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How very tragic. Migrant workers motivated purely by greed and avarice, who inadvertently lower wages for British wages, whilst occupying jobs that could othersie be performed by the unemployed, and raising rents, are exploited. How my heart bleeds for them.

In any case, the use of the term "slavery" in regard to this not only defies the semantic worth of the term, but alsodemonstrates the extent to which the advocates of open immigration are every inch as cynical as they portray their opponents. The deployment of "slavery" is little more than a crude play upon heightened sensibilities and awareness of slavery at present, and makes light of the plight of genuine colonial slaves, given that the migrants arrive in the UK of their own volition motivated by greed alone, and are entirely able to leave.

In any case, why, in light of the penury and unemployment of British citizens, should we care? It's their own fault, and their absence would improve the state of menial jobs immeasurably.

How very tragic. Migrant workers motivated purely by greed and avarice, who inadvertently lower wages for British wages, whilst occupying jobs that could othersie be performed by the unemployed, and raising rents, are exploited. How my heart bleeds for them.

or you' know they could be people looking for a better future only to find out they have been lied to and are now forced into a lifetime of serfdom

also no they don't lower wages, steal jobs or raise rent and I have no idea where your pulling this from other than a BNP rally

In any case, why, in light of the penury and unemployment of British citizens, should we care? It's their own fault, and their absence would improve the state of menial jobs immeasurably.

yes because:

1) they are human
2) they are here legitimately
3) I've yet to find a case where a British citizen has been forced into slavery in Lithuania have you?
4) no its not "there own fault" they where lied to
5) the fact that you ignore how much Britain relies on immigration and how the country is and always has been immigrant land worries me

edit:
http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/7/79/Bnp_wheel.gif

...says Mr "I'm gonna migrate to Ireland"

:rolleyes:

I was going to post a reply to that OP that would probably count as flaming. So, instead of arguing a pointless battle against such beliefs, I will simply vote with my feet by ignoring the thread, and give it a 'terrible' rating with the thread tools.

I urge others to do the same.

EDIT: Good old Jolt, not letting me actually carry out my threat. :p

How very tragic. Migrant workers motivated purely by greed and avarice, who inadvertently lower wages for British wages, whilst occupying jobs that could othersie be performed by the unemployed, and raising rents, are exploited. How my heart bleeds for them.

In any case, the use of the term "slavery" in regard to this not only defies the semantic worth of the term, but alsodemonstrates the extent to which the advocates of open immigration are every inch as cynical as they portray their opponents. The deployment of "slavery" is little more than a crude play upon heightened sensibilities and awareness of slavery at present, and makes light of the plight of genuine colonial slaves, given that the migrants arrive in the UK of their own volition motivated by greed alone, and are entirely able to leave.

In any case, why, in light of the penury and unemployment of British citizens, should we care? It's their own fault, and their absence would improve the state of menial jobs immeasurably.
How very tragic. Migrant workers motivated purely by wanting to provide a decent life for themselves and their families, who are willing to work for less than the (Conservative-opposed) legislated minimum wage, whilst occupying jobs that even the unemployed don't want, and living in accommodation that a sewer rat would reject, are exploited. My heart bleeds for them.

In any case, the wilful ignorance of the context of the term "slavery" in regard to this demonstrates a cynicism on the part of the OP for basic things such as human rights. The deployment of "slavery" is little more than a 100% accurate representation of the conditions that immigrants are living and working in, and is a pretty good comparison to the plight of genuine colonial slaves, given that the migrants arrive in the UK motivated by (as said above) wanting to provide a decent life for themselves and their families, and are entirely unable to leave (because they have no money and nowhere to go).

In any case (again), why, in light of the perfectly adequate welfare system and opportunities for both short- and long-term unemployed British citizens, should we care? It's not their own fault, and their absence would result in thousands of menial yet essential jobs going unfulfilled.

I was going to post a reply to that OP that would probably count as flaming. So, instead of arguing a pointless battle against such beliefs, I will simply vote with my feet by ignoring the thread, and give it a 'terrible' rating with the thread tools.

I urge others to do the same.

EDIT: Good old Jolt, not letting me actually carry out my threat. :p
I blame you for totally ruining this thread. It could've developed into something great. Like the time Chris 'threatened' to leave the country if we elected a prime minister from an ethnic minority.

How very tragic. Migrant workers motivated purely by greed and avarice, who inadvertently lower wages for British wages, whilst occupying jobs that could othersie be performed by the unemployed, and raising rents, are exploited. How my heart bleeds for them.
How very tragic indeed that you are getting a university education, which will result in you getting much better wages than the working class, thus creating a market for more and more expensive goods, and raising house prices, so that the majority of British people can't afford to live here.

Oh how my heart will bleed for you when you lose your job and can't pay the rent because you insist in being elitist and having nothing to do with the working class and anyone foreign and will hence have to pay a couple of grand a month for a pretentious London flat.
In any case, the use of the term "slavery" in regard to this not only defies the semantic worth of the term, but alsodemonstrates the extent to which the advocates of open immigration are every inch as cynical as they portray their opponents.
Oh really?

"Extreme believers on both sides of the argument both have completely intractible viewpoints shock", eh?
The deployment of "slavery" is little more than a crude play upon heightened sensibilities and awareness of slavery at present, and makes light of the plight of genuine colonial slaves, given that the migrants arrive in the UK of their own volition motivated by greed alone, and are entirely able to leave.
To be honest, Chris, I don't think that you actually care about that kind of slavery either, seeing as you've openly admitted to not liking black people essentially for the colour of their skin.

Your argument might stand up to people just accepting it in the Daily Express or something, but to most people, it's just offensive crap.
In any case, why, in light of the penury and unemployment of British citizens, should we care? It's their own fault, and their absence would improve the state of menial jobs immeasurably.
Yes, yes we should care. They are people too, and they are getting well below the minimum wage, getting illegally conned out of money and are basically being exploited because Britain continually portrays itself to be a land of hope and opportunity.

I blame you for totally ruining this thread. It could've developed into something great. Like the time Chris 'threatened' to leave the country if we elected a prime minister from an ethnic minority.

I beg of you, don't make him leave. He might come here and make and Irish version of the BNP. :(

I blame you for totally ruining this thread. It could've developed into something great. Like the time Chris 'threatened' to leave the country if we elected a prime minister from an ethnic minority.Would TBC leave if Flash Gordon became PM? I mean he IS scottish... and they are technically an ethnic minority. *crosses fingers*


And according to various figures unemployment was 2.9% as of 2006. Unemployment can't get much lower than that without causing damage to the economy.

I beg of you, don't make him leave. He might come here and make and Irish version of the BNP. :(

QFT

I blame you for totally ruining this thread. It could've developed into something great. Like the time Chris 'threatened' to leave the country if we elected a prime minister from an ethnic minority.

I'm quite pleased to see I have such control over the fate of threads. :p

I blame you for totally ruining this thread. It could've developed into something great. Like the time Chris 'threatened' to leave the country if we elected a prime minister from an ethnic minority.

Or that he would only vote for a party without ethnic minorities like UKIP? ;)

Stalin Wins. :)

Would TBC leave if Flash Gordon became PM? I mean he IS scottish... and they are technically an ethnic minority. *crosses fingers*

Princess Tony is Scottish too...

A British government minister called immigration "The great experiment" a few years ago. This is social engineering! HOW FUCKING DARE THEY! Using people, immigrants and british citizens as guinea pigs! What if it had all gone terribly wrong? What if it still goes wrong? We could still end up with a far right government with minoritys that already live here suffering!

Or that he would only vote for a party without ethnic minorities like UKIP? ;)Oh yes, definately UKIP, because Chris would never vote for the BNP seeing as they put up the non-white candiate for election in 2006. *nods*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_Abdel_Gawad

Stalin Wins. :)



Princess Tony is Scottish too...Yes, but the public hasn't been told by media that Blair is scottish, so everyone assumes that he must be English... but the media have told the public the Brown is Scottish, and that with the every Scot (about 1 in 3) demanding independence then we should not be allowing to ourselves to have a PM from the likes of scottish stock. It might also be because Brown has a heavier accent... or something like that.

Yes, but the public hasn't been told by media that Blair is scottish, so everyone assumes that he must be English... but the media have told the public the Brown is Scottish, and that with the every Scot (about 1 in 3) demanding independence then we should not be allowing to ourselves to have a PM from the likes of scottish stock. It might also be because Brown has a heavier accent... or something like that.
Helps that Blair has an English constituency as well.

Stalin Wins. :)
Woo!

Who else thinks that TBC won't be back to this thread?

or you' know they could be people looking for a better future only to find out they have been lied to and are now forced into a lifetime of serfdom

also no they don't lower wages, steal jobs or raise rent and I have no idea where your pulling this from other than a BNP rally



yes because:

1) they are human
2) they are here legitimately
3) I've yet to find a case where a British citizen has been forced into slavery in Lithuania have you?
4) no its not "there own fault" they where lied to
5) the fact that you ignore how much Britain relies on immigration and how the country is and always has been immigrant land worries me

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http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/7/79/Bnp_wheel.gif

*claps* [/thread]


i love how Marcus Brigstock put it on the Now Show... "they're not coming over and stealing our jobs, they're coming over and DOING our jobs!"



quite amazing how the OP turned an article about the exploitation of humans and the illegal nature of their treatment and pay and turned it into something so right wing. have you ever considered working for the Daily Mail, TBC? ;)

Linky Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6593321.stm)

How very tragic. Migrant workers motivated purely by greed and avarice, who inadvertently lower wages for British wages, whilst occupying jobs that could othersie be performed by the unemployed, and raising rents, are exploited. How my heart bleeds for them.
So, let me get this straight. Gang masters and criminals - in this case British and Lithuanian - convince these people that they will be able to come to the UK and work under British law and then use them as sweatshop labour with no minimum wage, withheld pay, no guaranteed job security or rights - and you blame the victims and not the criminals? These people were conned into thinking they would be able to have a better life here, earn some money, and then return home to start a family (according to the Beeb report) and instead put into bondage.

This is exploitation, regardless of your 'unemployed could do it' line.

In any case, the use of the term "slavery" in regard to this not only defies the semantic worth of the term, but alsodemonstrates the extent to which the advocates of open immigration are every inch as cynical as they portray their opponents.
So, everybody that supports 'open immigration' calls it slavery do they? Trust you to come up with that.

The deployment of "slavery" is little more than a crude play upon heightened sensibilities and awareness of slavery at present, and makes light of the plight of genuine colonial slaves, given that the migrants arrive in the UK of their own volition motivated by greed alone, and are entirely able to leave.
Says the guy that wants to move to Ireland of his own violation, motivated by..? In any case, it doesn't matter whether you get placed into bondage in your home country or whether it was after they arrived here, it is modern day slavery nonetheless.

In any case, why, in light of the penury and unemployment of British citizens, should we care? It's their own fault, and their absence would improve the state of menial jobs immeasurably.
Because we should care that the laws that govern this country have been broken. That's why we should care. You would, I'm sure, be outraged if a white, Eton-educated, middle class Brit was treated like this, and legally, this situation is no different.

Well done, Chris, I thought after you casually admitted to being a racist, and had it pointed out, you'd have cut the Daily Mail crap. You proved me wrong.

How very tragic. Migrant workers motivated purely by greed and avarice,
Greed is an exact synonym for avarice. Your sentence reads: 'Migrant workers motivated purely by greed and greed'.

There's 'insufferably pretentious', and then there's 'just plain dumb'.
but alsodemonstrates the extent
Now, ok, we all know you love a long word, but missing out the spaces is just cheating.
It's their own fault, and their absence would improve the state of menial jobs immeasurably.
You sir, are a communist, and a racial traitor to the great British public. Your implication is that these foreign workers are outcompeting John Bull in the workplace. I know this is nonsense, and that the British spirit is too great to crushed by this: if foreigners are taking jobs, they must be those we have not deigned to accept ourselves. Anyone who suggests otherwise is impugning the very name of Britishness.

And I fully support EU migrants who would come to the UK to steal our thesauruses.

Greed is an exact synonym for avarice. Your sentence reads: 'Migrant workers motivated purely by greed and greed'.

There's 'insufferably pretentious', and then there's 'just plain dumb'.

Now, ok, we all know you love a long word, but missing out the spaces is just cheating.

You sir, are a communist, and a racial traitor to the great British public. Your implication is that these foreign workers are outcompeting John Bull in the workplace. I know this is nonsense, and that the British spirit is too great to crushed by this: if foreigners are taking jobs, they must be those we have not deigned to accept ourselves. Anyone who suggests otherwise is impugning the very name of Britishness.

And I fully support EU migrants who would come to the UK to steal our thesauruses.It seems Stalin has lost the thread winnage to you, sir. :D *sniggers quietly at your insults... except perhaps the last one. I'm not sure I get that one*

Who else thinks that TBC won't be back to this thread?He's become very trollish recently, posting new threads only to permanently take his leave of the thread before the first page is full.

He's become very trollish recently, posting new threads only to permanently take his leave of the thread before the first page is full.

It's the classic post and run tactic popularised by the many incarnations of Deep Kimchi, though at least he had the decency to make a brief attempt to defend his position.

It seems Stalin has lost the thread winnage to you, sir. :D *sniggers quietly at your insults... except perhaps the last one. I'm not sure I get that one*
:(
What if I refuse to relinquish my winnage?

That last insult was, I believe, aimed at TBC's propensity for being plethorically garrulous.

It's the classic post and run tactic popularised by the many incarnations of Deep Kimchi, though at least he had the decency to make a brief attempt to defend his position.
So what does it say about us that we rip him to shreds and then take the piss rather than reporting the thread in moderation?

That last insult was, I believe, aimed at TBC's propensity for being plethorically garrulous.
how celestially jocose! wot wot!

So what does it say about us that we rip him to shreds and then take the piss rather than reporting the thread in moderation?

that we have too much time on our hands?

It's the classic post and run tactic popularised by the many incarnations of Deep Kimchi, though at least he had the decency to make a brief attempt to defend his position.
Even MeansToAnEnd/FreedomAndGlory/Citizen_Patriot tried to defend his/her position once or twice. Made it far more entertaining.

So what does it say about us that we rip him to shreds and then take the piss rather than reporting the thread in moderation?

Making a thread and never posting in it agains isn't against the rules.

Someone said it was trolling, which I don't think it is really.

It's not, it's just something that trolls usually do.

Making a thread and never posting in it agains isn't against the rules.
Someone said it was troll-like (not trolling), which I don't think it is really.

Even MeansToAnEnd/FreedomAndGlory/Citizen_Patriot tried to defend his/her position once or twice. Made it far more entertaining.
Yeah, you see, herein lies the problem.

TBC has, from time to time, tried to make it OK by saying "yes, but I am fully and stupedously aware and perceptive that I am perchance xenophobic and racist, and bear no love for the working man, only a grudge" but I think it's just dawned on him that maybe, just maybe, his viewpoint is about as concrete as the Zimbabwean Dollar.

So what does it say about us that we rip him to shreds and then take the piss rather than reporting the thread in moderation?That most generalites have never cared for, nor felt the need for moderation. Last time I posted in moderation it was to check I had the right number for TG.

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What if I refuse to relinquish my winnage?

That last insult was, I believe, aimed at TBC's propensity for being plethorically garrulous.If you refuse to relinquish your winnage then... um... I dunno... something. I'll feed you CMOT Dibbler pie, that's what.

Someone said it was trolling, which I don't think it is really.I didn't say it was trolling, merely troll-like behaviour. Though having looked at my post it appears 'quite' would have been a better choice of adjective than 'very'.

I blame you for totally ruining this thread. It could've developed into something great. Like the time Chris 'threatened' to leave the country if we elected a prime minister from an ethnic minority.

But was'nt Tony Blair born is scotland? Gordon Brown born and raised in Scotland and Cameron is of scottish descent. And Kennedy/cambpell was born in scotland aswell....

So minorities are already in power and the next leader will be an ethnic minority!

so pretty fucked don't you think?

I beg of you, don't make him leave. He might come here and make and Irish version of the BNP. :(

don't be foolish. As an immigrant he'll inadvertently lower wages for Irish workers, whilst occupying jobs that could othersie be performed by the unemployed, and raise rents. He'll get welfare, get all his family to move over and have a dozen children.

his viewpoint is about as concrete as the Zimbabwean Dollar.

Are you saying their economy is crappy? Awwww *puts down imaginary currency*

I hope TBC is not from Yorkshire, now that would be sad (for the people of yorkshire).

Are you saying their economy is crappy? Awwww *puts down imaginary currency*

I hope TBC is not from Yorkshire, now that would be sad (for the people of yorkshire).
I think he's from Kent.

And living in Yorkshire, please don't imagine that it's like it was in the 30s, all dole queues and depression, with thick smog in the air. It isn't. It's mostly quite middle class outside of Leeds/Bradford, and even those areas are nicer than most of the northwest.

I didn't say it was trolling, merely troll-like behaviour. Though having looked at my post it appears 'quite' would have been a better choice of adjective than 'very'.
Sorry, I'll correct that.

Yeah, you see, herein lies the problem.

TBC has, from time to time, tried to make it OK by saying "yes, but I am fully and stupedously aware and perceptive that I am perchance xenophobic and racist, and bear no love for the working man, only a grudge" but I think it's just dawned on him that maybe, just maybe, his viewpoint is about as concrete as the Zimbabwean Dollar.
Seeing TBC trying to defend that would be about as entertaining as TBC sinking all his savings into Zimbabwan (or more appropriately Rhodesian) dollars. unfortunately, I see my grandma arguing almost exactly the same thing every few weeks, which is always a giggle after she's had a vat of wine.

Guys please stop saying TBC

it sounds like a venereal diseases! It's hard to keep to keep a straight face when reading the posts

You need to read this Chris

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Immigrants-Your-Country-Needs-Them/dp/0316732486/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-8182073-6249543?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177628489&sr=8-1

It will answer all your opinions about immigration with cold, hard, realities.

Guys please stop saying TBC

it sounds like a venereal diseases! It's hard to keep to keep a straight face when reading the postsWhat's worse HPV or TBC? You decide.

... if only, that poll would get deated pretty quickly.

Anyway, I always read TBC as To Be Confirmed. Meh.

Sorry, I'll correct that.Don't worry about it... I just didn't want people to think I was throwing accusations around wildly...

I think he's from Kent.

And living in Yorkshire, please don't imagine that it's like it was in the 30s, all dole queues and depression, with thick smog in the air. It isn't. It's mostly quite middle class outside of Leeds/Bradford, and even those areas are nicer than most of the northwest.

My dad came from Yorkshire so I feel a bit of pride for the place/area. When I went to the U.K (decade ago) I only managed to get to York and Leeds and a bit of the surrounding countryside.