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## Are you a good person?

Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 14:44
Just vote.
Khadgar
02-05-2007, 14:45
No poll. You fail.
Ifreann
02-05-2007, 14:45
I'm the best person. You all suck compared to me.
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 14:47
I really don't think there is a such thing as a "good person".
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 14:47
No poll. You fail.

Yes poll. YOU fail. :p
SaintB
02-05-2007, 14:48
Well... no matter who someone is I'm sure they see the way they do things as right and good... so its kind of a redundant question no? You'd have to have other people's thoughts about it...
Kanabia
02-05-2007, 14:48
"Just vote!"? No!

Define a "good person" first. :)
The Parkus Empire
02-05-2007, 14:48
Just vote.

Please define "good". My definition of "good" is summed-up is Discourses by Machiavelli.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 14:48
I really don't think there is a such thing as a "good person".

I was thinking of you when I made that option. :fluffle:
Telesha
02-05-2007, 14:49
I am the epitome of all things wrong and evil with the world.
Ashmoria
02-05-2007, 14:49
doesnt pretty much everyone think that they are a good person, even the ax murderers? (he needed killin')

and wouldnt it also depend on my definition of "good"?

i dont really think of myself in those terms at all.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 14:49
Please define "good". My definition of "good" is summed-up is Discourses by Machiavelli.

Define "good"?
Are you barking mad?
That would completely distort the results! I want to be scientific here.
Myu in the Middle
02-05-2007, 14:50
I'm certainly not a moral person, but I like to think I act with the interests of others in mind.
The Parkus Empire
02-05-2007, 14:51
Define "good"?
Are you barking mad?
That would completely distort the results! I want to be scientific here.

Scientifically "good" does not exist. The closest thing to the science of "good" was the work I stated above.
Kanabia
02-05-2007, 14:52
doesnt pretty much everyone think that they are a good person, even the ax murderers? (he needed killin')

Indeed. Many of the people who fit a classical definition of "evil" thought they were doing the right thing.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 14:52
I am the epitome of all things wrong and evil with the world.

That would have been an option if we could just have bigger polls. :(
Barringtonia
02-05-2007, 14:52
In Soviet Yoda, good person are you.
Delator
02-05-2007, 14:53
Are you a good person?

Short answer...yes, with an "if".

Long answer...no, with a "but".

;)
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 14:54
Scientifically "good" does not exist. The closest thing to the science of "good" was the work I stated above.

You voted MWWArrharHar then? As in, evil maniacal laugh intended to strike fear into the hearts of ... neurotic hamsters.
You DID vote, didn't you? Otherwise you are OFF-TOPIC, punishable by canonization.
Remote Observer
02-05-2007, 14:55
I really don't think there is a such thing as a "good person".

Well, I eat the chopped up aborted fetuses from the abortions that liberal women have, and I reprogram Diebold voting machines so Republicans win, and I look for new and interesting ways to deprive people of their civil rights while staying within the framework of the law (until the Supreme Court catches me, which might be never), and I'm all for tolerance as long as it doesn't involve me, so yeah, I'm pretty "good" at all that, so yeah, "I'm good".

What a silly question.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 14:56
In Soviet Yoda, good person are you.

No sense that makes. Very are silly you. :p
Ashmoria
02-05-2007, 14:57
Indeed. Many of the people who fit a classical definition of "evil" thought they were doing the right thing.

exactly.

then you have the ultra good but guilt ridden types who see their extremely minor failings as proof that they are inherently evil. (what good person would so callously step on an ant?)
The Parkus Empire
02-05-2007, 14:57
You voted MWWArrharHar then? As in, evil maniacal laugh intended to strike fear into the hearts of ... neurotic hamsters.
You DID vote, didn't you? Otherwise you are OFF-TOPIC, punishable by canonization.

Yes I voted berfore I posted, respecting your request. I voted the top option.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 14:58
What a silly question.

Excellent point. I'll go to a mod and try to make it smarter. Any suggestions?
Bottle
02-05-2007, 14:59
Just vote.
According to whom?

According to myself, I'd say I'm about a 7 out of ten. I don't always hit the standards I set for myself, but I try.

According to the average person in my country, I am a bad person.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 15:00
Yes I voted berfore I posted, respecting your request. I voted the top option.

You win the thread! Congratulations!

All you other losers can go now. Thanks for voting.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 15:04
According to whom?

According to myself, I'd say I'm about a 7 out of ten. I don't always hit the standards I set for myself, but I try.

So I calibrated the options fairly well. "Sort of, I try" is actually option 7 (from the bottom, goodness out of 9)

How does it feel to be the control in my experiment? :)
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 15:04
then you have the ultra good but guilt ridden types who see their extremely minor failings as proof that they are inherently evil. (what good person would so callously step on an ant?)
what good person would so callously step on an ant?
The Tribes Of Longton
02-05-2007, 15:07
I'm a shit.
Remote Observer
02-05-2007, 15:07
I'm a shit.

You don't smell like it.
The Tribes Of Longton
02-05-2007, 15:08
You don't smell like it.
Febreeze.
Isidoor
02-05-2007, 15:09
what good person would so callously step on an ant?

maybe that person was trying to save 4 kittens from drowning and didn't watch where (s)he was stepping?
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 15:11
I'm a shit.

You can still vote. If you're good shit, vote for "I'm a good person." If you're bad shit, vote for "No", etc.

Shits are people too!
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 15:12
maybe that person was trying to save 4 kittens from drowning and didn't watch where (s)he was stepping?

while the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one, an ant has an entire colony to provide for, and kittens just pounce and sleep.....besides, you should always watch where you are going, such careless disregard for life is not something a good person possesses. (geez, there's a lot of "s"s in possesses)
Extreme Ironing
02-05-2007, 15:22
I dont think of myself as a good person. I wouldnt generally say I am bad either, but I would go that side if pushed to say. Its not like I am immoral or rude or something, I just do not think positively of myself, ever.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 15:24
I dont think of myself as a good person. I wouldnt generally say I am bad either, but I would go that side if pushed to say. Its not like I am immoral or rude or something, I just do not think positively of myself, ever.

Fair enough. Your choice, I think.

Actually I lean that way. If I think about it at all, I worry that I'm bad, which isn't quite the same as thinking I'm bad. It's more the direction I'm headed that's a worry than stuff from the past.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 15:38
while the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one, an ant has an entire colony to provide for, and kittens just pounce and sleep.....besides, you should always watch where you are going, such careless disregard for life is not something a good person possesses. (geez, there's a lot of "s"s in possesses)

Five "s"s in fact. Or if you write it like this: 5 S's, that makes SIX! Six starts with an "s" too ... OMG! Snakes! They're coming for me! Possessed snakes, with "s"s at each end! EEK!

*deep breathes*

I haven't actually done anything wrong. Or not much. At least compared to Hitler. So that's good ... :)
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 15:40
I haven't actually done anything wrong.
yes you have.
Or not much.
yes you have.
At least compared to Hitler. So that's good ... :)
I try not to compare myself to others, it leads to rationalization.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 15:47
yes you have.
Uh, I made a post with far too many "s"s in it. You mean that?

I try not to compare myself to others, it leads to rationalization.
Like the rationalization that follows corporate mergers? Redundancy, like? Er ... letting people go?

People really want to go you know. This world is a vale of tears ;)
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 15:49
Like the rationalization that follows corporate mergers? Redundancy, like? Er ... letting people go?

People really want to go you know. This world is a vale of tears ;)

like this

"did you steal that money?"
"yeah"
"that's wrong"
"I know, but it's not like I exterminated a whole people group for stupid reasons"
Ashmoria
02-05-2007, 15:51
what good person would so callously step on an ant?

sometimes you just are too involved with your own life and dont even notice the poor little ant just trying to get along. you beast!
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 15:54
sometimes you just are too involved with your own life and dont even notice the poor little ant just trying to get along. you beast!

bad people are self-centered. *nod*
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 15:57
like this

"did you steal that money?"
"yeah"
"that's wrong"
"I know, but it's not like I exterminated a whole people group for stupid reasons"

Actually, I do agree. If I look at myself and feel good, I start thinking of other people who I find to be good and that knocks me back down. If I'm feeling down on myself, I think of other people who are scumbags and that lifts my self-regard back up. I guess that's rationalization.

So how could anyone find themselves simply good? Good compared to what, or who? Only to them(my/your)self in the past I'd say.
Myu in the Middle
02-05-2007, 15:58
while the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one, an ant has an entire colony to provide for, and kittens just pounce and sleep...
But a kitten is itself many more than the individual ant, so the division is not so easy to make.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 16:00
bad people are self-centered. *nod*

But Hitler wasn't self-centered! Does that mean he wasn't bad?
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 16:10
But Hitler wasn't self-centered! Does that mean he wasn't bad?

lots of bad people aren't self-centered, but all self-centered people are bad.
Ashmoria
02-05-2007, 16:13
lots of bad people aren't self-centered, but all self-centered people are bad.

im pretty sure that not only is everyone self centered to some extent, but also that if a person were completely NOT self centered, they would be mentally ill.

its all in HOW self centered you are.
Isidoor
02-05-2007, 16:15
But a kitten is itself many more than the individual ant, so the division is not so easy to make.

also condsider that kittens are cuter than ants.
http://www.webdesign.org/img_articles/7072/BW-kitten.jpg >< http://www.msstate.edu/org/mississippientmuseum/images/Hutchinsphotos/Bulldog.ant.jpg
IL Ruffino
02-05-2007, 16:17
No. No I am not.

For fuck sake! Why the hell do they let special needs people in the same class as regular people?! Every day it's the same shit--moody, loud, in my way.

This is why abortion and euthanasia should be legalized.
Eraeya
02-05-2007, 16:24
there should be a 'I don't know' option.

I don't think human beings are in any kind of position to find themselves good or bad, most of the time. We are just too close to ourselves to tell.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 16:44
But a kitten is itself many more than the individual ant, so the division is not so easy to make.

kitten = n X ant ... where n = many
therefore, kitten - ant = (n-1) X ant

but, many is too many to count, particularly for ants, so
n X ant = (n-1) X ant
therefore, kitten = kitten - ant
therefore, kitten = (kitten - ant) - ant
...
kitten = kitten - (infinity) X ant

No ants -> collapse of ecosystems worldwide.

I conclude that the only way to save the planet is to kill the kitten.

OK.

Uh, hang on. Kitten = 0
therefore 0 = (infinity) X ant

Damn! I killed the ants too!
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 16:54
No. No I am not.

For fuck sake! Why the hell do they let special needs people in the same class as regular people?! Every day it's the same shit--moody, loud, in my way.

This is why abortion and euthanasia should be legalized.

So sorry my thread got in your way. You could get a big fat pen and scribble over the top of page one?

Even better, I could tell you my password, and you could post whatever you like with my name! People wouldn't know it was you, and they'd all get on gabbly and cluck about how nice it is that NH is taking his meds now, and isn't he so much nicer that way!
IL Ruffino
02-05-2007, 16:57
So sorry my thread got in your way. You could get a big fat pen and scribble over the top of page one?

Even better, I could tell you my password, and you could post whatever you like with my name! People wouldn't know it was you, and they'd all get on gabbly and cluck about how nice it is that NH is taking his meds now, and isn't he so much nicer that way!

*tilts head*

.. buh?

I was talking about a kid in my class.. O_o
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 17:02
there should be a 'I don't know' option.
Surely that's covered by "I don't think of myself in good/bad terms" ??

You think about it, you find "I may or may not be good" to be a legitimate question, and then you don't know?

I don't think human beings are in any kind of position to find themselves good
All I can suggest is that you guess. Take a wild and vigorous punt at the quality of your being. Would it kill you to be wrong? :)
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 17:07
I was talking about a kid in my class.. O_o

No wuckin' forries mate.:)

Complete irrelevancies are just as welcome in this thread as soul-searching enquires as to personal worth, demands for an eleventh option, or bad puns.

Heck, I only made the silly thing to annoy OcceanDrive by putting ## at the beginning of the title! :p
Ashmoria
02-05-2007, 17:11
Heck, I only made the silly thing to annoy OcceanDrive by putting ## at the beginning of the title! :p

dont think that we didnt know that!

but it puts you on the side of the angels in my book.
The Brevious
02-05-2007, 17:25
Just vote.

Wow, most balanced poll results i've ever seen here. I expected a lot more evil percentage, frankly.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 17:35
dont think that we didnt know that!

but it puts you on the side of the angels in my book.

Well, things never go the way I expect them too, so this could backfire really badly. Like OD starts using more #'s so he can tell his posts from mine.

Or somebody decides it must be a cool thing to do because only the very best posters do it. That isn't likely really, 'cos the subset of people who think OD is one of the best, and people who think I'm one of the best, would pretty much equal "fucktard who got sold a new PC with no keyboard, and didn't notice."

_______________________________________

There really should just be a "suicide" button. I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, but I'm badly in need of a 3-day ban. If there was a button for that, I'd click it just about now.

Any tips how to stop, anyone?
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 17:40
Wow, most balanced poll results i've ever seen here. I expected a lot more evil percentage, frankly.

There is no evil button. I was concerned that good people might click it and lose their immortal souls.

My sponsor wanted an evil button, but we compromised on the maniacal laugh you see at the bottom of the poll :p
Nationalian
02-05-2007, 18:40
I'm not a good person. I'm kind and I threat people nicely but I see the world from a very negative perspective and I tend to judge people to easily. So overall, I'm neither a bad nor a good person.
Nobel Hobos
02-05-2007, 20:30
I'm not a good person. I'm kind and I threat people nicely but I see the world from a very negative perspective and I tend to judge people to easily. So overall, I'm neither a bad nor a good person.

Most people would consider being kind and treating (threating lol) people nicely to be quite sufficient to be in the top three catagories. Well, I would, and the judging thing isn't so bad if people know it and can be careful.

You could wear that quote from Yasser Arafat on a t-shirt perhaps. "In one hand I hold a gun, in the other an olive branch. Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand" or something like that he said. What a character!
Vetalia
02-05-2007, 20:40
I'm kind of neutral. I prefer to do what I think is a good idea rather than adhere to some preconceived conception of what is good or follow a strict moral code.
Ilaer
02-05-2007, 21:21
I try my very hardest to be the most moral person I can. Sometimes it's difficult, and then I fall into such despair at my own failure that I end up in tears.
I don't have an obligation to be moral, though, other than that which is basic human decency, and so in that case I feel as though I'm doing a good job. A difficult one, but a good one.