NationStates Jolt Archive

The other thread got me thinking, with all the arguing and fighting. It is impractical and unfair to dissolve the state of Israel etc etc. But it was highly unfair and cruel to the people already living there. Moreover, the settlements are encroaching even further on Palestinian land. There is also the issue of civilian deaths at the hands of the IDF to contend with. So my question is,

Should the Palestinian people who lost their homes due to the creation of Israel and the settlements, or civilian family due to the actions of the IDF be paid compensation or restitution for their losses? Would this do anything to alleviate the tensions in the area? Would this go some way to paving a path for peace in the area?

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the flame war...

*starts digging bomb shelter*

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the flame war...

*starts digging bomb shelter*

I'll be starting a side business of popcorn and beer sales. Interested?

The other thread got me thinking, with all the arguing and fighting. It is impractical and unfair to dissolve the state of Israel etc etc. But it was highly unfair and cruel to the people already living there. Moreover, the settlements are encroaching even further on Palestinian land. There is also the issue of civilian deaths at the hands of the IDF to contend with. So my question is,

Should the Palestinian people who lost their homes due to the creation of Israel and the settlements, or civilian family due to the actions of the IDF be paid compensation or restitution for their losses? Would this do anything to alleviate the tensions in the area? Would this go some way to paving a path for peace in the area?

I had a plan on this sometime back. Basically, you join the two lands, you take the money give to Israel by nations in foreign aid, and put it towards building infrastructure in the former territories. The gov't would be a secular one, but would have equal representation among the populace.

I had a plan on this sometime back. Basically, you join the two lands, you take the money give to Israel by nations in foreign aid, and put it towards building infrastructure in the former territories. The gov't would be a secular one, but would have equal representation among the populace.

That could work on a national scale. Not a bad plan. I was thinking on a smaller scale, like money to individuals. Sorta like what they are doing to some indigenous groups in my country over Stolen Generation and Black Deaths in Custody and Land Rights.

The removal of all settlements outside the 1967 borders, the creation of a Palestinian state comprising Gaza, Arab East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Both sides to acknowledge wrong doing, (but not nessicarily apologise) and some financial restitution by Israel, for the sake of appearances if nothing else.

The other thread got me thinking, with all the arguing and fighting. It is impractical and unfair to dissolve the state of Israel etc etc. But it was highly unfair and cruel to the people already living there. Moreover, the settlements are encroaching even further on Palestinian land. There is also the issue of civilian deaths at the hands of the IDF to contend with. So my question is,

Should the Palestinian people who lost their homes due to the creation of Israel and the settlements, or civilian family due to the actions of the IDF be paid compensation or restitution for their losses? Would this do anything to alleviate the tensions in the area? Would this go some way to paving a path for peace in the area?

Yes, it would be a start... It can't be the only thing, but the offer would at least be an important gesture.

Basically in agreement, but if there were to be an agreement with the PA over different borders (a land swap, perhaps) I wouldn't object. Israel/Palestine could also jointly run a security fence along their border, for both side's protection.

I would support that.

The removal of all settlements outside the 1967 borders, the creation of a Palestinian state comprising Gaza, Arab East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Both sides to acknowledge wrong doing, (but not nessicarily apologise) and some financial restitution by Israel, for the sake of appearances if nothing else.
Basically in agreement, but if there were to be an agreement with the PA over different borders (a land swap, perhaps) I wouldn't object. Israel/Palestine could also jointly run a security fence along their border, for both side's protection.

The other thread got me thinking, with all the arguing and fighting. It is impractical and unfair to dissolve the state of Israel etc etc. But it was highly unfair and cruel to the people already living there. Moreover, the settlements are encroaching even further on Palestinian land. There is also the issue of civilian deaths at the hands of the IDF to contend with. So my question is,

Should the Palestinian people who lost their homes due to the creation of Israel and the settlements, or civilian family due to the actions of the IDF be paid compensation or restitution for their losses? Would this do anything to alleviate the tensions in the area? Would this go some way to paving a path for peace in the area?
Errr... since people have been shooting at each other from the start, and it's all a bit "an eye for an eye", I can't see how this wouldn't just create more resentment.

"Excuse me, Mr. and or Mrs. Israeli, it'd be lovely if you could give me some money for the pleasure of being shot at on what was once my land."

"Why of course it would be lovely, Mr. Palestinian, but I don't see why, since you won't be paying rent since we bulldozed your house."

"An interesting point, perhaps, but rather callous, do you not think?"

"Since you shot my dog, no, not really.

"Hmm, fair enough."

*the status quo continues*

Very few Palestinians actually had their land stolen from them, most of it was sold legitimately. The thing is though is that the Palestinians thought they were selling worthless swampland, and so they priced it accordingly, but when the Zionists took that land, drained it, and built upon it the Palestinians began to think that maybe they did not lay down the correct price in the first place.

So is that what we should be re-embursing them for? Hmm, I could perhaps agree, as the business environment in early 20th Century Palestine was far from fair and equal. But whether the Israeli electorate could is a seperate issue. Imagine if you are an Israeli and your local school or hospital is being closed down to cut costs and the government then announces that is giving your tax dollars to the great grandsons of a man who made a bad deal on the property market!

The other thread got me thinking, with all the arguing and fighting. It is impractical and unfair to dissolve the state of Israel etc etc. But it was highly unfair and cruel to the people already living there. Moreover, the settlements are encroaching even further on Palestinian land. There is also the issue of civilian deaths at the hands of the IDF to contend with. So my question is,

Should the Palestinian people who lost their homes due to the creation of Israel and the settlements, or civilian family due to the actions of the IDF be paid compensation or restitution for their losses? Would this do anything to alleviate the tensions in the area? Would this go some way to paving a path for peace in the area?

They should. But they should also have their land back.

Very few Palestinians actually had their land stolen from them, most of it was sold legitimately. The thing is though is that the Palestinians thought they were selling worthless swampland, and so they priced it accordingly, but when the Zionists took that land, drained it, and built upon it the Palestinians began to think that maybe they did not lay down the correct price in the first place.!

Absolute bollocks that has no foundation in reality whatsoever.

Whats more I do believe that I pointed this to you ,specifically, on a previous occasion, but theres always the chance I was mistaken. Therefore, once more I shall set you right. A rough total of 8% of the entire area of the (what was then the) Palestinean mandate was bought by "settlers"/"zionists"/"whatever the fuck title suits you".

You may check that figure where you will. You might also enlighten me as to where you got your rather bizzarre notion from.

Perhaps it will be possible once Israel and the UN admit they have wronged the Palestinian people.

Perhaps it will be possible once Israel and the UN admit they have wronged the Palestinian people.

Actually, the UN provided for a Palestinian state that was majority Palestinian. Not the UN's fault that 5 arab armies decided to destroy infant Israel and lost in the process.

Actually, the UN provided for a Palestinian state that was majority Palestinian. Not the UN's fault that 5 arab armies decided to destroy infant Israel and lost in the process.

The UN stole people's land.

The UN stole people's land.

The land that was mostly owned by Israel was given to the nation and those owned by the Palestinians were given to them.