like Shaun of the Dead.

I'm pretty sure about what that means. The one that finds funds for the project, the one that manages the resources, and that in the end, has the final word on the project. I'm currently working with an executive producer, I am pretty sure what an executive producer does and what doesn't.

In general terms, the executive producer is the boss, even of the director. I also saw that back in university.

it can mean that, it can also be an honorary title, and it can be everything in between. No matter what though, if Lee signed off on every detail, or if his name is just there to make him look involved, the point is that as a long standing fan, I think I have the right to be critical when they are screwing with something I have loved for so long.

Gwens last name in the comics was Stacy, but I thik she was killed or transported to another dimension or something wasn't she?
Spiderman killed her trying to save her life after The Green Goblin did pretty much exactly what he did in the first movie. Spiderman caught the tram and then broke Stacy's back catching her afterwards. As I recall. That, if anything, is what makes her inclusion here a little much, since the event that caused her death didn't even involve her in the movies.

But reduxes are done in comics all the time, they're part of the genre. To get upset that it happens when they change mediums seems to ignore the conventions of comic books all together.

Revenge is bad we should all just forgive one another, fuck lets hold hands and drink coca cola across the globe, kumbaya.

PC BS, last time I pay to see a fucking movie in a theater.

And the acting, I've seen easter plays with 1st graders that where more convincing of the role they where portraying.

I came out of that movie looking to score some sweet young boy time - it was the gayest shit I have seen in my life.

I actually closed my eyes at one point, expecting it to devolve into gay porn, ie. brokeback style. WTF, is nothing sacred!? Now Spiderman will forever be the jazz club, dancing with the stars, queer eye suit, emo haircut, fairy boy in my mind.

The script was crap, the acting was crap, and there was the pacifist crap throughout the whole movie... I'm going to buy 4 copies on DVD so I can send them to Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Kim Jong-il with the sincere hope that they choke on their vomit during the jazz club scene. That movie's a weapon of mass destruction!

Now Spiderman will forever be the jazz club, dancing with the stars, queer eye suit, emo haircut, fairy boy in my mind.


Well...the future Doc Croc did say that aggression wasn't the only personality aspect the symbiote enhanced...

it can mean that, it can also be an honorary title, and it can be everything in between. No matter what though, if Lee signed off on every detail, or if his name is just there to make him look involved, the point is that as a long standing fan, I think I have the right to be critical when they are screwing with something I have loved for so long.

Let's just give him a moderate participation, to not cover too much, as an honorary title would had been "associated producer", it is his intellectual property, not fan's intellectual property, so he can do pretty much what he pleases with it.

And..."screwing", like in..."Changing details of it"? He didn't have wings, his name wasn't Peter Jameson, he wasn't australian, his girlfriend wasn't hispanic, Venom wasn't called "Tarantula"...

Please, the center of it is there, the rest is fan pride, and no matter how they had handled the movie, some people like you would had been protesting it.

The New Yorker wrote that peter parker changes his haircut when the unexplained evil black glop gets on him, and that he looks like "The bronze medalist in a teen-age Hitler-impersonation contest"

wel it was nice to see Bruce Campbell steel the scene

wel it was nice to see Bruce Campbell steel the scene

When doesn't he?

I love Spiderman. I really wanted to love all the Spiderman movies. But at this point, I'm hoping they will take a long break and wait for better writers and a better cast to come along.

I feel that worked for "Batman Begins".

I feel that worked for "Batman Begins".
EXACTLY.

The Batman franchise was a complete joke (Ahnold as Mr. Freeze?!), but after a bit of a break and an influx of fresh talent it is really shining.

I know Spiderman can be done well. They're already showing us that they can master the action aspects and the "feel" of the Spiderman universe. Now we just need to find somebody who can write Spiderman (where all the quality wise cracks?), and a cast who can act their way out of a paper bag.

EXACTLY.

The Batman franchise was a complete joke (Ahnold as Mr. Freeze?!), but after a bit of a break and an influx of fresh talent it is really shining.

I know Spiderman can be done well. They're already showing us that they can master the action aspects and the "feel" of the Spiderman universe. Now we just need to find somebody who can write Spiderman (where all the quality wise cracks?), and a cast who can act their way out of a paper bag.

Yes- although I thought Nicholson was a great "Joker", the rest of the characters were too comical.

I think they have to refine the CGI stuff a little-in some spots it was way too obvious to me.
And maybe back off on the love story a tad. I think they could have used more time developing Venom and a little less time sitting on the floor of the 80 sq foot,20 coats of peeling paint apartment sulking.

I dont say its not tough though- They are trying to appeal to an audience from 4 yr old kids all the way through to adults that have been Spiderman fans for 30 years.

My 8 yr old was blown away by it. So he is happy. My three year old was mesmerized, though the startling scences scared/thrilled her while the love story broke the trance.

Its a pretty wide spectrum on the audience. I think they have to decide who they need to appeal to most,rather than spread it so thin.

If they had the crocodile professor emerge in this one too, I might have screamed.

Yes- although I thought Nicholson was a great "Joker", the rest of the characters were too comical.

Hell yeah. Still the best Joker ever. Batman Begins hinted at the Joker at the very end, and I'm very curious to see how that group would portray Joker.


I think they have to refine the CGI stuff a little-in some spots it was way too obvious to me.
And maybe back off on the love story a tad. I think they could have used more time developing Venom and a little less time sitting on the floor of the 80 sq foot,20 coats of peeling paint apartment sulking.

Word. My main problem was that, frankly, I think they made Mary Jane into a pretty lame character in the movies, and Peter Parker became a completely worthless excuse for a human being. I don't think people like that deserve to be happy. I prefer that they suffer. But I don't want to have to WATCH them moping around.


I dont say its not tough though- They are trying to appeal to an audience from 4 yr old kids all the way through to adults that have been Spiderman fans for 30 years.

My 8 yr old was blown away by it. So he is happy. My three year old was mesmerized, though the startling scences scared/thrilled her while the love story broke the trance.

Its a pretty wide spectrum on the audience. I think they have to decide who they need to appeal to most,rather than spread it so thin.

That's a good point. I agree.


If they had the crocodile professor emerge in this one too, I might have screamed.
Oooh, they should have had another sub-plot where Kraven The Hunter shows up to hunt The Lizard while the Black Cat lurks mysteriously in the shadows!!

WARNING: lots of spoilers.

There is no possible way on God's green Earth that this was the best Spiderman movie. There just isn't. Unless you REALLY liked The Mask with Jim Carrey. Then you probably DID like this movie. There are so many reason why this movie ate the big one.

1. The Black Suit - The symbiote needs a living host to survive, correct? Yet Peter keeps it in a trunk like a hand-me down wedding dress. He can't take it off. That's the whole friggin' point of Venom.

2. Saturday Night Fever - Ok, fine you can take it off. It makes you a low grade pimp? I know he was going for revenge against MJ, but seriously, now he's laying out corny lines and dance moves. (Hence my reference to The Mask) This was worst part of the movie and I almost walked if I didn't want to see the final battle so bad.

3. Sandman - KILLED BEN PARKER?! Are you really serious? This is terrible. Peter killed Ben's killer. That was case closed and this twist was completely unnecessary.

4. BFF4F - Harry loses his short term memory (which was REALLY stupid), then gains it back. He could have just kept his memory and attacked Spiderman more. There could have been a battle between the Green Goblin and Black Spidey and that would have satisfied more people than lame friendships. Then he HELPS SPIDERMAN?! Seriously, this stuff has got to stop and they need to just keep characters the way they are. Again, there is no way on God's green Earth the Green Goblin would help Spiderman. None. Zero.

5. Eddy Brock/Venom - Topher Grace should not be Foreman anymore as the show was cancelled. And if he can't do that, then he has to stop being anything. Venom had no tongue and way too much dialogue. He should be a revenge machine, thriving on lust for the destruction of the source for the host's anger. Hissing and howling and growling. THAT is Venom. He also refers to himself as "I" in the first person. Which, above al else about the character, the biggest slap to the face to anyone who ever loved the comics (like myself). I'm able to get by most things in this movie, but when you change the character completely to fit your own ends its depressing.

These are the reasons you feel poorly about this movie. I feel there are more, but they are just little nit-picky things that really stuck out to me.

Hell yeah. Still the best Joker ever. Batman Begins hinted at the Joker at the very end, and I'm very curious to see how that group would portray Joker.




I havent tried to confirm it yet, but someone said to me that Heath ledger was playing the Joker in the next Batman.

I'm not sure how to feel about that yet.

Hell yeah. Still the best Joker ever. Batman Begins hinted at the Joker at the very end, and I'm very curious to see how that group would portray Joker.

I kid you not: Heath Ledger.

5. Eddy Brock/Venom - Topher Grace should not be Foreman anymore as the show was cancelled. And if he can't do that, then he has to stop being anything. Venom had no tongue and way too much dialogue. He should be a revenge machine, thriving on lust for the destruction of the source for the host's anger. Hissing and howling and growling. THAT is Venom. He also refers to himself as "I" in the first person. Which, above al else about the character, the biggest slap to the face to anyone who ever loved the comics (like myself). I'm able to get by most things in this movie, but when you change the character completely to fit your own ends its depressing.

Thank god I wasn't the only person pissed about that.

Oooh, they should have had another sub-plot where Kraven The Hunter shows up to hunt The Lizard while the Black Cat lurks mysteriously in the shadows!!

And Morbius tries to break into the lab while the Scorpion and Rhino rob the Federal reserve.

And Morbius tries to break into the lab while the Scorpion and Rhino rob the Federal reserve.

And Mysterio gets no lovin in all this? You cruel bastards...

And Mysterio gets no lovin in all this? You cruel bastards...

No-we wouldnt want TOO many bad guys in one flick- He is plotting with King Pin (unless King Pin was killed in Daredevil) , Doppleganger and Tombstone for the next movie.

No-we wouldnt want TOO many bad guys in one flick- He is plotting with King Pin (unless King Pin was killed in Daredevil) , Doppleganger and Tombstone for the next movie.

Bah. You take all the fun out of this...

I kid you not: Heath Ledger.

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you never know...

If Mark Hamill can be the voice of the Joker...

I read that the only reason Venom was in the film, was because of poplular demand, not surprising. But Sam didn't want him in it, But the executives did.

you never know...
I just don't know what to make of it.

I honestly would never have even thought of the possibility of casting him for that part. But sometimes those picks turn out to be the best ones. I dunno.

They bought a lot of cred with me with Batman Begins. They've earned the benefit of the doubt.

When doesn't he?

Thats probably one of the mysteries of life

I read that the only reason Venom was in the film, was because of poplular demand, not surprising. But Sam didn't want him in it, But the executives did.

personally,I think Venom should have played a larger role. the groundwork should have been laid during this #3 for Venom to be the major baddie in #4.

And how are they going to make Carnage now? It doesnt seem like Cletus Kasady and Eddie Brock will be able to meet now.

I just don't know what to make of it.

I honestly would never have even thought of the possibility of casting him for that part. But sometimes those picks turn out to be the best ones. I dunno.

They bought a lot of cred with me with Batman Begins. They've earned the benefit of the doubt.

Thats the way I'm looking at it too. I have no idea what Ledger is capable of yet,but Nicholson leaves big shoes to fill.

I'm anticipating a more murderous Joker and maybe a touch less kooky either way.

and I'm still trying to picture Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark/Iron Man....

Sp-sp-spiderman is g-gay?

Oh, and to the OP... if a 6/10 film isn't worth seeing then what does that make a 1/10 film worth - a columbine-esque stakeout of your nearest cinema that is showing the film?


That was the first thought that came into my head when I saw that emote too.

i hope like in ultimate spidey, that venom isnt dead at the end, but dissapears somehow, and that if they make a fourth that they have carnage in it, because he is the most insane S.O.B in the comic book world.
BTW someone on this forumn said that there was a third alien suit, and i found its name: toxin
but hes a good guy, whis kinda ruins the alien suit theme

i hope like in ultimate spidey, that venom isnt dead at the end, but dissapears somehow, and that if they make a fourth that they have carnage in it, because he is the most insane S.O.B in the comic book world.
BTW someone on this forumn said that there was a third alien suit, and i found its name: toxin
but hes a good guy, whis kinda ruins the alien suit theme

That was me.:D I rolled my eyes when I first heard of him.

Thats the way I'm looking at it too. I have no idea what Ledger is capable of yet,but Nicholson leaves big shoes to fill.

I'm anticipating a more murderous Joker and maybe a touch less kooky either way.

The intent is to have Ledge play a considerably darker Joker than Nicholson played, so I've heard. Take that how you will.

The intent is to have Ledge play a considerably darker Joker than Nicholson played, so I've heard. Take that how you will.

I'll keep an open mind and keep looking foward to it.

A better ending: Venom bites Sandman and escapes, and then Spider-Man can forgive a dying Sandman (if he MUST). At the end, Goblin the First is revealed to have lived. This could make room for a Fourth involving Carnage, Venom, and Goblin.

A better ending: Venom bites Sandman and escapes, and then Spider-Man can forgive a dying Sandman (if he MUST). At the end, Goblin the First is revealed to have lived. This could make room for a Fourth involving Carnage, Venom, and Goblin.

Problem:

None of the main actors are willing to go into a third installment. Reasons differ, mostly they don't want to be known solely as "Those people from spiderman".

Heath Ledger is going to play The Joker in the next Batman?

A part of me just died...

I saw it yesterday, it was good:)

Worst thing was that Venom referred to himself as 'I', and not as 'we'.:(

Problem:

None of the main actors are willing to go into a third installment. Reasons differ, mostly they don't want to be known solely as "Those people from spiderman".

I don't think Dafoe would be known as "That guy from spiderman", he being in Platoon and all of that...

Durst and Maguire are building their careers with that, although.

I saw it yesterday, it was good:)

Worst thing was that Venom referred to himself as 'I', and not as 'we'.:(

That is now 3 people who were openly upset about that.
I'm starting to feel somewhat...normal. Or at least vindicated.

That is now 3 people who were openly upset about that.
I'm starting to feel somewhat...normal. Or at least vindicated.
Though I maybe hadn't noticed if I hadn't read it here.;)

The thing is, they're trying to please the fans...the children...the parents...and the mediocre all at the same time.

You can tell because they try to include too much as far as seperate characters go [For the fans], too much stupid moral sayings and the damn flag [for Children and Parents], and the socialite that Spidey still is [the Mediocre] by making him go all Emo for about a half an hour.

It was a good movie if you go in expecting it to be a bit drummed up, fast, and sort of childish. I enjoyed the final venom vs spidey fight very much, that and when Peter goes crazy and somehow only scars Harry's face.

I mean, my only one big thing with it is -

Peter throws a Gobnade at Harry, which several more Gobnades are on the ground...only leaving a burn-scar on the right side of his face.

When he throws one single Gobnade into Venom and that 70s Show Eric guy, it completely incinerates both.

My point being is that - Even if Harry is 'superhuman', somehow a fork symbiot that made Peter much more stronger was able to go poof and a whole human body as well.

So yea, that's my only real qualm. They made Harry too much into a ***** while trying to make him a hardass...c'mon...

"BREAK UP WITH PETER OR I KILLZ HIM"...

Hmm, take her hostage...have a huge fight scene...make THAT the point the of the movie, and only have the Symbiote play a small role and then a much LARGER role in Spidey 4, with the Sandman in Spidey 4 as a very minor role...

Oh well, over-all it was an okay movie. It probably isn't worth a buy, but worth a see.

CAN'T WAIT TILL 28 WEEKS!

This is a post I made about it on another forum.

EDIT: The forum has stupid word filters, ie FUCK FUCKING FUCKER MOTHERFUCKER are changed to fork.

Not by much. He couldn't have been bitten by a radioactive wolf? Or at least some other badass thing. Hell he could have been poked with a radioactive thumbtack that was holding up a 300 poster.

Gaining the powers of a wolf is MORE original? In what world? If only Stan Lee could have had some original thoughts like a wolfman *dreams*

Seriously, did you actually think about this before you posted it? Stan Lee created a complex and compelling character that has held up through decades and spawned multiple franchises. To complain that it's not original and then come up with practically the single most unoriginal idea possible is laughable at best and pretty sad at worst.

To the OP, I liked the movie. As has been stated, the black-suited Spiderman was proof that the director gets the joke. Spiderman has to be a nerd and this movie proves throughout. Brilliantly, I might add.

There were some parts I didn't like, but the Stan Lee cameo was not one of them. Stan Lee basically makes fun of the fact that he's making a cameo. Says a line. Looks at the camera. And says something to the effect "eh, that should do it." It was perfectly hilarious in that it recognized how lame it was. Movies that don't take themselves too seriously are brilliant when done right. This one was.

The Sandman part could have been better, but I liked the depth of such a quick character. You don't often get so much out of a villain.

And by the way, appearing in front of the American Flag made me laugh out loud. This movie really gets that even action comics are often *gasp* comical. Yeah, they altered almost every storyline (much like they completely mixed around characters like Rogue and Jubilee and changed the origin of Juggernaut), but since Marvel does that all the time, it's really hard to get upset about that.

Gaining the powers of a wolf is MORE original? In what world? If only Stan Lee could have had some original thoughts like a wolfman *dreams*

Wolves are slightly cooler than spiders, but wolfspiderman...*orgasm*

Just because my idea wasn't original, it does not follow that his more so. It seems so half assed that a man is bitten by a radioactive spider and gains superpowers. Now sandman falls into an experiment and gains superpowers. Venom, Doc Oct, Carnage, and the Green Goblin are very good characters. But a radioactive spider should give you cancer, not turn you into a spider.

*puts on boxing gloves*

Let me just say I did not see this movie, as for two reasons:

1) "We found Unlce Ben's real killer."
-Essentially they just fucked up the one thing about Peter Parker I liked. He was hurt because of a normal criminal. Not because of a superpowered jerk, but by an everyday carjacker whom he let escape to spite the wrestling manager. Coming back to the main theme of the story: "With great power, comes great responsiblity."

2) The acting.
-The two main roles: Spiderman and Mary Jane are badly acted. Not saying they are bad actors, but the roles just do not fit them at all. Being as they are on the screen more than anyone else they should at least be comfortable to watch.

Wolves are slightly cooler than spiders, but wolfspiderman...*orgasm*

Just because my idea wasn't original, it does not follow that his more so. It seems so half assed that a man is bitten by a radioactive spider and gains superpowers. Now sandman falls into an experiment and gains superpowers. Venom, Doc Oct, Carnage, and the Green Goblin are very good characters. But a radioactive spider should give you cancer, not turn you into a spider.

Yes, and stepping into an experiment turns you into the sandman... yeah, it works like that. Getting bitten by a radioactive spider wouldn't give you cancer in fact. It would most likely either kill you, make you sick or not affect you at all. Surprise, surprise, comic books suspend disbelief all the time. Guess what else? Dropping into a vat of acid doesn't paint a permanent smile on your face and make your skin white. There isn't a magic jewel that makes you able to run through walls and no one has a gene that gives you random super powers including the ability to turn other super-powered people into ash.

As to the original bit, pray tell who used a similar tactic for gaining super powers in the past? Or are you unsure of the meaning of 'original'?


*puts on boxing gloves*

Let me just say I did not see this movie, as for two reasons:

1) "We found Unlce Ben's real killer."
-Essentially they just fucked up the one thing about Peter Parker I liked. He was hurt because of a normal criminal. Not because of a superpowered jerk, but by an everyday carjacker whom he let escape to spite the wrestling manager. Coming back to the main theme of the story: "With great power, comes great responsiblity."

The carjacker was still a regular guy and Ben still died because Peter let the thief go. Nothing changed, but now we have a batman-esque super-villian that created the superhero, so to speak. Again, storylines change. If you don't know this, you're not familiar with Marvel Comics.


2) The acting.
-The two main roles: Spiderman and Mary Jane are badly acted. Not saying they are bad actors, but the roles just do not fit them at all. Being as they are on the screen more than anyone else they should at least be comfortable to watch.

The acting was perfect. Peter was supposed to be a nerdy fool who couldn't pull of evil more than just acting like an ass. And he did it. He comes across as the charicature he is supposed to be. It's perfect. MJ is hardly important and I don't consider her a main role. They developed Sandman and Harry at least as much as MJ in this movie. However, I think it was perfect that her singing was as awful as described in the review that got her fired and her reactions to Peter were believable.

When reviewing a movie, the intent and style are necessary inclusions. You're ignoring the intent and style and criticizing the movie out of context which makes your criticism necessarily flawed.