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I was reading the lyrics to "Bodies" and was just wondering if they were pro-life or just liked creeping people out. Anyone know?

I can't help but be reminded of following art piece.

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/k/kienholz/illegal_operation.jpg

I doubt when they sang the song they could spell pro-life, let alone make a decision to support it in song.

Post the lyrics, please?

That would be a tad ironic if true I think.

Nah, just...
Well actually they were so shit so yeah o course because the proper thing to do would have been to neutralize them.

No. Bodies is taking the piss. Anything that the Pistols wrote that was at all political was more intended to piss people off than make a point. Although some songs include grains of opinion (which is better than having some grains of opium in them) in them, as per "There is no future in England's dreaming", Rotten more or less just wanted to take the piss from everyone.

Although I suppose I could be wrong. His family was Irish, and Ireland still hasn't legalized abortion.

I doubt when they sang the song they could spell pro-life, let alone make a decision to support it in song.

Why not?


Post the lyrics, please?

I'm not sure if it's allowed, it might be considered excessively gruesome.

Why not?

Because that's the act that people have been buying for so long, that the Pistols sold to them. Little do they realize that Rotten, Vicious, and Matlock all had college-level education.



I'm not sure if it's allowed, it might be considered excessively gruesome.

Meh. I'd handle it like this:

Warning, these lyrics are gruesome (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/sex+pistols/bodies_20123556.html)

Post the lyrics, please?

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/sex+pistols/bodies_20123556.html

There you are!

Meh. I'd handle it like this:

Warning, these lyrics are gruesome (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/sex+pistols/bodies_20123556.html)

You beat me to it -_-

Warning, these lyrics are gruesome (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/sex+pistols/bodies_20123556.html)

Yeah, I thought of that. But I was feeling lazy, so...

the story is about a groupie who arrived at a pistols gig with a foetus in a clear handbag to confront the putative father (rumoured to have been Rotton).

She was a case of insanity
Her name was pauline she lived in a tree
She was a no one who killed her baby

the song is more about an up yours to her than any stance on a womans reproductive rights

I was reading the lyrics to "Bodies" and was just wondering if they were pro-life or just liked creeping people out. Anyone know?

No, they're just dumb.

No, they're just dumb.

And how, pray tell, does this insult regard the subject? Members of the Pistols, as I stated before, were more highly educated than yourself, so you have no place to talk.

And how, pray tell, does this insult regard the subject? Members of the Pistols, as I stated before, were more highly educated than yourself, so you have no place to talk.

You can be highly educated and still be a dumbfuck. I point to, for an extreme example, those college professors who rant about how there's no such thing as consent. Or, for another example, Condi Rice is pretty well educated.

You can be highly educated and still be a dumbfuck. I point to, for an extreme example, those college professors who rant about how there's no such thing as consent. Or, for another example, Condi Rice is pretty well educated.

I would hold that while you can be highly educated and wrong or highly educated and corrupt, or highly educated and evil, it is very difficult to be highly educated and stupid. Even the Pretzel-nit is not as dumb as he appears (although, I wouldn't put it past him to cheat his way to the top).

And how, pray tell, does this insult regard the subject? Members of the Pistols, as I stated before, were more highly educated than yourself, so you have no place to talk.

Who knew?

it is very difficult to be highly educated and stupid.

Education primarily provides knowledge, usually in rather restricted fields. It doesn't necessarily make someone a good thinker.

Well, the Doors had a song that was going to be called the Abortion song (now peace frog) that has bloody lyrics to say the least.

You can be highly educated and still be a dumbfuck. I point to, for an extreme example, those college professors who rant about how there's no such thing as consent. Or, for another example, Condi Rice is pretty well educated.

They are not stupid. They may be seen as wrong, but they are not stupid.

I would hold that while you can be highly educated and wrong or highly educated and corrupt, or highly educated and evil, it is very difficult to be highly educated and stupid. Even the Pretzel-nit is not as dumb as he appears (although, I wouldn't put it past him to cheat his way to the top).

Or you can be highly educated but with no common sense

"Pro life" :rolleyes:

Silly term...

Sid was demonstrably in favour of retroactive abortion.

And how, pray tell, does this insult regard the subject? Members of the Pistols, as I stated before, were more highly educated than yourself, so you have no place to talk.They were still a bunch of stupid gits. And reactionary misogynistic assholes. They were a silly little boy band, get over it. God Save the Queen was alright though.

Sid was demonstrably in favour of retroactive abortion.

How demonstrably?

How demonstrably?
:rolleyes: (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091954/)

How demonstrably?Well, he (may have) killed that girl, and then aborted himself with heroin:D

Bollocks are castrated bulls. Babies. Pro-life. I got no sleep. Please, somebody use this for wit.

Well, he (may have) killed that girl, and then aborted himself with heroin:D

Ah, sorry. I'm not really big in knowledge of the Sex Pistols.

Ah, sorry. I'm not really big in knowledge of the Sex Pistols.

Obviously :p

They were still a bunch of stupid gits.

No they wern't.


And reactionary misogynistic assholes.

In what way were they actually misogynistic?


They were a silly little boy band.

If by boy band you mean a revolutionary new band who started a whole new movement, not just musically.

No they wern't.



In what way were they actually misogynistic?



If by boy band you mean a revolutionary new band who started a whole new movement, not just musically.

1) yes they were.
2) 'bodies' for example. a band's social ideas are best expressed in their music.
3) Read up on the history a bit. They were manufactured by McLaren in much the same way that other boy bands are constructed.
Their 'style' was no more then a co-option of some Situationist forms and contemporary British working class youth culture. And the New York Dolls actually predated them as did the Ramones.

1) yes they were.

Why?


2) 'bodies' for example. a band's social ideas are best expressed in their music.

I just see a bunch of nonsense intended to piss people off, nothing inentionally misogynistic


3) Read up on the history a bit. They were manufactured by McLaren in much the same way that other boy bands are constructed.


Source?


Their 'style' was no more then a co-option of some Situationist forms and contemporary British working class youth culture. The New York Dolls actually predated them as did the Ramones.

Just because they are both classed under "punk" doesn't mean they are actually similar. Early American punk and Uk punk music are completely different. Their style was a voice for a generation, as with pretty much every revolutionary band that ever existed. What made them important is that they identified that generations style.

Jesus. They got libraries where you're from? Take out a bleedin' book about them. Or talk to Steve Jones who has admitted that he was basically ripping off Johnny Thunders. I'm not dropping anything controversial here. This is all pretty well known. You seem to be getting your history from the back of a CD sleeve.I just see a bunch of nonsense intended to piss people off, nothing intentionally misogynistic Source?:rolleyes:

I am not denying that this boy band popularized a diluted form of situationist imagery by the way. This I give them full credit for.

Jesus. They got libraries where you're from? Take out a bleedin' book about them. Or talk to Steve Jones who has admitted that he was basically ripping off Johnny Thunders. I'm not dropping anything controversial here.

Yes you are, asserting that an extremely highly critically aclaimed band, regarded by a huge amount of people as "the definitive English punk rock band" and constantly credited with initiating the punk movement as merely a stupid boy band is a contraversial thing to say.

That's what happens when you let promoters write your rock history. Now go take that book out, it'll do you good.

That's what happens when you let promoters write your rock history. Now go take that book out, it'll do you good.

I have never read a promoters version of the history of sex pistols. I'm not denying that by some it can seem as if they were manufatured by the way they were formed. But I have never heard, read, or seen anything to suggest they were a rip off of anyone else. They may have been influenced by other bands (as with all bands), but they certainly didn't rip off the New york dolls, just listening to their music can show you that.

Dude- Steve Jones says that he basically ripped off the Dolls' guitar style. I really don't care. Keep getting your music history from CD sleeves and fucking TV fluff pieces that are not properly researched because the people doing them don't take their subject matter seriously.

If you want to inflate the fucking boy band's musical stature, go right the fuck ahead. I can't force you to look more deeply into the subject. In fact I don't think that you should. If there is one thing that it is ok to be wrong about it is this.

You're 100% right. The pistols made punk. And Rotton is still doing it- on the cutting edge. He never stopped touring- and he never stopped making rock history:rolleyes:

Dude- Steve Jones says that he basically ripped off the Dolls' guitar style. I really don't care. Keep getting your music history from CD sleeves and fucking TV fluff pieces that are not properly researched because the people doing them don't take their subject matter seriously.

If you want to inflate the fucking boy band's musical stature, go right the fuck ahead. I can't force you to look more deeply into the subject. In fact I don't think that you should. If there is one thing that it is ok to be wrong about it is this.

You're 100% right. The pistols made punk. And Rotton is still doing it- on the cutting edge. He never stopped touring- and he never stopped making rock history:rolleyes:

Look, just because today boy band = fail doesn't mean it was back then. The Sex Pistols make good music, and influenced many bands, and just because you don't like them doesn't mean you can alter the history of an entire genre.

Dude- Steve Jones says that he basically ripped off the Dolls' guitar style. I really don't care. Keep getting your music history from CD sleeves and fucking TV fluff pieces that are not properly researched because the people doing them don't take their subject matter seriously.


So anyone who disagrees with you has got his history of cd sleeves and tv fluff pecies? If you want me to take your claims seriously at least provide some sort of source.


You're 100% right. The pistols made punk. And Rotton is still doing it- on the cutting edge. He never stopped touring- and he never stopped making rock history:rolleyes:

I never said that.

Look, just because today boy band = fail doesn't mean it was back then. The Sex Pistols make good music, and influenced many bands, and just because you don't like them doesn't mean you can alter the history of an entire genre.

Agreed, the word "boy band" is such a weasel word used by pretentious fanboys who feel that a band can only form in one way for it's music to be any good.

So anyone who disagrees with you has got his history of cd sleeves and tv fluff pecies? If you want me to take your claims seriously at least provide some sort of source.

How much do you want to bet it's TV fluff pieces?

Dude- Steve Jones says that he basically ripped off the Dolls' guitar style. I really don't care. Keep getting your music history from CD sleeves and fucking TV fluff pieces that are not properly researched because the people doing them don't take their subject matter seriously.

If you want to inflate the fucking boy band's musical stature, go right the fuck ahead. I can't force you to look more deeply into the subject. In fact I don't think that you should. If there is one thing that it is ok to be wrong about it is this.

You're 100% right. The pistols made punk. And Rotton is still doing it- on the cutting edge. He never stopped touring- and he never stopped making rock history:rolleyes:

How about reading a fucking book? Go out and read England's Dreaming by Jon Savage. Savage was a music journalist from the time, so he was not part of the record-label media machine. Moreover, he actually cites his sources. They do not agree with your conclusions. He paints McClaren as a mostly ineffectual loser who would have liked to control the Pistols, but couldn't keep a single one of them under his control.

1) I never said that I didn't like the pistols. Their sound is OK actually. It is just not as original or revolutionary as some would like to think.
2) I say that they were largely a manufactured "Boy Band" within the context of their fashion-smart minder's infusion of situationist elements and the like into the group. They were not the first well-known band to incorporate these elements into their persona either.
3) Steve Jones' admission of his imitation of the Dolls sound can be found in the film: The Filth and the Fury.

The Pistols were far more influential then they were original. But then again I am completely wrong about absolutely everything.

1) I never said that I didn't like the pistols. Their sound is OK actually. It is just not as original or revolutionary as some would like to think.

Find me a vocalist in any way similar to Johnny Rotten. You can't. You clearly demonstrate that you have neither listened to the Dolls nor the Pistols by attempting to connect their sounds.

2) I say that they were largely a manufactured "Boy Band" within the context of their fashion-smart minder's infusion of situationist elements and the like into the group. They were not the first well-known band to incorporate these elements into their persona either.

Once again, unsubstantiated claims. First, I have shown that McClaren's management only truly impacted the two least important members of the Pistols, Jones and Cook. Matlock, Rotten, and Vicious were all maveriks who McClaren couldn't keep control of, because he was a terrible people person. Malcolm McClaren provided a very small set of services to the band. He acted as a manager with labels and tours, and he provided clothing. However, Rotten brought his own fashion in. Neither Cook nor Jones was inclined to wear Sex products, and Matlock didn't like them either. Only Vicious wore Sex products regularly, and Vicious was barely even a member of the band in any substantive way.

Second, I'd like you to show me a set of situationalists in rock'n'roll. Or are you just saying that?

3) Steve Jones' admission of his imitation of the Dolls sound can be found in the film: The Filth and the Fury.

The Filth and the Fury, while it is an interesting movie, deserves as much credibility as The Great Rock'N'Roll Swindle. None of the members of the band is a credible source any more than is McClaren. The best sources were not even discussed in the movie. I suggest reading Rotten by John Lydon for a demonstration of the egomania latent in the psyche of the band members, particularly Rotten. A better source book for information may be England's Dreaming by Jon Savage, which actually provides sourced, researched information, without the bias of the band or McClaren. It acknowledges the impact of the Dolls, but also shows that Jones simply wasn't a skilled enough guitarist to copy anyone when most of the Pistols music was written, and that most of the music wasn't written by Jones anyway. Most of the music was written by either Matlock or Rotten.

The Filth and the Fury, while it is an interesting movie, deserves as much credibility as The Great Rock'N'Roll Swindle. None of the members of the band is a credible source any more than is McClaren. The best sources were not even discussed in the movie. I suggest reading Rotten by John Lydon for a demonstration of the egomania latent in the psyche of the band members, particularly Rotten. A better source book for information may be England's Dreaming by Jon Savage, which actually provides sourced, researched information, without the bias of the band or McClaren. It acknowledges the impact of the Dolls, but also shows that Jones simply wasn't a skilled enough guitarist to copy anyone when most of the Pistols music was written, and that most of the music wasn't written by Jones anyway. Most of the music was written by either Matlock or Rotten.

The Filth and the Fury seems to be more of a piss-take at McLaren than anything else. While it is far more truthful than The Great Rock & Roll Swindle, it's still a bit on the flimsy side of things.

About the best place you can find a thoroughly researched and sourced history of the band is http://www.sex-pistols.net. The site includes interviews from band members as well as the people who were around them and the general scene at the time, along with producers and audio engineers.

That said, I'd post a much larger response to FOE's head-in-ass rantings, but I need sleep, for I have work in the morning.

Who cares? Nothing the Pistols have ever said should be taken seriously.

Who cares? Nothing the Pistols have ever said should be taken seriously.

Same goes for Malcolm McLaren.

Really, you have to be an absolute putz to even think the things he says are half-way true. When you look at it from an objective point a view, nary a damn thing he says is even logical, much less possible.

Bollocks are castrated bulls. Babies. Pro-life. I got no sleep. Please, somebody use this for wit.

I think you are confusing 'bollocks' with something else... 'bullocks' maybe.

I think you are confusing 'bollocks' with something else... 'bullocks' maybe.

"Bollocks" literally means "small balls". In this case, however, "Never Mind The Bollocks" was Steve's usual line about other bands (read: imitators) at the time.

So, it's "Never mind all of the other bullshit bands, here's the real deal", not "Never mind the balls, here's the penis", as it's commonly misinterpreted.