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Inspired by the "Opposite: Abortion" thread.

Argue for the opposite stance without trying to flame, troll, be totally absurd, or spam (the Apocalypse! :eek:).

Argue for the opposite stance without trying to...be totally absurd

you ask the impossible

you ask the impossible

It worked in the abortion thread...

Adolescents are not inclined to have sex. Clearly, the timber man would never find tuna town unless the children were taught safe sex.

It worked in the abortion thread...

well, one can make an argument against abortion that is only subtly absurd. but abstinence sex ed is an entirely absurd position from the get go. i might, however, be able to make a non-absurd argument in favor of abstaining from having sex in the school building.

It worked in the abortion thread...

That one's actually a lot easier. While the pro-life stance is easy to empathize with, abstinence programs in schools are, by their nature, "totally absurd".

That one's actually a lot easier. While the pro-life stance is easy to empathize with, abstinence programs in schools are, by their nature, "totally absurd".

Yeah... I thought so too. It seemed liek a good idea at the time, though.

Actually, I can understand abstimemce being taught/encouraged in schools, but it should be taught along with contraception and other things too.

Bah, I fail at discussion threads. Perhaps I should just stick to fluffle spam... :(

I honestly can't make a pro-abstinence only education argument without invoking some arbitrary religious book. So I'm not going to bother.

Sorry Pancake :(

Yeah... I thought so too. It seemed liek a good idea at the time, though.

Actually, I can understand abstimemce being taught/encouraged in schools, but it should be taught along with contraception and other things too.

Bah, I fail at discussion threads. Perhaps I should just stick to fluffle spam... :(

When I was in middle school this issue was political and the school board was constantly up in arms about it. So every other year I was told that condoms were the most reliable form of protection, only for the following year to be told some garbage about how most STDs were caught when a condom was used properly.

here's what i got:

the lord our god said somewhere or other that he'd smite us if we didn't teach abstinence only sex ed. the fact that doing so just doesn't work and actually leads to worse consequences for the teens in question does not concern us, as what we care about is the smiting, not the earthly results. those sinners will just burn anyway, and their bastard children too.

*i'm pretty sure that is in fact the actual argument in favor of abstin only*

I honestly can't make a pro-abstinence only education argument without invoking some arbitrary religious book.

and even then, it'd be kinda hard to get specific on it

and even then, it'd be kinda hard to get specific on it

Yeah, I've read parts of the OT, the Bhagvad Gita, the Vedas, and The E Ching (sp?) but I've never once read an explicit (don't use condoms, m'kay) statement in any of them.

Teenagers are not equipped to have sex, as such we should not be teaching them ways in which to avoid the consequences. Having consequences for actions usually leads to more responsibility.

As with spanking a child when you provide a detterant for an action it is likely to reduce the likelyhood of that action occurring in the future.


(Damn that was hard)

Teenagers are not equipped to have sex, as such we should not be teaching them ways in which to avoid the consequences. Having consequences for actions usually leads to more responsibility.

As with spanking a child when you provide a detterant for an action it is likely to reduce the likelyhood of that action occurring in the future.


(Damn that was hard)

Damnit, I HAVE to respond to this as I normally would...Must...fight...must...stay in character...eh fuck it.


I'd say, given the numbers of teen pregnancies every year, that teens are very equipped to have sex.

Damnit, I HAVE to respond to this as I normally would...Must...fight...must...stay in character...eh fuck it.


I'd say, given the numbers of teen pregnancies every year, that teens are very equipped to have sex.

To further specify mentally equpped

Ok... How about...

Models of child development have shown that children around high school age have start started to reason as adults do; however, this start is not temped with the wisdom of age as well as not having developed a more adult moral/ethical code, leading to some very illogical and self-centered decisions that do not take into account the consiquences of their actions. More or less, their bodies and hormomes are far outstripping their ability to reason well. We don't allow them to enter into legal agreements, why should we give them knowledge to start something that will last a lifetime when they are unable to actually deal effectivly with the situation?

Add in parents' rights to decide on what their children should know without state interfearence and the very real fact that children born to teens and single parent families are more likely to experiance troubles later on in life...

And there you are, we shouldn't be informing them of what's out there, just teaching them about something this dangerous.

Inspired by the "Opposite: Abortion" thread.

Argue for the opposite stance without trying to flame, troll, be totally absurd, or spam (the Apocalypse! :eek:).
Normally I'd be in favour of abstaining from sex in schools. Seems unnecessarily risky to me to do otherwise in so public and jeuvenile an environment. Should I be proposing that it's actually no bad thing to grab your partner and spend lunch in the bathrooms?

And there you are, we shouldn't be informing them of what's out there, just teaching them about something this dangerous.

see, valiant attempt leads to absurdity

Normally I'd be in favour of abstaining from sex in schools. Seems unnecessarily risky to me to do otherwise in so public and jeuvenile an environment. Should I be proposing that it's actually no bad thing to grab your partner and spend lunch in the bathrooms?

Doing what?

(Sorry, I just HAD to play stupidly clueless on this one.) :p

Teenager's will not have sex if we, those in authority, tell them. It's a well-known fact that teenagers accept boundaries they think are stupid.

Abstainence should be taught in schools. With all these lessons on how to use condoms we should also be telling our kids how to say no too. We need to remove the social stigma from the statement "I'm sorry, I'm just not ready."

OOC: are we doing abstinence only or just abstinence?

The only "safe sex" is no sex. Kids should not be taught about contraceptives and condoms because they might be more likely to have sex. If they do not know about ways to help avoid the consequences they would be scared to do it.

Also, abstinence only classes teach people to value themselves. And their future partner.

"Aww honey..you saved yourself for me!"
Now, doesn't that make you feel good?:)

Hey, if it keeps even one kid from having sex, then that's a good thing.

(Errr.. I suck at this)

see, valiant attempt leads to absurdity
OOC: Honestly I don't think I can do it. I tried, and I think I came up with some (if not strong, at least arguable) reasons why teens should refrain from sex, but when I try to tie it to teaching abstinance only... it just falls apart.

Here we go...

Sex has inherit risks that only adults are mentally able to cope with and fully comprehend. Teenagers, because they are so hormonal and moody, can't be expected to deal with adult problems and issues, which is also the reason why we have age minimums for certain activities, such as buying alcohol and driving. Expecting teenagers to be able to deal with the problems that might come with sex, even protected sex, is hypocritical when we have other restrictions on their behaviour based on their age and maturaty level.

Or, not really pro abstinence, but not teaching any type of birth control:

We shouldn't teach any sex ed because the gov. has no place in people's bedrooms, parents should be the ones to choose how they want to educate their kids about sex.


Or something.

Off topic: I have to debate an anti-gay marriage position for school next monday, which is soo even more freakin impossible. Gah

look.

modern society is all about sex. SEX SEX SEX. its everywhere.

teens are inundated with sexual images, sexual messages, all leading to one thing. HAVING sex.

they need to have a balance. the only place we have control over is the public schools. therefore its best to have the message in schools be abstinence. kids can get info on sex, birth control, STDs, whatever, from the net but only in school do they get information on the proper attitude toward sex. WAITING.

Off topic: I have to debate an anti-gay marriage position for school next monday, which is soo even more freakin impossible. Gah

would you get in trouble if you just demanded strict adherence to traditional marriage ideas? like saying that gay marriage is bad for the same reason that miscegenation is?

would you get in trouble if you just demanded strict adherence to traditional marriage ideas? like saying that gay marriage is bad for the same reason that miscegenation is?

Well, as a child stemming from miscegenation, I don't think that exact comparison will be a great arguement. I'm leaning towards kids need role models of both sexes, as of now, I guess. Bleh, I'll think of something.

I'm leaning towards kids need role models of both sexes, as of now, I guess.

Yeah, do something like that.

Males and females naturally complement each other, and this complementation is essential to a healthy family and society.

Male-male and female-female pairings are "unnatural" in that they disregard the male-female orientation of human nature; they pretend that males and females are somehow equivalent, when in fact they are naturally different, and naturally "designed" to be paired with one another.

I don't want public schools teaching anything but abstinance. I don't trust these administrators to teach my children. They've been spewing outright dangerous propaganda for decades. The only thing I trust them to do is teach my kid to say no.

OOC: My first post was regarding abstinance in addition. The second was abstinance only. Sorry, this is hard!