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"A failure in generalship"

Daistallia 2104
27-04-2007, 18:55
I fear this article is probably above the general level of debate here.

But I hope it's mere length and depth finds it excluding what Mad Magazine fondly calls the usual cast of idiots...

Comments?

A failure in generalship
By Lt. Col. Paul Yingling

"You officers amuse yourselves with God knows what buffooneries and never dream in the least of serious service. This is a source of stupidity which would become most dangerous in case of a serious conflict."
- Frederick the Great

For the second time in a generation, the United States faces the prospect of defeat at the hands of an insurgency. In April 1975, the U.S. fled the Republic of Vietnam, abandoning our allies to their fate at the hands of North Vietnamese communists. In 2007, Iraq's grave and deteriorating condition offers diminishing hope for an American victory and portends risk of an even wider and more destructive regional war.

These debacles are not attributable to individual failures, but rather to a crisis in an entire institution: America's general officer corps. America's generals have failed to prepare our armed forces for war and advise civilian authorities on the application of force to achieve the aims of policy. The argument that follows consists of three elements. First, generals have a responsibility to society to provide policymakers with a correct estimate of strategic probabilities. Second, America's generals in Vietnam and Iraq failed to perform this responsibility. Third, remedying the crisis in American generalship requires the intervention of Congress.

The Responsibilities of Generalship

Armies do not fight wars; nations fight wars. War is not a military activity conducted by soldiers, but rather a social activity that involves entire nations. Prussian military theorist Carl von Clausewitz noted that passion, probability and policy each play their role in war. Any understanding of war that ignores one of these elements is fundamentally flawed.

The passion of the people is necessary to endure the sacrifices inherent in war. Regardless of the system of government, the people supply the blood and treasure required to prosecute war. The statesman must stir these passions to a level commensurate with the popular sacrifices required. When the ends of policy are small, the statesman can prosecute a conflict without asking the public for great sacrifice. Global conflicts such as World War II require the full mobilization of entire societies to provide the men and materiel necessary for the successful prosecution of war. The greatest error the statesman can make is to commit his nation to a great conflict without mobilizing popular passions to a level commensurate with the stakes of the conflict.

Popular passions are necessary for the successful prosecution of war, but cannot be sufficient. To prevail, generals must provide policymakers and the public with a correct estimation of strategic probabilities. The general is responsible for estimating the likelihood of success in applying force to achieve the aims of policy. The general describes both the means necessary for the successful prosecution of war and the ways in which the nation will employ those means. If the policymaker desires ends for which the means he provides are insufficient, the general is responsible for advising the statesman of this incongruence. The statesman must then scale back the ends of policy or mobilize popular passions to provide greater means. If the general remains silent while the statesman commits a nation to war with insufficient means, he shares culpability for the results.

However much it is influenced by passion and probability, war is ultimately an instrument of policy and its conduct is the responsibility of policymakers. War is a social activity undertaken on behalf of the nation; Augustine counsels us that the only purpose of war is to achieve a better peace. The choice of making war to achieve a better peace is inherently a value judgment in which the statesman must decide those interests and beliefs worth killing and dying for. The military man is no better qualified than the common citizen to make such judgments. He must therefore confine his input to his area of expertise — the estimation of strategic probabilities.

The correct estimation of strategic possibilities can be further subdivided into the preparation for war and the conduct of war. Preparation for war consists in the raising, arming, equipping and training of forces. The conduct of war consists of both planning for the use of those forces and directing those forces in operations.

To prepare forces for war, the general must visualize the conditions of future combat. To raise military forces properly, the general must visualize the quality and quantity of forces needed in the next war. To arm and equip military forces properly, the general must visualize the materiel requirements of future engagements. To train military forces properly, the general must visualize the human demands on future battlefields, and replicate those conditions in peacetime exercises. Of course, not even the most skilled general can visualize precisely how future wars will be fought. According to British military historian and soldier Sir Michael Howard, "In structuring and preparing an army for war, you can be clear that you will not get it precisely right, but the important thing is not to be too far wrong, so that you can put it right quickly."

The most tragic error a general can make is to assume without much reflection that wars of the future will look much like wars of the past. Following World War I, French generals committed this error, assuming that the next war would involve static battles dominated by firepower and fixed fortifications. Throughout the interwar years, French generals raised, equipped, armed and trained the French military to fight the last war. In stark contrast, German generals spent the interwar years attempting to break the stalemate created by firepower and fortifications. They developed a new form of war — the blitzkrieg — that integrated mobility, firepower and decentralized tactics. The German Army did not get this new form of warfare precisely right. After the 1939 conquest of Poland, the German Army undertook a critical self-examination of its operations. However, German generals did not get it too far wrong either, and in less than a year had adapted their tactics for the invasion of France.

After visualizing the conditions of future combat, the general is responsible for explaining to civilian policymakers the demands of future combat and the risks entailed in failing to meet those demands. Civilian policymakers have neither the expertise nor the inclination to think deeply about strategic probabilities in the distant future. Policymakers, especially elected representatives, face powerful incentives to focus on near-term challenges that are of immediate concern to the public. Generating military capability is the labor of decades. If the general waits until the public and its elected representatives are immediately concerned with national security threats before finding his voice, he has waited too long. The general who speaks too loudly of preparing for war while the nation is at peace places at risk his position and status. However, the general who speaks too softly places at risk the security of his country.

Failing to visualize future battlefields represents a lapse in professional competence, but seeing those fields clearly and saying nothing is an even more serious lapse in professional character. Moral courage is often inversely proportional to popularity and this observation in nowhere more true than in the profession of arms. The history of military innovation is littered with the truncated careers of reformers who saw gathering threats clearly and advocated change boldly. A military professional must possess both the physical courage to face the hazards of battle and the moral courage to withstand the barbs of public scorn. On and off the battlefield, courage is the first characteristic of generalship.

Failures of Generalship in Vietnam

America's defeat in Vietnam is the most egregious failure in the history of American arms. America's general officer corps refused to prepare the Army to fight unconventional wars, despite ample indications that such preparations were in order. Having failed to prepare for such wars, America's generals sent our forces into battle without a coherent plan for victory. Unprepared for war and lacking a coherent strategy, America lost the war and the lives of more than 58,000 service members.

Following World War II, there were ample indicators that America's enemies would turn to insurgency to negate our advantages in firepower and mobility. The French experiences in Indochina and Algeria offered object lessons to Western armies facing unconventional foes. These lessons were not lost on the more astute members of America's political class. In 1961, President Kennedy warned of "another type of war, new in its intensity, ancient in its origin — war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins, war by ambush instead of by combat, by infiltration instead of aggression, seeking victory by evading and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him." In response to these threats, Kennedy undertook a comprehensive program to prepare America's armed forces for counterinsurgency.

Despite the experience of their allies and the urging of their president, America's generals failed to prepare their forces for counterinsurgency. Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Decker assured his young president, "Any good soldier can handle guerrillas." Despite Kennedy's guidance to the contrary, the Army viewed the conflict in Vietnam in conventional terms. As late as 1964, Gen. Earle Wheeler, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated flatly that "the essence of the problem in Vietnam is military." While the Army made minor organizational adjustments at the urging of the president, the generals clung to what Andrew Krepinevich has called "the Army concept," a vision of warfare focused on the destruction of the enemy's forces.

Having failed to visualize accurately the conditions of combat in Vietnam, America's generals prosecuted the war in conventional terms. The U.S. military embarked on a graduated attrition strategy intended to compel North Vietnam to accept a negotiated peace. The U.S. undertook modest efforts at innovation in Vietnam. Civil Operations and Revolutionary Development Support (CORDS), spearheaded by the State Department's "Blowtorch" Bob Kromer, was a serious effort to address the political and economic causes of the insurgency. The Marine Corps' Combined Action Program (CAP) was an innovative approach to population security. However, these efforts are best described as too little, too late. Innovations such as CORDS and CAP never received the resources necessary to make a large-scale difference. The U.S. military grudgingly accepted these innovations late in the war, after the American public's commitment to the conflict began to wane.

America's generals not only failed to develop a strategy for victory in Vietnam, but also remained largely silent while the strategy developed by civilian politicians led to defeat. As H.R. McMaster noted in "Dereliction of Duty," the Joint Chiefs of Staff were divided by service parochialism and failed to develop a unified and coherent recommendation to the president for prosecuting the war to a successful conclusion. Army Chief of Staff Harold K. Johnson estimated in 1965 that victory would require as many as 700,000 troops for up to five years. Commandant of the Marine Corps Wallace Greene made a similar estimate on troop levels. As President Johnson incrementally escalated the war, neither man made his views known to the president or Congress. President Johnson made a concerted effort to conceal the costs and consequences of Vietnam from the public, but such duplicity required the passive consent of America's generals.

Having participated in the deception of the American people during the war, the Army chose after the war to deceive itself. In "Learning to Eat Soup With a Knife," John Nagl argued that instead of learning from defeat, the Army after Vietnam focused its energies on the kind of wars it knew how to win — high-technology conventional wars. An essential contribution to this strategy of denial was the publication of "On Strategy: A Critical Analysis of the Vietnam War," by Col. Harry Summers. Summers, a faculty member of the U.S. Army War College, argued that the Army had erred by not focusing enough on conventional warfare in Vietnam, a lesson the Army was happy to hear. Despite having been recently defeated by an insurgency, the Army slashed training and resources devoted to counterinsurgency.

By the early 1990s, the Army's focus on conventional war-fighting appeared to have been vindicated. During the 1980s, the U.S. military benefited from the largest peacetime military buildup in the nation's history. High-technology equipment dramatically increased the mobility and lethality of our ground forces. The Army's National Training Center honed the Army's conventional war-fighting skills to a razor's edge. The fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 signaled the demise of the Soviet Union and the futility of direct confrontation with the U.S. Despite the fact the U.S. supported insurgencies in Afghanistan, Nicaragua and Angola to hasten the Soviet Union's demise, the U.S. military gave little thought to counterinsurgency throughout the 1990s. America's generals assumed without much reflection that the wars of the future would look much like the wars of the past — state-on-state conflicts against conventional forces. America's swift defeat of the Iraqi Army, the world's fourth-largest, in 1991 seemed to confirm the wisdom of the U.S. military's post-Vietnam reforms. But the military learned the wrong lessons from Operation Desert Storm. It continued to prepare for the last war, while its future enemies prepared for a new kind of war.

Failures of Generalship in Iraq

America's generals have repeated the mistakes of Vietnam in Iraq. First, throughout the 1990s our generals failed to envision the conditions of future combat and prepare their forces accordingly. Second, America's generals failed to estimate correctly both the means and the ways necessary to achieve the aims of policy prior to beginning the war in Iraq. Finally, America's generals did not provide Congress and the public with an accurate assessment of the conflict in Iraq.

Despite paying lip service to "transformation" throughout the 1990s, America's armed forces failed to change in significant ways after the end of the 1991 Persian Gulf War. In "The Sling and the Stone," T.X. Hammes argues that the Defense Department's transformation strategy focuses almost exclusively on high-technology conventional wars. The doctrine, organizations, equipment and training of the U.S. military confirm this observation. The armed forces fought the global war on terrorism for the first five years with a counterinsurgency doctrine last revised in the Reagan administration. Despite engaging in numerous stability operations throughout the 1990s, the armed forces did little to bolster their capabilities for civic reconstruction and security force development. Procurement priorities during the 1990s followed the Cold War model, with significant funding devoted to new fighter aircraft and artillery systems. The most commonly used tactical scenarios in both schools and training centers replicated high-intensity interstate conflict. At the dawn of the 21st century, the U.S. is fighting brutal, adaptive insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq, while our armed forces have spent the preceding decade having done little to prepare for such conflicts.

Having spent a decade preparing to fight the wrong war, America's generals then miscalculated both the means and ways necessary to succeed in Iraq. The most fundamental military miscalculation in Iraq has been the failure to commit sufficient forces to provide security to Iraq's population. U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) estimated in its 1998 war plan that 380,000 troops would be necessary for an invasion of Iraq. Using operations in Bosnia and Kosovo as a model for predicting troop requirements, one Army study estimated a need for 470,000 troops. Alone among America's generals, Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki publicly stated that "several hundred thousand soldiers" would be necessary to stabilize post-Saddam Iraq. Prior to the war, President Bush promised to give field commanders everything necessary for victory. Privately, many senior general officers both active and retired expressed serious misgivings about the insufficiency of forces for Iraq. These leaders would later express their concerns in tell-all books such as "Fiasco" and "Cobra II." However, when the U.S. went to war in Iraq with less than half the strength required to win, these leaders did not make their objections public.

Given the lack of troop strength, not even the most brilliant general could have devised the ways necessary to stabilize post-Saddam Iraq. However, inept planning for postwar Iraq took the crisis caused by a lack of troops and quickly transformed it into a debacle. In 1997, the U.S. Central Command exercise "Desert Crossing" demonstrated that many postwar stabilization tasks would fall to the military. The other branches of the U.S. government lacked sufficient capability to do such work on the scale required in Iraq. Despite these results, CENTCOM accepted the assumption that the State Department would administer postwar Iraq. The military never explained to the president the magnitude of the challenges inherent in stabilizing postwar Iraq.

After failing to visualize the conditions of combat in Iraq, America's generals failed to adapt to the demands of counterinsurgency. Counterinsurgency theory prescribes providing continuous security to the population. However, for most of the war American forces in Iraq have been concentrated on large forward-operating bases, isolated from the Iraqi people and focused on capturing or killing insurgents. Counterinsurgency theory requires strengthening the capability of host-nation institutions to provide security and other essential services to the population. America's generals treated efforts to create transition teams to develop local security forces and provincial reconstruction teams to improve essential services as afterthoughts, never providing the quantity or quality of personnel necessary for success.

After going into Iraq with too few troops and no coherent plan for postwar stabilization, America's general officer corps did not accurately portray the intensity of the insurgency to the American public. The Iraq Study Group concluded that "there is significant underreporting of the violence in Iraq." The ISG noted that "on one day in July 2006 there were 93 attacks or significant acts of violence reported. Yet a careful review of the reports for that single day brought to light 1,100 acts of violence. Good policy is difficult to make when information is systematically collected in a way that minimizes its discrepancy with policy goals." Population security is the most important measure of effectiveness in counterinsurgency. For more than three years, America's generals continued to insist that the U.S. was making progress in Iraq. However, for Iraqi civilians, each year from 2003 onward was more deadly than the one preceding it. For reasons that are not yet clear, America's general officer corps underestimated the strength of the enemy, overestimated the capabilities of Iraq's government and security forces and failed to provide Congress with an accurate assessment of security conditions in Iraq. Moreover, America's generals have not explained clearly the larger strategic risks of committing so large a portion of the nation's deployable land power to a single theater of operations.

The intellectual and moral failures common to America's general officer corps in Vietnam and Iraq constitute a crisis in American generalship. Any explanation that fixes culpability on individuals is insufficient. No one leader, civilian or military, caused failure in Vietnam or Iraq. Different military and civilian leaders in the two conflicts produced similar results. In both conflicts, the general officer corps designed to advise policymakers, prepare forces and conduct operations failed to perform its intended functions. To understand how the U.S. could face defeat at the hands of a weaker insurgent enemy for the second time in a generation, we must look at the structural influences that produce our general officer corps.

The Generals We Need

The most insightful examination of failed generalship comes from J.F.C. Fuller's "Generalship: Its Diseases and Their Cure." Fuller was a British major general who saw action in the first attempts at armored warfare in World War I. He found three common characteristics in great generals — courage, creative intelligence and physical fitness.

The need for intelligent, creative and courageous general officers is self-evident. An understanding of the larger aspects of war is essential to great generalship. However, a survey of Army three- and four-star generals shows that only 25 percent hold advanced degrees from civilian institutions in the social sciences or humanities. Counterinsurgency theory holds that proficiency in foreign languages is essential to success, yet only one in four of the Army's senior generals speaks another language. While the physical courage of America's generals is not in doubt, there is less certainty regarding their moral courage. In almost surreal language, professional military men blame their recent lack of candor on the intimidating management style of their civilian masters. Now that the public is immediately concerned with the crisis in Iraq, some of our generals are finding their voices. They may have waited too long.

Neither the executive branch nor the services themselves are likely to remedy the shortcomings in America's general officer corps. Indeed, the tendency of the executive branch to seek out mild-mannered team players to serve as senior generals is part of the problem. The services themselves are equally to blame. The system that produces our generals does little to reward creativity and moral courage. Officers rise to flag rank by following remarkably similar career patterns. Senior generals, both active and retired, are the most important figures in determining an officer's potential for flag rank. The views of subordinates and peers play no role in an officer's advancement; to move up he must only please his superiors. In a system in which senior officers select for promotion those like themselves, there are powerful incentives for conformity. It is unreasonable to expect that an officer who spends 25 years conforming to institutional expectations will emerge as an innovator in his late forties.

If America desires creative intelligence and moral courage in its general officer corps, it must create a system that rewards these qualities. Congress can create such incentives by exercising its proper oversight function in three areas. First, Congress must change the system for selecting general officers. Second, oversight committees must apply increased scrutiny over generating the necessary means and pursuing appropriate ways for applying America's military power. Third, the Senate must hold accountable through its confirmation powers those officers who fail to achieve the aims of policy at an acceptable cost in blood and treasure.

To improve the creative intelligence of our generals, Congress must change the officer promotion system in ways that reward adaptation and intellectual achievement. Congress should require the armed services to implement 360-degree evaluations for field-grade and flag officers. Junior officers and noncommissioned officers are often the first to adapt because they bear the brunt of failed tactics most directly. They are also less wed to organizational norms and less influenced by organizational taboos. Junior leaders have valuable insights regarding the effectiveness of their leaders, but the current promotion system excludes these judgments. Incorporating subordinate and peer reviews into promotion decisions for senior leaders would produce officers more willing to adapt to changing circumstances, and less likely to conform to outmoded practices.

Congress should also modify the officer promotion system in ways that reward intellectual achievement. The Senate should examine the education and professional writing of nominees for three- and four-star billets as part of the confirmation process. The Senate would never confirm to the Supreme Court a nominee who had neither been to law school nor written legal opinions. However, it routinely confirms four-star generals who possess neither graduate education in the social sciences or humanities nor the capability to speak a foreign language. Senior general officers must have a vision of what future conflicts will look like and what capabilities the U.S. requires to prevail in those conflicts. They must possess the capability to understand and interact with foreign cultures. A solid record of intellectual achievement and fluency in foreign languages are effective indicators of an officer's potential for senior leadership.

To reward moral courage in our general officers, Congress must ask hard questions about the means and ways for war as part of its oversight responsibility. Some of the answers will be shocking, which is perhaps why Congress has not asked and the generals have not told. Congress must ask for a candid assessment of the money and manpower required over the next generation to prevail in the Long War. The money required to prevail may place fiscal constraints on popular domestic priorities. The quantity and quality of manpower required may call into question the viability of the all-volunteer military. Congress must re-examine the allocation of existing resources, and demand that procurement priorities reflect the most likely threats we will face. Congress must be equally rigorous in ensuring that the ways of war contribute to conflict termination consistent with the aims of national policy. If our operations produce more enemies than they defeat, no amount of force is sufficient to prevail. Current oversight efforts have proved inadequate, allowing the executive branch, the services and lobbyists to present information that is sometimes incomplete, inaccurate or self-serving. Exercising adequate oversight will require members of Congress to develop the expertise necessary to ask the right questions and display the courage to follow the truth wherever it leads them.

Finally, Congress must enhance accountability by exercising its little-used authority to confirm the retired rank of general officers. By law, Congress must confirm an officer who retires at three- or four-star rank. In the past this requirement has been pro forma in all but a few cases. A general who presides over a massive human rights scandal or a substantial deterioration in security ought to be retired at a lower rank than one who serves with distinction. A general who fails to provide Congress with an accurate and candid assessment of strategic probabilities ought to suffer the same penalty. As matters stand now, a private who loses a rifle suffers far greater consequences than a general who loses a war. By exercising its powers to confirm the retired ranks of general officers, Congress can restore accountability among senior military leaders.

Mortal Danger

This article began with Frederick the Great's admonition to his officers to focus their energies on the larger aspects of war. The Prussian monarch's innovations had made his army the terror of Europe, but he knew that his adversaries were learning and adapting. Frederick feared that his generals would master his system of war without thinking deeply about the ever-changing nature of war, and in doing so would place Prussia's security at risk. These fears would prove prophetic. At the Battle of Valmy in 1792, Frederick's successors were checked by France's ragtag citizen army. In the fourteen years that followed, Prussia's generals assumed without much reflection that the wars of the future would look much like those of the past. In 1806, the Prussian Army marched lockstep into defeat and disaster at the hands of Napoleon at Jena. Frederick's prophecy had come to pass; Prussia became a French vassal.

Iraq is America's Valmy. America's generals have been checked by a form of war that they did not prepare for and do not understand. They spent the years following the 1991 Gulf War mastering a system of war without thinking deeply about the ever changing nature of war. They marched into Iraq having assumed without much reflection that the wars of the future would look much like the wars of the past. Those few who saw clearly our vulnerability to insurgent tactics said and did little to prepare for these dangers. As at Valmy, this one debacle, however humiliating, will not in itself signal national disaster. The hour is late, but not too late to prepare for the challenges of the Long War. We still have time to select as our generals those who possess the intelligence to visualize future conflicts and the moral courage to advise civilian policymakers on the preparations needed for our security. The power and the responsibility to identify such generals lie with the U.S. Congress. If Congress does not act, our Jena awaits us.

ARMY LT. COL. PAUL YINGLING is deputy commander, 3rd Armored Calvary Regiment. He has served two tours in Iraq, another in Bosnia and a fourth in Operation Desert Storm. He holds a master's degree in political science from the University of Chicago. The views expressed here are the author's and do not necessarily reflect those of the Army or the Defense Department.
Remote Observer
27-04-2007, 19:00
Old news to me. I read this before he put it out in public.
The Whitemane Gryphons
27-04-2007, 19:01
And I thought this was going to be about NS Generalship.
Daistallia 2104
27-04-2007, 19:04
Old news to me. I read this before he put it out in public.

Comment?
Remote Observer
27-04-2007, 19:27
It's been long known that the military for some reason concentrated on something called AirLand Battle - the massive strategy of using America's forces in concert against a theoretical Soviet invasion.

It governed far more than just the generals. It governed the purchase of specific equipment, the negotiation of specific base sites overseas, and the actual deployment of certain forces to certain locations, even when the USSR was dissolved and the Warsaw Pact no longer posed a military threat.

The Vietnam War was perceived by both bureaucrats at the Pentagon and generals in the military as an aberration.

Even Congressmen and Senators liked the concept of preparing for AirLand Battle, because it meant more pork for their districts. Since the Vietnam War, production of military hardware of all types has been distributed across most US states, instead of being concentrated in a few areas of the country.

Making those M-1 tanks, Stealth bombers, etc., is not the province of a single factory - all of those parts are made everywhere else.

So it goes far, far beyond the generals.

I would also submit that in the area of military strategy over a long term, no President in modern times (save for Eisenhower) had any particular talent in this area. I specifically discount any President since Eisenhower because they were NEVER general officers who actually planned and executed strategic military operations.

Of course, once you've spent decades honing your military to fight AirLand Battle, it gets really good at it - and not very good at anything else.

As an example, the Air Force in Vietnam was focused on training for nuclear operations above all else - every fighter pilot sent by the Air Force had to qualify in dropping nuclear ordnance - even though their mission in Vietnam had nothing to do with nukes.

So they sucked in Vietnam.

Our love of AirLand was exacerbated by our victory in the 1991 Gulf War, where it was put to practice, and you'll notice it was extremely overwhelming.

I think that Powell knew its limitations, and thus talked the elder Bush out of staying any longer.

We ignored the Somalia incident, and I believe a lot of people (bureaucrats, Presidents, and military alike) thought it was a one-off accident.

Invading Iraq again seemed to work even better the second time around - and this time, no one was brave enough to step up and say we wouldn't be able to pacify the area after a successful invasion REGARDLESS of how many troops we sent.

In short, yes our military isn't geared for that sort of thing. But it's not only the generals. Civilians run our military. You know - the Pentagon. And the Pentagon takes its orders from the President, as well as the Armed Services committees in the House and Senate.

No one seems to have had the vision to make the changes necessary.

No bill, no weapons program, no policy statement in the past 20 years indicates to me that anyone at all had any inkling that AirLand Battle would be unsuitable for fighting the wars of today (or tomorrow).

Remember that it takes time to reequip and retrain troops - it would take 5 to 10 years to modify our armed forces suitably.

I've only seen papers at the Army War College from newly minted colonels that seem to have identified this as a problem over the past 10 years.

As far as I'm concerned, the jackasses we've had for President (and I include all of them since the Vietnam War) and the Senators and Congressmen we've had who run the defense budget, and the bureaucrats who run the Defense Department are just as much to blame for this as any general today.
SaintB
27-04-2007, 19:32
Ok so.. intelligent comments/argument is invited no?

About the government's responsibility to inform the populace of the threat and its actual might. How is a government supposed to do this when its own media constantly underplays everything they say. The average American takes what celebreties say as gospel, and what those who know what they are talking about to be rubbish
People would much rather listen to someone they saw in a good movie than to an expert who has spent years researching and studying the situations. Its part of the infinate cycle of human stupidity.

I agree with the majority of that article and hope that some day that man makes the rank of General, he at least is willing to be flexible and think about things before acting. We in the United States do have very good counter-insergency soldiers such as Delta Force, and some of the best insergents in the world in our special forces such as the Green Beret and SEALS, but we in no way have enough soldiers trained to fight insergency/counter-insergency style warfare on a large scale.
It is time when we trained all soldiers in insergency and counter-insergency as well as in standard procedure. It would not require a major overhaul in the training system either; the ground work is already there. American soldiers in the US Army especially are trained to fight in 8 man fire teams, each fire team contains 4 (2 saergents of various levels and 2 corporals) men who are capable of taking command in an emergency, they are trained in basic hit and tactics run tactics, and how to 'sweep and clean' an area to insure that it is clear of enemies.
All that is really necesary would be to impliment a program that trains soldiers in the counter-insergency tactics of policeing populations (something the majority of armed forces are terrible at) and in basic security training beyond 360 degree security and sweep and clear. Not even the MP forces from the Air Force (very very good police officers) have the rquired skills for such an operation.
Gauthier
27-04-2007, 20:14
[Pre-emptive Bushevism]Paul Yingling is a fucking traitor to the country who needs to be put on trial and executed!!! How dare he aid and comfort the islamofacists by saying that the American Military makes mistakes over and over!! Change? WE MUST STAY THE COURSE!! ALL HAIL BUSH!![/Pre-emptive Bushevism]
CanuckHeaven
27-04-2007, 20:26
[Pre-emptive Bushevism]WE MUST STAY THE COURSE!! [/Pre-emptive Bushevism]
Sexual or Inter? :p
Remote Observer
27-04-2007, 21:18
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Dododecapod
28-04-2007, 04:19
I truly pity the next country we invade, whether for ighteous or ignobel reasons. We're going to go in, smash their infrastructure to flinders, kill or imprison their leadership...and leave. Have a nice anarchy, guys...
Daistallia 2104
28-04-2007, 16:41
It's been long known that the military for some reason concentrated on something called AirLand Battle - the massive strategy of using America's forces in concert against a theoretical Soviet invasion.

It governed far more than just the generals. It governed the purchase of specific equipment, the negotiation of specific base sites overseas, and the actual deployment of certain forces to certain locations, even when the USSR was dissolved and the Warsaw Pact no longer posed a military threat.

The Vietnam War was perceived by both bureaucrats at the Pentagon and generals in the military as an aberration.

Even Congressmen and Senators liked the concept of preparing for AirLand Battle, because it meant more pork for their districts. Since the Vietnam War, production of military hardware of all types has been distributed across most US states, instead of being concentrated in a few areas of the country.

Making those M-1 tanks, Stealth bombers, etc., is not the province of a single factory - all of those parts are made everywhere else.

So it goes far, far beyond the generals.

I would also submit that in the area of military strategy over a long term, no President in modern times (save for Eisenhower) had any particular talent in this area. I specifically discount any President since Eisenhower because they were NEVER general officers who actually planned and executed strategic military operations.

Of course, once you've spent decades honing your military to fight AirLand Battle, it gets really good at it - and not very good at anything else.

As an example, the Air Force in Vietnam was focused on training for nuclear operations above all else - every fighter pilot sent by the Air Force had to qualify in dropping nuclear ordnance - even though their mission in Vietnam had nothing to do with nukes.

So they sucked in Vietnam.

Our love of AirLand was exacerbated by our victory in the 1991 Gulf War, where it was put to practice, and you'll notice it was extremely overwhelming.

I think that Powell knew its limitations, and thus talked the elder Bush out of staying any longer.

We ignored the Somalia incident, and I believe a lot of people (bureaucrats, Presidents, and military alike) thought it was a one-off accident.

Invading Iraq again seemed to work even better the second time around - and this time, no one was brave enough to step up and say we wouldn't be able to pacify the area after a successful invasion REGARDLESS of how many troops we sent.

In short, yes our military isn't geared for that sort of thing. But it's not only the generals. Civilians run our military. You know - the Pentagon. And the Pentagon takes its orders from the President, as well as the Armed Services committees in the House and Senate.

No one seems to have had the vision to make the changes necessary.

No bill, no weapons program, no policy statement in the past 20 years indicates to me that anyone at all had any inkling that AirLand Battle would be unsuitable for fighting the wars of today (or tomorrow).

Remember that it takes time to reequip and retrain troops - it would take 5 to 10 years to modify our armed forces suitably.

I've only seen papers at the Army War College from newly minted colonels that seem to have identified this as a problem over the past 10 years.

As far as I'm concerned, the jackasses we've had for President (and I include all of them since the Vietnam War) and the Senators and Congressmen we've had who run the defense budget, and the bureaucrats who run the Defense Department are just as much to blame for this as any general today.

It's good to see we have good grounds to agree on here. BTW, as a long time observer of military affairs, I'm well aware of the situation. This article wasn't a "Wow! Look at this!" so much as it was an opprotunity to bring up a topic that tends to get lost in the noise, especially here.
Dksustan
28-04-2007, 17:11
"In April 1975, the U.S. fled the Republic of Vietnam, abandoning our allies to their fate at the hands of North Vietnamese communists"

Oh our poor, colonial, vastly unpopular allies... =(
The_pantless_hero
28-04-2007, 17:20
It's two problems, the brass is only one part of it.

1) The top brass are as much political positions as anything else and they have to play the game to get where they want.

2) The politicians don't give a fuck. Especially this administration. When people stop towing the line or hint as much, they are replaced with people that will.
Dododecapod
28-04-2007, 17:49
"In April 1975, the U.S. fled the Republic of Vietnam, abandoning our allies to their fate at the hands of North Vietnamese communists"

Oh our poor, colonial, vastly unpopular allies... =(

In 1975, we left a country and government too incompetent to survive to it's deserved fate.

The only tragedy about it was that we didn't make the same decision ten years earlier.
Piresa
28-04-2007, 18:15
This sounds a lot like the golden parachute problem that exists in the corporate world.
Piresa
28-04-2007, 18:27
And I thought this was going to be about NS Generalship.

This place does feel like a battleground at times :p
Muravyets
28-04-2007, 20:09
Some Russian, I want to say Tolstoy but I'm not sure, said:

"An army will have reached its greatest level of sophistication when the enlisted man knows enough to shoot his officers and go home."

In today's world, it is not enough to slap a bunch of stars on your lapel and use other people's children as cheap, expendable shooting range targets while you try to figure out if some poltical asshat's theoretical notion of war can be made to work. Today's soldiers are not naive or desperate enough to put up with that and keep silent about it, and the populace is not so bamboozled by propaganda as to sign up to replace those who are coming home in bags or wheelchairs.

The modern general must be at least as good at his job as the best of the ancient generals were, but the current crop of US commanders (in and out of uniform) are as incompetent by today's standards as the commanders of WWI were by that war's standards.
Muravyets
28-04-2007, 20:35
A few specific comments:

from the article:
If the policymaker desires ends for which the means he provides are insufficient, the general is responsible for advising the statesman of this incongruence. The statesman must then scale back the ends of policy or mobilize popular passions to provide greater means. If the general remains silent while the statesman commits a nation to war with insufficient means, he shares culpability for the results.

from the article:
Alone among America's generals, Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki publicly stated that "several hundred thousand soldiers" would be necessary to stabilize post-Saddam Iraq. Prior to the war, President Bush promised to give field commanders everything necessary for victory. Privately, many senior general officers both active and retired expressed serious misgivings about the insufficiency of forces for Iraq. These leaders would later express their concerns in tell-all books such as "Fiasco" and "Cobra II." However, when the U.S. went to war in Iraq with less than half the strength required to win, these leaders did not make their objections public.
In the current war, Bush made unrealistic demands of the armed forces and unrealistic promises of results to the American people. When the lone dissenter, General Shinseki, went public, he was removed from his position. The message was clear: "Agree with us or we will destroy your career." Every general after that kept his mouth shut in public. What choice did they have?

Where must the loyalties of US generals really lie? With the president, or with the nation? Seeing this administration hell-bent on driving the country into a never-ending, unplanned war without proper preparation of any kind, how could the generals have prevented this disaster short of wholesale insubordination by refusing to carry out the presidents' orders? And what would the result of that have been, I wonder?

from the article:
A military professional must possess both the physical courage to face the hazards of battle and the moral courage to withstand the barbs of public scorn. On and off the battlefield, courage is the first characteristic of generalship.
But should this include running the risk of court martial? Personally, I say yes, but that is a very harsh demand to make on someone else. On the other hand, I have hard time not blaming these generals for not taking that risk.

from the article:
Despite paying lip service to "transformation" throughout the 1990s, America's armed forces failed to change in significant ways after the end of the 1991 Persian Gulf War. In "The Sling and the Stone," T.X. Hammes argues that the Defense Department's transformation strategy focuses almost exclusively on high-technology conventional wars
Yes, and why was this? Let's ask Halliburton, GE, Westinghouse, Raytheon and other such corporate military contractors, as well as their lackey-politicians.

Lt. Col. Yingling explains perfectly the failings of US generals, but those failings must also be seen in the context of the deliberate and corrupt choices made by the civilian leadership, which have not only exploited but actively encouraged those failings for many years.
Remote Observer
29-04-2007, 01:47
This sounds a lot like the golden parachute problem that exists in the corporate world.

It's the short term lack of vision problem that you find in the corporate world. Same problem here.

That, and bureaucrats, Presidents, and Congressmen/Senators are all for programs that build pork.
Daistallia 2104
29-04-2007, 04:34
It's the short term lack of vision problem that you find in the corporate world. Same problem here.

That, and bureaucrats, Presidents, and Congressmen/Senators are all for programs that build pork.

Not to mention the false perception of a more peaceful world with the end of the Cold War.
Remote Observer
29-04-2007, 21:17
Not to mention the false perception of a more peaceful world with the end of the Cold War.

That too.

Two problems we have with making the kind of military that would fight any insurgency:

1. Our society does not produce people who make good soldiers of the type we would need - not in volume. Many people say, "Oh, just make more Special Forces troops..." Well, anyone who has any experience with French Foreign Legion, Special Forces, SEALs, etc., knows that the failure rate at these schools are very, very high - and you can't just magically turn anyone into a hard, capable, well-trained soldier of this type with just any starting material. Our Western society is soft - and lowering the standards of training and selection in these fields is NOT an option, unless you want a lot of body bags and a lot of failure.

Just judging from the people who post here, and the young people I've met who come from urban areas, I can tell you that almost none of them have even half of what it takes from a mental perseverence perspective to make it through training - let alone conduct combat operations on foot deep in hostile territory for an indefinite period of time. One poster recently remarked that the idea that someone could enjoy combat as a job was "deeply disturbing". Tell you what - insurgents don't have any problem with that. If I put someone through training who finds the job "deeply disturbing", they're going to wind up dead if I send them into combat. Combat between men on foot is a kill or be killed situation, which is not only foreign, but anathema to most Westerners. Trying to apply "police" mentality to such situations is doomed to failure, and failure means your own personal death.

2. While some weapon systems such as Predator, or the smart munitions, or advanced body armor are quite useful, they aren't nearly as good at generating the required political "pork" as the M-1 tank or the Stealth Bomber. The old B-52 is just perfect for loitering around with a cargo of nearly a hundred GPS bombs to support ground ops, but it isn't as sexy and expensive (read as "bringing money home to my constituents") as the Stealth bomber. And things like body armor and even the smart bombs are nowhere near as expensive as other weapon systems.

3. Generals only prepare for what the civilian leadership at the Pentagon tells them. No President since Kennedy has encouraged any emphasis on counterinsurgency warfare. No Congressman or Senator has ever championed it as a must pass item. During every administration since Vietnam, Presidents have de-emphasized Special Forces (Carter nearly eliminated them), and have no true idea on how to utilize them (Somalia is a good example of that ignorance). While the generals certainly share some of the blame, I, for one, believe that military strategy and strategic thinking are not something that civilians should be involved in. It was stated as a joke in a movie, but it is turning out to be quite true that civilians have neither the training, the experience, or the mentality necessary to conduct strategic military thought. And involving generals in politics (which is what civilian control of the military involves through the Pentagon) makes them useless in helping conduct such planning.
Ashmoria
29-04-2007, 22:29
"For the second time in a generation, the United States faces the prospect of defeat at the hands of an insurgency."

vietnam and iraq2 are not in the same generation. 32 years is longer than a generation. they are in the same lifetime, perhaps.

no i didnt read any farther. too long.
Coltstania
29-04-2007, 23:17
Three problems we have with making the kind of military that would fight any insurgency:

1. Our society does not produce people who make good soldiers of the type we would need - not in volume. Many people say, "Oh, just make more Special Forces troops..." Well, anyone who has any experience with French Foreign Legion, Special Forces, SEALs, etc., knows that the failure rate at these schools are very, very high - and you can't just magically turn anyone into a hard, capable, well-trained soldier of this type with just any starting material. Our Western society is soft - and lowering the standards of training and selection in these fields is NOT an option, unless you want a lot of body bags and a lot of failure.

Just judging from the people who post here, and the young people I've met who come from urban areas, I can tell you that almost none of them have even half of what it takes from a mental perseverence perspective to make it through training - let alone conduct combat operations on foot deep in hostile territory for an indefinite period of time. One poster recently remarked that the idea that someone could enjoy combat as a job was "deeply disturbing". Tell you what - insurgents don't have any problem with that. If I put someone through training who finds the job "deeply disturbing", they're going to wind up dead if I send them into combat. Combat between men on foot is a kill or be killed situation, which is not only foreign, but anathema to most Westerners. Trying to apply "police" mentality to such situations is doomed to failure, and failure means your own personal death.
I agree with you completely here.

2. While some weapon systems such as Predator, or the smart munitions, or advanced body armor are quite useful, they aren't nearly as good at generating the required political "pork" as the M-1 tank or the Stealth Bomber. The old B-52 is just perfect for loitering around with a cargo of nearly a hundred GPS bombs to support ground ops, but it isn't as sexy and expensive (read as "bringing money home to my constituents") as the Stealth bomber. And things like body armor and even the smart bombs are nowhere near as expensive as other weapon systems.
Again, no problem with this

3. Generals only prepare for what the civilian leadership at the Pentagon tells them. No President since Kennedy has encouraged any emphasis on counterinsurgency warfare. No Congressman or Senator has ever championed it as a must pass item. During every administration since Vietnam, Presidents have de-emphasized Special Forces (Carter nearly eliminated them), and have no true idea on how to utilize them (Somalia is a good example of that ignorance). While the generals certainly share some of the blame, I, for one, believe that military strategy and strategic thinking are not something that civilians should be involved in. It was stated as a joke in a movie, but it is turning out to be quite true that civilians have neither the training, the experience, or the mentality necessary to conduct strategic military thought. And involving generals in politics (which is what civilian control of the military involves through the Pentagon) makes them useless in helping conduct such planning.
This part, however, I don't like so much.

Politicians need to be involved in every step of war as war is an essentially political act. A war is not meant to actually defeat the enemy; it is meant to accomplish a political goal. This goes beyond the usual concession that politicians should decide when and why to go war, for the simple reason that why a country goes to war is extremely important for the conduct of a war.

Among other things, statesmen must decide what measures are acceptable to use, what resources can be pulled from where, and what military actions must be postponed or subordinated to economic and diplomatic concerns. None of these are things generals can do. General Petraeus, one of the U.S.'s leading counter-insurgency experts and the new General of the forces in Iraq, has said that a successful counter-insurgency strategy must depend on diplomatic instead of military means. In The Civil War Lincoln refused to remove himself during any phase of military operations, and if he hadn't it is quite possible that the Union would have lost- not a because of a military defeat, but because of a political one.

As Clemenceau said, whom I trust infinitely more than Colonel Ripper, "War is too important to be left to the Generals."
Remote Observer
30-04-2007, 14:49
One other problem I see:

Defeating a counterinsurgency takes time and men.

I've already covered the fact that you can't just wish Special Forces and Rangers into existence (hell, you can't just wish modern infantrymen into existence - the job is far, far more complicated than even 20 years ago).

The other factor, and it's a political one, is the mindset of the US citizenry.

We want our wars quick, decisive, and clean. There's nothing like the old AirLand battle to wipe out a country's traditional defenses and have the whole thing over in a couple of weeks.... until the insurgents organize and start causing havoc.

So, if we fight according to AirLand battle, we can't stick around. It's not a good political tool because overthrowing a government you don't like doesn't enable you to stick around to nurture or guide one that you do like.

If you want to defeat an insurgency, you have to not only have a completely different kind of military, you have to have the will to stay for years and complete the job.

If that will does not exist, then you can't fight an insurgency.

I believe that the insurgents around the world know this, and it gives them great hope of eventually defeating the US not only abroad, but within the US as well.

The typical American, on hearing that we are still fighting years after an insurgency began, will equate that with losing, and give up on the idea of wanting to keep fighting.

When you give up before your opponent does, you lose. It's that simple.
SaintB
30-04-2007, 17:26
I agree with points made here, we don't have a massive crop of people in the West that would make excellent counter-insergents I beleive that even a small amount of awareness on how to fight against an insurgency, or as an insurgency would do nothing but help.

On another note... who trained these insurgents in the first place? Why.. the US did. The CIA and the Army train insurgents to help overthrow hostile governments all over the world, especially in the Middle East. That fact there could give us an edge over insurgents if high command would just open thier eyes and bother to pay attention.
SaintB
30-04-2007, 17:28
One more point... I'd pity an fool who'd try to take a full scale war (even an insurgent one) against the US. Gun wielding hicks, gangsters, and heavily armed police forces would just be the start of the kind of shit they'd run into other than soldiers.