NationStates Jolt Archive

The most annoying thing is when someone wants to legalize something just because it is, or they want it to be, a "basic human right". This argument can more or less be applied to any debate. All rights are just human concepts, and not everyone necessarily agree with them; therefore using any definition of human rights as a basis for an argument is on the same level as using the Bible or other holy text.


QFT. There's far too much talk of rights these days ("people have a right to free education and housing!" (Who says?) "People have a right to two parents!" (Who says?). It smacks of moral absolutism, something that is even more problematic than moral relativism.

Unlike your unbridled lust of bigotry towards those who choose to believe in a God of their choice???? :p
"Unbridled lust of bigotry"! That's a great phrase. I'm gonna have to get me some of that.

But to answer your question, yes. It is unlike that. Since I don't have any "unbridled lusts of bigotry" toward ANYBODY, except perhaps serial rapists and child molesters.

Ah.

Wait, beer and nibbles? What sort of management is this?

Heh good management, I work for a TV production company!

It is called leet you fool. It is how most programmers speak... well the ones I know.

1=l/i
3=e
7=t

All the alpebit you get from me.

Heheh what all of the under 21 programers? Coz the two chaps in my office that do tha programeing speak normal English.

*rants*

so this afternoon my kids and I hit the park, while I am reading and "watching" my kids they make new friends, play, share, help the younger kids climb up to the slide, and mediate 3 arguments.....and the mom next to me says "wow, your kids are awesome!" and I say "thanks" and she says "what school do they go to?" and I say "I homeschool" and she says "I would never do that" and I ask "why?" and she says........

"because homeschool kids have shitty social skills"

:mad:

why do people do that? every freaking time someone finds out I homeschool they say "what about socialization?" and "aren't you worried they will be socially challenged?" that annoys me to no end.

first, my kids are obviously socially adept, they are polite and respectful and make friends easily and can carry on intelligent conversation with people of any age, in fact they are more socially adept than 90% of the adults I interact with every day. (NS included)

second, nobody, (okay one person, but nearly nobody) ever questions the education quality.....they all want to know about the socialization like it freaking matters more than what the kids are learning? isn't education supposed to be about education?

and what's up with people thinking that to be "properly socialized" that you have to sit in a room with 20 people the same age as you and don't talk...is that really the case anywhere else in the world?! no. I mean do you work with everyone the same age as you? do you go to college with everyone the same age as you? do you have to volunteer in the community with everyone the same age as you? whatever. :mad:

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*yes this is on topic because it's the argument that gets under my skin most

Heh I guess it's a natural reaction, and it sorta makes sense. To develop social skills, one has to be with other people. I guess then the thought process goes, homeschooled, no other children, lesser social skills.

I mean, you can't really blame people for thinking that can you?

Heheh what all of the under 21 programers? Coz the two chaps in my office that do tha programeing speak normal English.

... Well, the ones I know.

That was said by me, and I never said that all programmers speek 1337.

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And if they pick out your mistakes and respond to your points?
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Oy, you're a particularly virulent one, aren't you?


Wait, is that like...cummulative? Or is it like, 75%, 56%, 42% 32%?

All it was saying is that they started having the worste costumer service for having such a "large" mmorpg.

Heh I guess it's a natural reaction, and it sorta makes sense. To develop social skills, one has to be with other people. I guess then the thought process goes, homeschooled, no other children, lesser social skills.

I mean, you can't really blame people for thinking that can you?

If it's the wrong thinking, then yeah, of course :p

My personal favorite is "you're a Bushevik neocon blah blah blah..." when I'm not a big fan of Bush, nor a neocon...

I call this sort of argument shit flinging, as though they can win an argument by flinging shit, and hoping it will stick...

My personal favorite is "you're a Bushevik neocon blah blah blah..." when I'm not a big fan of Bush, nor a neocon...

I call this sort of argument shit flinging, as though they can win an argument by flinging shit, and hoping it will stick...

It's a fair argument if you are indeed espousing Bushevik/neocon talking points. Just sayin'.

It's a fair argument if you are indeed espousing Bushevik/neocon talking points. Just sayin'.

That's the other one - "talking points".

WTF is up with that? It's more shit flinging.

That's the other one - "talking points".

WTF is up with that? It's more shit flinging.

Watch Jon Stewart some time. He illustrates it better than I ever could--his little montages of conservative pundits, White House Press Secretaries and politicians all using the exact same phrase at times are terrific. And when you buy into them and repeat them, you get lumped in with them. Don't like it? Don't do it.

Watch Jon Stewart some time. He illustrates it better than I ever could--his little montages of conservative pundits, White House Press Secretaries and politicians all using the exact same phrase at times are terrific. And when you buy into them and repeat them, you get lumped in with them. Don't like it? Don't do it.

And if I don't watch or read conservative pundits or White House press secretaries, how am I supposed to know what "talking points" are.

I see you love your strawman shit flinging.

I see you love your strawman shit flinging.

Since when could strawmen poo?

And if I don't watch or read conservative pundits or White House press secretaries, how am I supposed to know what "talking points" are.

I see you love your strawman shit flinging.

If you don't, then it's the biggest fucking coincidence ever, and I guess you're shit out of luck. Somehow I doubt it's a coincidence.

Since when could strawmen poo?

Since they started eating all-bran.

why do people do that? every freaking time someone finds out I homeschool they say "what about socialization?" and "aren't you worried they will be socially challenged?" that annoys me to no end.

first, my kids are obviously socially adept, they are polite and respectful and make friends easily and can carry on intelligent conversation with people of any age, in fact they are more socially adept than 90% of the adults I interact with every day. (NS included)
I hold the same opinion for the opposite reason.

I wasn't homeschooled, but I'm a social reprobate. And I'm quite fond of me. As such, if poor social skills are the only downside of homeschooling, then there is no downside to homeschooling.

Intelligence and knowledge are vastly more useful than socialisation.

"Think of the Children"

It's a fair argument if you are indeed espousing Bushevik/neocon talking points. Just sayin'.
Remote Observer = DK = Bushevik ......all same no different. :D

"Unbridled lust of bigotry"! That's a great phrase. I'm gonna have to get me some of that.

But to answer your question, yes. It is unlike that. Since I don't have any "unbridled lusts of bigotry" toward ANYBODY, except perhaps serial rapists and child molesters.
I rest my case.......

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Fueled by ego and liberally smeared with contempt. Will you be the last person to realize that?

When right-wing libertarians argue for the abolition of all aspects of the welfare state, yet they have well-to-do parents who've paid for every aspect of their upbringing, education, and their every whim and desire, and the simple fact of their being born in a wealthy family means they'll never be wanting for money for as long as they live, and any job they get will purely be a hobby. JUST. FUCK. OFF.
While I'm not quite this wealthy, I do come from a wealthy family. That said, give people like me a break. I'm going out tomorrow to raise money for a soup kitchen tomorrow morning, but when it comes right down to it, I honestly believe a free market system will reduce total poverty (current poverty and future poverty combined).

Also,
And now the debate rant:
Multiple A Prioris good- It's just not true. It's unfair to the other side
All non-warranted arguments- A because just isn't that hard
Non-impacted arguments- Showing how it relates to the standard just isn't that hard.
UN doesn't cover the whole world because it leaves out Vatican City- It's 10 blocks in Rome! For the love of god come on!
Speed bad kritik- Get used to it, that's how debate works
No standards = I win- There are other ways to interpret the round. Don't forget this.

I thought I had a lot more but debate teaches you to look on all sides of everything so bad arguments go away
I debated in Canadian schools through junior high, high school, and now into university, and I will say that American debating is one of the strangest things I have ever observed. Also, you guys are the only country doing it that way. Believe me, I've been involved in international tournaments. You are completely alone on this one.