NationStates Jolt Archive


Pride or shame for your country/leaders?

Sumamba Buwhan
04-05-2007, 18:17
Because we all love polls...

Replace pride/shame with love/hate, like/dislike, or pish/posh for all I care. I don't really care what words you use, I just want to know how you feel about your country as well as those that are in charge of it.

I think my country (U.S.A.) is bordering on great and has potential because even though there are many social problems in terms of education, environment, social equality and economic disparity; the fact is that we've come a long way and continue to improve in many areas. There are always ups and downs and yes it's easy to point out where our failings are, but I have hope when I look at things being done to combat the downside.


As for the leaders? I don't like them, I don't trust them and I am embarassed about how we look as a nation for having elected them. Here I struggle to find anything good about our leaders. Although, I do see potential in future leaders. I feel that in that regard to the those in charge that it's another one for the trash heap but there's great potential for the future.
Fassigen
04-05-2007, 18:21
"Meh", adequately sums it up. I sort of do like our food holidays, though. And the absence of puritans is nice (I loves me my homosexualist cabals). Ooh, and speaking of, the men are sexy, sexy bitches.
Sumamba Buwhan
04-05-2007, 18:24
"Meh", adequately sums it up. I sort of do like our food holidays, though. And the absence of puritans is nice (I loves me my homosexualist cabals). Ooh, and the men are sexy, sexy bitches.

What kind of food holidays? And talk of homosexual cabals is worthless without pictures.
The blessed Chris
04-05-2007, 18:24
I think my country, Britain, was once great, and has prostitued itself at the alter of post-colonial morality. I also think my generation, and those within 20 years of us, contain a morally degenerate, socially marginalised underclass who only portend ill for the future. I am going to enjoy watch Britain devolve into a fractured society form afar.

As for leaders, I have respect for only a handful of contemporary politicians; David Davis, William Hague, Boris Johnson, Anne Widdecombe and Michael Howard. Beyond that, I find modern politicians to be soulless, monochromatic machines with little genuine charisma, and little integrity.
Myu in the Middle
04-05-2007, 18:30
Being Northern Irish, I don't actually have any real national allegiance. To state pride or shame in either the UK or Ireland is itself a charged statement.

I can say, however, that the Northern Irish politicians seem to me to be uncaring, self-serving, materialistic, divisive bigots, and thus perfectly representative of the general population.
Fassigen
04-05-2007, 18:31
What kind of food holidays?

Waffles, semlor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semla), cinnamon buns, lussekatter (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lussekatt) and so on.

And talk of homosexual cabals is worthless without pictures.

Show me yours...
Dundee-Fienn
04-05-2007, 18:32
I love my country for its scenery and the feel I get when i'm there but I hate it for its people. I hate the fact that within half an hour of meeting some people i'm asked what my religious affiliation is. It still happens sometimes where I live now but thats my own fault for moving somewhere with a lot of people from back home. Usually though the people I meet here don't have the same ideas of those at home. Hopefully when I qualify I can move even further
The blessed Chris
04-05-2007, 18:32
Egghiccup;12609322']Anne Widdecombe - contemporary?? :eek:

She's a lunatic weeble rightwing nutjob.

Please tell me you were joking.

She did write in the Telegraph a few weeks ago;)
Kryozerkia
04-05-2007, 18:32
I love Canada, but I hate the Conservatives. They act like they have a majority when barely 33% of the eligible voters voted for these assholes. I hate the first-past-the-post system.
Infinite Revolution
04-05-2007, 18:35
i don't really care about the greatness of my country. as long as it's a nice place to live it's fine by me. and i don't buy into any sort of personality cult concerning leaders. a 'great' leader is a dangerous leader imo.
Sumamba Buwhan
04-05-2007, 18:37
Waffles, semlor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semla), cinnamon buns, lussekatter (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lussekatt) and so on.

How are you not 400 lbs.?

Show me yours...

I wasn't the one braggin' on it. If I had a homosexual cabal, I woulda shared pics long ago. :p
Infinite Revolution
04-05-2007, 18:38
I think my country, Britain, was once great, and has prostitued itself at the alter of post-colonial morality. I also think my generation, and those within 20 years of us, contain a morally degenerate, socially marginalised underclass who only portend ill for the future. I am going to enjoy watch Britain devolve into a fractured society form afar.

As for leaders, I have respect for only a handful of contemporary politicians; David Davis, William Hague, Boris Johnson, Anne Widdecombe and Michael Howard. Beyond that, I find modern politicians to be soulless, monochromatic machines with little genuine charisma, and little integrity.

i lol'd :D
Fassigen
04-05-2007, 18:42
How are you not 400 lbs.?

Who says I'm not? *is not going to bother converting silly units into something that makes sense, like the Swedish-invented Celsius scale*

But, really, they're single days of the year. You're not supposed to eat that stuff all the time, unlike in some other places...

I wasn't the one braggin' on it. If I had a homosexual cabal, I woulda shared pics long ago. :p

See, this is exactly why no one lets you in on one. "Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff" goes on and you can't very well be our second Homer.
Myu in the Middle
04-05-2007, 18:45
... has prostitued itself at the altar of post-colonial morality.
Colonial morality basically amounted to "Do what we tell you". That is no basis for a genuine system of ethics.
The blessed Chris
04-05-2007, 18:47
Colonial morality basically amounted to "Do what we tell you". That is no basis for a genuine system of ethics.

Deepnds upon whose perspective you assume. As a Briton, it would have worked just fine for me.

In any case, surely isn't "Do what we tell you" the axiom upon which all authority is based?:rolleyes:
Sumamba Buwhan
04-05-2007, 19:00
Who says I'm not? *is not going to bother converting silly units into something that makes sense, like the Swedish-invented Celsius scale*

But, really, they're single days of the year. You're not supposed to eat that stuff all the time, unlike in some other places...

Well I figured that you didn't get to join a homosexual cabal unless you were fit. I wish my country had food holidays. Well I guess certain cities celebrate foods once in a while. I was plannign on trying to get to the upcoming chocolate and garlic celebrations in Calif


See, this is exactly why no one lets you in on one. "Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff" goes on and you can't very well be our second Homer.


Then they need to get with the times. That's the stuff that the public loves!
Andaluciae
04-05-2007, 19:01
My country has the potential to be great...and I do often believe that it is great...but our President is currently terrible, and we're stuck with him until January of 2009. Bummer.
Llewdor
04-05-2007, 19:41
I love Canada, but I hate the Conservatives. They act like they have a majority when barely 33% of the eligible voters voted for these assholes. I hate the first-past-the-post system.
Canada has a lot of potential, but the current leaders can't be judged. No one with a minority can be judged, because a minorityt government will always do what is politically expedient, and that's the same for all parties.

No, I can only judge governments based on what they do as majorities.

As such, I love the first-past-the-post system. It makes majority governments more likely, and only majority governments can ever enact unpopular policies.
Newer Burmecia
04-05-2007, 19:56
I think my country, Britain, was once great, and has prostitued itself at the alter of post-colonial morality. I also think my generation, and those within 20 years of us, contain a morally degenerate, socially marginalised underclass who only portend ill for the future. I am going to enjoy watch Britain devolve into a fractured society form afar.

As for leaders, I have respect for only a handful of contemporary politicians; David Davis, William Hague, Boris Johnson, Anne Widdecombe and Michael Howard. Beyond that, I find modern politicians to be soulless, monochromatic machines with little genuine charisma, and little integrity.
You aren't my grandma, at all?
Myu in the Middle
04-05-2007, 22:02
Deepnds upon whose perspective you assume. As a Briton, it would have worked just fine for me.

In any case, surely isn't "Do what we tell you" the axiom upon which all authority is based?:rolleyes:
Not really. Authority in the UK is based on contract, and has been since the civil war. The monarchy and government exist at the behest of the people and only thus; we could tear the whole structure down if we wanted to, as indeed Cromwell's army did.

Besides, "It wouldn't hurt me" isn't the same as saying "It's right". The injustices of the colonies spurned the nationalist movements that brought the empire to an end, and the perpetuation of injustices at home is what's causing the union to split like it's doing. It's not going to be solved by being even more oppressive and demanding.
Khermi
04-05-2007, 22:16
I love my country and what it stands for. It's my opinion that the mistakes of the past are in the past; no use crying over spilled milk and just like every other country, while mine has issues here and abroad, I'd still rather live no plce else.

I don't love the politicians and leaders, however, over here who ignore what their constituents want. Unfortunatly, in my opinion, we have become brainwashed into voting down party lines thinking they, who we elect, know what is best for all. We've slowly sold out our country by electing selfish Politicians rather than selfless Statesmen/women.
Boonytopia
05-05-2007, 06:04
I love Australia, but there are plenty of improvements that could be made.

Our leaders are complete tools.
Kryozerkia
05-05-2007, 13:21
Canada has a lot of potential, but the current leaders can't be judged. No one with a minority can be judged, because a minorityt government will always do what is politically expedient, and that's the same for all parties.

No, I can only judge governments based on what they do as majorities.

As such, I love the first-past-the-post system. It makes majority governments more likely, and only majority governments can ever enact unpopular policies.
They (the Conservatives - that's the party name for the nitpickers out there) may be a minority but they act like a majority which to be isn't right unless they have one.

Any party can be judged as a minority because it takes a certain level of diplomacy to make the system work and it involves actually working with the opposition to get something done, other than squabble and call each other names when you don't agree with that is isn't said.

I dislike the current system because it leaves severe imbalances especially when certain ridings had tight races and it left someone with 46% of the vote and someone else with 44% and the rest going to other candidates. There is a problem then because voters are not completely represented by their MP. This is also considering well below 100% of eligible voters were casting ballots for that riding.
Ultraviolent Radiation
05-05-2007, 13:44
second Homer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD1XXiiHpSM
Nationalian
05-05-2007, 13:51
Sweden's nice but I dislike our current leadership. Hopefully it will only last three more years.
Swilatia
05-05-2007, 13:54
Poland is Fine, but I hate Kaczyński with a passion.

Also, as in any munti-choice poll, I voted all the options.
Neu Leonstein
05-05-2007, 13:56
Both Germany and Australia certainly have potential to be great places to live, albeit for different reasons.

The Australian leaders are...well, Boonytopia said it really. Maybe I'll strike it lucky and get three years of Rudd followed by nine years of Turnbull (though I won't be here anymore by then).

Chancellor Merkel is a nice sort of lady, I've got a lot of respect for her. But I really do wish she would just put the foot down a bit more often and shut up all these constant debates within the coalition. Because that "Grand Coalition" has so far been one big disappointment. How can you have that powerful a mandate and still manage not to get anything done?
Bolol
05-05-2007, 14:01
I count myself among the Americans who loves thier country, but absolutely loathes thier leadership.
NERVUN
05-05-2007, 14:02
Got two countries to go for (The one I'm from and the one I am in).

I love the United States, though as of late some of its actions makes me wonder why I really want to go back home. Still, all in all, I have to agree that America is a like a large friendly dog in a small room; every time it wags its tail, it knocks over a chair.

As for Japan, I'm still in love with it, even after experiencing it and coming face to face with some of its bad sides, like natto.

As for President Bush... Let's just say that I am counting down the days till January 09. I like Sen Reid, but that's probably because I've met the man and he's from Nevada.

As for Prime Minister Abe... Here's hoping he resigns and soon. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss Koizumi and his hair.
I V Stalin
05-05-2007, 14:15
Britain has the potential to be great, although I think that it cannot be great without the acquiescence of other countries - which won't happen.

Labour also have the potential to be great. Blair, on the other hand, does not. The first few years of the Labour government from 1997 were wonderful for most people...so long as you're comparing their position to what they had in the 18 years previous to that. Labour could have capitalised on that and brought in long term schemes to make the country better. Instead, they abused the popularity they had and are now suffering as a result. If they can cling onto power at the next election and slowly build their popularity in the 4-5 years after that, they can be in the same position after winning an election in around 2013-14. Then they can be great.
Vernasia
05-05-2007, 18:24
sings: Tony Blair's resigning soon, Tony Blair's resigning soon :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Hynation
05-05-2007, 18:31
I love my country...but South Florida is dead to the U.S...so my country does not love me...:(
Hotdogs2
05-05-2007, 18:36
I love my the UK but it sure has lots more potential. Leadership im not sure tbh, Tony Blair is going but what about Gordon Brown? He's done some good for the economy, and if he can do it for the country then he'll be doing well IMO. Lets hope so anyway, but he'd best do it fast if he wants labour back in power after the next election, i personally was surprised the conservatives didn't take power last time.

Good on you world, but i hope the south divide gets on a lot better in the future.
Ultraviolent Radiation
05-05-2007, 18:47
At the moment, the UK has an awful government. I'm not too impressed with the people either - there is a culture of cowardice, it seems, with people wanting the government to protect them from everything and accepting any sacrifice to this end.
Pyschotika
05-05-2007, 19:12
I love my country.

I hate my leader.

Don't support bush, it feels to frizzy...I mean...he has the IQ of a brain dead child.
Llewdor
08-05-2007, 00:23
There is a problem then because voters are not completely represented by their MP. This is also considering well below 100% of eligible voters were casting ballots for that riding.
The people who don't vote don't count, because they've overtly stated that they don't care how they're governed. If they don't care, neither do I.

First past the post does disenfranchise people at the riding level, but it does tend to place in majority position the party with a clear plurality of support. And in majority they can do whatever they want for up to 5 years before having to answer for it. That way we get a great insight into what sort of government they want to be (because they've been it, unfettered by political concerns, for years).

If all the governments are minorities then I never know what anyone really stands for. Plus, minority governments almost always lead to bigger government, because bigger government is easier to sell in the short-term.
Aggicificicerous
08-05-2007, 00:40
Canada is nothing that special, but it does have some potential. The current government however is utter trash; even the Liberals are looking good at this point.
The Wu-Tang Clanz
08-05-2007, 00:46
I love America, but seriously, fuck Bush.
Llewdor
08-05-2007, 19:12
Canada is nothing that special, but it does have some potential. The current government however is utter trash; even the Liberals are looking good at this point.
The current government certainly has done some dumb things with the equalisation system - "Hey, let's give Quebec more money so they can lower their taxes!" - but given their minority position I have no reason to believe they had much say in the matter.
Ollonen
08-05-2007, 19:16
I'm not either patriotical nor lover of my government-lover, class still divines us much more than nationality. And I would NEVER support a right-wing government we have in here. Also nobody choses their nationality.
Llewdor
08-05-2007, 22:07
I'm not either patriotical nor lover of my government-lover, class still divines us much more than nationality. And I would NEVER support a right-wing government we have in here. Also nobody choses their nationality.
No one chooses their starting nationality. You can choose later on.