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Terrible Music Related News

Ifreann
03-05-2007, 10:11
Dear Pandora listener,

Today we have some extremely disappointing news to share with you. Due to international licensing constraints, we are deeply, deeply sorry to say that we must begin proactively preventing access to Pandora's streaming service for most countries outside of the U.S.

It is difficult to convey just how disappointing this is for us. Our vision remains to eventually make Pandora a truly global service, but for the time being, we can no longer continue as we have been. As a small company, the best chance we have of realizing our dream of Pandora all around the world is to grow as the licensing landscape allows.

We show your IP address is '<snipped>', which indicates you are listening from Ireland. If you believe you are seeing this by mistake, we offer our sincere apologies and ask that you please reply to this email.

Delivery of Pandora is based on proper licensing from the people who created the music - we have always believed in honoring the guidelines as determined by legislators and regulators, artists and songwriters, and the labels and publishers they work with. In the U.S. there is a federal statute that provides this license for all the music streamed on Pandora. Unfortunately, there is no equivalent license outside the U.S. and there is no global licensing organization to enable us to legitimately offer Pandora around the world. Other than in the U.K., we have not yet been able to make significant progress in our efforts to obtain a sufficient number of international licenses at terms that would enable us to run a viable business. The volume of listening on Pandora makes it a very expensive service to run. Streaming costs are very high, and since our inception, we have been making publishing and performance royalty payments for every song we play.

Until now, we have not been able to tell where a listener is based, relying only on zip code information provided upon registration. [highlght]We are now able to recognize a listener's country of origin based on the IP address from which they are accessing the service. Consequently, on May 3rd, we will begin blocking access to Pandora to listeners from your country.[/highlight] We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.

We will be posting updates on our blog (http://blog.pandora.com/pandora/) regarding our ongoing effort to launch in other countries, so please stay in touch. We will keep a record of your existing stations and bookmarked artists and songs, so that when we are able to launch in your country, they will be waiting for you. We deeply share your sense of disappointment and greatly appreciate your understanding.
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-Tim Westergren
(Pandora founder)

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No more Pandora outside the US. This sucks greatly, being able to listen to Pandora compensated for my laptop's hard drive being far too puny to hold much music.
Philosopy
03-05-2007, 10:13
What's Pandora?
Ifreann
03-05-2007, 10:40
What's Pandora?

http://www.pandora.com/
Free interweb radio. You tell it what you like and it plays similiar stuff for you. The have about 43 metric assloads of music.
Barringtonia
03-05-2007, 10:44
Try going through this...

http://www.proxyblind.org/

It should circumvent the IP issue
Ifreann
03-05-2007, 10:59
Try going through this...

http://www.proxyblind.org/

It should circumvent the IP issue

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Peepelonia
03-05-2007, 12:56
What's Pandora?

It's shit, use Last.FM instead.
Heretichia
03-05-2007, 13:02
Truly a tragedy. It sucks to have to circumvent the system just to be able to use one of the nets greatest services. I can't understand the music industry, I just can't! They're shooting themselves in the foot with this kind of shit.
Pure Metal
03-05-2007, 13:03
is this related to the internet radio thread from the other day?


last.fm rules :)
The_pantless_hero
03-05-2007, 13:30
No more Pandora outside the US. This sucks greatly, being able to listen to Pandora compensated for my laptop's hard drive being far too puny to hold much music.
Give it less than a year and there will be no more Pandora period. Soon as the RIAA lobby gets the "make online streaming radio pay overpriced royalties on every song streamed (retroactively for a couple years for good measure)" legislation through a Congress filled with technologically-challenged fucktards.
I V Stalin
03-05-2007, 13:31
Try going through this...

http://www.proxyblind.org/

It should circumvent the IP issue
You, sir, are a God. :)
Kinda Sensible people
03-05-2007, 13:41
Give it less than a year and there will be no more Pandora period. Soon as the RIAA lobby gets the "make online streaming radio pay overpriced royalties on every song streamed (retroactively for a couple years for good measure)" legislation through a Congress filled with technologically-challenged fucktards.

The RIAA's Iron Triangle is struggling a little, since my district's representative presented a bill to override the royalties descision. I was so proud. Until I realized that that was about the best thing to his name in his whole time in the House... :p
Call to power
03-05-2007, 14:50
never has there been a better time to be English :p
Aelosia
03-05-2007, 15:21
Weird. I am using right now, and I am not in the US. I listen to Pandora all the time
Zarakon
03-05-2007, 22:27
Weird. I am using right now, and I am not in the US. I listen to Pandora all the time

Are you using a proxy?
Minaris
03-05-2007, 22:30
Give it less than a year and there will be no more Pandora period. Soon as the RIAA lobby gets the "make online streaming radio pay overpriced royalties on every song streamed (retroactively for a couple years for good measure)" legislation through a Congress filled with technologically-challenged fucktards.

:mad:

Why can't the RIAA just let us be?
Ultraviolent Radiation
03-05-2007, 22:31
:mad:

Why can't the RIAA just let us be?

Because people let them be.
Minaris
03-05-2007, 22:32
Because people let them be.

Good point. I wish there was a more libertarian party/group with power in Congress to combat this.
Joethesandwich
03-05-2007, 22:34
because copyright law protects artists and music companies

by circumventing it your are weakening the industry


thats why the RIAA can't just let you be
Posi
03-05-2007, 22:35
Use Tor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29). You get a new IP everytime you load a website. Odds are, you'll appear American most of the time.
Minaris
03-05-2007, 22:37
because copyright law protects artists and music companies

by circumventing it your are weakening the industry


thats why the RIAA can't just let you be

I'm just curious: Do you agree with the RIAA on this?

Just gotta ask b/c these days you can never quite tell.
Joethesandwich
03-05-2007, 22:49
i agree with the RIAA

they can seem a little strict however

that is why i think many people oppose them
Sane Outcasts
03-05-2007, 22:56
i agree with the RIAA

they can seem a little strict however

that is why i think many people oppose them

Strict? They rewrote the royalty structure imposed on internet radio to charge per song and made it retroactive over 2006. Internet radio already paid a higher percentage of revenue than satellite radio, now they have to deal with increases in royalty fees of 300-1200%.

That's not being strict, that's just arbitrary and unjustified, especially since many internet radio sites don't charge a subscription fee. Free sites like Pandora are royally screwed by this move, so now they're blocking ISP's from outside the U.S. to save on royalties.
The_pantless_hero
03-05-2007, 23:05
i agree with the RIAA

they can seem a little strict however
The Vatican can seem a little prudish too.