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He sounds like he's Hitler. He even thinks he will become the new one. He likes Mein Kampf and hates the jews, and the gays, and the gypsies. He think there will be a Fourth Reich. What do you all think of this?

Sadly deluded but dangerous crank.

He sounds like he's Hitler. He even thinks he will become the new one. He likes Mein Kampf and hates the jews, and the gays, and the gypsies. He think there will be a Fourth Reich. What do you all think of this?

If you did this willingly, you're a brave person. I wouldn't even think of talking to a snake like that.

I did not realize he was one at first. I am love Germany, but it makes me sad there are still neo-nazis

Well, hopefully you understand now why the idea of banning the NPD is never quite thrown out completely in Germany. It doesn't exactly sit well with people, if you know what I mean.

He sounds like he's Hitler. He even thinks he will become the new one. He likes Mein Kampf and hates the jews, and the gays, and the gypsies. He think there will be a Fourth Reich. What do you all think of this?

I think that as delusions go, his is terribly uncreative. I can do and have done better. :)

He sounds like he's Hitler. I swear. Its as if I am actually talking to one of the most murderous men in history. If it were up to me, I'd arrest him, and the sad thing is, he's 14.

There was a neo-nazi on here a while back. Fastest growing thread I ever did see.

There was a neo-nazi on here a while back. Fastest growing thread I ever did see.

We used to have several. Their nincompoopery was not against forum rules. But one by one, they broke flaming or other rules(as nincompoops usually do), and left.

Part of me misses them. But the other part of me smacks that part of me with a mallet and tells it to shut up. :)

He sounds like he's Hitler. I swear. Its as if I am actually talking to one of the most murderous men in history. If it were up to me, I'd arrest him, and the sad thing is, he's 14.

Fortunately, it isn't up to you.

Now, if he is bothering you so much, stop talking to him instead of bitching about it as if you just skinned your knee.

How did you even stand to talk to them? I hardly can stand to listen to this one, and thats only cause he actually listens to me.

Fortunately, it isn't up to you.

Now, if he is bothering you so much, stop talking to him instead of bitching about it as if you just skinned your knee.

I thought it be an interesting discussion on General. And I wouldn't arrest him, thats just me babbling, but I would like to, I guess freedom of speech, though, right?

Well, hopefully you understand now why the idea of banning the NPD is never quite thrown out completely in Germany. It doesn't exactly sit well with people, if you know what I mean.
You can't outlaw a political party that you don't agree with.....you can only try to show the populace reason and hope that they show faith in your reason, and not in the extremism of the NDP....

That being said, there would hardly be any support for the NDP and parties like it if moderate political parties addressed the racial/ethnic/cultural problems that plague Europe and the rest of Western world today...instead, they chose to ignore these issues and hope that by sweating them under the rug, they will go away.

Our governments are fueling these extreme parties by refusing to get down and dirty with real life, and the problems of our soceity.

What do you all think of this?
Give him a hug, then blitz his ideology. I think he's exactly the kind of person that most needs to be exposed to genuine benevolent human contact from all walks of life rather than put in isolation where his delusions will only get worse. I've found that the direct confrontation of bigotry must be consolidated with empathy if it is to succeed. So lay into his beliefs with calm and rational argument, but don't attack him directly if you can at all avoid it.

I thought it be an interesting discussion on General. And I wouldn't arrest him, thats just me babbling, but I would like to, I guess freedom of speech, though, right?

I direct you to the persuasive wisdom of Oliver Wendell Holmes in his dissent in Abrams v. United States (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/250/616.html ), 250 US 616, 630 (1919):

Persecution for the expression of opinions seems to me perfectly logical. If you have no doubt of your premises or your power and want a certain result with all your heart you naturally express your wishes in law and sweep away all opposition. To allow opposition by speech seems to indicate that you think the speech impotent, as when a man says that he has squared the circle, or that you do not care whole heartedly for the result, or that you doubt either your power or your premises. But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas-that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution. It is an experiment, as all life is an experiment. Every year if not every day we have to wager our salvation upon some prophecy based upon imperfect knowledge. While that experiment is part of our system I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death, unless they so imminently threaten immediate interference with the lawful and pressing purposes of the law that an immediate check is required to save the country.

And from Justice Brandeis, concurring in Whitney v. California (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=274&invol=357#377), 274 U.S. 357, 377 (1927):
To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.

Give him a hug, then blitz his ideology. I think he's exactly the kind of person that most needs to be exposed to genuine benevolent human contact from all walks of life rather than put in isolation where his delusions will only get worse. I've found that the direct confrontation of bigotry must be consolidated with empathy if it is to succeed. So lay into his beliefs with calm and rational argument, but don't attack him directly if you can at all avoid it.

I have been taking that approach. I was talking via IM. He would make his point, and I would counter it. Personally, I think it stems from his family, who he says all served in the German Army, and they have a signed copy of Mein Kampf by Hitler himself. When he talked about taking over the world, I politely reminded him that the U.S. beat him twice, and we could do it a third time. I also pointed out that instead of killing all the people he hates, he should send them over here. He agreed. Then we get to use them against him, or so I was thinking. He thinks he smarter than Hitler, yet he thinks he can conquer the world. That is damn impossible. You think Putin or China would really stand for that? And, they have nukes. I told him that. He said fuck them, and its something they cower behind. I said thats irreverently, because that can still kill him. He grudgingly admitted to that. So, I have prevented him from actually doing anything, or so I hope.

You can't outlaw a political party that you don't agree with.....you can only try to show the populace reason and hope that they show faith in your reason, and not in the extremism of the NDP....
Yes, indeed.

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For my really smart post that almost no one commented on:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12593988&postcount=13

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For my really smart post that almost no one commented on:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12593988&postcount=13

Yes. Extermisism is fueled by the government's suckage sometimes. Thats how Hitler came into power in the first place.

We used to have several. Their nincompoopery was not against forum rules. But one by one, they broke flaming or other rules(as nincompoops usually do), and left.

Part of me misses them. But the other part of me smacks that part of me with a mallet and tells it to shut up. :)

I don't know, I always missed MTAE. He wasn't a neonazi, but he still provoked some good discussion once in a while. (But don't get me started on that fucking thread where he called McCarthy a hero.)

He sounds like he's Hitler. I swear. Its as if I am actually talking to one of the most murderous men in history. If it were up to me, I'd arrest him, and the sad thing is, he's 14.14? :eek: another lost human.... arrest sounds good, indeed.
nevertheless I see no danger, that any of these morons are taking over power in Germany or elsewhere in Europe anytime soon.

You can't outlaw a political party that you don't agree with.....you can only try to show the populace reason and hope that they show faith in your reason, and not in the extremism of the NDP....
Knowing fully well that the NPD appeals to people who couldn't define the word "reason" if they tried.

That being said, there would hardly be any support for the NDP and parties like it if moderate political parties addressed the racial/ethnic/cultural problems that plague Europe and the rest of Western world today...instead, they chose to ignore these issues and hope that by sweating them under the rug, they will go away.
That might have been true in some countries ten years ago. Today there is not a government in Europe that doesn't talk about immigration and how to make it work.

The problem you have is that you pretend the only sort of solution is one that protects some sort of ill-defined "native culture". Actually living in these countries and having to deal with people, voters even, rather than heady concepts out of a 19th century sociology textbook means that politicians have to be pragmatic about it. They don't have the luxury of the NPD which only has argue out of hate without having to bother with reality.

The Final Solution is to get this individual on NSG.

The Final Solution is to get this individual on NSG.

I can direct him here, if you wish.

He sounds like he's Hitler. I swear. Its as if I am actually talking to one of the most murderous men in history. If it were up to me, I'd arrest him, and the sad thing is, he's 14.

Thats scary. When I was working in an orphanage, there was a kid who was taken away from his gangster father (MS-13 if I remember correctly) and he had this terrifying hatred of black people that was just driven into him. I remember that we had to watch him all the time.

14? Eh, he's probably going through a "phase" in life. First it's nazi, tomorrow it's stalinist, then he'll be into submissive sex with big beautiful black femmes.

If he's not already.

14? Eh, he's probably going through a "phase" in life. First it's nazi, tomorrow it's stalinist, then he'll be into submissive sex with big beautiful black femmes.

If he's not already.

I am almost positive its not a phase. He is very smart, if not misguided.

I am almost positive its not a phase. He is very smart, if not misguided.

Smart people can go through phases too.

And if it's not, so what? One more nazi trash filling the sewer-holes of the world. Nothing new, but you might want to advise him not to goose-step his way around me.

We used to have several. Their nincompoopery was not against forum rules. But one by one, they broke flaming or other rules(as nincompoops usually do), and left.

Part of me misses them. But the other part of me smacks that part of me with a mallet and tells it to shut up. :)

I still fondly remember the great welcoming party we gave to the last big wave of neo-nazis.

I have been taking that approach. I was talking via IM. He would make his point, and I would counter it. Personally, I think it stems from his family, who he says all served in the German Army, and they have a signed copy of Mein Kampf by Hitler himself. When he talked about taking over the world, I politely reminded him that the U.S. beat him twice, and we could do it a third time. I also pointed out that instead of killing all the people he hates, he should send them over here. He agreed. Then we get to use them against him, or so I was thinking. He thinks he smarter than Hitler, yet he thinks he can conquer the world. That is damn impossible. You think Putin or China would really stand for that? And, they have nukes. I told him that. He said fuck them, and its something they cower behind. I said thats irreverently, because that can still kill him. He grudgingly admitted to that. So, I have prevented him from actually doing anything, or so I hope.

As people have pointed out, he's 14. What do you expect at 14?

You can't outlaw a political party that you don't agree with.....you can only try to show the populace reason and hope that they show faith in your reason, and not in the extremism of the NDP....

That being said, there would hardly be any support for the NDP and parties like it if moderate political parties addressed the racial/ethnic/cultural problems that plague Europe and the rest of Western world today...instead, they chose to ignore these issues and hope that by sweating them under the rug, they will go away.

Well, in the US at least, it's a different situation. The parties regularly use these issues as a bloody shirt. We could well do to get the parties to shut up about it a bit, and quit exacerbating the problems.

Our governments are fueling these extreme parties by refusing to get down and dirty with real life, and the problems of our soceity.

The government is often the cause of those problems in the first place....

14? :eek: another lost human.... arrest sounds good, indeed.
nevertheless I see no danger, that any of these morons are taking over power in Germany or elsewhere in Europe anytime soon.

Nah. Just another silly kid.

14? Eh, he's probably going through a "phase" in life. First it's nazi, tomorrow it's stalinist, then he'll be into submissive sex with big beautiful black femmes.

If he's not already.

Indeed, indeed.

I am 15, and just turned it last week, and i'm not a neo-nazi, lol?:)

I can direct him here, if you wish.

It might shatter his delusions.

Good. He's contradicting himself.

He says U.S. and Israel needs to stay out of other peoples business.

And yet he says "One day, Germany's armies will be rampaging across Europe."

I am 15, and just turned it last week, and i'm not a neo-nazi, lol?:)

Nobody said you were...

Children your age often have silly ideas. No harm, and it doesn't mean you'll grow up having those same silly ideas.

I am talking to a NPD member

and the sad thing is, he's 14.

14 years old people can already join political parties?
By the way, I would say it is good thing that he is only 14, that means he still has some years to get touch with reality.

When he talked about taking over the world, I politely reminded him that the U.S. beat him twice, and we could do it a third time.

Yeah, good way to forget UK, France and Russia/USSR. I suggest you to say some harsh words to your history teacher because World Wars were not simply USA vs Germany.

He sounds like he's Hitler. He even thinks he will become the new one. He likes Mein Kampf and hates the jews, and the gays, and the gypsies. He think there will be a Fourth Reich. What do you all think of this?

Its amusing, in a bleak way. If hes under 18 I'd say he'll grow out of it once he gets laid a few times.

When he talked about taking over the world, I politely reminded him that the U.S. beat him twice, and we could do it a third time.

Total British casualties for World War One - 3.5 million.

France - 5,920,650

Russia - 6,700,000

US - 262,725

Just to put things into perspective.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/casualties.htm