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Straight guy cuddling with a gay guy?

Ilie
01-05-2007, 03:53
Okay...I don't really feel like I can talk about this with anybody, so I have to turn to the anonymity of the interweb.

On Friday my boyfriend got really hammered when we went out, and when I was driving him home he admitted to something. He said he went out with some friends a few weeks ago and he got extremely drunk, and one of the girls he was hanging out with is best friends with a very nice gay guy that I've met, and he likes my boyfriend. So my boyfriend crashed in this guy's bed, and the guy sort of undressed him and undressed himself down to underwear, and they cuddled. As in, my boyfriend had his head on this guy's chest and all. But when the guy tried to kiss him, he put a pillow over his face and said "auugh" or something equally drunkenly nonsensical, and that was the end of that.

So, he had been afraid to tell me, but he said he wasn't turned on by it, that he was just really drunk, and I don't know.

Now, I initially reacted by being pretty turned on (hell, two hot guys cuddling, awesome) but now I'm a little worried. Is this normal? I've made out with some girls and I'd like to try going further personally, but I definitely consider myself straight or maybe on the straight side of bi, and I love my boyfriend. But I also know it is more acceptable for girls to do that sort of thing and a straight guy doing it is more out-there, so...

I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(
UNITIHU
01-05-2007, 03:56
Okay...I don't really feel like I can talk about this with anybody, so I have to turn to the anonymity of the interweb.

On Friday my boyfriend got really hammered when we went out, and when I was driving him home he admitted to something. He said he went out with some friends a few weeks ago and he got extremely drunk, and one of the girls he was hanging out with is best friends with a very nice gay guy that I've met, and he likes my boyfriend. So my boyfriend crashed in this guy's bed, and the guy sort of undressed him and undressed himself down to underwear, and they cuddled. As in, my boyfriend had his head on this guy's chest and all. But when the guy tried to kiss him, he put a pillow over his face and said "auugh" or something equally drunkenly nonsensical, and that was the end of that.

So, he had been afraid to tell me, but he said he wasn't turned on by it, that he was just really drunk, and I don't know.

Now, I initially reacted by being pretty turned on (hell, two hot guys cuddling, awesome) but now I'm a little worried. Is this normal? I've made out with some girls and I'd like to try going further personally, but I definitely consider myself straight or maybe on the straight side of bi, and I love my boyfriend. But I also know it is more acceptable for girls to do that sort of thing and a straight guy doing it is more out-there, so...

I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(

This thread is USELESS without pics!
Serious post: You shouldn't be worried. He was drunk, and he wasn't turned on by it. Nothing to worry about.
Lunatic Goofballs
01-05-2007, 03:56
Okay...I don't really feel like I can talk about this with anybody, so I have to turn to the anonymity of the interweb.

On Friday my boyfriend got really hammered when we went out, and when I was driving him home he admitted to something. He said he went out with some friends a few weeks ago and he got extremely drunk, and one of the girls he was hanging out with is best friends with a very nice gay guy that I've met, and he likes my boyfriend. So my boyfriend crashed in this guy's bed, and the guy sort of undressed him and undressed himself down to underwear, and they cuddled. As in, my boyfriend had his head on this guy's chest and all. But when the guy tried to kiss him, he put a pillow over his face and said "auugh" or something equally drunkenly nonsensical, and that was the end of that.

So, he had been afraid to tell me, but he said he wasn't turned on by it, that he was just really drunk, and I don't know.

Now, I initially reacted by being pretty turned on (hell, two hot guys cuddling, awesome) but now I'm a little worried. Is this normal? I've made out with some girls and I'd like to try going further personally, but I definitely consider myself straight or maybe on the straight side of bi, and I love my boyfriend. But I also know it is more acceptable for girls to do that sort of thing and a straight guy doing it is more out-there, so...

I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(


The only people who have to care are you and him.

Would the idea of him being attracted to men bother you?

If it doens't bother you, and it doesn't bother him, and he doesn't sneak around behind your back, I don't see the problem.

My wife knows about my sexual past. It doesn't bother her in the slightest.
Dempublicents1
01-05-2007, 03:57
If you feel that this was in some way cheating, I could see there being some discomfort. But it obviously didn't go beyond that, so I don't think there's really any issue.

Society tells us that it is more "accepted" for two girls to be together in their underwear or sleep in the same bed or whatever. In my mind, that's garbage. If both guys were comfortable with it, and your boyfriend wasn't cheating on you - and he's still ok with it - what's the problem?
Call to power
01-05-2007, 03:57
bah they where drunk and they didn't have sex, though I'd watch your boyfriend very carefully if I where you guys rarely cuddle especially in there undies

so what I'm saying is he sounds gay/bi have fun with that
Terecia
01-05-2007, 03:58
It sounds like you answered your own question. You admit to doing things with people of the same sex, yet know in your heart that you are straight. He does things with people of the same sex, but wasn't turned on by it. I've always had this thought that everyone is a little bisexual.


Basically, I wouldn't worry about it.
Infinite Revolution
01-05-2007, 04:18
Okay...I don't really feel like I can talk about this with anybody, so I have to turn to the anonymity of the interweb.

On Friday my boyfriend got really hammered when we went out, and when I was driving him home he admitted to something. He said he went out with some friends a few weeks ago and he got extremely drunk, and one of the girls he was hanging out with is best friends with a very nice gay guy that I've met, and he likes my boyfriend. So my boyfriend crashed in this guy's bed, and the guy sort of undressed him and undressed himself down to underwear, and they cuddled. As in, my boyfriend had his head on this guy's chest and all. But when the guy tried to kiss him, he put a pillow over his face and said "auugh" or something equally drunkenly nonsensical, and that was the end of that.

So, he had been afraid to tell me, but he said he wasn't turned on by it, that he was just really drunk, and I don't know.

Now, I initially reacted by being pretty turned on (hell, two hot guys cuddling, awesome) but now I'm a little worried. Is this normal? I've made out with some girls and I'd like to try going further personally, but I definitely consider myself straight or maybe on the straight side of bi, and I love my boyfriend. But I also know it is more acceptable for girls to do that sort of thing and a straight guy doing it is more out-there, so...

I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(

i really don't think there's anything to it. esecially considering your boyfriend was probably insensible up to the point of kissing occuring at which point he probably sobred up quite a lot. and especially considering you've tacitly admitted to wanting to do the equivalent while maintaining that you are straight.
Redwulf25
01-05-2007, 04:30
Now, I initially reacted by being pretty turned on (hell, two hot guys cuddling, awesome) but now I'm a little worried. Is this normal? I've made out with some girls and I'd like to try going further personally, but I definitely consider myself straight or maybe on the straight side of bi, and I love my boyfriend. But I also know it is more acceptable for girls to do that sort of thing and a straight guy doing it is more out-there, so...


Holy double standards Batman! Why should this be any different for him than it was for you?
Smunkeeville
01-05-2007, 04:35
your boyfriend while drunk turned down a kiss, I think he's probably trustworthy from a faithfulness standing, although I wouldn't want hubby half naked cuddling with anyone......but I have pretty selfish standards when it comes to that type of thing.

as far as it being "more acceptable" for girls to do stuff, I think that's BS, either you are okay with same sex relations or you aren't, either way this is something to talk to your boyfriend about...we can't really help.

how do you think boyfriend would react if you were cuddling in your undies with someone besides him? maybe that's where you should start.
Marrakech II
01-05-2007, 04:38
Sounds like an odd story to me. I would just keep an eye on your man and see what he does. Any other occurrences of this type and you will have your answer. Then you have to ask yourself if your ok in that type of relationship.
Mikesburg
01-05-2007, 04:43
I'm thinking Smunkee's on the right track here. What's bothering you more... the fact that your boyfriend is getting snuggly in his underwear with another person, or getting snuggly with another guy? If it's the fact that you're worried that he might leave you because he suddenly will come to some realization that he doesn't like women... well, he's with you isn't he? I'm sure he's got something for you.

And he was drunk, and deflected a kiss, and admitted it to you. I don't think you have a whole lot to worry about.
North Calaveras
01-05-2007, 04:51
As long as he didnt do anything your okay, homosexuals are discusting, and this is coming from a communist, its not normal and i know if they wanted a women they could.
Siriusa
01-05-2007, 04:52
As long as he didnt do anything your okay, homosexuals are discusting, and this is coming from a communist, its not normal and i know if they wanted a women they could.

That was uncalled for.
Infinite Revolution
01-05-2007, 04:53
discusting eh? are you 8 years old?
Siriusa
01-05-2007, 04:56
And to the OP: I wouldn't worry. If he was really drunk and didn't let that guy kiss him, I don't see why there would be a problem. But it is a little peculiar. And it sounds like he feels bad about it and didn't mean for anything bad to happen. I'd just say forget about it.
Soheran
01-05-2007, 04:58
and this is coming from a communist

Ah, communism for straight people.

:rolleyes:

and i know if they wanted a women they could

Thus lesbian and bisexual women?
Lunatic Goofballs
01-05-2007, 05:00
As long as he didnt do anything your okay, homosexuals are discusting, and this is coming from a communist, its not normal and i know if they wanted a women they could.

http://www.timewarp-toys.com/troll.jpg
Widfarend
01-05-2007, 05:02
Ah, communism for straight people.

:rolleyes:


I don't know about you, but communism is my anti-gay.

:p
North Calaveras
01-05-2007, 05:04
me to comrade.
Siriusa
01-05-2007, 05:05
me to comrade.

You DO realize they're all mocking you, right?
North Calaveras
01-05-2007, 05:07
(that was uncalled for)

What part of a guy sticking you in the butt dont you understand its gross and wrong. what is this an only gay forum please say no.
Lunatic Goofballs
01-05-2007, 05:09
(that was uncalled for)

What part of a guy sticking you in the butt dont you understand its gross and wrong. what is this an only gay forum please say no.

If we say 'Yes', will you leave? :)
Siriusa
01-05-2007, 05:10
(that was uncalled for)

What part of a guy sticking you in the butt dont you understand its gross and wrong. what is this an only gay forum please say no.

No, this isn't an only gay forum, as far as I can tell. However, homophobic attitude isn't going to get you any respect around here, you're only acting immature and childish like a 10 year-old.
North Calaveras
01-05-2007, 05:11
lol yes i will. but that just proves your gay, either way im done with this.
Lunatic Goofballs
01-05-2007, 05:11
No, this isn't an only gay forum, as far as I can tell. However, homophobic attitude isn't going to get you any respect around here, you're only acting immature and childish like a 10 year-old.

Ssh! We're all gay here.

I'm so gay, my name is Gay Gayerson. :D
Siriusa
01-05-2007, 05:12
lol yes i will. but that just proves your gay, either way im done with this.

So I'm gay simply because I don't think all gays are disgusting and want to "stick everyone in the butt?" You're taking this too far.
Lunatic Goofballs
01-05-2007, 05:12
lol yes i will. but that just proves your gay, either way im done with this.

Don't go so soon, sweetcheeks. We'll rock your world. :D
Siap
01-05-2007, 05:12
snip


It will only be a problem if you make into one.
Widfarend
01-05-2007, 05:12
You DO realize they're all mocking you, right?

No need to use such a harsh word for it.. maybe say "poke fun at", or some other such mild counterpart. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just not how they express it. Thats when the sarcasm/witty comeback/comic relief/Lunatic Goofballs brigade bursts through the door.
Lunatic Goofballs
01-05-2007, 05:13
No need to use such a harsh word for it.. maybe say "poke fun at", or some other such mild counterpart. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just not how they express it. Thats when the sarcasm/witty comeback/comic relief/Lunatic Goofballs brigade bursts through the door.

It's in my contract. :)
Siriusa
01-05-2007, 05:14
No need to use such a harsh word for it.. maybe say "poke fun at", or some other such mild counterpart. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just not how they express it. Thats when the sarcasm/witty comeback/comic relief/Lunatic Goofballs brigade bursts through the door.

Yeah mocking wasn't the right word. Probably "poking fun at" would be better, and it would be even better than that if he caught the possible lewd innuendo in that phrase.
Infinite Revolution
01-05-2007, 05:14
lol yes i will. but that just proves your gay, either way im done with this.

aww! i wanted to play :(
Widfarend
01-05-2007, 05:16
Yeah mocking wasn't the right word. Probably "poking fun at" would be better, and it would be even better than that if he caught the possible lewd innuendo in that phrase.

Possible...?

Nay nay.

Probable!

It's in my contract.
*shuffles some papers*
Speaking of which, I believe you are up for renewal.
Redwulf25
01-05-2007, 06:00
As long as he didnt do anything your okay, homosexuals are discusting, and this is coming from a communist, its not normal and i know if they wanted a women they could.

Ok, who has that picture of a troll I saw a while back?
Redwulf25
01-05-2007, 06:01
http://www.timewarp-toys.com/troll.jpg

Not that one, the other troll pic.
Widfarend
01-05-2007, 06:20
Not that one, the other troll pic.

The photo of North Calaveras?
Similization
01-05-2007, 06:32
I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(It's just one of those "shit happens" things. Same thing happened to me once.

The only important things are that you now know your partner's got enough confidence in you to be completely honest, that he sadly isn't into that sort of thing, and that trying to make that particular fantasy of yours come true, probably won't be any fun at all.

You might want to suggest your partner have a talk with the gay guy though. Trying to take advantage of some half-conscious git he knows has a partner, is pretty fucking obnoxious.
The Phoenix Milita
01-05-2007, 06:35
Its simple really, he is conditioning you over time so when the truth comes out it wont be so harsh. Hes obviously a total homo.
Redwulf25
01-05-2007, 07:19
The photo of North Calaveras?

In some thread where there were trolls someone posted a pic of a big monstrous looking troll. Not a D&D style troll but something pretty damn close.
Similization
01-05-2007, 08:20
In some thread where there were trolls someone posted a pic of a big monstrous looking troll. Not a D&D style troll but something pretty damn close.This?

http://www.howardlyon.com/images/paintings/page%203/Cave%20Troll%20Final%20Small.jpg
BackwoodsSquatches
01-05-2007, 11:01
As a man, let me tell you..

Men dont cuddle with other men in thier undies, unless thier open to a little more than just cuddling.
Sounds like your boyfriend is a little curious.
BackwoodsSquatches
01-05-2007, 11:06
(that was uncalled for)

What part of a guy sticking you in the butt dont you understand its gross and wrong. what is this an only gay forum please say no.

As for you...


Ever have a lap-dance from a sasquatch?

Would you like to?

Me ruff you wrong time.
Harlesburg
01-05-2007, 11:07
Okay...I don't really feel like I can talk about this with anybody, so I have to turn to the anonymity of the interweb.

On Friday my boyfriend got really hammered when we went out, and when I was driving him home he admitted to something. He said he went out with some friends a few weeks ago and he got extremely drunk, and one of the girls he was hanging out with is best friends with a very nice gay guy that I've met, and he likes my boyfriend. So my boyfriend crashed in this guy's bed, and the guy sort of undressed him and undressed himself down to underwear, and they cuddled. As in, my boyfriend had his head on this guy's chest and all. But when the guy tried to kiss him, he put a pillow over his face and said "auugh" or something equally drunkenly nonsensical, and that was the end of that.

So, he had been afraid to tell me, but he said he wasn't turned on by it, that he was just really drunk, and I don't know.

Now, I initially reacted by being pretty turned on (hell, two hot guys cuddling, awesome) but now I'm a little worried. Is this normal? I've made out with some girls and I'd like to try going further personally, but I definitely consider myself straight or maybe on the straight side of bi, and I love my boyfriend. But I also know it is more acceptable for girls to do that sort of thing and a straight guy doing it is more out-there, so...

I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(
Dirty gay man tries to ravage your bf-Con
Bf says uggh/no-Pro
Your bf didn't undress himself-Pro
You have nicer boobies than the gay guy-Pro
If your bf leaves you, you still have me?;) -Pro/Con

I say, forgetaboutit.
Harlesburg
01-05-2007, 11:09
Its simple really, he is conditioning you over time so when the truth comes out it wont be so harsh. Hes obviously a total homo.
TPM does have a point though.
Your bf is a total faghandle and a real poo pusher.
sorry.:(
Soviet Haaregrad
01-05-2007, 11:18
lol yes i will. but that just proves your gay, either way im done with this.

You're cute. :fluffle:
Compulsive Depression
01-05-2007, 11:44
lol yes i will. but that just proves your gay, either way im done with this.

Proves his gay what?

And don't go, you got a purdy mouth...
New Genoa
01-05-2007, 11:46
Yeah, he's gay. Totally gay.
Jello Biafra
01-05-2007, 11:52
Okay...I don't really feel like I can talk about this with anybody, so I have to turn to the anonymity of the interweb.

On Friday my boyfriend got really hammered when we went out, and when I was driving him home he admitted to something. He said he went out with some friends a few weeks ago and he got extremely drunk, and one of the girls he was hanging out with is best friends with a very nice gay guy that I've met, and he likes my boyfriend. So my boyfriend crashed in this guy's bed, and the guy sort of undressed him and undressed himself down to underwear, and they cuddled. As in, my boyfriend had his head on this guy's chest and all. But when the guy tried to kiss him, he put a pillow over his face and said "auugh" or something equally drunkenly nonsensical, and that was the end of that.

So, he had been afraid to tell me, but he said he wasn't turned on by it, that he was just really drunk, and I don't know.

Now, I initially reacted by being pretty turned on (hell, two hot guys cuddling, awesome) but now I'm a little worried. Is this normal? I've made out with some girls and I'd like to try going further personally, but I definitely consider myself straight or maybe on the straight side of bi, and I love my boyfriend. But I also know it is more acceptable for girls to do that sort of thing and a straight guy doing it is more out-there, so...

I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(It doesn't seem like a big deal to me. It does seem a little bit odd, but since I'm not usually around drunk people, I dunno what typical drunken behavior is.

You might want to suggest your partner have a talk with the gay guy though. Trying to take advantage of some half-conscious git he knows has a partner, is pretty fucking obnoxious.I agree. Keep an eye on this guy. Not because your bf is likely to leave you for him, but because he seems like a dick. (And not in the good way.)
Philephebia
01-05-2007, 12:02
No, this isn't an only gay forum, as far as I can tell. However, homophobic attitude isn't going to get you any respect around here, you're only acting immature and childish like a 10 year-old.

Actually, my nephew of ten years old has a more tolerant attitide on gay and lesbian people than this guy. His attitude is not immature, it's downright bad.

Incidentally, the lady should confront not her boyfriend but the gay guy. Whatever his sexual orientation, he should not have attempted to come between two partners. Breaking up couples, contrary to homosexuality, IS rather immoral. Doesn't the "cute, gay guy" have any scruples?
Domici
01-05-2007, 12:08
Okay...I don't really feel like I can talk about this with anybody, so I have to turn to the anonymity of the interweb.

On Friday my boyfriend got really hammered when we went out, and when I was driving him home he admitted to something. He said he went out with some friends a few weeks ago and he got extremely drunk, and one of the girls he was hanging out with is best friends with a very nice gay guy that I've met, and he likes my boyfriend. So my boyfriend crashed in this guy's bed, and the guy sort of undressed him and undressed himself down to underwear, and they cuddled. As in, my boyfriend had his head on this guy's chest and all. But when the guy tried to kiss him, he put a pillow over his face and said "auugh" or something equally drunkenly nonsensical, and that was the end of that.

So, he had been afraid to tell me, but he said he wasn't turned on by it, that he was just really drunk, and I don't know.

Now, I initially reacted by being pretty turned on (hell, two hot guys cuddling, awesome) but now I'm a little worried. Is this normal? I've made out with some girls and I'd like to try going further personally, but I definitely consider myself straight or maybe on the straight side of bi, and I love my boyfriend. But I also know it is more acceptable for girls to do that sort of thing and a straight guy doing it is more out-there, so...

I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(


He was totally drunk and his reaction to getting kissed was "yuck." I think you're safe.
United Beleriand
01-05-2007, 12:11
He was totally drunk and his reaction to getting kissed was "yuck." I think you're safe.Although she's thinking about doing a girl herself? :p
La Habana
01-05-2007, 12:16
As a gay guy myself (first time i've admitted it on here), I know what its like when you are drunk and mixing with straight guys. Some straight guys have actually admitted to me in the past that they would sleep in the same bed as another man (but not actually DO anything), So I think that it is more common than guys like to admit. In my opinion I think that it's a demonstration to themselves of how secure they are with their straightness, and I think it is just used as a show of their friendship with a person, since it shows they are confident and trusting enough to sleep in the same bed as they are. The fact that the other guy was gay is probably just a coincidence. You have been with the guy for five years and its clear that he loves you, not guys. Even IF he is partly bisexual then i'm sure you will cope with it, as it doesnt mean he's going to cheat on you just cos he's bi. Ask your boyfriend to read this post, cos i'm sure he is feeling just as confused as you are, hopefully this has been helpful.
Ifreann
01-05-2007, 12:16
He might like guys, and you probably like girls, and you aren't having a threesome?

This displeases the Porn Gods.
JobbiNooner
01-05-2007, 12:17
OP, this sounds to me as if the gay guy was trying to date-rape your boyfriend. If he feels terribly violated, then he should seek to press charges. Otherwise I don't think you really have anything to worry about. Just don't let him get drunk and pass out at the gay dudes house any more.
Gravlen
01-05-2007, 14:31
Hmm... Well what words of wisdom will I wring outta my worthless wits?

Only this:

From what you tell us I don't think you need to worry much about him walking the path towards a change in teams, as it were. This isn't an indication of any such things - it's one drunken incident that was relatively harmless. And as far as I can tell, he stopped before crossing the line into unacceptable territory.

I believe you should have a little talk with him if it bothers you though. It's always better to get things like this out in the open - though, as I said, I doubt that he's on the express train to Gaysville after only this.

What I think is worse is that he got into bed and cuddled with that other person, but that's just because I draw the line quite restrictively when it comes to behaviour that I haven't condoned. I mean, if it was me I would be pissed if we hadn't come to an understanding previously that the line is drawn at, for example, sex.

Now, I do agree with you that it's different between girls and boys. In my local culture it's not a big deal at all if girls kiss, cuddle, or make out, while it's hardly accepted that boys are in physical contact (yes that last bit is an overstatement, but sometimes it feels like it's the truth), but again, it doesn't seem like a big deal (as long as you can talk to him about it and the fact that it happened doesn't bug you much).

That was my serious answer. As for my not so serious:

Hawt threesome! Go shake your booty girl! :D :fluffle:
Ilie
01-05-2007, 14:52
Okay, I definitely want to respond to everybody, thank you so much for posting, but I'm at work and I'll have to get back to it in an hour or two. Thank you for all your input, and I definitely feel better.

As for those of you who are gay-bashing: that was NOT what I wanted to happen in here, and I do not tolerate that sort of thing. Get out!
Dryks Legacy
01-05-2007, 15:09
I'm at work and I'll have to get back to it in an hour or two.

And hour or two? Now that's a lunch-break!
Gravlen
01-05-2007, 15:16
As for those of you who are gay-bashing: that was NOT what I wanted to happen in here, and I do not tolerate that sort of thing. Get out!
Meh, it's enough just to mention homosexuality on NSG, and they'll come crawling out of the woodwork. Best just to ignore them.
And hour or two? Now that's a lunch-break!
:D
The Infinite Dunes
01-05-2007, 15:16
Okay...I don't really feel like I can talk about this with anybody, so I have to turn to the anonymity of the interweb.

On Friday my boyfriend got really hammered when we went out, and when I was driving him home he admitted to something. He said he went out with some friends a few weeks ago and he got extremely drunk, and one of the girls he was hanging out with is best friends with a very nice gay guy that I've met, and he likes my boyfriend. So my boyfriend crashed in this guy's bed, and the guy sort of undressed him and undressed himself down to underwear, and they cuddled. As in, my boyfriend had his head on this guy's chest and all. But when the guy tried to kiss him, he put a pillow over his face and said "auugh" or something equally drunkenly nonsensical, and that was the end of that.

So, he had been afraid to tell me, but he said he wasn't turned on by it, that he was just really drunk, and I don't know.

Now, I initially reacted by being pretty turned on (hell, two hot guys cuddling, awesome) but now I'm a little worried. Is this normal? I've made out with some girls and I'd like to try going further personally, but I definitely consider myself straight or maybe on the straight side of bi, and I love my boyfriend. But I also know it is more acceptable for girls to do that sort of thing and a straight guy doing it is more out-there, so...

I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(That gay guy needs to be bitch slapped. Stealing a kiss from someone whilst drunk and out on the town (or whatever) is one thing. Taking a drunk person who is in a relationship back to your house and undressing is completely another. You just don't do that if you have any respect for either person in that relationship.

As for your boyfriend, looks you got a keeper there. Not only did he manage to tell you of what he did, but he managed to refuse the overt advancement from the guy - albiet slightly late... but he was drunk, so hey. :p
The Tribes Of Longton
01-05-2007, 15:27
He might like guys, and you probably like girls, and you aren't having a threesome?

This displeases the Porn Gods.
He's right, I'm terribly displeased about this.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:08
Okay, I'm back (I had a client visit and then yes, a lunch break :D ) and I am going to go through all of this right now.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:09
You shouldn't be worried. He was drunk, and he wasn't turned on by it. Nothing to worry about.

Thank you, a lot of you said something like this and it makes me feel a lot better. <3
Remote Observer
01-05-2007, 18:09
If you end up marrying him, just make sure he doesn't pull a McGreevey on you.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:11
The only people who have to care are you and him.

Would the idea of him being attracted to men bother you?

If it doens't bother you, and it doesn't bother him, and he doesn't sneak around behind your back, I don't see the problem.

My wife knows about my sexual past. It doesn't bother her in the slightest.

Well, that is a good point, I know he is a tiny bit curious and I think he likes the attention when a gay guy is into him, but it doesn't bother me. I think it's hot! But I am (was?) sure that he would never do anything that would go too far and I'm very sure he is not totally bi or homosexual. I just don't want him being on the "down low", you know? But I just don't think it would ever go that far.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:11
If you end up marrying him, just make sure he doesn't pull a McGreevey on you.

What is that?
Remote Observer
01-05-2007, 18:12
What is that?

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8ORM9B83&show_article=1&catnum=0
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:13
If you feel that this was in some way cheating, I could see there being some discomfort. But it obviously didn't go beyond that, so I don't think there's really any issue.

Society tells us that it is more "accepted" for two girls to be together in their underwear or sleep in the same bed or whatever. In my mind, that's garbage. If both guys were comfortable with it, and your boyfriend wasn't cheating on you - and he's still ok with it - what's the problem?

I think he didn't tell me right away because he was afraid of how I would feel about it. I have to say that I'm a little jealous thinking of him cuddling with anybody, but a little jealousy isn't a big deal. And you're right, he didn't cheat on me.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:15
It sounds like you answered your own question. You admit to doing things with people of the same sex, yet know in your heart that you are straight. He does things with people of the same sex, but wasn't turned on by it. I've always had this thought that everyone is a little bisexual.


Basically, I wouldn't worry about it.

I agree. Here is the continuum as far as I know:

<------|--------|------------------|--------------------------------->
straight|--------|------------------bi------------------------------gay
-----(him)-----(me)
Extreme Ironing
01-05-2007, 18:19
Seems like he wasn't in much control of the situation while drunk, but his friend seems a tad dodgy, trying to take advantage like that. Your boyfriend may well be bi-curious, but he seems loyal to you.
Carisbrooke
01-05-2007, 18:19
What part of a guy sticking you in the butt dont you understand its gross and wrong.


See I didn't know it was gross and wrong....when I get stuck in the butt I like it a lot.....

;)
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:19
Holy double standards Batman! Why should this be any different for him than it was for you?

Well, communication for one. He knows very well that I am sometimes attracted to girls, he seen me make out with a couple girls, and I've made VERY very sure that he is okay with it. He is, because he knows I would never be able to date a girl (oy vey, I get a headache just thinking about it) and I love him and that is the end of it.

He will only talk about his slight curiosity when he's completely drunk, and I think that does follow society's standards. There IS a double standard, in most cultures it is less acceptable to be gay than lesbian. Hell, it's accepted as a pretty normal "phase" that many girls go through in college. A guy's feelings have to be more strong in the first place to act on them/admit to them at all because of this double standard.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:21
Sounds like an odd story to me. I would just keep an eye on your man and see what he does. Any other occurrences of this type and you will have your answer. Then you have to ask yourself if your ok in that type of relationship.

Indeed! Frankly, if he wanted to try it again, I'd rather be there too.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:22
I'm thinking Smunkee's on the right track here. What's bothering you more... the fact that your boyfriend is getting snuggly in his underwear with another person, or getting snuggly with another guy? If it's the fact that you're worried that he might leave you because he suddenly will come to some realization that he doesn't like women... well, he's with you isn't he? I'm sure he's got something for you.

And he was drunk, and deflected a kiss, and admitted it to you. I don't think you have a whole lot to worry about.

Thank you, that is reassuring and I appreciate it. <3
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:28
It will only be a problem if you make into one.

I agree with that, and when he told me I just said that I was glad he told me and that I wasn't judging him. I'm still not, I just kind of had it on my mind and I had to sort of discuss it with somebody, you know what I mean?
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:30
*shuffles some papers*
Speaking of which, I believe you are up for renewal.

Hahaha! :D
Imperial isa
01-05-2007, 18:33
If you end up marrying him, just make sure he doesn't pull a McGreevey on you.

one of my uncles had that happen to him ,his wife then some woman he was dating
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:41
It's just one of those "shit happens" things. Same thing happened to me once.

The only important things are that you now know your partner's got enough confidence in you to be completely honest, that he sadly isn't into that sort of thing, and that trying to make that particular fantasy of yours come true, probably won't be any fun at all.

You might want to suggest your partner have a talk with the gay guy though. Trying to take advantage of some half-conscious git he knows has a partner, is pretty fucking obnoxious.

See, that is what I wanted to hear, that other straight guys have experienced something like that.

As for being mad at the other guy...no way. First of all, I have tried to get with guys who have girlfriends many times before. If a guy isn't happy in his relationship then he would have left/cheated anyway, and if he is happy with his girlfriend then he is just being a jerk if he does get with me. I find that guys who are happy don't cheat anyway.

Also, this gay guy had never met me, and had no allegiance to me whatsoever. He probably thought my boyfriend is gay and just denying it or maybe fabricating a girlfriend out of thin air so he wouldn't get hit on. I met the guy for the first time this past Friday, and he was very nice. He told me that he had thought I might be ugly but I certainly wasn't, and he'd love to hang out with us all together. So hell, as far as I know maybe he feels bad about the whole thing now that he's met me and seen us together.

At any rate, I can't blame him at all.
SaintB
01-05-2007, 18:42
It was a drunken, harmless thing it sounds like to me, no harm in it.

Me.. I am not homosexual (in fact any of my ex's will argue till they are blue in the face about how hetero I am) but I like to cuddle. I've cuddled with guys int he past if I was desperate enough for comfort, but as for the whole clothes off thing.. uh no.
Cluichstan
01-05-2007, 18:45
I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(


You drove your boyfriend to homosexuality by posting slutty pics of yourself on teh intarwebs for all to see. Well done!

(Sorry, couldn't help being an ass, hon. ;) )
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:46
Dirty gay man tries to ravage your bf-Con
Bf says uggh/no-Pro
Your bf didn't undress himself-Pro
You have nicer boobies than the gay guy-Pro
If your bf leaves you, you still have me?;) -Pro/Con

I say, forgetaboutit.

Thank you, if he leaves me I will definitely have to turn to the sexy men of NationStates to comfort me. :D
Ilie
01-05-2007, 18:50
You drove your boyfriend to homosexuality by posting slutty pics of yourself on teh intarwebs for all to see. Well done!

(Sorry, couldn't help being an ass, hon. ;) )

Excuse me, I asked if he would be okay with it first. That was a little too mean, even for you.

Might I add that he is rooting for me, he is proud that he has a smart and sexy girlfriend who loves him.
Cluichstan
01-05-2007, 18:54
Excuse me, I asked if he would be okay with it first. That was a little too mean, even for you.

I would've thought you'd know I was kidding, given all the other stuff you accepted as (and which were) jokes. Yeesh. I'll just shut the fuck up.
Intangelon
01-05-2007, 18:56
It's kinda sad that someone even had to ask the OP question. The fact that he told you the truth and was up-front about it should be all the trust you need.

Now, look deep into yourself for the answer to the question of why you even felt the need to ask yours. Whether it's prejudice or insecurity, the answer will likely (and deservedly) be uncomfortable.

:rolleyes:
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:01
It doesn't seem like a big deal to me. It does seem a little bit odd, but since I'm not usually around drunk people, I dunno what typical drunken behavior is.

I have to say, that is what I am more concerned about. He does this thing where he won't go out or drink for a long time, months, then he has this rash of partying and he gets shitfaced and I don't like it. It's not a good idea to be getting so drunk that you barely know what's going on around you...hell, I've done it, but it's more like a 3-times-a-year thing, not every week.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:02
It's kinda sad that someone even had to ask the OP question. The fact that he told you the truth and was up-front about it should be all the trust you need.

Now, look deep into yourself for the answer to the question of why you even felt the need to ask yours. Whether it's prejudice or insecurity, the answer will likely (and deservedly) be uncomfortable.

:rolleyes:

Come on now, I just wanted to rap about it cause yeah, I got a little insecure. Maybe some people wouldn't. I'm not perfect.
Smunkeeville
01-05-2007, 19:06
Come on now, I just wanted to rap about it cause yeah, I got a little insecure. Maybe some people wouldn't. I'm not perfect.

if being uncomfortable about your partner half-naked cuddling with someone other than you means you are insecure, then a lot of us are.

I like the fact that he told you about it, and was honest, he should get points for that. You need to figure out what you are okay with and what you aren't and you need to spell it out to him in no uncertain terms, just for his own piece of mind. What's done is done, and let him know how you felt about it, and then let it go......but def. give him kudos for the honesty, he needs to know thats one of the important things.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:06
Incidentally, the lady should confront not her boyfriend but the gay guy. Whatever his sexual orientation, he should not have attempted to come between two partners. Breaking up couples, contrary to homosexuality, IS rather immoral. Doesn't the "cute, gay guy" have any scruples?

I think I explained my views on this. Might I add that nobody can break up a couple but the members of the couple themselves, and it's not immoral even by religious standards unless we were married.
Mirkai
01-05-2007, 19:06
I think more straight guys should try cuddling with other men. Trust me, it's a lot of fun to be held in a strong pair of arms and feel like you're safe and protected from all the bad in the world.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:08
if being uncomfortable about your partner half-naked cuddling with someone other than you means you are insecure, then a lot of us are.

I like the fact that he told you about it, and was honest, he should get points for that. You need to figure out what you are okay with and what you aren't and you need to spell it out to him in no uncertain terms, just for his own piece of mind. What's done is done, and let him know how you felt about it, and then let it go......but def. give him kudos for the honesty, he needs to know thats one of the important things.

Thank you, I can definitely agree with that.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:12
As a gay guy myself (first time i've admitted it on here), I know what its like when you are drunk and mixing with straight guys. Some straight guys have actually admitted to me in the past that they would sleep in the same bed as another man (but not actually DO anything), So I think that it is more common than guys like to admit. In my opinion I think that it's a demonstration to themselves of how secure they are with their straightness, and I think it is just used as a show of their friendship with a person, since it shows they are confident and trusting enough to sleep in the same bed as they are. The fact that the other guy was gay is probably just a coincidence. You have been with the guy for five years and its clear that he loves you, not guys. Even IF he is partly bisexual then i'm sure you will cope with it, as it doesnt mean he's going to cheat on you just cos he's bi. Ask your boyfriend to read this post, cos i'm sure he is feeling just as confused as you are, hopefully this has been helpful.

Thank you very much, it is definitely helpful. Hell, I wish you'd posted first! *hug*
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:15
He might like guys, and you probably like girls, and you aren't having a threesome?

This displeases the Porn Gods.

See, it's just too complicated. He might like guys, but not enough to actually DO anything with one (besides cuddle when falling-down drunk, apparently, and we all know how well a guy's "equipment" works when he's falling-down drink) and he would be very upset and jealous to see me doing anything like that with another guy. As for me, I would like to do something like that with a girl, but I certainly wouldn't want her touching my man. So, you can see that it probably wouldn't work out. *oh well*
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:18
OP, this sounds to me as if the gay guy was trying to date-rape your boyfriend. If he feels terribly violated, then he should seek to press charges. Otherwise I don't think you really have anything to worry about. Just don't let him get drunk and pass out at the gay dudes house any more.

I don't think he feels violated, the guy did stop when signaled that it was no longer okay, and my boyfriend wasn't exactly jumping out of his bed before that. They've hung out since then and everything seems to be fine.

As for not "letting" him get drunk and pass out places, I don't have a ton of control over it. I can let him know that I don't like it, but I don't live with him and I wasn't there. He often gets invited out during the week, and I really can't go along because I get up very early and I already live a half hour out of the city. I do get jealous that he gets to party more than I do. :(
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:25
Hmm... Well what words of wisdom will I wring outta my worthless wits?

Only this:

From what you tell us I don't think you need to worry much about him walking the path towards a change in teams, as it were. This isn't an indication of any such things - it's one drunken incident that was relatively harmless. And as far as I can tell, he stopped before crossing the line into unacceptable territory.

I believe you should have a little talk with him if it bothers you though. It's always better to get things like this out in the open - though, as I said, I doubt that he's on the express train to Gaysville after only this.

What I think is worse is that he got into bed and cuddled with that other person, but that's just because I draw the line quite restrictively when it comes to behaviour that I haven't condoned. I mean, if it was me I would be pissed if we hadn't come to an understanding previously that the line is drawn at, for example, sex.

Now, I do agree with you that it's different between girls and boys. In my local culture it's not a big deal at all if girls kiss, cuddle, or make out, while it's hardly accepted that boys are in physical contact (yes that last bit is an overstatement, but sometimes it feels like it's the truth), but again, it doesn't seem like a big deal (as long as you can talk to him about it and the fact that it happened doesn't bug you much).

That was my serious answer. As for my not so serious:

Hawt threesome! Go shake your booty girl! :D :fluffle:

Thank you Gravlen, I respect your opinion and I think you're right. As for my not so serious answer back: Oh really? You want to join us? ;)
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:29
As for your boyfriend, looks you got a keeper there. Not only did he manage to tell you of what he did, but he managed to refuse the overt advancement from the guy - albiet slightly late... but he was drunk, so hey. :p

Yeah, I love my crazy, drunken, maybe-a-little-bi-curious man. He is a keeper. :D
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:32
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8ORM9B83&show_article=1&catnum=0

Oh, yeah. Oprah has been doing the "down low" thing on her show a lot, I hear it is a terrible problem especially in the black community because of the extreme homophobia in that culture. Of course, this guy was white, but he was in politics, another very homophobic culture.

I don't think my boyfriend would do that because he isn't the type to take what he doesn't want. He is also not homophobic in the slightest, so if he thought he was gay, he wouldn't do that "denying it and dating a girl while still boinking guys" thing. He would just be gay and be done with it.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:34
See I didn't know it was gross and wrong....when I get stuck in the butt I like it a lot.....

;)

Ugh, I don't, it hurts like all get-out.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 19:35
I would've thought you'd know I was kidding, given all the other stuff you accepted as (and which were) jokes. Yeesh. I'll just shut the fuck up.

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have snapped at you. I'm sure it was driven by my secret fear that my pictures up for the contest are slutty. Do you think they are? Seriously.
Carisbrooke
01-05-2007, 20:00
Ugh, I don't, it hurts like all get-out.

Lubricate!
Smunkeeville
01-05-2007, 20:02
Ugh, I don't, it hurts like all get-out.
:eek:
you need more lube. ;)

(not that I know or anything, just sounds like a good idea.)
The Infinite Dunes
01-05-2007, 20:03
Ugh, I don't, it hurts like all get-out.Argh, such openness about anal sex. I think that's still on my taboo list... *hides from you unmodest women*
Smunkeeville
01-05-2007, 20:11
Argh, such openness about anal sex. I think that's still on my taboo list... *hides from you unmodest women*

sex is sex is sex

*hides from prude boy*
Intangelon
01-05-2007, 20:22
As a man, let me tell you..

Men dont cuddle with other men in thier undies, unless thier open to a little more than just cuddling.
Sounds like your boyfriend is a little curious.

Really? You've NEVER done anything uncharacteristic of you when completely intoxicated? By all means, then, Jesus, start casting those stones. :rolleyes:
Imperial isa
01-05-2007, 20:31
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have snapped at you. I'm sure it was driven by my secret fear that my pictures up for the contest are slutty. Do you think they are? Seriously.

slutty no
Intangelon
01-05-2007, 20:34
As a gay guy myself (first time i've admitted it on here), I know what its like when you are drunk and mixing with straight guys. Some straight guys have actually admitted to me in the past that they would sleep in the same bed as another man (but not actually DO anything).
*snip the rest*


Gee, golly. Perhaps those straight guys were just admitting what anyone who's ever been on a trip with their school band, choir, athletic team, etc. already knows -- no public school has the funding to give the guys each their own room -- or even their own bed. Four to a room means doubling up, which no more makes anyone gay than thinking one or two Elton John songs don't completely suck does.

Folks, drunk or not, sleeping in the same bed as someone of the same gender -- and I can't believe I have to type this -- does NOT make you anything but tired and on a budget and perhaps unwilling to subject your back to a night on the floor.

I was the only guy willing to be the fourth in a room with three openly gay singers in my jazz ensemble through two years of college. Y'know what? Never ONCE did I wake up with anything out of place or discover I'd been in any way bothered by the three gay men in the room. However, I did make sure to loudly rattle the key in the lock when I came back to the room, just in case. But hell, I did that when I came back to my dorm room, too, out of common courtesy for any lovely young woman my roommate might have finagled that evening.

This rant isn't directed at the majority here, but some of you micro-minded little twits need to grow the hell up. A gay guy who acts like a jackass isn't that way because he's gay -- he's a jackass regardless of his orientation. You can be sure that, if the jackass in question were straight, he'd be the kind of guy who grabs waitresses asses. Jackassery knows no boundaries.
Nodinia
01-05-2007, 20:38
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have snapped at you. I'm sure it was driven by my secret fear that my pictures up for the contest are slutty. Do you think they are? Seriously.

Of course they aren't......ignore that miserable waste of skin, for jaysus sake. (One of your pics is quite funny actually, I remember it from a thread a while back.)
Intangelon
01-05-2007, 20:41
Indeed! Frankly, if he wanted to try it again, I'd rather be there too.

Ilie, some months ago you posted a picture or two of yourself in links to this forum. Probably for a photo thread or something like that. I remember them to this day. My dear, if he prefers men to you, he is relentlessly gay OR he's blind and stupid.

I think you're WAY beyond safe. Just keep the forthrightness, honesty and openness alive, and there will be very few unpleasant surprises.
Intangelon
01-05-2007, 20:48
Come on now, I just wanted to rap about it cause yeah, I got a little insecure. Maybe some people wouldn't. I'm not perfect.

Fair enough.

Forgive my earlier grouchiness. I get to hear a hell of a lot of irrational anti-gay horseshit in the neck of the absence of woods to which I moved two years ago. Rampant, unreasonable, fear-fueled hysteria about homosexuality is something I've not learned to control my reactions to, and I apologize -- your OP was nothing of the sort.

I will take issue with your recent assertion that you've gone after guys who you knew were with someone. It's one thing if you don't know or he doesn't tell you (slightly less excusable if you don't ask), but to know and continue on anyway and justifying that by saying that if he's a good boy he won't cheat? It's attitudes like that which led to burkhas.
Intangelon
01-05-2007, 20:50
See, it's just too complicated. He might like guys, but not enough to actually DO anything with one (besides cuddle when falling-down drunk, apparently, and we all know how well a guy's "equipment" works when he's falling-down drink) and he would be very upset and jealous to see me doing anything like that with another guy. As for me, I would like to do something like that with a girl, but I certainly wouldn't want her touching my man. So, you can see that it probably wouldn't work out. *oh well*

Wow. Blatantly endorsing a colossal double standard. At least you're honest about it....
La Habana
01-05-2007, 20:52
Thank you very much, it is definitely helpful. Hell, I wish you'd posted first! *hug*

Well, my work here is done! *grabs jacket and walks out door*
Johnny B Goode
01-05-2007, 20:55
Okay...I don't really feel like I can talk about this with anybody, so I have to turn to the anonymity of the interweb.

On Friday my boyfriend got really hammered when we went out, and when I was driving him home he admitted to something. He said he went out with some friends a few weeks ago and he got extremely drunk, and one of the girls he was hanging out with is best friends with a very nice gay guy that I've met, and he likes my boyfriend. So my boyfriend crashed in this guy's bed, and the guy sort of undressed him and undressed himself down to underwear, and they cuddled. As in, my boyfriend had his head on this guy's chest and all. But when the guy tried to kiss him, he put a pillow over his face and said "auugh" or something equally drunkenly nonsensical, and that was the end of that.

So, he had been afraid to tell me, but he said he wasn't turned on by it, that he was just really drunk, and I don't know.

Now, I initially reacted by being pretty turned on (hell, two hot guys cuddling, awesome) but now I'm a little worried. Is this normal? I've made out with some girls and I'd like to try going further personally, but I definitely consider myself straight or maybe on the straight side of bi, and I love my boyfriend. But I also know it is more acceptable for girls to do that sort of thing and a straight guy doing it is more out-there, so...

I don't even know what I'm asking here. Opinions? Stories to relate? I'm not against gays at all, believe me, I just don't want my boyfriend of five years to leave me. :(

He won't. He was just blasted. Weren't you, Gravlen?
Similization
01-05-2007, 21:06
See, that is what I wanted to hear, that other straight guys have experienced something like that.Hehe, not that it makes a difference, but I'm bi actually.As for being mad at the other guy...no way.
<Snip>
At any rate, I can't blame him at all.OK, I got the impression the three of you already knew eachother. Besides, I didn't mean there was anything wrong with trying to steal someone else's partner. Doing it when the fucker's wasted blind and half asleep though, that's pretty fucked up.
The Infinite Dunes
01-05-2007, 21:07
sex is sex is sex

*hides from prude boy*Yeah, but sex regarding oneself is personal... and... and... and... I'm can't believe I'm still so shy about talking about sex...
Merric
01-05-2007, 21:07
I'm sure all this has been said before, but I felt it was important, as a gay man, to reiterate a few ideas.

1) There's nothing wrong with men - whatever their orientation - spending a night together in whatever stage of undress they drunkenly decide on, and cuddling. In your case, it seemed relatively unsexual, and I've cuddled with straight guys before without wanting to have sex with them. Yes, believe it or not, gay guys do not want to have sex with every single straight man they meet. Note that this would be a very different statement if someone attempted to take advantage of the other one in their drunken state - doing things without consent, no matter your gender or orientation, is not acceptable.

2) It sounds like the bigger concern for you shouldn't be the gender or orientation of who was in the bed, but whether you would consider "cuddling" a violation of the relationship with your BF. I wouldn't, but I'm fairly open when it comes to relationships - some people are more conservative about things like that.

3) Ask yourself if you would have been more or less comfortable with the situation if it had been a girl. That might help you see if your issue is truly with the gender/orientation of the person in bed with your boyfriend, or if this is more an issue of his actions in general.

~Merric
Ilie
01-05-2007, 23:54
Lubricate!

:eek:
you need more lube. ;)

(not that I know or anything, just sounds like a good idea.)

I use plenty of lube. It's just too big, that's all.
Ilie
01-05-2007, 23:56
Of course they aren't......ignore that miserable waste of skin, for jaysus sake. (One of your pics is quite funny actually, I remember it from a thread a while back.)

Thank you! :D
Ilie
01-05-2007, 23:58
Ilie, some months ago you posted a picture or two of yourself in links to this forum. Probably for a photo thread or something like that. I remember them to this day. My dear, if he prefers men to you, he is relentlessly gay OR he's blind and stupid.

I think you're WAY beyond safe. Just keep the forthrightness, honesty and openness alive, and there will be very few unpleasant surprises.

Thank you, and I definitely don't think he prefers men. By the way, I have photos up still...I'm in the "sexiest NSer contest" and I don't think I've pulled any punches, so you can still see them.
Ilie
02-05-2007, 00:07
Fair enough.

Forgive my earlier grouchiness. I get to hear a hell of a lot of irrational anti-gay horseshit in the neck of the absence of woods to which I moved two years ago. Rampant, unreasonable, fear-fueled hysteria about homosexuality is something I've not learned to control my reactions to, and I apologize -- your OP was nothing of the sort.

I will take issue with your recent assertion that you've gone after guys who you knew were with someone. It's one thing if you don't know or he doesn't tell you (slightly less excusable if you don't ask), but to know and continue on anyway and justifying that by saying that if he's a good boy he won't cheat? It's attitudes like that which led to burkhas.

Thank you, apology accepted.

About your last point, I've been with my boyfriend for five years. The last time I went after a guy with a girlfriend was when I was 19 years old...I'm not proud of it, but I understand why it goes on.

As for the burkhas comment, that was a little sexist, don't you think? Guys go after women with boyfriends too, you know, and nobody has proposed a law about them having to be covered up from head to toe, being property of their fathers until they are married off, or not being allowed to speak to women they don't know because their overpowering sexuality would completely disrupt the fabric of society.

:p
Ilie
02-05-2007, 00:14
Yeah, but sex regarding oneself is personal... and... and... and... I'm can't believe I'm still so shy about talking about sex...

Aw, cute! Did we make you blush? :D

Come on, test it out on us imaginary internet people. Tell us a personal sex story. Even if it doesn't involve anybody else! <3
Lunatic Goofballs
02-05-2007, 03:39
Well, that is a good point, I know he is a tiny bit curious and I think he likes the attention when a gay guy is into him, but it doesn't bother me. I think it's hot! But I am (was?) sure that he would never do anything that would go too far and I'm very sure he is not totally bi or homosexual. I just don't want him being on the "down low", you know? But I just don't think it would ever go that far.

Communication is key. Share your fantasies with eachother. Even if they remain fantasies, you'll have a healthier sexlife overall. :)
Jello Biafra
02-05-2007, 12:16
He will only talk about his slight curiosity when he's completely drunk, and I think that does follow society's standards. There IS a double standard, in most cultures it is less acceptable to be gay than lesbian. Hell, it's accepted as a pretty normal "phase" that many girls go through in college. A guy's feelings have to be more strong in the first place to act on them/admit to them at all because of this double standard.

I have to say, that is what I am more concerned about. He does this thing where he won't go out or drink for a long time, months, then he has this rash of partying and he gets shitfaced and I don't like it. It's not a good idea to be getting so drunk that you barely know what's going on around you...hell, I've done it, but it's more like a 3-times-a-year thing, not every week.I agree, I'd be uncomfortable if my bf got drunk like that, too. Seems to me that if he doesn't get drunk, you'd have nothing to worry about.
Ifreann
02-05-2007, 12:29
He's right, I'm terribly displeased about this.
I took longer than expected for someone to say this. Go Tribes!
See I didn't know it was gross and wrong....when I get stuck in the butt I like it a lot.....

;)
You like it because it's groos and wrong. ;)
See, it's just too complicated. He might like guys, but not enough to actually DO anything with one (besides cuddle when falling-down drunk, apparently, and we all know how well a guy's "equipment" works when he's falling-down drink)
I belive the analogy is "playing pool with a length of rope"
and he would be very upset and jealous to see me doing anything like that with another guy. As for me, I would like to do something like that with a girl, but I certainly wouldn't want her touching my man. So, you can see that it probably wouldn't work out. *oh well*
Awwwww. This saddens the Porn Gods.
Lubricate!

:eek:
you need more lube. ;)

(not that I know or anything, just sounds like a good idea.)
When in doubt, apply more lube.
Argh, such openness about anal sex. I think that's still on my taboo list... *hides from you unmodest women*
Immodest*[/spellinghitler][/godwin]
Yeah, but sex regarding oneself is personal... and... and... and... I'm can't believe I'm still so shy about talking about sex...
*humps Dunesy*
Cluichstan
02-05-2007, 13:55
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have snapped at you. I'm sure it was driven by my secret fear that my pictures up for the contest are slutty. Do you think they are? Seriously.

To be honest, just the one, hon.

Of course they aren't......ignore that miserable waste of skin, for jaysus sake.

Just can't stop flaming, can you, little boy? :rolleyes:
Whereyouthinkyougoing
02-05-2007, 15:00
I use plenty of lube. It's just too big, that's all.

:p

Made me laugh. <.<
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 15:01
I use plenty of lube. It's just too big, that's all.

yeah, there's not much stretch in that area, it's not exactly built for intercourse. ;)
Whereyouthinkyougoing
02-05-2007, 15:03
yeah, there's not much stretch in that area, it's not exactly built for intercourse. ;)*is too shy to say something but likes to point out that she doesn't entirely agree with Smunkee*
Ifreann
02-05-2007, 15:04
lawl, buttsecks.
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 15:05
*is too shy to say something but likes to point out that she doesn't entirely agree with Smunkee*

it's anatomy, basic anatomy.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
02-05-2007, 15:07
it's anatomy, basic anatomy.
I'd have thought that the mere existence of things like Goatse would be proof enough that the anatomy we're talking about is quite strechy if need be. ;)
Ashmoria
02-05-2007, 15:09
*is too shy to say something but likes to point out that she doesn't entirely agree with Smunkee*

*points out that smunkee said not "exactly" built for intercourse. which is true. but irrelevant*
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 15:10
I'd have thought that the mere existence of things like Goatse would be proof enough that the anatomy we're talking about is quite strechy if need be. ;)

that's not normal. ;) (if you think it is......)

anyway, the intercourse parts (see, I am being polite) come with their own lubrication devices, and one of them is made for stretching.....they are built for intercourse.

not saying you can't do the other, just saying it takes more patience and help.
The Tribes Of Longton
02-05-2007, 15:13
it's anatomy, basic anatomy.
The basic anatomy says it'll fit. As a distinctly distasteful discussion point, I've had bigger poos than the average man's member.

EDIT: I really wanted to use diatribe in that sentence, as the web definition is "thunderous verbal attack" :p
Smunkeeville
02-05-2007, 15:15
The basic anatomy says it'll fit.
I suppose it depends on a number of factors.


As a distinctly distasteful discussion point, I've had bigger poos than the average man's member.

http://www.helpbytes.co.uk/images/smileys/26.gif
Whereyouthinkyougoing
02-05-2007, 15:15
*points out that smunkee said not "exactly" built for intercourse. which is true. but irrelevant*
*points out that she was referring to the "there's not much stretch in that area" part" but acknowledges that one couldn't actually tell from the post*

that's not normal. ;) (if you think it is......) Yes. I totally did. I'm so happy you opened my eyes.

not saying you can't do the other, just saying it takes more patience and help.Ah, see, now that I can agree with entirely. Yay.
Imperial isa
02-05-2007, 15:47
looks at whats it turn into
http://smileydatabase.com/s/916.gif
Gravlen
02-05-2007, 20:40
Thank you Gravlen, I respect your opinion and I think you're right.
:)

As for my not so serious answer back: Oh really? You want to join us? ;)
:eek:

Or to phrase it differently: Butt of course!
:p

He won't. He was just blasted. Weren't you, Gravlen?
Yeah, but you didn't seem to mind ;)
I use plenty of lube. It's just too big, that's all.
That's what they all say ;) :p

Oh, and Don't click this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU) unless you're really really curious...
*is too shy to say something but likes to point out that she doesn't entirely agree with Smunkee*
Oh, I declare!! :eek:

*Faints*
Johnny B Goode
02-05-2007, 21:00
Yeah, but you didn't seem to mind ;)

I'd just drank a shitload of absinth! I thought you were a girl.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
02-05-2007, 21:04
Oh, and Don't click this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU) unless you're really really curious... 1,000,000 brain cells lost and counting.

Oh, I declare!! :eek:

*Faints*Oh, cut out the innocent act. We're long beyond buying it. ;)
Gravlen
02-05-2007, 21:11
I'd just drank a shitload of absinth! I thought you were a girl.
*Giggles femininely*
1,000,000 brain cells lost and counting.
One day people will start taking my warnings seriously :p

Oh, and is it stuck on your mind yet? Is it? What, what? ;)

*Hides*

Oh, cut out the innocent act. We're long beyond buying it. ;)
Damn it! You've got me all figured out!


*Sells off all remaining crates of innocence and haloes*
Johnny B Goode
02-05-2007, 21:40
*Giggles femininely*

It might have been vodka. All I know is that I had to have coffee poured into me intravenously.
United Beleriand
02-05-2007, 21:48
wow, the homo thread still ain't over....
Gravlen
02-05-2007, 23:04
It might have been vodka. All I know is that I had to have coffee poured into me intravenously.
Everything's ok... With Vodka. :)
wow, the homo thread still ain't over....
I still won't have sex with you.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
02-05-2007, 23:08
I still won't have sex with you.Always good to know.
The_pantless_hero
02-05-2007, 23:11
lawl, buttsecks.
http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/surprise_buttsecks.jpg
Gravlen
03-05-2007, 20:57
Always good to know.

I thought it needed a clarification :D
The Infinite Dunes
03-05-2007, 21:08
Aw, cute! Did we make you blush? :D

Come on, test it out on us imaginary internet people. Tell us a personal sex story. Even if it doesn't involve anybody else! <3Not so much a sex story really, but my current boyfriend told me that "It's not rape if you yell surprise"... suffice to say I have been entirely banned from saying the word by him, whether in bed or otherwise... I care more about humour and freaking him out than sex... whatever that says about me.
Jello Biafra
03-05-2007, 21:19
Not so much a sex story really, but my current boyfriend told me that "It's not rape if you yell surprise"... suffice to say I have been entirely banned from saying the word by him, whether in bed or otherwise... I care more about humour and freaking him out than sex... whatever that says about me.That kinda gives a whole new meaning to the surprise party, doesn't it?
Mikesburg
03-05-2007, 22:23
That kinda gives a whole new meaning to the surprise party, doesn't it?

So many sitcom surprise party episodes just took a completely different turn in my head...
Johnny B Goode
04-05-2007, 20:58
Everything's ok... With Vodka. :)

That's true.
Vetalia
04-05-2007, 20:59
Did the balls touch?
Gravlen
05-05-2007, 00:15
That's true.

*Cuddles*
Harlesburg
05-05-2007, 00:18
Did the balls touch?
Or swords cross?:D
Utracia
05-05-2007, 00:22
I still won't have sex with you.

Quit trying to make the guy cry. :D
Ifreann
05-05-2007, 00:23
http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/surprise_buttsecks.jpg

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/invisible_buttsecks.jpg
Chadbeef
05-05-2007, 00:28
Well if he wuz drunk and didnt kiss the other dude or any crap like that dont worry. he probably jus didnt realize wut he wuz doin anyways. unless he said so. but id give u a story but ive never cuddled with any other guys.
Gravlen
05-05-2007, 00:35
Well if he wuz drunk and didnt kiss the other dude or any crap like that dont worry. he probably jus didnt realize wut he wuz doin anyways. unless he said so. but id give u a story but ive never cuddled with any other guys.

I'm sorry, but... you're drunk now, aye?
Harlesburg
05-05-2007, 00:37
Thank you, if he leaves me I will definitely have to turn to the sexy men of NationStates to comfort me. :D
So you won't come to me, ouch.
Vetalia
05-05-2007, 00:48
Or swords cross?:D

If they did, it's gay.
Greyenivol Colony
05-05-2007, 00:50
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AT1e3aj7irU
Harlesburg
05-05-2007, 00:50
If they did, it's gay.
Very gay.
---------
Ilie, did you ask him if he got wood?
Ilie
05-05-2007, 01:37
Very gay.
---------
Ilie, did you ask him if he got wood?

I did ask him that, and he said he didn't. That is a good sign, although it could have been because of the approximately 35 beers in his system.
Ilie
05-05-2007, 01:41
Communication is key. Share your fantasies with eachother. Even if they remain fantasies, you'll have a healthier sexlife overall. :)

Oh, I do. In fact, tonight we're going out and he's finding a girl for me. <3 What a good man. :D
Ilie
05-05-2007, 01:41
I agree, I'd be uncomfortable if my bf got drunk like that, too. Seems to me that if he doesn't get drunk, you'd have nothing to worry about.

Yyyyeaaah, agreed. Time to start looking into that...
Ilie
05-05-2007, 01:44
To be honest, just the one, hon.


Goddammit! I wish I'd seen this before he got deleted...which one of my pictures is slutty??

Aaaargh! *shakes fists at the gods*
Neesika
05-05-2007, 01:44
By the way...the OP's story? Totally hot.

More 'straight' guys should feel free to cuddle with other guys, gay or 'straight'.
Ilie
05-05-2007, 01:46
:p

Made me laugh. <.<

yeah, there's not much stretch in that area, it's not exactly built for intercourse. ;)

*is too shy to say something but likes to point out that she doesn't entirely agree with Smunkee*

it's anatomy, basic anatomy.

The basic anatomy says it'll fit. As a distinctly distasteful discussion point, I've had bigger poos than the average man's member.

EDIT: I really wanted to use diatribe in that sentence, as the web definition is "thunderous verbal attack" :p

Okay, to address this: my man's member is not average. He's too big for even the regular way to be comfortable in certain positions, let alone the "not meant for intercourse" way. And that is all I'm going to say about that! *comes to grips with the fact that this is pretty slutty to be talking about...oh well*
Ilie
05-05-2007, 01:48
I'd just drank a shitload of absinth! I thought you were a girl.

OMG I have had absinthe, and it is insane. Never again.
Ilie
05-05-2007, 01:49
1,000,000 brain cells lost and counting.

Oh, cut out the innocent act. We're long beyond buying it. ;)

I'm glad I didn't click it.

*waits 15 seconds*

I'm still glad I didn't click it! Yay!
Ilie
05-05-2007, 01:55
Not so much a sex story really, but my current boyfriend told me that "It's not rape if you yell surprise"... suffice to say I have been entirely banned from saying the word by him, whether in bed or otherwise... I care more about humour and freaking him out than sex... whatever that says about me.

You know, I've heard that...haha!
Ilie
05-05-2007, 01:56
Did the balls touch?

They both had their underwear on, but beyond that I couldn't say. It's improbable but not impossible, and it is not a question I have asked him (or particularly want to ask him).
Ilie
05-05-2007, 01:59
So you won't come to me, ouch.

Now now, I didn't say that. Don't be so down on yourself. :)
Ilie
05-05-2007, 02:01
By the way...the OP's story? Totally hot.

More 'straight' guys should feel free to cuddle with other guys, gay or 'straight'.

You know, it was pretty hot, and thanks to everybody here I am back to getting all hot and bothered over it, and he said it's my turn to be gay this weekend so I win. :cool:
Gravlen
05-05-2007, 02:05
Oh, I do. In fact, tonight we're going out and he's finding a girl for me. <3 What a good man. :D
:eek:

Good kinky! He's a clever boy that one!
Goddammit! I wish I'd seen this before he got deleted...which one of my pictures is slutty??

Aaaargh! *shakes fists at the gods*
I'm guessing... the slutty one *nods*
Okay, to address this: my man's member is not average. He's too big for even the regular way to be comfortable in certain positions, let alone the "not meant for intercourse" way. And that is all I'm going to say about that! *comes to grips with the fact that this is pretty slutty to be talking about...oh well*
:cool: I have nothing else to say :P
I'm glad I didn't click it.

*waits 15 seconds*

I'm still glad I didn't click it! Yay!
Click it. Cliiiiick it!! You know you want to... but shouldn't! Feel the curiousity! But keep your sanity! Don't click it! *Escapes with sanity* http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/transport012.gif
Harlesburg
05-05-2007, 02:05
Now now, I didn't say that. Don't be so down on yourself. :)
*Tis'nt sexy*
OMG I have had absinthe, and it is insane. Never again.
Expensive stuff, aye?:cool:
Okay, to address this: my man's member is not average. He's too big for even the regular way to be comfortable in certain positions, let alone the "not meant for intercourse" way. And that is all I'm going to say about that! *comes to grips with the fact that this is pretty slutty to be talking about...oh well*
A lady on NS?:eek: :)
Roasty
05-05-2007, 02:23
The whole incident was because of the '35 beers' in his system :P We've all been there.. sort of "See tish guy, thish iz the guy *drunk tears* i love you man". And thats just with regular mates, whole nother kettle of fish if its a guy thats all for suprise buttsex.

If he seemed freaked out by it, dont worry. If he didn't ask him if he might want to experiment with you or something (hell you win either way am I right?).

Hope this helped some =P
Jello Biafra
05-05-2007, 02:34
Yyyyeaaah, agreed. Time to start looking into that...Yeah. I'm not sure what boundaries you two have set, but drinking in moderation seems like the way to go to me.

Okay, to address this: my man's member is not average. He's too big for even the regular way to be comfortable in certain positions, let alone the "not meant for intercourse" way. And that is all I'm going to say about that! *comes to grips with the fact that this is pretty slutty to be talking about...oh well*Oh? And you say he's curious? Hmm... <Plans trip to Baltimore.>
Johnny B Goode
05-05-2007, 16:01
*Cuddles*

Eh, I was drunk and I thought you were a girl. If you were drunk and thought I was a girl, between the two of us, we were lesbians.
Nag Ehgoeg
05-05-2007, 17:05
Well personally, I wouldn't be worried.

Judge the guy by how he treats you not on one drunken night.

If he's treating you good, and showing that he loves you - then he's not gonna be running off with anyone anytime soon (regardless of gender).

If he's acting more withdrawn than usual and seeming suspicious, then suspect something is going on.

And hey, think of the possibilities (http://youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3D39EEK9yaGz4)!
Harlesburg
09-05-2007, 09:11
I did ask him that, and he said he didn't. That is a good sign, although it could have been because of the approximately 35 beers in his system.
'Man saved by beer, once again!'