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Ok so I think Sony have gone a bit OTT in order to sell a few games here.

*WARNING....LINK CONTAINS A PICTURE FROM THE FRONT PAGE OF THE DAILY MAIL WITH A BLURRED OUT DECAPITATED GOAT ON IT* *DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE SENSITIVE TO SUCH IMAGES*

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=451414&in_page_id=1770&ct=5#StartComments

They say no publicity is bad publicity but I'm not so sure....

You know there was somebody there who said, "You know... maybe this isn't such a good id... WOW that's a lot of blood."

Worst marketing idea ever... I think. Maybe there is worse.

Daily Fail said it, so I don't believe it.

I know that's retarded, but they really are that bad.

Worst marketing idea ever... I think. Maybe there is worse.

Well it seems to be working. It's already in the news.

Daily Fail said it, so I don't believe it.

I know that's retarded, but they really are that bad.

I don't think they'd make up a story like that and put it on their front page with a giant like Sony on the receiving end if it was untrue somehow.

Yes, I know teh mail is shit.

I don't think they'd make up a story like that and put it on their front page with a giant like Sony on the receiving end if it was untrue somehow.


Yes, yes they would.

Well it seems to be working. It's already in the news.

But now we have to hear shit from Jack Thompson and then we'll have to deal with five threads complaining about him and then it will get all merged and we'll have to read through the whole thing just to see if anybody responded to whatever we had to say before the unholy merging and don't you see? Don't you?

Wow, they killed a goat. Was it endangered? If not, then so what?

Wow, they killed a goat. Was it endangered? If not, then so what?

I can guarantee there was a moment when it felt frightfully endangered.

Eh? (http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i18052)

and that, good mates, is why i buy micro$slave. ^^

Eh? (http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i18052)

Wait, so Sony killed the goat... for satire?

Wait, so Sony killed the goat... for satire?

Correct!

Correct!

Man... cold blooded. That game must rock.

Sounds suspiciously like Jennifer Government....

Man... cold blooded. That game must rock.

*lol*
Not played no.2, but God of War was pretty good. I almost broke my anti-Sony products rule to buy a PS2 and a copy...... I didn't though.

*lol*
Not played no.2, but God of War was pretty good. I almost broke my anti-Sony products rule to buy a PS2 and a copy...... I didn't though.

I'm pretty much pro-sony but I don't really know why and I'm not going to try to defend it. Kind of like smoking cigarettes.

I'm pretty much pro-sony but I don't really know why and I'm not going to try to defend it. Kind of like smoking cigarettes.
Perhaps they making sacrifices to the gods to help their profitability? They could certainly use the help. :)

I'm pretty much pro-sony but I don't really know why and I'm not going to try to defend it. Kind of like smoking cigarettes.

You know it's bad for you....but you just can't help yourself?

I've had several Sony products and they've all been shit quality (except the original Walkman and PS1), after paying premium price I expect good quality merchandise that lasts. Nevermind eh, I'm sure my boycott of their products won't stop them from sleeping at night.....

I've had several Sony products and they've all been shit quality (except the original Walkman and PS1), after paying premium price I expect good quality merchandise that lasts. Nevermind eh, I'm sure my boycott of their products won't stop them from sleeping at night.....
I've hard the reverse experience - almost all the products I've bought from Sony have been top notch.

I've hard the reverse experience - almost all the products I've bought from Sony have been top notch.

Sucks to be me :(

As if I needed another reason to buy a PS3...

Wow, they killed a goat. Was it endangered? If not, then so what?

Killing animals just for entertainment is frowned upon.

As if I needed another reason to buy a PS3...

This was a PS2 promotion.....

Killing animals just for entertainment is frowned upon.


Ever heard of sport hunting?

I don't think they'd make up a story like that and put it on their front page with a giant like Sony on the receiving end if it was untrue somehow.

Tabloids'll do anything.

Right, so if we kill it and skin it and pop it in a sammich then it's alright if it helps sell a game. But if we don't do that and if it even remotely looks like this lump of flesh could have once been alive then it is more morally abhorent than sodomising a dead baby. Ok, cool. :)

Tabloids'll do anything.

So will money-hungry corporations like Sony

I can guarantee there was a moment when it felt frightfully endangered.

After which it died.

After which it died.

Still....there's plenty more where that one came from

http://www.geekhumor.com/data/508/vend_a_goat.jpg

:p

After which it died.

Gone to a better place. Heaven and people bellies.

Well, if the true story is a satire, I'd like to know where Daily Mail got that picture of PlayStation Magazine with the 2-page photo of the event.

So what?

Yesterday I ate meat. Today I ate meat. Tomorow Ill eat meat.

And I like it.

This goat was created, raised and killed to fulfill our needs. If we need it to help get money, use him to get money.

He should be proud of it. While most goats die for barbecue, he died to give millions of dolars to its owner.

*lol*
Not played no.2, but God of War was pretty good. I almost broke my anti-Sony products rule to buy a PS2 and a copy...... I didn't though.
The first level of God of War II you fight an animated colossus. No shit.
This sums it up nicely.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/19

So, if they ordered a goat from the butcher and had a barbeque, nothing would be amiss. It happens to millions of animals every day, no one cares. God forbid someone actually SEE that what they eat everyday was once a living creature! :eek:

The horror. The fucking horror. :rolleyes:

The goat had it coming.
Fucking goats, think they own every bridge in the whole goddamn world. Those things don't upkeep themselves, you know, and if you want a working transportation infrastructure, you have to be willing to make sacrifices to the people who have devoted their lives to that upkeep.

The first level of God of War II you fight an animated colossus. No shit.
This sums it up nicely.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/19


Cool. I may have to put away my Sony hatred to play this one. PS2's are ridiculously cheap now after all. :)

Ever heard of sport hunting?

Yes. So let me repeat myself: Killing animals just for entertainment is frowned upon.

Yes. So let me repeat myself: Killing animals just for entertainment is frowned upon.
Ever heard of steak? Or sausage? Or chicken cutlets?
It is healthier, more humane and more ecologically responsible to live on a vegetarian diet. However, Westerners eat meat anyway because we think it tastes good, and farmers raise the animals in hellish conditions because that makes it cheaper.

Worst marketing idea ever... I think.

You only think that because you didn't see the "Schmekle the Happy Jew" advertisements for Zyclon-B.

Yes. So let me repeat myself: Killing animals just for entertainment is frowned upon.

QFT

Ever heard of steak? Or sausage? Or chicken cutlets?
It is healthier, more humane and more ecologically responsible to live on a vegetarian diet. However, Westerners eat meat anyway because we think it tastes good, and farmers raise the animals in hellish conditions because that makes it cheaper.

Grav stated killing for ENTERTAINMENT was frowned upon, not killing for food.
Hellish conditions is a bit of an overstatement. Farming in the UK is governed by a welfare code set by the government. I studied at an agricultural college and worked on a few farms myself so I know what goes on. Slaughterhouses are a different story altogether though.

Sony are Satanic I tell ya! :p

Yes. So let me repeat myself: Killing animals just for entertainment is frowned upon.
So they should stop serving food at entertainment events?

Grav stated killing for ENTERTAINMENT was frowned upon, not killing for food.
People don't eat meat because it is essential or even advisable, they eat meat because it is pleasurable to do so. Hence, entertainment.
Moreover, most food consumption in the West is done as entertainment. See, growing obesity levels and the popularity of cheese cake.
Hellish conditions is a bit of an overstatement. Farming in the UK is governed by a welfare code set by the government. I studied at an agricultural college and worked on a few farms myself so I know what goes on. Slaughterhouses are a different story altogether though.
I was thinking more of US factory farming and the horror stories my old roommate had about pâté de foie gras.

They only said the goat was freshly decapitated. They didn't say who decapitated it. Maybe it was an accident. You know, maybe it was trying to jump over a barbed wire fence. And a sony rep driving to the party in his toga saw it lying by the side of the road still twitching and tried to save it's life. But alas, reattaching severed heads is not for amateurs. Still, waste not want not. He loads up the carcass into his Corolla and zips over to the party. After a moment of alarm when he is first seen carrying a bloody headless goat into the party, all agree that it was a stroke of good fortune.

:)

Man... cold blooded. That game must rock.

It's God of War II. I'll repeat that. It's God of Mother-fucking War II.

Yes, it certainly does rock.

People don't eat meat because it is essential or even advisable, they eat meat because it is pleasurable to do so. Hence, entertainment.
Moreover, most food consumption in the West is done as entertainment. See, growing obesity levels and the popularity of cheese cake.

I was thinking more of US factory farming and the horror stories my old roommate had about pâté de foie gras.

mmmmmm........cheesecake *drools*.

I think you're being a bit too tenuous with the whole meat = entertainment bit here. Meat=food=life (not for the animal though). This goat wasn't killed for food, it was pure promotion.

Share the pâté de foie gras story!

It is healthier,
Nope. Healthiest people on the planet eat lots of pork and fish.

more humane
Nope. Killing animals for food is done quickly and painlessly. However, every time a field is harvested for grain or vegetables, thousands of animals are brutally torn apart.

and more ecologically responsible to live on a vegetarian diet.
Nope. Food animals are fed on the grain that we cannot eat, which is grown in places where high-quality grain cannot be grown. Without food animals, our available food would be far less. In addition, animals that are allowed to forage on grass are far less ecologically destructive than agriculture.

They only said the goat was freshly decapitated. They didn't say who decapitated it. Maybe it was an accident. You know, maybe it was trying to jump over a barbed wire fence. And a sony rep driving to the party in his toga saw it lying by the side of the road still twitching and tried to save it's life. But alas, reattaching severed heads is not for amateurs. Still, waste not want not. He loads up the carcass into his Corolla and zips over to the party. After a moment of alarm when he is first seen carrying a bloody headless goat into the party, all agree that it was a stroke of good fortune.

:)

If the theory of millions of universes with every eventuality played out is correct then maybe.......but in this one?

Still.......that sounds like a normal everyday event for LG! :p

Nope. Killing animals for food is done quickly and painlessly. However, every time a field is harvested for grain or vegetables, thousands of animals are brutally torn apart.

Killing them may be. Raising them for the slaughter is not. They are kept in cramped conditions for their entire lives. They often come down with diseases and are given ridiculous amounts of antibiotic to keep them healthy enough to eat. Conditions for these animals are far more disgusting than they would be if they were free.

On a side note, a more valid reason to not eat meat is the fact that the majority of grain produced in the world goes to feeding livestock, which are then eaten by mostly first world countries. Less livestock in fact results in more grain for the rest of the world.

What amuses me most about this article is that the Mail doesn't seem to take issue with the fact that the girl in the photo's nipples are clearly visible through the latex body-covering.

I find it absolutely hilarious when people get on a high horse about eating meat because the poor, helpless animal was slaughtered to provide that meat.

When the house/apartment/mobile home you lived in was built, thousands of living creatures died to provide you with shelter. Thousands more die every time you call the exterminator, mow your lawn, cut down that tree that's blocking your view of the ecologically friendly electric plant in your neighborhood, etc.

When your car was made, thousands of living creatures died to provide you with transportation. During the mining of the metal, creation of the genuine naugahyde interior, etc., thousands of creatures laid down their lives so you could get to your vegan friendly market.

When your computer was built, thousands of living creatures died, so you could have a forum in which to complain we're mercilessly slaughtering creatures for our own enjoyment.

When your clothes were made, so we don't have to see your pasty white skin, free of cosmetics which are tested on poor, innocent puppies, thousands of living creatures died.

When your vegan friendly market sells you your vegetables, think about all the living creatures who died to provide you with those vegetables. Between the creation of the equipment to harvest the fields, the actual harvesting in which living creatures are brutally slaughtered, the living creatures which are murdered heartlessly to keep them from eating your pure vegan harvest, etc.

Just because you nobly refrain from eating meat doesn't mean you aren't responsible for the death of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths, in your lifetime.

So get off the high horse. Living means other living creatures might be required to die for your comfort or your needs. That's what life is. You're no better or worse than the rest of us, even those of us who eat meat and enjoy it.

This was a PS2 promotion.....

Exactly. If they do this to promote a PS2 game, imagine what they'll do for a ps3 game...

What amuses me most about this article is that the Mail doesn't seem to take issue with the fact that the girl in the photo's nipples are clearly visible through the latex body-covering.
It's a British paper, they arn't tight-ass prudes. And I doubt it is latex body-covering. It's the same body paint that's around her eyes.

Listen, when there's a picture like that you warn people, okay?

Ever heard of steak? Or sausage? Or chicken cutlets?
It is healthier, more humane and more ecologically responsible to live on a vegetarian diet. However, Westerners eat meat anyway because we think it tastes good, and farmers raise the animals in hellish conditions because that makes it cheaper.

I'd agree with the more ecological part. Roughly some vegetarian diets are not as healthy and some get to roughly equal healthiness.

Most 'western' countries use a specifice laws to try to stop cruelty.

In the future it will probably be more efficient to produce a mainly vegetarian diet (with improved strains of crops) and meat itself would probably be a monoculture tissue grown (thus increasing efficiency of it) only used for some high energy/protein meals (more than likely for millitary use).

This thread's making me hungry for goat. :(

Clearly the game being promoted is not kid-friendly.

;)

Clearly the game being promoted is not kid-friendly.

;)

Nice. :p

However, every time a field is harvested for grain or vegetables, thousands of animals are brutally torn apart.

Huh?

Listen, when there's a picture like that you warn people, okay?


You mean the thread title 'Sony decapitates goat to promote' was not a big enough warning to you? Did it not.....give you a hint as to what the pic in the link would be?

Bloodied Goat's corpse! Head hanging by a thin sliver of flesh, with crimson blood dripping from it's severed jugular!

No?


I've actually got the magazine they have withrawn with this picture in, unpixellated, because I'm a subscriber, and as it says in the link, the mags had already been sent out before they withdrew them from the shelves.

I'm not against killing animals for survival, but killing animals for corporate exploitation to increase sales of a game is just sick and uneccessary.

If the game is that good, let it be sold on it's merits, not on a stupid stunt like this. C'mon Sony....you are not that desperate for sales.....are you?

*cough*

Yeah, it's the Daily Tale screaming this story, and the animal's corpse may well have been picked up from a butcher and it was not killed for the show, but that's not been made clear, and using an animal's corpse for a party game is something that should be reserved for the Blairs and Bushs and NeoCons of this world.

Huh?

Fieldmice, prairie dogs, unlucky birds, frogs, insects of all kinds, etc. Unless you plant meticulously by hand, which is fine for the backyard hobby garden, but not for ConAgra. :p

Not that I entertain vegetarianism to begin with, but it is true that things die when we harvest anything.

Clearly the game being promoted is not kid-friendly.

;)

Thank you. :)

Fieldmice, prairie dogs, unlucky birds, frogs, insects of all kinds, etc. Unless you plant meticulously by hand, which is fine for the backyard hobby garden, but not for ConAgra. :p

Not that I entertain vegetarianism to begin with, but it is true that things die when we harvest anything.Pfft, that's what the fools get for trespassing and not respecting property rights. Screw them I say.

Pfft, that's what the fools get for trespassing and not respecting property rights. Screw them I say.

Exactly.


Time for me to get some shuteye.. though not before I recommend my favorite goat restaurant to anyone who appreciates good goat in the greater L.A. area.. if you haven't already heard of it, Birrieria Chalio does goat like no place else in the city. They do goat and basically nothing else, and they have it down to a science, I can say from experience.. I've eaten goat in several countries and two continents, and they're still my favorite. That's 3580 East First Street, in L.A. :)

Clearly the game being promoted is not kid-friendly.

;)

This nanny-state would never give us un-feta'd access.

Exactly. If they do this to promote a PS2 game, imagine what they'll do for a ps3 game...

Human sacrifice ftw.

1. IT's obviously fake.

2. Who cares? If it's okay to kill animals for food, it's okay to kill them for profit. (Yes, I'm not a believer in animal rights).

I don't think they'd make up a story like that and put it on their front page with a giant like Sony on the receiving end if it was untrue somehow.

Yes, I know teh mail is shit.


No, but they would exaggerate and throw it out of all context to get "middle England" whinging...I'm suprised they didn't try to work in an 'immigrants' angle...

I'm not against killing animals for survival, but killing animals for corporate exploitation to increase sales of a game is just sick and uneccessary.

There are a number of classes on the meat eating triangle.

Vegans
Vegetarians
People who will eat meat if they get to pretend meat is pulled out of thin air just like it is
People who have no moral obligations to meat and farm animals
People who gnaw on the cow

You are number 3
I'm 4

Who gives a fuck? If they had stuck it in a curtained box and you reached in threw the curtain, no one would be raising a fuss, but noooo, you see the animal so you go all PETA on us and pretend animals arn't slaughtered for food or something.

Fieldmice, prairie dogs, unlucky birds, frogs, insects of all kinds, etc. Unless you plant meticulously by hand, which is fine for the backyard hobby garden, but not for ConAgra. :p

Not that I entertain vegetarianism to begin with, but it is true that things die when we harvest anything.
But ethical vegetarians are visually ethical. They don't see the cute little bunnies and mice, so they pretend they arn't killed.

Sony are Satanic I tell ya! :p

No, they are japanese. And that makes them worst than the devil.

I've hard the reverse experience - almost all the products I've bought from Sony have been top notch.

Ditto.
Sony are teh win.

dont really care about the goat part, but the topless girls were a good idea :D

No, they are japanese. And that makes them worst than the devil.
Things learned from South Park #225 - Japanese people don't have souls.

Things learned from South Park #225 - Japanese people don't have souls.

The Chinese people agree! :p

There are a number of classes on the meat eating triangle.

Vegans
Vegetarians
People who will eat meat if they get to pretend meat is pulled out of thin air just like it is
People who have no moral obligations to meat and farm animals
People who gnaw on the cow

You are number 3
I'm 4

Who gives a fuck? If they had stuck it in a curtained box and you reached in threw the curtain, no one would be raising a fuss, but noooo, you see the animal so you go all PETA on us and pretend animals arn't slaughtered for food or something.

There are a number of people in the ethics category -

Those with morals that stand by them
Those without morals that claim to have them anyway
Those without morals and proudly advertise it

You are number 3
I'm 1

I don't know how it could be any clearer that this wasn't a case of killing a goat for food, it was a case of shamelessly killing something just to sell a few games.

I'm glad I saw this before I spent my tax return on PSP... now I'm certainly not going to, ever. Too bad, it looked like such a cool little system... but I can't give money to a company that does something like that.

I must be weird, I was more concered with the topless lass than a goat being butched in public.

By the way, I love to see a show where a group of vegans & a group of people who will eat meat are put on a Island (that isn't similar to were they grew up). The entertainment would be to see how soon the Vegans break their strict diet requirements.

Nope. Healthiest people on the planet eat lots of pork and fish.
I suppose that they are at a higher risk for cancer and heart disease simply because their bodies were not engineered to contain the superhuman health they get from all the antibiotics and artificial hormones in their diets.
Nope. Killing animals for food is done quickly and painlessly. However, every time a field is harvested for grain or vegetables, thousands of animals are brutally torn apart.
They'd just get eaten by lizards and amphibians anyway. Anyway, there is a difference between accidentally killing something and raising exclusivelt for the purpose of killing it.
Nope. Food animals are fed on the grain that we cannot eat, which is grown in places where high-quality grain cannot be grown. Without food animals, our available food would be far less. In addition, animals that are allowed to forage on grass are far less ecologically destructive than agriculture.
Food animals are also far less efficient at using land meaning that land that could be otherwise preserved or put to human use has to be squandered growing food that is unfit for human consumption.
Farm animals also produce hazardous (and unpleasant) waste, have caused a great deal of damage in the past through unrestricted foraging of commons areas, and are a breeding ground for diseases.

We love it. In an era of uninspiring advertisements that rarely excite any great reaction, why not try something of this fashion?


In any case, blood's a part of life, get over it.

You mean the thread title 'Sony decapitates goat to promote' was not a big enough warning to you? Did it not.....give you a hint as to what the pic in the link would be?

Bloodied Goat's corpse! Head hanging by a thin sliver of flesh, with crimson blood dripping from it's severed jugular!

No?


I've actually got the magazine they have withrawn with this picture in, unpixellated, because I'm a subscriber, and as it says in the link, the mags had already been sent out before they withdrew them from the shelves.

I'm not against killing animals for survival, but killing animals for corporate exploitation to increase sales of a game is just sick and uneccessary.

If the game is that good, let it be sold on it's merits, not on a stupid stunt like this. C'mon Sony....you are not that desperate for sales.....are you?

*cough*

Yeah, it's the Daily Tale screaming this story, and the animal's corpse may well have been picked up from a butcher and it was not killed for the show, but that's not been made clear, and using an animal's corpse for a party game is something that should be reserved for the Blairs and Bushs and NeoCons of this world.

any chance you might SCAN the pic so we can see it? (unless i missed a link to the unpixellated picture)

im pretty sure the pic and article are spoofs. if anyone had been invited to a party more than a month ago that involved killing a goat and removing its steaming guts, it would have been NEWS a month ago, instead of after the magazine was out.

not that its a fake goat but there is a big difference between getting a dead goat from the butcher and putting it in a cheesy pic and killing a goat for the entertainment of pary goers

Fieldmice, prairie dogs, unlucky birds, frogs, insects of all kinds, etc. Unless you plant meticulously by hand, which is fine for the backyard hobby garden, but not for ConAgra. :p

Not that I entertain vegetarianism to begin with, but it is true that things die when we harvest anything.

Ahh right, forgot about those there for a moment :p

I was thinking, if you were being ecological enough, you might actually help animals. That is, compared to the current state of events.

Everything being relative, of course.

Killing them may be. Raising them for the slaughter is not. They are kept in cramped conditions for their entire lives. They often come down with diseases and are given ridiculous amounts of antibiotic to keep them healthy enough to eat. Conditions for these animals are far more disgusting than they would be if they were free.

On a side note, a more valid reason to not eat meat is the fact that the majority of grain produced in the world goes to feeding livestock, which are then eaten by mostly first world countries. Less livestock in fact results in more grain for the rest of the world.

And you and i both know that it will end up in a surplus grain stockpile in a first world country, not a third world country.

must buy God of War 2

advertising contains dead animal
man in fur
women in transparent top.

Listen, when there's a picture like that you warn people, okay?

Methinks you're being a bit too sensitive. The thread title should've hinted at the content, but for you I'll change the OP :)

Exactly. If they do this to promote a PS2 game, imagine what they'll do for a ps3 game...

Maybe bring about armageddon......then, at the last minute someone will realise why it won't sell any more copies! :p

Clearly the game being promoted is not kid-friendly.

;)

You win LIFE! :cool:

No, but they would exaggerate and throw it out of all context to get "middle England" whinging...I'm suprised they didn't try to work in an 'immigrants' angle...

What...."illegal Greek immigrats BUTCHER nice friendly goat for teh devil organization"?

There are a number of people in the ethics category -

Those with morals that stand by them
Those without morals that claim to have them anyway
Those without morals and proudly advertise it

You are number 3
I'm 1
Let me remind everyone that these "morals" are moral obligations to food animals. I couldn't give a fuck less if animals raised for food are killed for food or are otherwise slaughtered. That was what they are being bred and raised for. I don't see you swearing off breads and corn and cotton because of all the cute little bunnies and mice and such getting sliced up during harvesting.

I don't know how it could be any clearer that this wasn't a case of killing a goat for food, it was a case of shamelessly killing something just to sell a few games.
Based on what? Was that was the PETA memo said? I'm pretty sure you can get a butcher to kill an animal for food however you want it done if you put in the request. I seem to recall the goat being stuff with food.

I suppose that they are at a higher risk for cancer and heart disease simply because their bodies were not engineered to contain the superhuman health they get from all the antibiotics and artificial hormones in their diets.

Nope. They have the highest life expectancy out of every group on the planet, even.

Not that I entertain vegetarianism to begin with, but it is true that things die when we harvest anything.

Actually, it ties in more with the humano-centric opinion of the worth of a creature being tied directly to how closesly related to us it is as well as it's intelligence (ignoring pest or pathogenic organisms then they are not cared about because they can inhibit human activities) which implies how affected it is by pain signals.

But ethical vegetarians are visually ethical. They don't see the cute little bunnies and mice, so they pretend they arn't killed.

They would have run off long before that harvester came.

Anyway, you can be an ethical vegetarian not in relation to how stock animals are treated but by how much extra land is required for feeding people with animals compared to feeding people with plants.

Nope. They have the highest life expectancy out of every group on the planet, even.

That is a bit disingenious. AFAIK it is only the fish which are much healthier due to having parts such a omega 3 oils (though omega 6 is bad I think it is in less fish or in a lesser amount) and the people who have those foods (as a group) are the ones that have more active lifestyles.

I suppose that they are at a higher risk for cancer and heart disease simply because their bodies were not engineered to contain the superhuman health they get from all the antibiotics and artificial hormones in their diets.

Actually, at least in 'western' countries there is very little in the way of hormones used. Antibiotics are typically only used in intensive farming so that limits it down to pig and chicken levels usually. Antibiotics typically do not cause harm to people in small amounts anyway (barring allergic reactions).

Don't forget that fruit produce is typically heavily treated with the ripening hormone Ethene so that they can be stored for longer as unripe food.

Food animals are also far less efficient at using land meaning that land that could be otherwise preserved or put to human use has to be squandered growing food that is unfit for human consumption.

That is my main beef (haha, what a crappy pun) with food production.

Farm animals also produce hazardous (and unpleasant) waste, have caused a great deal of damage in the past through unrestricted foraging of commons areas, and are a breeding ground for diseases.

Which is why they typically force people who own intensive farming areas (as it is from intensive farming, not standard field grazing, excepting for regions that are not used to hooved animals) to run treatment facillities.

1. IT's obviously fake.

2. Who cares? If it's okay to kill animals for food, it's okay to kill them for profit. (Yes, I'm not a believer in animal rights).
Yes, I agree.

Worst marketing idea ever... I think. Maybe there is worse.

Revolution sucks, let's change the name to Wii!

After reading the article, I have a couple questions:

First, it doesn't say how the goat was killed. It is very likely that the goat was killed "humanely" before the event.

Second, was it decapitated before or after it was dead? If after, it's not that bad.

I'm leaning to this being far less extreme than it is made out to be.

Anywho, not my kind of thing, but I bet it's not as terrible as people make it out.

They would have run off long before that harvester came.

Anyway, you can be an ethical vegetarian not in relation to how stock animals are treated but by how much extra land is required for feeding people with animals compared to feeding people with plants.

I don't know if you know this or not but cuddly woodland animals are fucking retarded. Why do you think so many turn up as roadkill?

I don't know if you know this or not but cuddly woodland animals are fucking retarded. Why do you think so many turn up as roadkill?

I admit they have some defence mechanisms that are not so good in modern time but a car travels very fast so they don't haveenough time to break from their 'stay still' to go into the 'flee dangerous thing'. Harvesters go at a slower pace.

I admit they have some defence mechanisms that are not so good in modern time but a car travels very fast so they don't haveenough time to break from their 'stay still' to go into the 'flee dangerous thing'. Harvesters go at a slower pace.

There's still going to be "casualties," given that the harvester is very wide and makes escape difficult for, say, a frog or mouse or young rabbit.

Anyway, that point is academic at best.

In all likelihood, the goat in question wasn't even conscious when the throat was slit. As someone who has actually slaughtered a goat, I can attest to that. If not, it suffered for only a few seconds, at most.

I am waiting to see Anti-Mcdonalds threads now...Because they do the same to cows....Poor cows....Chop chop!!!

OK, everyone's worried about the goat, but I think the bigger issue here is...boobies.

That girl totally has no top on and just has a red stripe painted over her boobies. You can totally see her nipples. Which I think is pretty damn cool.

Won't somebody please think of the boobies?