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Iraq: Hindsight is 20/20 (THE FLYING RAT)

Shalrirorchia
25-04-2007, 01:50
The Flying Rat
Political Commentary From An American Progressive

The Bush-led neoconservatives in the U.S. government continue to pile on the pressure regarding the Iraq war. The President himself seems content to try and re-frame the public debate in terms more to his liking.

This should not be a terrible surprise to anyone who has been observing the events of the last seven years. This is a President who has literally made his political fortune by "controlling the message". The ability to influence the political debate in the public eye is a subtle but powerful tool...Bush's political career is littered with victims who could not match the prowess of his Sultan of Spin, Karl Rove. Ann Richards, Al Gore and John Kerry are all examples of the power of the message-driven campaign, as Bush managed to win elections that he probably should have lost.

But the President's efforts have become increasingly obvious as the tide of war and public opinion have turned against him. He is now left attempting to make the case that the Democratic Party is attacking the generals and the soldiers by refusing to give him a blank check to continue waging the war in Iraq. Bush claims that if the Democrats send him a funding bill with anything resembling a timetable or a benchmark system that he will veto it and that it will be the Democrats' fault if the funds for the troops dry up.

Let me be adamant. Nobody wants to see the troops go without necessary funding or supplies. The Democratic Party does not hate the troops. Indeed, we want to bring them home because we feel that their lives should not be cast away carelessly...especially when their sacrifice buys us no apparent gain. Bush's efforts to redefine the war in this light are representative of the hard-knuckled politics that have defined his entire Presidency. When he says that he believes that the decisions about Iraq should be made "by generals instead of Washington politicians", you are almost compelled to forget that the commander-in-chief is himself a Washington politician.

Let us, then, proceed to some facts. The situation in Iraq remains highly unstable, despite the troop surge. A recent spate of violence has left hundreds dead and illusion of progress shattered. Among the dead were American serviceman and Iraqi parliament members in the heavily-fortified Green Zone, which is supposed to be the safest part of Baghdad. If we cannot even secure the Green Zone, then what are our chances of controlling the rest of the country?

Disturbing, too, are the signs that our stay in Iraq might be longer term than even the Bush Administration is admitting. American military bases have sprung up all around the country, and many of them are beginning to look rather like permanent installations rather than the temporary lodgings of an army that is supposed to be transitioning out of Iraq as soon as possible. Given what we were told about Iraq prior to the war, given what we have been told all the way up until now, and given what reality has actually conjured up, one must sooner or later ask the obvious question: Is the Bush Administration lying to us?

I originally strongly supported the invasion of Iraq, as did many of my Democratic representatives. We did so based on the notion that Saddam Hussein's Iraq represented an imminent threat to U.S. national security. It was a perception fed by years of suspicion about Iraqi intentions, and was exploited a Bush Administration eager to establish a credible casus belli. In this lies one of the Administration's greatest failings; it is not an impeachable offense to lie to the American public, but it is the responsibility of an elected official to tell the truth to his or her constituents even when that truth might not be politically helpful for the official. Few politicians actually meet this obligation, but fewer still actually sink to the level the Bush Administration has. The Administration's actions have directly led to the deaths of thousands of American servicemen, and have jeopardized the War on Terror. Even worse, the Administration's actions have torn the delicate fabric between governor and governed. Federal law has been abused or outright ignored in the name of political expediency. Branches of the government may have actually been subverted in order to further the political aspirations of the Republican Party (Alberto Gonzales' current woes are only one of a litany of charges regarding abuses of power by the Administration). Case in point: Philip Cooney. Cooney, a former American Petroleum Institute lobbyist AND chief of staff for the White House Council on Environmental Quality, admitted in congressional testimony this year that he altered three government reports to eliminate or downplay links between greenhouse gases and global warming. He now works for Exxon Mobil Corp. (Washington Post).

If I thought impeachment would solve anything, I would applaud Dennis Kucinich's effort this week to pass impeachment proceedings against Bush Administration officials. But these efforts have no chance of succeeding...the Republicans in Congress are, for the moment, sticking to their guns. They have come to resemble to ideological fanatics occupying the White House a few blocks away...party loyalty trumps all other considerations, even those regarding the welfare of the country. It makes me proud to be a Democrat; with all of our infighting and petty squabbles, we can at least rest with relative ease knowing that our Party will not be dictated to by the more radical fringe (or anybody else, for that matter). Who would have thought disorganization and disagreement could be so comforting?

That said, we have a decision to make about Iraq. The fundamental question is this: Are we deriving some type of benefit from staying in the short term? The notion of the impact of a long-term stay in Iraq is less important, as theoretically we are not going to be in Iraq for a very long time. Iraq is, after all, supposed to be a sovereign country. At some point, they must take responsiblity for themselves. If a majority of Iraqis do not desire our presence, they can demand that we leave. If the country breaks apart because the various factions cannot put aside their guns and their differences, then that is not only a failure of Mr. Bush's policies, but also of the Iraqi people themselves. The United States cannot realistically be expected to hold Iraq together indefinitely.

Ironically, the troops in Iraq are being held hostage...not by the Democratic Congress (which defied the President and approved the spending bill today), but rather by the President of the United States. The President has now had seven years of blank checks issued to him by a Republican Congress that simply refused to hold the Administration or the Iraqis accountable for results. The era of the blank check for Iraq is now over. If the troops go unfunded, it will be because President George W. Bush vetoed their spending bill. It will be George W. Bush who prevents those funds from reaching them, not the Democratic Congress. To represent the situation as anything different is a blatant attempt at political spin on Mr. Bush's part.

How will this end? I do not know. But I do know that Mr. Bush's "plan" is a recipe for another Vietnam-style, "slow-bleed" strategy. Any victory in Iraq must come from within their own social and political systems, not American firearms and warplanes. As evidenced by the violence there, the prospects for such a political settlement are not encouraging. To say so is not defeatist. It is an acknowledgment of just how dire the situation in Iraq really is.

And we have perhaps the worst man for the job to fix it.
Arrkendommer
25-04-2007, 01:59
http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/05/051506.html
The Nazz
25-04-2007, 02:57
Not to be dickish on this subject or anything, but there were a number of people who had 20/20 foresight on this whole matter, and while I appreciate that you and others have come around, it seems a bit self-congratulatory to me when there were hundreds of thousands, if not millions worldwide who looked at this before it started and figured it would be a colossal fuckup.
Dobbsworld
25-04-2007, 03:17
Not to be dickish on this subject or anything, but there were a number of people who had 20/20 foresight on this whole matter, and while I appreciate that you and others have come around, it seems a bit self-congratulatory to me when there were hundreds of thousands, if not millions worldwide who looked at this before it started and figured it would be a colossal fuckup.

We had it pretty well sussed it was going to be an era of fuck-uppedness when Bush stole the 2000 election.
CanuckHeaven
25-04-2007, 11:30
Not to be dickish on this subject or anything, but there were a number of people who had 20/20 foresight on this whole matter, and while I appreciate that you and others have come around, it seems a bit self-congratulatory to me when there were hundreds of thousands, if not millions worldwide who looked at this before it started and figured it would be a colossal fuckup.
Our Prime Minister, Jean Chretein, and most Canadians figured that invading Iraq while the UN was still looking for the "phantom" WMD's would be as you so aptly put it........"a colossal fuckup"!!!
Australia and the USA
25-04-2007, 15:10
The democrat party is almost as much responsible about Iraq as the republicans are. Hillary Clinton and most democrat senators voted for war. It's taken them how long to figure out the war was a mistake? Only the 12 senators who voted against Iraq and Barack Obama who voiced his opinion about the war before it started have my respect.

I am a democrat but am dissapointed in most of our senators. The democrat in congress believed the same thing the republican believed. Voted for the same war the republicans did and now hope america blames only the democrats.

Of the leading candidates (Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Rudi Guliani, John McCain) the only ones i would ever consider voting for are Obama, Edwards and Guliani. I refuse to vote for any candidate who supported or voted for the war.
Atopiana
25-04-2007, 15:16
What's hilarious is that people like me, who don't have access to tip-top ultra-hush files and multi-trillion dollar war machines, took one look at the idea of invading Iraq and said "Just don't, OK, it'll be totally hideous and waaaay too many people will die, and it will be illegal, solve nothing, might even make shit worse - it sure as hell won't get better - and oh for the love of god LISTEN to your own sodding advisors."

And we got told to go away. Who was right? We was right. You was wrong. WE TOLD YOU SO, NYAH NYAH NYAH.
Ceia
25-04-2007, 15:32
Our Prime Minister, Jean Chretein, and most Canadians figured that invading Iraq while the UN was still looking for the "phantom" WMD's would be as you so aptly put it........"a colossal fuckup"!!!

Even if Canada wanted to contribute to the war effort, how much of a contribution could Canada have seriously made? Currently there are thousands of Canadians bravely serving in Afghanistan. That alone has stretched the military.
Arthais101
25-04-2007, 15:41
Not to be dickish on this subject or anything, but there were a number of people who had 20/20 foresight on this whole matter, and while I appreciate that you and others have come around, it seems a bit self-congratulatory to me when there were hundreds of thousands, if not millions worldwide who looked at this before it started and figured it would be a colossal fuckup.

You know, I gotta agree here. Frankly speaking I've been saying this was a shitty idea since bush's "I swear they have yellow cake!" speech in March of 03.

NOW people are coming around saying "oh what a horrible idea this turned out to be!"

Yeah, no shit. I've been saying that since the beginning.
The_pantless_hero
25-04-2007, 15:44
Sadly, hindsight is blind and requires a guide dog, but the guide dog doesn't like you and is screwing with you.

On April 19, Harry Reid, D-Nev., the U.S. Senate majority leader, said: "This war is lost."

The enemy in Iraq has won. Reid has done more in support of the Islamofascists terrorists than Osama bin Laden. Insurgents are elated.

They use car bombs and suicide bombs to kill innocent men, women and children. They are winning. Recruiting is up. Reid is on their side.

Our troops - God bless them - will continue this courageous fight in spite of the changing tactical situation and the attempt of the Democratic Party to undermine and defund the effort.

The March 2003 war consisted of brilliantly executed missions. We were asked to stay after this victory to provide the necessary stability so Iraq could develop a functioning society. We do this in spite of ever-changing enemy tactics.

Iraq has never known a representative form of government. It is a dictator controlled society built on tribal, not national alliances, complete with religious intolerance and old historical ethnic grudges. To turn it into a representative republic is a tall task. Real Americans know the impossible just takes just a little bit longer.

Reid says we are finished. Employ the Democrats' cut-and-run strategy. The enemy can now establish their initial conquests, their next target: western civilization.

Reid does not represent Nevada or the United States. He represents Islamofascism. He provides full aid comfort and support to this enemy.

Harry Reid must go. Resign now!
Today's letter to the editor.
Skinny87
25-04-2007, 16:16
Sadly, hindsight is blind and requires a guide dog, but the guide dog doesn't like you and is screwing with you.


Today's letter to the editor.

Heh. 'Twould be amusing if it wasn't actually serious...
Shalrirorchia
25-04-2007, 23:45
In a post 9-11 world, some of us (myself included) were not as careful as we should have been, and the result was that we did not see the situation in Iraq for what it was until it was too late to back out.
Fleckenstein
26-04-2007, 00:03
Sadly, hindsight is blind and requires a guide dog, but the guide dog doesn't like you and is screwing with you.


Today's letter to the editor.

LOL.

Resign? For speaking his opinion?

TO THE GALLOWS, TRAITOR!
Zarakon
26-04-2007, 00:09
Our Prime Minister, Jean Chretein, and most Canadians figured that invading Iraq while the UN was still looking for the "phantom" WMD's would be as you so aptly put it........"a colossal fuckup"!!!

This is why I have sworn I will never mince words if I run for office. If something strikes me as stupid, I will say it. If it's bigoted, I'll say that. If it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life, I will say that.

I don't care if it's during a debate or a speech. That's what I'll say. I've also resolved to never take money from special-interest groups and only rely on supporter funding.

So, in other words, I wouldn't stand a chance if I ran.

Also, I have read an infinitely better opinion article from this guy who says he won't let anyone who he knows is on the birth control pill into his house and got rid of his TV because he can't know what celebrities are on the pill, and-here's the best part-says his wife "respects him for it" or something along those lines.

That poor woman.
Atopiana
26-04-2007, 00:37
Yeah, no shit. I've been saying that since the beginning.


Exactly. Well said. Stop the War Coalition in the UK formed on the evening of the 9th of September 2001. We were right then and we're still bloody right now.
The Nazz
26-04-2007, 01:21
The democrat party is almost as much responsible about Iraq as the republicans are. Hillary Clinton and most democrat senators voted for war. It's taken them how long to figure out the war was a mistake? Only the 12 senators who voted against Iraq and Barack Obama who voiced his opinion about the war before it started have my respect.

I am a democrat but am dissapointed in most of our senators. The democrat in congress believed the same thing the republican believed. Voted for the same war the republicans did and now hope america blames only the democrats.

Of the leading candidates (Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Rudi Guliani, John McCain) the only ones i would ever consider voting for are Obama, Edwards and Guliani. I refuse to vote for any candidate who supported or voted for the war.

If you really are a Democrat, then why are you using that utterly retarded "democrat party" and "democrat senators" construction?
Dobbsworld
26-04-2007, 01:44
Even if Canada wanted to contribute to the war effort, how much of a contribution could Canada have seriously made? Currently there are thousands of Canadians bravely serving in Afghanistan. That alone has stretched the military.

More like "stupidly serving in Afghanistan".
The Nazz
26-04-2007, 02:00
In a post 9-11 world, some of us (myself included) were not as careful as we should have been, and the result was that we did not see the situation in Iraq for what it was until it was too late to back out.

I get that, I really do, so don't take this as a shot at you.

Why doesn't the media get it, however? How often do you see in a major newspaper Op-Ed section, or on a television news or analysis program, anyone who was opposed to the war from the start? It hardly ever happens, even though--and this is the important part--we were right from the beginning. No, the voices you hear, the faces you see, the columns you read are all from people who were either wrong and are still wrong, or people who were wrong and finally figured it out.

I think it's because a lot of media people were suckered in as well--with a very few exceptions, they were scared and they bought into Bush's tough guy persona and didn't question him, and now we're all worse off for it. McClatchy Newspapers were one of the few who called bullshit from the beginning, and they deserve credit. But the major papers? The cable news channels? The networks? I think they feel they can't let voices who were right all along any oxygen becase they, the media, are culpable too, and they know it.
Shalrirorchia
27-04-2007, 04:32
What do you expect of us?

I do not consider myself to be a stupid person. But for the life of me, I can't see what to do next. Iraq is a terrible mess, and no matter what decision we make now, it seems there will be negative consequences attached to that decision. This may be one of those things in life that you simply cannot fix once it is broken. What's more, I am damned sick and tired of hearing conservative fruitcakes say absurd, illogical things about both me, my Party, and the War on Terror. Such as the guy who said:

The enemy in Iraq has won. Reid has done more in support of the Islamofascists terrorists than Osama bin Laden. Insurgents are elated.

What the hell do you know, buddy? Have you talked to any insurgents lately? Or:

The March 2003 war consisted of brilliantly executed missions. We were asked to stay after this victory to provide the necessary stability so Iraq could develop a functioning society.

We were not asked to stay. There was no Iraqi government LEFT at that point. The new Iraqi government wasn't created until much later. What's more, I don't think the new Iraqi government has ever asked us to stay, either. They've simply not told us to leave yet. That's an important distinction.
Zagat
27-04-2007, 07:29
In a post 9-11 world, some of us (myself included) were not as careful as we should have been, and the result was that we did not see the situation in Iraq for what it was until it was too late to back out.
It's no different to the many other times propaganda has been used to exploit a situation in order to goad a populice into acting contrary to its own standards.

I vividly recall studying public manipulation through propaganda and the shameless exploitation of national problems and tragedies in high school. Everyone derided the gullable fools so easily manipulated through such seemingly unsophisticated methods...the methods are no more sophisticated than they ever were, whatever the technology employed in their propagation.