NationStates Jolt Archive

Close all the schools.

That was a very well thought out and perfected arguments. Nobody can argue that it will not stop school shootings. I applaud your genious!

Allow students to conceal and carry hand grenades.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2REG3-Wb5gM

Best way to end school shootings? Wrist control.

Or maybe we could teach kids not to bully kids that are already unstable.

Then we could teach them not to bully kids to the point that they're unstable.

Then we could teach them not to bully kids at all.

But the kids won't listen, so oh well.

Ban t3h rap! T3h rap is ebil!

Indeed. That's pretty much the only thing that will work.

The video games must be banned as well as the internets.

Kids speak in the dangerous language of 1337.

good call - it also solves numerous other school related problems at the same time.

They could always put more than ONE FUCKING DOOR in a classroom.


Seriously, never had a proper classroom with more than one entrance/exit.

How to stop school shooting?


Searches every hour on the hour. Including searches when the students enter and leave the building. And harsher punishments for any infractions pertaining to weapons in school. EX: A student is caught with a pocket knife, or some other small concealable weapon....automatic expulsion and charges filed.

How to stop school shooting?


Searches every hour on the hour. Including searches when the students enter and leave the building. And harsher punishments for any infractions pertaining to weapons in school. EX: A student is caught with a pocket knife, or some other small concealable weapon....automatic expulsion and charges filed.

No. That would grossly violate student rights, but it won't stop shootings.

How to stop school shooting?


Searches every hour on the hour. Including searches when the students enter and leave the building. And harsher punishments for any infractions pertaining to weapons in school. EX: A student is caught with a pocket knife, or some other small concealable weapon....automatic expulsion and charges filed.

Umm...I'm pretty sure we haven't hit the big brother proportions yet that schools don't need warrants to search backpacks. I know they can search lockers and stuff, but they can't ransack your bag. They might, but they're not doing it legally.

Searches every hour on the hour. Including searches when the students enter and leave the building.

And these searches would take how long? Call it 15 minutes.

Assuming school starts at 9 and ends at 4, that would be eight searches per day.

Total about two hours a day, or roughly a quarter of the entire school day.

Are you also planning on increasing the years of schooling by a quarter to make up for this?

Yes, and the guy who walks over to do a search gets a bullet between the eyes. Real smooth. You might as well require every student to wear a bulletproof vest -- at least that would cut down the death toll.

in good schools loke mine you cant stop school shootings. You walk in without metal detectors and there are like 6 security guards total, in my school. there are only 3 exits because of construction and it would be very easy to kill about 100 students before anyone gets out at all. Add metal detectors,So what if they make kids a little late at least u dont have to worry about another vtech or columbine

Or maybe we could teach kids not to bully kids that are already unstable.

Then we could teach them not to bully kids to the point that they're unstable.

Then we could teach them not to bully kids at all.

But the kids won't listen, so oh well.

I've heard this discussion over and over since I was a kid in school (more than usual, having been one of those unstable kids), and this is the only time I've heard the real solution.

in good schools loke mine you cant stop school shootings. You walk in without metal detectors and there are like 6 security guards total, in my school. there are only 3 exits because of construction and it would be very easy to kill about 100 students before anyone gets out at all. Add metal detectors,So what if they make kids a little late at least u dont have to worry about another vtech or columbine

Tell me something, what's to stop a crazy from walking in after classes have started, shooting the guards then slaughtering the kids?

Tell me something, what's to stop a crazy from walking in after classes have started, shooting the guards then slaughtering the kids?

Guard monkeys with pepper spray.

Close all the schools.
Not good enough: children are devious little bastards and will simply begin sneaking into the abandoned school buildings in order to shoot each other.
To stop school schootings, the buildings must not only be closed, but they must be bulldozed. Then, the land can be used to build steel mills and textile factories in which our children may work 18 hour days, keeping them too tired and busy to kill each other.
It is, after all, for the greater good.

How to stop school shooting?


Searches every hour on the hour. Including searches when the students enter and leave the building. And harsher punishments for any infractions pertaining to weapons in school. EX: A student is caught with a pocket knife, or some other small concealable weapon....automatic on the spot execution by firing squad.

Fixed.

I've heard this discussion over and over since I was a kid in school (more than usual, having been one of those unstable kids), and this is the only time I've heard the real solution.


What's the real solution?

Anything! Just don't take away Johnny's precious howitzer.

The searches wouldn't stop them from carrying things...my ex fiance was searched on a regular basis...this was almost 20 years ago. He was only at my high school because he had been expelled from his own town high school for throwing a chair at the assistant principal. Part of the conditions of his being allowed to attend my high school was that he submit to regular searches. He would hear his name called, and pass whatever knife or whatever he was carrying to his friend.

(surprisingly, none of this tipped me off to his violent nature...stupid me, but thats a whole other story)

If a kid wants to do damage and hurt people, s/he will, as another poster said, the root is to stop the bullying, and to make sure that kids that have issues are getting help.

I believe a light peppering of anti personnel mines at the doors, and random rocket attacks at around noonish would easily cut student related violence in half. That and random sweeps by Gurkha regiments to round up trouble makers , who would then be taken to the ultra modern brig to await processing.

But on a more serious note another door would be helpful, in my old junior high, we had one opening, in the wall without a door in it. After that there were two stairways, those of course did have doors which locked, making an bottleneck perfect for the afternoons rampage. After that stopping making the damn doors out of glass, it's all very well if they magnetically seal, but really think about it.

I HAS AN IDEA! :eek: How about we conduct "random" searches on "random" people? Oh yeah, and search EVERY LOCKER IN THE WHOLE SCHOOL! And while we're taking away students' rights, let's have them all take pee-tests for illicit drugs too! AND... AND... SECURITY CAMERAS EVERY THREE FEET! :rolleyes:

On a more serious note...Perhaps there should be more than one way out of a classroom. Like, you know, a special secret passage or something that only teachers know about that are very discreetly hidden inside supply closets or something. Though the shooter would probably find out about them anyway. :(

Or, you know, we could just teach kids not to bully each other. But we all know that's not gonna happen... perhaps I should just lay off the sugar. :rolleyes:

Or, you know, we could just teach kids not to bully each other.

Hang on. The people responsible are the bullies? Not the ones who actually carry out the shootings?

Hang on. The people responsible are the bullies? Not the ones who actually carry out the shootings?

I think everyone agrees with you, but the general well-being of the student populace cant have "no" effect on whether or not violence occurs within it.

I vote to give ALL THE TEACHERS ASSAULT RIFLES. I can imagine all these little old women carrying oversized assault rifles.

Hang on. The people responsible are the bullies? Not the ones who actually carry out the shootings?

Bodies, not many people start crazy enough to kill a bunch of people. They aren't as responsible as the shooters, but they are still responsible.

I'm partial to the idea of teachers taking self-defense courses, armed guards being stationed in every school, and well-regulated student groups forming "militias" to stay vigilant over possible shooters.

Honestly, after 9/11 every flight had Air Marshalls stationed on board, flight attendants trained to deal with possible hijackings, and generally beefed up security. Why should schools be any different? How many more shootings need to happen before people wake up and realize the only way to "stop" this sort of thing is with equivalent force?

Prevention, on the other hand, is a whole other can of worms. A lot of people dropped the ball with Virginia Tech. A lot of things need to change.

MWXK;12585305']How many more shootings need to happen before people wake up and realize the only way to "stop" this sort of thing is with equivalent force?

Question: how come these shootings keep happening in the US, but most other countries don't seem to have the same problem (even allowing for their smaller populations)?

MWXK;12585305']I'm partial to the idea of teachers taking self-defense courses, armed guards being stationed in every school, and well-regulated student groups forming "militias" to stay vigilant over possible shooters.

No well-adjusted student would join a militia to watch other students. The lunatics would run the asylum. Admittedly, it seems like they would know exactly what to be done (Hurrah for George Carlin!) but it tends not to work out that way.

I, personally, would say "fuck off" and go to some liberal hippie private school if my school went that fucking insane.

how about stop kids from writing disturbing essays.

That will stop everything.

That's actually what they did here. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/illinois/chi-ap-il-studentessayarres,1,4292604.story?ctrack=1&cset=true)

Issue all the students their own firearms, and have a mandatory hour of target practice. It will be alot more difficult to shoot fellow students if they are all shooting back at you. :sniper:

Question: how come these shootings keep happening in the US, but most other countries don't seem to have the same problem (even allowing for their smaller populations)?

What about Montreal? What about Argentina, Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Scotland, Britain, and so forth? Believe it or not, smaller population makes one hell of a big difference. Then you have to consider the entire copycat "I admire the shooters at Columbine" mentality. Then the wild card of shear, unpredictable insanity factor which grows exponentially as population climbs.

Naturally, it varies case by case. Personally, I think it's because smaller countries tend to be more culturally cohesive and efficient at education, while being less polarized and extreme in their differences.

Still, it's not for me to say.

No well-adjusted student would join a militia to watch other students. The lunatics would run the asylum. Admittedly, it seems like they would know exactly what to be done (Hurrah for George Carlin!) but it tends not to work out that way.

I, personally, would say "fuck off" and go to some liberal hippie private school if my school went that fucking insane.

As you wish. That does rather smack of complaining about a problem, then shirking away from actually doing anything about given the opportunity to personally act, though.

Issue all the students their own firearms, and have a mandatory hour of target practice. It will be alot more difficult to shoot fellow students if they are all shooting back at you. :sniper:
Thank you, no. I have enough fun with my students right now without them being armed.

how about stop kids from writing disturbing essays.
Unless I missed the news story about how half the victims at VA Tech suffered lethal papercuts from Richard McBeef, this wouldn't have helped anybody. Lots of people are famous/wealthy for writing disturbing stories, yet never went on a killing spree.
Even in the cases where disturbing writings and murder coincide, there is no causal relationship.

Unless I missed the news story about how half the victims at VA Tech suffered lethal papercuts from Richard McBeef, this wouldn't have helped anybody. Lots of people are famous/wealthy for writing disturbing stories, yet never went on a killing spree.
Even in the cases where disturbing writings and murder coincide, there is no causal relationship.

Indeed, otherwise he may have to start blaming good casks of Amontillado for people's deaths.

how about stop kids from writing disturbing essays.

That will stop everything.

That's actually what they did here. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/illinois/chi-ap-il-studentessayarres,1,4292604.story?ctrack=1&cset=true)

They made no policies, they charged him with 'disturbing the piece' or something like that. BS in my book.

Just making sure everybody realizes that my last post was a joke. Obviously the school district people are dumb.

MWXK;12585566'] What about ... Scotland, Britain, and so forth

Scotland is part of Britain. I take it you're refering to Dunblane here - which was a very atypical incident, being carried out by a 44 year old.

The problem is marijuana: they didn't have enough of it. If they were to hot-box the entire building all the students would be too damned high to shoot anybody.

I suspect that it would also boost attendance figures too.

Ban guns for anyone under 85 years of age. that'll stop a lot of shooting amongst young people.

Ban guns for anyone under 85 years of age. that'll stop a lot of shooting amongst young people.


I hope you were joking.

I hope you were joking.

Why would I be? It allows for the second amendment to keep up(partially), and also keeps our younger population safe! Win-win!

Why would I be? It allows for the second amendment to keep up(partially), and also keeps our younger population safe! Win-win!


I really don't think this is the place to discuss gun control, considering we already have a thread going regarding that exact subject.

However, I would think that your suggestion would possibly fall under age discrimination.

Why would I be? It allows for the second amendment to keep up(partially), and also keeps our younger population safe! Win-win!
Yeah, it'd be just like alcohol, which is completely impossible for people under 21 to get their hands on. Completely impossible. Yes.

I really don't think this is the place to discuss gun control, considering we already have a thread going regarding that exact subject.

However, I would think that your suggestion would possibly fall under age discrimination.

That doesn't stop the gov't from restricting my right to alcohol..


speaking of which...

Yeah, it'd be just like alcohol, which is completely impossible for people under 21 to get their hands on. Completely impossible. Yes.

Which is where I was going to go with that :)