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HEY YEAH! It's me, the most annoying Parkus, back for round two! Okay so I heard on the radio that a Kansas City airport is installing "Foot Baths" in their bathrooms for Muslims to use for religious purposes (one Muslim woman banged her head trying bathe her feet in the sink).
So time to sit back and watch the argument!

HEY YEAH! It's me, the most annoying Parkus, back for round two! Okay so I heard on the radio that a Kansas City airport is installing "Foot Baths" in their bathrooms for Muslims to use for religious purposes (one Muslim woman banged her head trying bathe her feet in the sink).
So time to sit back and watch the argument!

If you've ever been in a men's room and wondered why there are wet footprints all over the toilet seats (I've seen this so many times I expect it now) at the airport, it's because of Muslim men washing their feet in the toilet.

I've seen them do it. Over and over and over again. And they leave the water and toilet paper all over the place like they don't care if anyone ever uses the toilet again.

So, if it means I get a clean toilet, and they get to live with their mess somewhere else in the bathroom, that's fine with me.

If you've ever been in a men's room and wondered why there are wet footprints all over the toilet seats (I've seen this so many times I expect it now) at the airport, it's because of Muslim men washing their feet in the toilet.

I've seen them do it. Over and over and over again. And they leave the water and toilet paper all over the place like they don't care if anyone ever uses the toilet again.

So, if it means I get a clean toilet, and they get to live with their mess somewhere else in the bathroom, that's fine with me.

Well, I not being Muslim I'd prefer to wash my feet in dog-droole as opposed to a toilet but to each his own...
Anyway, I predict this discussion will hing more on the argument about whether this is favouring a religion or not.

If I can't put a baby Jesus on my front lawn because it offends the Muslim, Jew or Athiest across the street then they can't have a foot bath. Tolerence is a two-way street and you reap what you sow.

Seems fine with me. That homeless people can also use it is an added bonus.

If I can't put a baby Jesus on my front lawn because it offends the Muslim, Jew or Athiest across the street then they can't have a foot bath. Tolerence is a two-way street and you reap what you sow.

I'm pretty sure you can.. put a baby Jesus on your lawn, that is. Unless you belong to a homeowners' association whose CC&Rs prohibit it. There's a bunch of huge crosses along the freeway where I live, whose owners have been sued unsuccessfully. The crosses aren't going anywhere.

If this airport is privately owned, then good on the owners for making better facilities for customers. If it is government owned, then this is wrong. Taxpayer's money should not be used to accomodate people's religious concerns, even if their religion occupies the position of "Politically-Correct Victim Faith"

If this airport is privately owned, then good on the owners for making better facilities for customers. If it is government owned, then this is wrong. Taxpayer's money should not be used to accomodate people's religious concerns, even if their religion occupies the position of "Politically-Correct Victim Faith"

I distincly remember it being said this was going to be funded by taxes.

Will these foot baths double as bidees(sp?)?

If I can't put a baby Jesus on my front lawn because it offends the Muslim, Jew or Athiest across the street then they can't have a foot bath. Tolerence is a two-way street and you reap what you sow.

Bwahaha, what? Who says that you are not allowed to do this because of offence to muslims or Jews? What country do you live in?

Bwahaha, what? Who says that you are not allowed to do this because of offence to muslims or Jews? What country do you live in?
Yeah, but furthermore, why would foot baths offend you? :confused:

Yeah, but furthermore, why would foot baths offend you? :confused:

Heh yeah, and that's a good point.

Hmm, the airport says that they aren't foot baths.

Oh, and the original story was broke by the WND (yup, those fine folks).
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13227199/detail.html?rss=kc1&psp=news

Bwahaha, what? Who says that you are not allowed to do this because of offence to muslims or Jews? What country do you live in?

Actually, it probably offends the anti-Christian atheists more than it would the muslims or jews.

Yeah, but furthermore, why would foot baths offend you? :confused:

Foot baths don't bother me. Hypocrits who bash Christians and give a pass to other religions bother me.

HEY YEAH! It's me, the most annoying Parkus, back for round two! Okay so I heard on the radio that a Kansas City airport is installing "Foot Baths" in their bathrooms for Muslims to use for religious purposes (one Muslim woman banged her head trying bathe her feet in the sink).
So time to sit back and watch the argument!
Lulz, try and be culturally sensitive and you gets sued.
America fails at life.

They don't necessarily have to be Muslim only. Maybe I want a footbath... did anyone think of that!? Huh!?

Foot baths don't bother me. Hypocrits who bash Christians and give a pass to other religions bother me.

Heh many Christians deserve bashing, you do know that?

They don't necessarily have to be Muslim only. Maybe I want a footbath... did anyone think of that!? Huh!?
Yeah. Since when were footbaths Muslim things? We have one languishing somewhere in a cupboard.

Heh many Christians deserve bashing, you do know that?

Um, I don't want to get involved but he's just saying that there are *ahem* certain Muslims who deserve bahsing at LEAST as much as Christians.

Um, I don't want to get involved but he's just saying that there are *ahem* certain Muslims who deserve bahsing at LEAST as much as Christians.

*nod* Yes I agree, heh there are certian people that deserve a good bashing, even some sikhs I know.

Seems fine with me. That homeless people can also use it is an added bonus.

Heck, I'm neither Muslim or homeless, and it sounds like a great idea! Put some antiseptic in it, and we can wage The Global War on Athletes Foot!

They don't necessarily have to be Muslim only. Maybe I want a footbath... did anyone think of that!? Huh!?

I'm with ya, I want a footbath too!

Bah humbug to footbaths. I want a whole spa complete with hot tub, sauna and masseuse! :D

Bah humbug to footbaths. I want a whole spa complete with hot tub, sauna and masseuse! :D

My religion demands it!

My religion demands it!

Please convert me. :D

Heck, I'm neither Muslim or homeless, and it sounds like a great idea! Put some antiseptic in it, and we can wage The Global War on Athletes Foot!

Athlete's foot is the stupidest ailment I've ever heard of, and people buy treatments that take weeks to cure it. Pour some fucking bleach on your foot you pansy!

My religion demands it!

I think regardless of whether all religions explicitly demand such things or not, all religions should demand such things. :D

I think regardless of whether all religions explicitly demand such things or not, all religions should demand such things. :D

Heck yeah!

If I can't put a baby Jesus on my front lawn because it offends the Muslim, Jew or Athiest across the street then they can't have a foot bath. Tolerence is a two-way street and you reap what you sow.

.....wtf?

Having been overseas in more than one Muslim country, they have the habit of not using toilet paper, but washing their asscrack with water and a bare hand (the left hand). Over there, they WILL pass up toilet paper, and it's not for religious reasons - it's just the way they've always done it.

However...

I used to work at a large software company located in Redmond, WA. I won't tell you the name..... I was there for a while, with a little one year vacation (expenses paid) to an all-inclusive resort called "BIAP" 2003-2004.

So, I get back to work, well acquainted with the finer points of how to occasionally avoid sitting down in muddy boot prints in porta-johns and the ubiquitous water bottle in the can. (they wash their feet in the toilet, and use the water bottle to wash their ass and feet) This dude in Redmond, who I am sure is a very nice man and a fine American, worked on my floor somewhere. He dressed conservatively and wore a big-ass Wahabbi beard. I never heard him speak or learned his name, but he "walked like a duck" so... On occasion I would enter the mens room as he was leaving. Invariably, the counter/mirror/floor would be dripping with water following his 10 minute post-shat birdbath. Fecal matter was all over the floor of the stall, along with a lot of water. There would be a strip of toilet paper running the length of the crack between the stall and the wall. For extra privacy, or maybe to keep the evil eye at bay. Apparently that was ALL he used the TP for, since there would also be 2 empty (but wet) coffee cups on top of the trash, and the stall with the TP weatherstripping would also have a wet toilet seat.

A couple of observations:

* I hope the company burns his keyboards when he replaces them.
* So they want their own restroom? Hell, *I* wanted him to have his own damn restroom. Let them wade around in their own little private e-coli slip-and-slides for all I care. But please spare me sharing their feces runoff.
* Also, I can understand wiping your ass with your hand if TP is scarce in your country, and you have neither a rock, pinecone, nor PRICKLY PEAR CACTUS to substitute. But to pass up free buttwipe in favor of your bare hand? That's a mental disorder in my opinion.
* Finally, I would prefer they be given ample oportunity to use locals-only washrooms back in their countries of origin to ensure their fragile sensibilities are not offended by us non-barehanded-ass-wiping infidels.

If I can't put a baby Jesus on my front lawn because it offends the Muslim, Jew or Athiest across the street then they can't have a foot bath. Tolerence is a two-way street and you reap what you sow.

That's stupid. Nobody cares what religious crap you put on your own property. Claiming that Atheists want to restrict your right to decorate your property is a lie. I thought you Christians were supposed to think lying is a sin?

HEY YEAH! It's me, the most annoying Parkus, back for round two! Okay so I heard on the radio that a Kansas City airport is installing "Foot Baths" in their bathrooms for Muslims to use for religious purposes (one Muslim woman banged her head trying bathe her feet in the sink).
So time to sit back and watch the argument!
Good. Its hard to make Wudu in a sink.

Good. Its hard to make Wudu in a sink.

Read back to my post about my experiences overseas.

If I can't put a baby Jesus on my front lawn because it offends the Muslim, Jew or Athiest across the street then they can't have a foot bath. Tolerence is a two-way street and you reap what you sow.

They managed to clone those things? It seems kind of cruel that you stick a little baby on your lawn, even if it is your mythical saviour.

Also: http://i14.tinypic.com/4ys26tk.jpg

Good. Its hard to make Wudu in a sink.

what's the deal with the foot washing?

what's the deal with the foot washing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wudu

:)

EDIT:
Not interrupting wudu.

.. so does this mean each foot bath will have it's own stall?

Uhh, it's called shoes Muslims. It's a fairly modern invention that allows want to walk in comfort without dirtying or harming your sensitive feeties.

Anyway it's not showing favoritism towards a single religion, it's called being fucking polite towards another ideology. We let Christians do pretty much whatever they want in the U.S., god forbid would install extra sinks in our bathrooms.

I am pleased by the idea of Wudu. I demand more of it.

Install armpit baths while they are at it too....

I dont want their feet in the sink I have to wash their shit off my hands in.

I think it's a great idea. I would love to have something like that at my work. I longboard every morning. I'd like a way to get the road scum off my legs.

Having been overseas in more than one Muslim country, they have the habit of not using toilet paper, but washing their asscrack with water and a bare hand (the left hand). Over there, they WILL pass up toilet paper, and it's not for religious reasons - it's just the way they've always done it.

However...

I used to work at a large software company located in Redmond, WA. I won't tell you the name..... I was there for a while, with a little one year vacation (expenses paid) to an all-inclusive resort called "BIAP" 2003-2004.

So, I get back to work, well acquainted with the finer points of how to occasionally avoid sitting down in muddy boot prints in porta-johns and the ubiquitous water bottle in the can. (they wash their feet in the toilet, and use the water bottle to wash their ass and feet) This dude in Redmond, who I am sure is a very nice man and a fine American, worked on my floor somewhere. He dressed conservatively and wore a big-ass Wahabbi beard. I never heard him speak or learned his name, but he "walked like a duck" so... On occasion I would enter the mens room as he was leaving. Invariably, the counter/mirror/floor would be dripping with water following his 10 minute post-shat birdbath. Fecal matter was all over the floor of the stall, along with a lot of water. There would be a strip of toilet paper running the length of the crack between the stall and the wall. For extra privacy, or maybe to keep the evil eye at bay. Apparently that was ALL he used the TP for, since there would also be 2 empty (but wet) coffee cups on top of the trash, and the stall with the TP weatherstripping would also have a wet toilet seat.

A couple of observations:

* I hope the company burns his keyboards when he replaces them.
* So they want their own restroom? Hell, *I* wanted him to have his own damn restroom. Let them wade around in their own little private e-coli slip-and-slides for all I care. But please spare me sharing their feces runoff.
* Also, I can understand wiping your ass with your hand if TP is scarce in your country, and you have neither a rock, pinecone, nor PRICKLY PEAR CACTUS to substitute. But to pass up free buttwipe in favor of your bare hand? That's a mental disorder in my opinion.
* Finally, I would prefer they be given ample oportunity to use locals-only washrooms back in their countries of origin to ensure their fragile sensibilities are not offended by us non-barehanded-ass-wiping infidels.

That is fucking disgusting. Why, when they now have access to toilet paper, they'd prefer not to use it? It makes no sense.

That is fucking disgusting. Why, when they now have access to toilet paper, they'd prefer not to use it? It makes no sense.

Simple. If they ever want to insult you they can shake with their left-hand. Give them TP and they no-longer have this convinience.

They managed to clone those things? It seems kind of cruel that you stick a little baby on your lawn, even if it is your mythical saviour.

Also: http://i14.tinypic.com/4ys26tk.jpg

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If I can't put a baby Jesus on my front lawn because it offends the Muslim, Jew or Athiest across the street then they can't have a foot bath. Tolerence is a two-way street and you reap what you sow.What is funny is on my street a radical Athiest tried to take down a nativity scene on the lawn, but he ignored the sign that said aggresive dog, got his ass bit by a little Scotty.

Funniest thing you will ever see as the dog ripped off a part of the guys sweat pants and he was wearing yellow underwear, wonder why:eek: , so back on tract the guy faced tresspassing charges from the police and he admitted to but said it offends him, yet he was forced to pay the fine and had to apologize to the home owners for not respecting their right to freedom of speech.

Good for the airport!

That is fucking disgusting. Why, when they now have access to toilet paper, they'd prefer not to use it? It makes no sense.

It's the way they're raised.

While I was overseas last summer had a chance to go to the City Center mall in Doha. A beautiful 5-story mall with a skating rink and water park INSIDE. One of the nicest modern malls I've seen. I had to use the bathroom. Scariest thing I've ever done - and I used to work in Newark. Water and shit everywhere (about 2in. deep) from the feet/sock/ass washing, no toilets in the stall, just a hole with some non-skid skateboard tape on either side.

Bits of shit everywhere, and no toilet paper. No toilet paper holders. I guess they never heard of it. I had to go back to the hotel.

While I was overseas last summer had a chance to go to the City Center mall in Doha. A beautiful 5-story mall with a skating rink and water park INSIDE. One of the nicest modern malls I've seen. I had to use the bathroom. Scariest thing I've ever done - and I used to work in Newark. Water and shit everywhere (about 2in. deep) from the feet/sock/ass washing, no toilets in the stall, just a hole with some non-skid skateboard tape on either side.

Bits of shit everywhere, and no toilet paper. No toilet paper holders. I guess they never heard of it. I had to go back to the hotel.

Urgh. Sounds like you've had a lot of bad experiances concering this...

Urgh. Sounds like you've had a lot of bad experiances concering this...

Many Americans, especially those who have NEVER been to a Muslim country, have NO FUCKING IDEA about their toilet habits. Wudu (the foot washing) is centered on religion.

The ass washing is a long standing tradition that has NOTHING to do with religion.

It's just the way they live, and they NEVER use the toilet paper if offered.

I am ALL FOR giving them their OWN restroom - so I can avoid having to step in or sit in bits of fecal matter all over the damned place.

I was in Indonesia and had to pour my guts out so I find the men's room and there's two fuckers washing their feet in the sinks and then I get in the stall and there's water everywhere and a little plastic bucket hanging on a faucet next to the toilet. WTF ? ? !!! I HAVE TO SHIT RIGHT NOW ! And I have to figure out what the whole system is, plus I'm left handed so that's out. Then I remember the drum of toilet paper outside the stall....

Many Americans, especially those who have NEVER been to a Muslim country, have NO FUCKING IDEA about their toilet habits. Wudu (the foot washing) is centered on religion.

The ass washing is a long standing tradition that has NOTHING to do with religion.

It's just the way they live, and they NEVER use the toilet paper if offered.

I am ALL FOR giving them their OWN restroom - so I can avoid having to step in or sit in bits of fecal matter all over the damned place.

I was in Indonesia and had to pour my guts out so I find the men's room and there's two fuckers washing their feet in the sinks and then I get in the stall and there's water everywhere and a little plastic bucket hanging on a faucet next to the toilet. WTF ? ? !!! I HAVE TO SHIT RIGHT NOW ! And I have to figure out what the whole system is, plus I'm left handed so that's out. Then I remember the drum of toilet paper outside the stall....

Unfortunatly it doesn't involve giving Muslims a seperate bathroom, just adding footbaths.

Unfortunatly it doesn't involve giving Muslims a seperate bathroom, just adding footbaths.

Please give them their own bathroom. PLEASE!

Please give them their own bathroom. PLEASE!
:p

Simple. If they ever want to insult you they can shake with their left-hand. Give them TP and they no-longer have this convinience.

I wonder what they do if they join the boy scouts...

I wonder what they do if they join the boy scouts...

:eek:

1) The foot washing is a matter of symbolic purification before prayer. The feet and hands (along with other parts of the body) are required to be washed before prayer, regardless of whether they're dirty. If water is not available, clean sand or dirt is acceptable. It's not so much about being clean as entering a purified state.

2) To the comment about having baby Jesus on your front lawn. No one cares if you do this, least of all atheists. If you're having a problem with that, it's probably because of a home owner's association, and frankly, that's what you get for living under one of those associations.

3) Strictly speaking, a bidet is as hygienic as toilet paper, when used correctly. Plenty of you have found people who use a bidet to be disgusting; I assure you, plenty of people who use bidet find you toilet paper users to be disgusting. Also, the bidet itself started in Europe and is not in any way strictly associated with Islam or the Middle East. Nor do all people of Middle Eastern or Muslim descent insist on using them; plenty are more than happy to use toilet paper, especially when living in countries where toilet paper is the cultural norm.

As for those of you who have had bad experiences with others using bidets or non-toilet paper restrooms, honestly, I've been to many, many, many disgusting restrooms here in the US, that had absolutely nothing to do with anyone using it like you've said. There are disgusting, unhygienic people in EVERY culture.

1) The foot washing is a matter of symbolic purification before prayer. The feet and hands (along with other parts of the body) are required to be washed before prayer, regardless of whether they're dirty. If water is not available, clean sand or dirt is acceptable. It's not so much about being clean as entering a purified state.

2) To the comment about having baby Jesus on your front lawn. No one cares if you do this, least of all atheists. If you're having a problem with that, it's probably because of a home owner's association, and frankly, that's what you get for living under one of those associations.

3) Strictly speaking, a bidet is as hygienic as toilet paper, when used correctly. Plenty of you have found people who use a bidet to be disgusting; I assure you, plenty of people who use bidet find you toilet paper users to be disgusting. Also, the bidet itself started in Europe and is not in any way strictly associated with Islam or the Middle East. Nor do all people of Middle Eastern or Muslim descent insist on using them; plenty are more than happy to use toilet paper, especially when living in countries where toilet paper is the cultural norm.

As for those of you who have had bad experiences with others using bidets or non-toilet paper restrooms, honestly, I've been to many, many, many disgusting restrooms here in the US, that had absolutely nothing to do with anyone using it like you've said. There are disgusting, unhygienic people in EVERY culture.
I've been to nearly every Arab country in the world (some more than once), and more than a few Muslim countries outside of the Arab world.

A bucket is not a bidet. Period.

A bucket that is used to slop feces out of your asscrack onto the floor where everyone has to walk is NOT hygenic. Period.

I saw no exception to the bucket (or rubber hose if you're lucky) and ZERO exceptions to the shit all over the floor in any of those countries, save for my hotel room (and only if it was a five star hotel).

They have foot baths already, they are called toilets.