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And this was a schoolteacher?

I can hardly see how this counts as "rape". I mean, how can someone be so stupid as to believe his story that a doctor told him to apply the medicine in this manner?

It appears to me as though she gave consent to be penetrated.

Stupid, maybe, but I don't see how it can count as deception. She's an educated school teacher, not a barely functional person with Down's Syndrome.

She ought have her teaching credentials suspended. She's clearly too fucking stupid to teach anyone.

She's clearly too stupid for life.

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And this was a schoolteacher?

I can hardly see how this counts as "rape". I mean, how can someone be so stupid as to believe his story that a doctor told him to apply the medicine in this manner?

It appears to me as though she gave consent to be penetrated.

Stupid, maybe, but I don't see how it can count as deception. She's an educated school teacher, not a barely functional person with Down's Syndrome. I also agree that she did give consent. this is, if nothing else, a lession that medical advice should only be given by Doctors. :rolleyes:

The woman must be slightly retarded and the guy took advantage of a retard. The only sensible thing to do is to sterilize eveyone involved so that they don't end up reproducing.

The woman must be slightly retarded and the guy took advantage of a retard. The only sensible thing to do is to sterilize eveyone involved so that they don't end up reproducing.

Clearly the obvious thing to do. :D

Wow... thats just.. wow... thats all I can say.

Egghiccup;12586930']If he fancied a bit of dirtbox action did he feed her boiled eggs all day then pop a laxative in his hog's eye?

Lol that probably would have worked too.

Some people are niave and trusting. I've noticed people with exceptional inteligence or common sense tend to lack in the other. So to insult the persons inteligence is not the thing to do. The man who did this found an obvious 'sucker' and took advantage of the situation for personal gain. He deserves punishment, and the woman should learn a lesson in trust. Sitting here and making fun of the whole situation is not a solution, nor is it appropriate. It was wrong, it was vulgar, and it was might I dare say 'evil' of him to do. Personally I think he should be punished by being made into a unich and if he ever attempts to scam someone again, they can cut his tongue out and feed it to rabid weasels. All without any kind of anastesia mind you.

Personally I think he should be punished by being made into a unich and if he ever attempts to scam someone again, they can cut his tongue out and feed it to rabid weasels. All without any kind of anastesia mind you.

You mean a eunuch, right? A little literacy goes a long way, you know. :rolleyes:

Personally I think he should be punished by being made into a unich and if he ever attempts to scam someone again, they can cut his tongue out and feed it to rabid weasels. All without any kind of anastesia mind you.

and how is that not evil?

Its a preventative measure to insure that he never again attempts such wicked and stupid acts, and will hopefully send him down a 'better' path. The puritans did things similar to that all the time and it was never considered 'evil'. The catholic church killed millions of people who were 'heretics' and 'witches' and not good catholics or catholics at all during the crusades and the inquisition, but it was never at the time branded 'evil'. The Nazi Party killed endless numbers of 'undesirables' but nobody spoke out and called it 'evil' until it was all done and over with. Muslim extremist groups blow up school buses, stores, innocent people, each other, and foreign soldiers alike all over the middle east and in other parts of the world ON A DAILY BASIS and the only people to speak out and call it 'evil' are now rediculed; and Islamists are supposed to be peaceful.
So how can you possibly justify the removal of the testicels and penis of a rapist to prevent further problems as being 'evil'?

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All without any kind of anastesia mind you.

Anastasia? What does she have to do with anything?

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And this was a schoolteacher?

I can hardly see how this counts as "rape". I mean, how can someone be so stupid as to believe his story that a doctor told him to apply the medicine in this manner?

It appears to me as though she gave consent to be penetrated.

Stupid, maybe, but I don't see how it can count as deception. She's an educated school teacher, not a barely functional person with Down's Syndrome.
Consent is not real if the person is deceived about the identity of the person or the nature and quality of the act. So if she believed it was going to benefit her and it wasn't then the consent wasn't real and the guy is guilty

Nothing she's dead, I felt like tossing her in there for S&G reasoning.

Consent is not real if the person is deceived about the identity of the person or the nature and quality of the act. So if she believed it was going to benefit her and it wasn't then the consent wasn't real and the guy is guilty

You would have to argue that the deception was real.

I could argue that it's simply not believable that an educated person would believe such a story - that she knew it was a joke, and let him fuck her anyway.

You would have to argue that the deception was real.

I could argue that it's simply not believable that an educated person would believe such a story - that she knew it was a joke, and let him fuck her anyway.

yeah, even if the story is real i can't see any judge accepting it unless the woman can prove she has a history of gullibility. or if they can find someone the pilot boasted to who's willing to testify.

http://i13.tinypic.com/2ykx4jn.jpgerr... thataway?

Anastasia? What does she have to do with anything?
Expired Russian royalty make everything better, duh.
Anyway, the woman should be forced to wear a helmet and chastity belt for the rest of her life so that she'll be unable to hurt herself again.

couldn't he defend himself as believing it to be role-play?

Wow. Once again, Reality proves that Life is more insane than I am. :(

I mean... where the hell do we go from here?

Is there such a thing as rape by deception? Does the scope of the dception matter? What about the gullibility of the 'victim'?

What ramifications does this hold for the men who tell their girlfriends, "I'm just going to put it in for a second." :p

Expired Russian royalty make everything better, duh.

You're right. A threesome with a 100 year old corpse DOES turn me on.

Wow. Once again, Reality proves that Life is more insane than I am. :(

I mean... where the hell do we go from here?

Is there such a thing as rape by deception? Does the scope of the dception matter? What about the gullibility of the 'victim'?

What ramifications does this hold for the men who tell their girlfriends, "I'm just going to put it in for a second." :p

What ramifications does this have for guys who claim to be doctors in order to get laid? Or people who lie about having a significant other? Could this spell the end of lying your way into a woman's pants?

any allegation of deception or fraud must be met with a showing that the deception was reasonably relied upon.

This is the problem she is going to have.

What ramifications does this have for guys who claim to be doctors in order to get laid? Or people who lie about having a significant other? Could this spell the end of lying your way into a woman's pants?

and in the reverse side... does this mean that a man can sue for rape should the woman insist that "she's safe at this time of the month" or that "she's on the pill" and ends up getting pregnant?

what if the woman the man is with reveals that the's actually a Post Op Transsexual after the sex. would that also fall under deception (lying by omission)?

My penis is a magic wand that can give you eternal life!

Any women here believe me? Any of you?

My penis is a magic wand that can give you eternal life!

Any women here believe me? Any of you?

Best part is they won't know it's not true til they die. Let's see 'em sue you then!

My penis is a magic wand that can give you eternal life!

Any women here believe me? Any of you?

LOL...

nah, it's the magical creamy substance that comes out of the tip that provides eternal life. It has to be injected though a bodily orfice for it to work. :p

LOL...

nah, it's the magical creamy substance that comes out of the tip that provides eternal life. It has to be injected though a bodily orfice for it to work. :p

There's a Stephen Fry book with a character who thinks along these lines. Said character also has a fondness for horses.

LOL...

nah, it's the magical creamy substance that comes out of the tip that provides eternal life. It has to be injected though a bodily orfice for it to work. :p

Zigactly! How'd you know about my special syrup?

and in the reverse side... does this mean that a man can sue for rape should the woman insist that "she's safe at this time of the month" or that "she's on the pill" and ends up getting pregnant?

what if the woman the man is with reveals that the's actually a Post Op Transsexual after the sex. would that also fall under deception (lying by omission)?

What about underage girls lying about their age?

What about underage girls lying about their age?
What about older women lying the other way about their age?

What about underage girls lying about their age?

THAT should be a crime... one of my closest freinds Ben is listed a sex offender and served time in prison because someone lied about thier age. Everything was otherwise consensual and based off respect. It fucked up his life. The woman who does it should be held responisble.

THAT should be a crime... one of my closest friends Ben is listed a sex offender and served time in prison because someone lied about their age. Everything was otherwise consensual and based off respect. It fucked up his life. The woman who does it should be held responsible.

That's horrible. I take it that a woman lying about her age isn't considered a legitimate defence in your country? I think it is here in Canada.

Lesson learned: Raping stupid people is looked on with approval by society.

What ramifications does this have for guys who claim to be doctors in order to get laid? Or people who lie about having a significant other? Could this spell the end of lying your way into a woman's pants?

:eek: EGAD! :eek:

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lol

surely no judge will take her story seriously....right

Yeah, right ('http://westerntelegraph.co.uk/display.var.1351648.0.woman_tricked_into_sex_by_penis_cream_treatment.php')

And this was a schoolteacher?

I can hardly see how this counts as "rape". I mean, how can someone be so stupid as to believe his story that a doctor told him to apply the medicine in this manner?

It appears to me as though she gave consent to be penetrated.

Stupid, maybe, but I don't see how it can count as deception. She's an educated school teacher, not a barely functional person with Down's Syndrome.

You're shitting me, right?

Lesson learned: Raping stupid people is looked on with approval by men.Fixed!

Fixed!

Nah. It is not looked on with approval, it is looked on with disbelief. Most people here simply have difficulty believing that this well-educated woman truly fell for that story, and is not just lying to punish the man.

Fixed!

AH! Thank-you. Though I'm a man... but I see your point... but I'm a man... but I see your point... but I'm a man...

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Lesson learned: Raping stupid people is looked on with approval by society.

rape, in all circumstances, is a horrendous action. I do not support rape in any circumstances. This is true regardless, or, perhaps, especially if the individual is of lower intellect.

The idea that this could be rape however is beyond reasonable belief.

AH! Thank-you. Though I'm a man... but I see your point... but I'm a man... but I see your point... but I'm a man...

mumblemumblemumblemumblemumble

Multiple personalities help you deal with everything. Trust us.

rape, in all circumstances, is a horrendous action. I do not support rape in any circumstances. This is true regardless, or, perhaps, especially if the individual is of lower intellect.

The idea that this could be rape however is beyond reasonable belief.

You don't necessarily have to believe that the woman is telling the truth to see that it is a dangerous thing to take into account somebody's intelligence when it comes to being the victim of a crime. And I'm not saying that that is what you are saying only that is what I feel some people think.

AH! Thank-you. Though I'm a man... but I see your point... but I'm a man... but I see your point... but I'm a man...

mumblemumblemumblemumblemumbleWell, not all men are scum:D

Multiple personalities help you deal with everything. Trust us.

Who said that? A cupcake. Yes. That would be scrumptious. Where did ma put that pig? If it were not for Waterloo, I'd still be the Emperor of France.

Who said that? A cupcake. Yes. That would be scrumptious. Where did ma put that pig? If it were not for Waterloo, I'd still be the Emperor of France.
we agree. the cupcakes at Waterloo were horrendous.

You don't necessarily have to believe that the woman is telling the truth to see that it is a dangerous thing to take into account somebody's intelligence when it comes to being the victim of a crime.

Assuming she isn't lying the man could still argue that he never seriously considered the possibility that she took his story serious, based on her assumed intelligence - reducing the amount of blame one should assign to him.
Though if she really inquired after the name of his "doctor" repeatedly that would be slightly more difficult to maintain.

Assuming she isn't lying the man could still argue that he never seriously considered the possibility that she took his story serious, based on her assumed intelligence - reducing the amount of blame one should assign to him.
Though if she really inquired after the name of his "doctor" repeatedly that would be slightly more difficult to maintain.

Well, yeah. I'm not really speculating about whether or not she's telling the truth. I don't know and at this point nobody knows and I'm sure people have good reasons for believing one way or another. I'm not really concerning myself with the case itself. I'm really addressing the line of reasoning that I mentioned.

we agree. the cupcakes at Waterloo were horrendous.

Proving once again that military engagements and baking do not mix.

Fixed!

Umm...

Well...

Only one thing to say here...


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That isn't a real way of applying cream?

Shit

She ought have her teaching credentials suspended. She's clearly too fucking stupid to teach anyone.

LOLZ!@

Multiple personalities help you deal with everything. Trust us.just remember, that if you are dating someone with MPD, you need ALL their consent for sex. ;)

That isn't a real way of applying cream?

ShitI told you... the tongue is the best applicator. :D

just remember, that if you are dating someone with MPD, you need ALL their consent for sex. ;)
wow, now wouldn't that be an amazing rape case?

That's horrible. I take it that a woman lying about her age isn't considered a legitimate defence in your country? I think it is here in Canada.

No, in fact it is illegal to enter sexual relations with people under a certain age.

Why do I foresee the judge telling her he can only give his ruling if she sits in his lap and rides on his judgment stick?

No, in fact it is illegal to enter sexual relations with people under a certain age.

Yes, but are you required to ask your partner for ID if he/she states that (s)he is of age ? After all, the differences between an 8 and an 18 year old are generally obvious, but a 15 year old dressing as 18+ can be very convincing.

So, if the girl says she's 20 - and it turns out she is in fact 15 - is that a mitigating circumstance or not according to the laws in your country ?