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This reminds me of the guy (also West Coast, IIRC) who set himself alight at a busy freeway exit ramp, and no one noticed, and his body went missing for a few days before someone noticed the smell.

Of course, if this is for real, and there's any way to track down who he is, I bet the police pay him a little visit, and have him committed before he can do it.

How's he going to read his statement after he kills himself? This boy will come to no good end, mark my words, he's just not very bright.

Still, I applaud his population control efforts.

How's he going to read his statement after he kills himself? This boy will come to no good end, mark my words, he's just not very bright.

Still, I applaud his population control efforts.

He'll be very bright for a few minutes...

That kid needs a beating and a job.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1127-08.htm

Here's the anti-war protester who was wasn't seen.

Malachi Ritscher envisioned his death as one full of purpose.

He carefully planned the details, mailed a copy of his apartment key to a friend, created to-do lists for his family. On his Web site, the 52-year-old experimental musician who'd fought with depression even penned his obituary.

On Nov. 3, 2006, Ritscher set up a video camera, doused himself with gasoline and lit himself on fire on expressway off-ramp in downtown Chicago.

At 6:30 a.m. on Nov. 3 - four days before an election caused a seismic shift in Washington politics - Ritscher, a frequent anti-war protester, stood by an off-ramp in downtown Chicago near a statue of a giant flame, set up a video camera, doused himself with gasoline and lit himself on fire.

Aglow for the crush of morning commuters, his flaming body was supposed to be a call to the nation, a symbol of his rage and discontent with the U.S. war in Iraq.

"Here is the statement I want to make: if I am required to pay for your barbaric war, I choose not to live in your world. I refuse to finance the mass murder of innocent civilians, who did nothing to threaten our country," he wrote in his suicide note. "... If one death can atone for anything, in any small way, to say to the world: I apologize for what we have done to you, I am ashamed for the mayhem and turmoil caused by my country."

There was only one problem: No one was listening.

It took five days for the Cook County medical examiner to identify the charred-beyond-recognition corpse. Meanwhile, Ritscher's suicide went largely unnoticed.

I guess no one weeps for the anti-war protester... :rolleyes

His death will go unnoticed here as well...

At least he feels his cause is worth dying for...rather than killing for.

On May 3rd, 2007, at 3:07 PM PST in front of a busy gas station in Livermore, CA, I am going to kill myself for peace to prove the futility of fighting a War for Peace. Shortly afterwards, I will read a statement regarding my sacrifice. It will basically say, "Chris died for peace." How the fuck does he plan to do that?

How the fuck does he plan to do that?

I get the sense he isn't thinking all that clearly.

At least he feels his cause is worth dying for...rather than killing for.

No one really noticed the first guy, and I bet no one will really notice the second...

No one really noticed the first guy, and I bet no one will really notice the second...

You noticed. Maybe it's enough.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

You noticed. Maybe it's enough.

Not like I care...

I wish there was an email link on the site. Someone should tell this kid that nobody will really care if he kills himself and it won't change a damn thing. The best he can hope for is a mention on the evening news, particularly if it's a gory suicide, and a bunch of people making fun of him for a day or two afterward. This kid has to realize he's being very arrogant in believing the world will care whether he lives or dies.

Not like I care...

Yet you brought it to the attention of people who might.

Yet you brought it to the attention of people who might.

In the hopes that it could catch on.... :eek:

I wish there was an email link on the site. Someone should tell this kid that nobody will really care if he kills himself and it won't change a damn thing. The best he can hope for is a mention on the evening news, particularly if it's a gory suicide, and a bunch of people making fun of him for a day or two afterward. This kid has to realize he's being very arrogant in believing the world will care whether he lives or dies.

Sounds like every soldier ever in existence.

His family and friends will care. And like it or not, his death will likely affect people who have never met him.

Hooray for suicide and drugs and their amazing ability to remove bits of stupid from the gene pool!

Yeah, that's pretty tasteless on my part...but there are far more effective ways to send a message than to light oneself on fire.

Sounds like every soldier ever in existence.


Most soldiers don't have delusions of grandeur, or believe that the world will know of their life, death, or acts.

How the fuck does he plan to do that?
he's going to organize every seance in the nation to "tune in" the day after he does the deed.

EDIT: oh and I like how he blames 9/11 on the Americans. :rolleyes:

In the hopes that it could catch on.... :eek:

When I think of 'dying for a cause', I generally don't think of offing yourself...but hey, it's been done many times before, all over the world. Self-immolation in particular is not a rare occurrence by any means, unfortunately. Farmers in the majority world, who have been pushed out and impoverished all to regularly end their lives this way...

I don't consider someone killing themselves out of despair any less worthy of my sympathy.

When I think of 'dying for a cause', I generally don't think of offing yourself...but hey, it's been done many times before, all over the world. Self-immolation in particular is not a rare occurrence by any means, unfortunately. Farmers in the majority world, who have been pushed out and impoverished all to regularly end their lives this way...

I don't consider someone killing themselves out of despair any less worthy of my sympathy.

Most soldiers today (aside from insurgents) aren't into the idea of dying, let alone for a cause.

Most soldiers don't have delusions of grandeur, or believe that the world will know of their life, death, or acts.

He's killing himself. His reasons might be different than some people's, but in the end, he's just given up. Whether someone ends their life because of depression caused by family strife, or political despair, it really doesn't matter. I don't think either have 'delusions of grandeur' and his statement doesn't support that. Unless you believe that anyone leaving some sort of letter behind has 'delusions of grandeur'. Knowing 'why' doesn't really tell you why...but most people feel obligated to leave some sort of message.

Most soldiers today (aside from insurgents) aren't into the idea of dying, let alone for a cause.

And yet, my reference to soldiers was completely unrelated to the post you quoted. How DK of you.

He's killing himself. His reasons might be different than some people's, but in the end, he's just given up. Whether someone ends their life because of depression caused by family strife, or political despair, it really doesn't matter. I don't think either have 'delusions of grandeur' and his statement doesn't support that. Unless you believe that anyone leaving some sort of letter behind has 'delusions of grandeur'. Knowing 'why' doesn't really tell you why...but most people feel obligated to leave some sort of message.

If he thinks he's stopping the war by doing this, and if he thinks most people give a shit, he's delusional. Just as delusional as the guy who shot up VT and thought we gave a shit about him.

People just drove by the last guy to do this, and didn't even call 911. He roasted to a cinder for nothing.

And yet, my reference to soldiers was completely unrelated to the post you quoted. How DK of you.

Are we not in a continuous conversation? Or am I supposed to quote each separately and neatly.

I assume that you'll be able to keep up...

On May 3rd, 2007, at 3:07 PM PST in front of a busy gas station in Livermore, CA, I am going to kill myself for peace to prove the futility of fighting a War for Peace. Shortly afterwards, I will read a statement regarding my sacrifice. It will basically say, "Christ died for peace."
How the fuck does he plan to do that?

I added a letter T to the bolded statement. One letter... makes a difference! But would a suicide?

Wow, I never even heard about the first guy until just now, and I work in Cook County.

This is just another suicidal brat that needs a reason to justify what he'd probably do anyway. My more compassionate side wants to see him get help, but the more dominant, non-compassionate Darwinist says let him go.

If he thinks he's stopping the war by doing this, and if he thinks most people give a shit, he's delusional. Just as delusional as the guy who shot up VT and thought we gave a shit about him.

"If he thinks, if he thinks"...his statement says nothing of the support. He is simply outlining his reasons for wishing to end his life. Nothing delusional about it. Why does anyone commit suicide?

It's beyond unlikely that he thinks his death will do any of the things you've attributed to him believing. Nonetheless, your comparison to the VT shooter is asinine beyond belief. At least this one isn't taking anyone else out with him.

People just drove by the last guy to do this, and didn't even call 911. He roasted to a cinder for nothing.
Yet people heard about it after the fact. And I'm sure a lot of people simply shrugged and said, 'what a disturbed individual'. But how many others were disquieted by the reasons for it? So you aren't. Who cares? He must have realised he couldn't reach everyone.

You noticed. Maybe it's enough.

Nobody should notice. If something like that actually created a ruckus, people would begin to imitate this nonsense.

Are we not in a continuous conversation? Or am I supposed to quote each separately and neatly.

I assume that you'll be able to keep up...

And I assume that, as usual, you will take things out of context in order to insert your nonsense comments. Continue on, your irrelevance is always amusing.

Wow, I never even heard about the first guy until just now, and I work in Cook County.

This is just another suicidal brat that needs a reason to justify what he'd probably do anyway. My more compassionate side wants to see him get help, but the more dominant, non-compassionate Darwinist says let him go.

- bolded part my emphasis

I told you, the majority of people don't give a shit about people like this - they die a silent, ignored, useless, stinking, painful death and it takes DAYS for the cops to figure out who the ashpile used to be - because no relatives are even looking for the guy.

And I assume that, as usual, you will take things out of context in order to insert your nonsense comments. Continue on, your irrelevance is always amusing.

Anything out of context so far?

Ugh. The guy can't even make a proper baseball analogy. That on top of just giving up on life is just unforgivable.

Anything out of context so far?
Unless you've created a context for your comment on soldiers, in reference to the post you replied to...then yes.

I don't consider someone killing themselves out of despair any less worthy of my sympathy.

There is a huge difference between a subsistence farmer in a third world country on the edge of poverty, beset with civil war on all sides, killing himself out of despair, and some middle class american kid setting himself on fire because he is having a hissy fit 'cos he can't get his own way.

I do have sympathy for one of those cases.

Unless you've created a context for your comment on soldiers, in reference to the post you replied to...then yes.

You created the context. You implied that soldiers die for a cause. Of course, now you'll deny it.

- bolded part my emphasis

I told you, the majority of people don't give a shit about people like this - they die a silent, ignored, useless, stinking, painful death and it takes DAYS for the cops to figure out who the ashpile used to be - because no relatives are even looking for the guy.

I find it interesting that you hold so much hostility towards someone who killed himself. Did you lose someone to suicide? The anger you're expressing is pretty common in that situation.

I find it interesting that you hold so much hostility towards someone who killed himself. Did you lose someone to suicide? The anger you're expressing is pretty common in that situation.

Nope. I have a deep hatred of emo kids though.

As far as I'm concerned, if someone is committing suicide to get attention, the state should step in and off them before they change their minds.

There is a huge difference between a subsistence farmer in a third world country on the edge of poverty, beset with civil war on all sides, killing himself out of despair, and some middle class american kid setting himself on fire because he is having a hissy fit 'cos he can't get his own way.

I do have sympathy for one of those cases.

Being middle class in America doesn't make you any more immune to despair than anyone else. That you feel fit to externally judge someone else's 'right' to feel that way, and judge who gets to kill themselves and be seen sympathetically and who does not...is interesting, to say the least.

As far as I'm concerned, if someone is committing suicide to get attention, the state should step in and off them before they change their minds.

Yes, because that's a smart idea....:rolleyes:

You created the context. You implied that soldiers die for a cause. Of course, now you'll deny it.

I'm sorry you have so much difficulty separating ideas from one another.

Go back and read my posts. The one had nothing to do with the other. When I think about dying for a cause, I don't think of committing suicide...I think of having no choice but to face aggression in order to stand up for what you believe in. If that context makes you think of soldiers, that's fine...but soldiers are rarely on my mind.

You created the context. You implied that soldiers die for a cause.

Of course soldiers die for a cause, that's what being a soldier is all about.

Rarely, however, do they die for their own cause. Typically they are tools for someone else's cause.

Frankly only an idiot could draw any other inference from her comment.

Nobody should notice. If something like that actually created a ruckus, people would begin to imitate this nonsense.

I have no problem with people imitating this nonsense.

Of course soldiers die for a cause, that's what being a soldier is all about.

No, it isn't. Obviously, you've never been one.

Nope. I have a deep hatred of emo kids though. So people out of their teens, intending to kill themselves...they get your sympathy? Oh wait, you've already declared that to be untrue. So what's your point exactly? You seem to have a problem with the reasons some people kill themselves. Why is that, exactly? Suicide is an intensely personal decision...there really isn't a more personal decision out there. How do you feel qualified to judge when that decision is 'worthy' or not?

Being middle class in America doesn't make you any more immune to despair than anyone else. That you feel fit to externally judge someone else's 'right' to feel that way, and judge who gets to kill themselves and be seen sympathetically and who does not...is interesting, to say the least.

I guess you'll say Lacadaemon is full of hostility, too.

No, we're just tired of whining kids who are unaware of their level of wealth and privilege.

Being middle class in America doesn't make you any more immune to despair than anyone else. That you feel fit to externally judge someone else's 'right' to feel that way, and judge who gets to kill themselves and be seen sympathetically and who does not...is interesting, to say the least.

Being middle class does make you more immune to despair. Any despair you are suffering (outside of a life trauma like losing a relative) is just pure drama queening.

This kid has a lifestyle that 99% of the world would give parts of their reproductive system to enjoy, and he's going to off himself because 'people' won't listen to him about stopping the war. Plus, if it hadn't been this, it would have been over his girlfriend or because nobody liked his poetry or some such.

I guess you'll say Lacadaemon is full of hostility, too.

No, we're just tired of whining kids who are unaware of their level of wealth and privilege.

so wealth and privilege a happy person make?

So people out of their teens, intending to kill themselves...they get your sympathy? Oh wait, you've already declared that to be untrue. So what's your point exactly? You seem to have a problem with the reasons some people kill themselves. Why is that, exactly? Suicide is an intensely personal decision...there really isn't a more personal decision out there. How do you feel qualified to judge when that decision is 'worthy' or not?

Obviously, the state at some level disagrees with you.

The state (and I include nearly all governments) believe that an individual has no right to make such a decision about themselves.

So, on that basis, I feel qualified to judge that this particular instance (and the previous one like it) are completely stupid.

I guess you'll say Lacadaemon is full of hostility, too.

No, we're just tired of whining kids who are unaware of their level of wealth and privilege.

It's no more pathetic than those who believe 'wealth and privilege' can offset the feeling of spiritual or emotional bankruptcy.

so wealth and privilege a happy person make?

No, but it removes any sympathy I have.

I have no problem with people imitating this nonsense.

Ok, why don't you begin?

so wealth and privilege a happy person make?

No. But wealth and privilege sure take away a lot of the reasons to be miserable. (Like starvation and not having access to clean drinking water or medicine).

If he wants to make himself feel better he should do some charity work. Not play human torch.

No, but it removes any sympathy I have.

I was unaware anyone asked for it

No, it isn't.

Bullshit it isn't.

Obviously, you've never been one.

Are you going to pretend to be a soldier in this life? What's the matter Kimchi? Pretending to be a lawyer too difficult and too easy to fuck up so you're sticking with the story of pretending to be a soldier because it's easier to fake?

No, but it removes any sympathy I have.

No. But wealth and privilege sure take away a lot of the reasons to be miserable. (Like starvation and not having access to clean drinking water or medicine).

If he wants to make himself feel better he should do some charity work. Not play human torch.

so you both think that money can buy happiness? interesting.

Being middle class does make you more immune to despair. Any despair you are suffering (outside of a life trauma like losing a relative) is just pure drama queening.

This kid has a lifestyle that 99% of the world would give parts of their reproductive system to enjoy, and he's going to off himself because 'people' won't listen to him about stopping the war. Plus, if it hadn't been this, it would have been over his girlfriend or because nobody liked his poetry or some such.

I kill myself because I'm in an abusive relationship.

I kill myself because despite living in a land of 'wealth' I've been teetering on the brink of poverty since birth.

I kill myself because I am severely, clinically depressed.

I kill myself because I lost a loved one.

I kill myself because I can't stand to live in a world like this one.

It doesn't matter where you live, who you are, what your socio-economic status or position in life is. All of these reasons are valid.

You don't understand why someone else makes that decision. You might be able to glean some information from external factors, you might be able to guess...but you don't understand. Why? Because you've never hit that wall, and got to the point where you just want it to end. Ridiculing someone who feels hurt and lost enough to end their own lives, because you think their reasons are silly, is blindness on your part. That's fine. Admit you don't get it. But don't pretend you do...and then declare someone's reasons 'unworthy'.

Obviously, the state at some level disagrees with you.

The state (and I include nearly all governments) believe that an individual has no right to make such a decision about themselves.

So, on that basis, I feel qualified to judge that this particular instance (and the previous one like it) are completely stupid.

The state believes you don't have the right to help someone make that choice, or help them carry it out.

That's a far cry from saying you don't have the right to make the choice at all.

Ok, why don't you begin?

Because it's not right for me. I'm not motivated to kill myself over anything. For those who do want to die in order to protest war or racism or taxes or whatever, go right ahead. None of my business. There are too many people on this planet anyway.

so you both think that money can buy happiness? interesting.

I didn't say that.

Are you going to pretend to be a soldier in this life? What's the matter Kimchi? Pretending to be a lawyer too difficult and too easy to fuck up so you're sticking with the story of pretending to be a soldier because it's easier to fake?

Yes, careful with that...we've had people pretending to have served before who were very embarrassingly outed...

so you both think that money can buy happiness? interesting.

It can't buy happiness, but being financially secure goes a long way toward making happiness possible.

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?Feed=AP&Date=20061126&ID=6223878

Does money buy happiness? It's sometimes said that scientists have found no relationship between money and happiness, but that's a myth, says University of Illinois psychologist Ed Diener.

The connection is complex, he says. But in fact, very rich people rate substantially higher in satisfaction with life than very poor people do, even within wealthy nations, he says

I didn't say that.

you said being wealthy removes the reasons to be miserable. surely that means that wealth buys happiness? if a wealthy person can't be unhappy enough to be suicidal?

well, first, since it´s overdue..... did he?

second. if he did, I WILL respect him, because he is able to either ressurect or return in some way:

On May 3rd, 2007, at 3:07 PM PST in front of a busy gas station in Livermore, CA, I am going to kill myself for peace to prove the futility of fighting a War for Peace. Shortly afterwards, I will read a statement regarding my sacrifice. It will basically say, "Chris died for peace."

:shock:

I kill myself because I'm in an abusive relationship.

I kill myself because despite living in a land of 'wealth' I've been teetering on the brink of poverty since birth.

I kill myself because I am severely, clinically depressed.

I kill myself because I lost a loved one.

I kill myself because I can't stand to live in a world like this one.

It doesn't matter where you live, who you are, what your socio-economic status or position in life is. All of these reasons are valid.

You don't understand why someone else makes that decision. You might be able to glean some information from external factors, you might be able to guess...but you don't understand. Why? Because you've never hit that wall, and got to the point where you just want it to end. Ridiculing someone who feels hurt and lost enough to end their own lives, because you think their reasons are silly, is blindness on your part. That's fine. Admit you don't get it. But don't pretend you do...and then declare someone's reasons 'unworthy'.

He's not killing himself for any of those reasons though is he? He's killing himself because he wants the attention.

He's not killing himself for any of those reasons though is he? He's killing himself because he wants the attention.

how do you know that?

you said being wealthy removes the reasons to be miserable. surely that means that wealth buys happiness? if a wealthy person can't be unhappy enough to be suicidal?

No. I said it takes away a lot of the reasons to be miserable. I never said it removes them all, or that it will make you happy.

But honestly, if you are above the median income in the US and are not in an abusive relationship, chronically ill or something and are still generally miserable then you probably just have a bad attitude about life.

He's not killing himself for any of those reasons though is he? He's killing himself because he wants the attention.

Really? Amazing...you can divine his reasons, totally at odds even with what he's stated...you can reach into his mind and figure out that getting attention is his reason for ending his life?

You still truly believe you get it? That's beyond arrogant.

Getting attention is ancillary to his reasons...reasons which you do not understand, yet feel qualified to mock because of his implied socio-economic status. But since you are such a consummate mind reader, how about reading my mind, and divining what I think of you at this moment?

how do you know that?

Because he put it on a web page, and advertised for an audience. It sort of tips me off.

No. I said it takes away a lot of the reasons to be miserable. I never said it removes them all, or that it will make you happy.

But honestly, if you are above the median income in the US and are not in an abusive relationship, chronically ill or something and are still generally miserable then you probably just have a bad attitude about life.

Or, you know, have a chemical imbalance completely out of your control.

Oh, I forgot, the solution to all mental issues to "just cheer up already"

he's going to organize every seance in the nation to "tune in" the day after he does the deed.

EDIT: oh and I like how he blames 9/11 on the Americans. :rolleyes:

I just had to explain this: He does not blame 9/11 on the Americans, he is only comparing those 4 events to the "3 strikes and you're out" rule of baseball. It was our leader's incompetence that allowed 9/11 to happen, but those who actually piloted the planes and masterminded the plan were not Americans. As he does not give any indication that he blames 9/11 on the Americans, I find it an illogical conclusion.

Because he put it on a web page, and advertised for an audience. It sort of tips me off.

some would call that a suicide note.

No. I said it takes away a lot of the reasons to be miserable. I never said it removes them all, or that it will make you happy.

But honestly, if you are above the median income in the US and are not in an abusive relationship, chronically ill or something and are still generally miserable then you probably just have a bad attitude about life.
There are no other reasons to be miserable enough to kill yourself? Truly? I can think of half a dozen more, just off the top of my head. How about:

1) trouble at home
2) being bullied
3) relationship break-up
4) not getting into university/college/technical training
5) moving away from social supports
6) losing someone to suicide

There are a myriad of 'triggers'. Very few people casually off themselves.

I seriously suggest you call a suicide hotline and get a little education. In addition to suicide-prevention, almost all of these services provide such education, for free. Suicide is probably one of THE most misunderstood causes of death out there.

Because he put it on a web page, and advertised for an audience. It sort of tips me off.

Like suicide notes? Like farewell emails? Attention whores. People should just leave us all in the dark as to why they decided to take their own lives. That makes it so much easier on the ones they leave behind.

some would call that a suicide note.

Most notes aren't shown off for the world to see. This does seem to be an attempt to grab attention for himself.

Most notes aren't shown off for the world to see. This does seem to be an attempt to grab attention for himself.

This isn't any different than leaving a letter on facebook or myspace...we have no idea how his 'letter' got spread. People grab onto things and pass it around. It's going to be more common now that many goodbye letters are in digital form.

Even people who want to end their lives, still generally want people to know they've gone. Obsessing over that, imagining people's reactions to the news, is fairly common.

Now let me guess...you think that suicide attempts constitute attention whoring too.

Oh and as for triggers? Notice he mentions he used to attend a post-secondary institution before it became too expensive?

Most notes aren't shown off for the world to see. This does seem to be an attempt to grab attention for himself.Making your suicide a political statement is kind of hard to do if nobody knows about it.

Making your suicide a political statement is kind of hard to do if nobody knows about it.

Apparently you aren't supposed to kill yourself for your beliefs.

I just had to explain this: He does not blame 9/11 on the Americans, he is only comparing those 4 events to the "3 strikes and you're out" rule of baseball. It was our leader's incompetence that allowed 9/11 to happen, but those who actually piloted the planes and masterminded the plan were not Americans. As he does not give any indication that he blames 9/11 on the Americans, I find it an illogical conclusion.err... wrong. it wasn't the President's fault. but the fault of the intelligence community. but that is an argument for another thread.

My name is Christopher. My name means, "Bearer of Christ." I attended UC Santa Cruz until it became too expensive for my family to afford. Americans like baseball, so let me try to explain myself with a baseball analogy: 9/11 was strike 1, the War was strike 2, Katrina was strike 3, and Virginia Tech was too much. No more for me. I don't want to play anymore. the President had nothing to do with Virginia Tech also... so saying he's blaming the President also doesn't hold water.

there are other things in his... suicide note... that also shows his state of mind.

but intead of going into the nitty-gritty, I think we can agree that he is, at least, off his rocker.

Apparently you aren't supposed to kill yourself for your beliefs.

am I the only one who is annoyed that people have set up in their minds "valid" reasons for committing suicide? I mean if they are truly interested in human rights and do the whole 'my body my choice' thing, shouldn't people be allowed to off themselves for any reason they want?

am I the only one who is annoyed that people have set up in their minds "valid" reasons for committing suicide? I mean if they are truly interested in human rights and do the whole 'my body my choice' thing, shouldn't people be allowed to off themselves for any reason they want?

That's pretty much my take on it.

But why pass up a chance to ridicule someone else's misery? I just happen to be sensitive to suicide, having lost so many people to it. That and working suicide crisis. So maybe I'm just not seeing the ha-ha factor here.

Because it's not right for me. I'm not motivated to kill myself over anything. For those who do want to die in order to protest war or racism or taxes or whatever, go right ahead. None of my business. There are too many people on this planet anyway.

But why advertise this behaviour to people who wouldn't think of offing themselves otherwise?



(Yeah, I seem to have a monotonous way of putting my arguments today)

Apparently you aren't supposed to kill yourself for your beliefs.

It's not useful if few, if any people, give a flying fuck.

I have this mental picture of people just driving by, watching the flames, and not paying attention, just like the last guy.

And the fire department hosing his ashes into the gutter.

I wonder if you can cook Jiffy Pop over a burning hippy carcass?

Seeing as how he posted it a week early and left a bit of personal info, I'm feeling he's hoping someone stops him and he gets to get on the news. It's not a suicide note, it's a fairly creative cry for help.

I'm all for suicide. People, myself included, are mostly petty, small-minded creatures and are far too common for my tastes. If you want to go, go. Maybe being a rotting carcass is more your style. If you're going to do it for a cause, though, go elaborate. Setting yourself on fire is a good one. You have to really, really mean that shit to burn yourself to the ground or douse yourself in acid.

I've got Ankylosing Spondilitys, and eventually my spine is going to fuse into a big, ugly block. At 23 I still live a very, very active and fulfilling life. I am furiously alive. But, I'm already in alot of agony, and as I get older it's going to get exponentially worse. I hope that once the time comes I have the courage to hug my kids (And hopefully grandkids by then), kiss my wife, tell them all how proud they've made me, and step out of this life before I become a burden or I become too invalid to live.

If living has become tedious, do it.

My money is that this kid is already caught and is drinking coffee with a therapist even now.

It's not useful if few, if any people, give a flying fuck.

I have this mental picture of people just driving by, watching the flames, and not paying attention, just like the last guy.

And the fire department hosing his ashes into the gutter.

It's not useful to protest or resist in anyway if few, or any people give a flying fuck. Isn't that the extension of your argument?

Apparently you aren't supposed to kill yourself for your beliefs.I noticed.

am I the only one who is annoyed that people have set up in their minds "valid" reasons for committing suicide? I mean if they are truly interested in human rights and do the whole 'my body my choice' thing, shouldn't people be allowed to off themselves for any reason they want?No, you're not.

That's pretty much my take on it.

But why pass up a chance to ridicule someone else's misery? I just happen to be sensitive to suicide, having lost so many people to it. That and working suicide crisis. So maybe I'm just not seeing the ha-ha factor here.I never had anyone close to me commit suicide and yet I certainly don't see the ha-ha factor here, either.

It's not useful if few, if any people, give a flying fuck.So what exactly is your problem? Are you bemoaning the lack of attention because otherwise his death would be useful? Or are you just here to point and laugh because someone has the actual guts to set himself on fire because he believes, however naively, that he can change something by doing it?

I wonder if you can cook Jiffy Pop over a burning hippy carcass?Actually, nevermind my question.

You disgust me. Not exactly a newsflash, either.

I wonder if you can cook Jiffy Pop over a burning hippy carcass?

oooooh, you're such a badass! I bet you wear a leather jacket and ride a motorcycle. You must be the most popular kid in school.

oooooh, you're such a badass! I bet you wear a leather jacket and ride a motorcycle. You must be the most popular kid in school.

Oh, but I see the ha-ha factor here :D

But why advertise this behaviour to people who wouldn't think of offing themselves otherwise?



(Yeah, I seem to have a monotonous way of putting my arguments today)

Because it's good filler for a slow news day. Gives us something to post about.

I wonder if you can cook Jiffy Pop over a burning hippy carcass?

... no.

the flame won't be hot enough nor long enough.

and for the few kernals that do pop... you don't want to eat it since burnt human flesh does nothing good to the taste.



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what... he asked... :p

I applaud his moral commitment. Something lit a fire in him! *tries to keep a straight face*

It's sad, it's bad, but may I remind people he'd setting him self on fire...
out side a PETROL (GAS) STATION, he'd not only kill himself, but if he even gets too close, he'd possibly set the thing alight, he'd kill hundreds if that went off in one go.

That's pretty much my take on it.

But why pass up a chance to ridicule someone else's misery? I just happen to be sensitive to suicide, having lost so many people to it. That and working suicide crisis. So maybe I'm just not seeing the ha-ha factor here.

I have some experience with it as well.

It's sad, it's bad, but may I remind people he'd setting him self on fire...
out side a PETROL (GAS) STATION, he'd not only kill himself, but if he even gets too close, he'd possibly set the thing alight, he'd kill hundreds if that went off in one go.

... which brings up the question... if that did happen, would people be calling for the station's employees heads since they are supposed to keep an eye out for that sorta thing?

after all, the station is supposed to have all these wonderful safety devices in place... including fire extinguishers...

"See? See?! SEE THAT GUY OVER HERE?? He thinks he can get attention. Why the gall, making a political statement by killing himself.

And nobody will notice, nobody will know... See that guy on the website I've linked too? Nobody will know that he's dead.

I don't care about him at all, actually I care about him so little that I made this thread declaring that I DON'T CARE about this guy over there, see him, that guy, whom NOBODY will notice - especially not after I've made this thread!!!1!1!!Eleventy-eight!" :rolleyes:

Oh yes, and insert crude and amazingly stupid (I won't say insensitive) jokes about suicide here.

I'm fucking done with this thread.

*Whacks thread with duck*

I kill myself because I'm in an abusive relationship.

I kill myself because despite living in a land of 'wealth' I've been teetering on the brink of poverty since birth.

I kill myself because I am severely, clinically depressed.

I kill myself because I lost a loved one.

I kill myself because I can't stand to live in a world like this one.

It doesn't matter where you live, who you are, what your socio-economic status or position in life is. All of these reasons are valid.

You don't understand why someone else makes that decision. You might be able to glean some information from external factors, you might be able to guess...but you don't understand. Why? Because you've never hit that wall, and got to the point where you just want it to end. Ridiculing someone who feels hurt and lost enough to end their own lives, because you think their reasons are silly, is blindness on your part. That's fine. Admit you don't get it. But don't pretend you do...and then declare someone's reasons 'unworthy'.

Bravo!!

It can't buy happiness, but being financially secure goes a long way toward making happiness possible.

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?Feed=AP&Date=20061126&ID=6223878

And... Voila!
Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/work/2004/09/21/cx_mh_0921happiness.html)
I can manipulate statistics, too!:)

So, is this guy a peaceful corpse, or does he continue to live as just another shit int he shit storm that is humanity?

Nobody should notice. If something like that actually created a ruckus, people would begin to imitate this nonsense.

Maybe it's not as nonsensical as you apparently feel it to be.

He's probably not sane. Generally, it reads like someone not quite right in the head. It would be best for him to receive psychological care now, rather than killing himself.