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I dont know if a threads been done on this yet-I've been out of commision for a while and I'm just hearing about this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18233560/


I can see yelling at your kid,telling them you're angry or dissapointed-but this guy is a serious dick. He calls his 11 yr old daughter a pig?

It seems clear to me he is the one trying to use his daughter as a tool agianst his ex-wife. I've been mad at my kids before-and told them-but never called them a name. Its disgraceful behavior.

I could understand if he was speaking to his ex-wife in anger as one adult to another-but your own 11 yr old daughter ?

I wouldn't give either Alec or his former wife the benefit of the doubt. They are both pretty bad parents. Unfortunately for their daughter, she is the perfect avenue for them to continue thier petty fued.

I have four kids, two daughters--one 11 and one 9.

I would never say anything like that to my kids...I mean.

Basically he has proven himslef to be nothing more then a self centered child trapped in a man's body.

What's wrong with him?

He's a Baldwin, for starters. ;)

I wouldn't give either Alec or his former wife the benefit of the doubt. They are both pretty bad parents. Unfortunately for their daughter, she is the perfect avenue for them to continue thier petty fued.

It doesnt matter how hostile your battle with your ex is- if you want to be part of your child's life-regardless of how unfair things seem- you cant treat your child like this.
I heard the audio- he was so hostile and out of control, a kid would actually fear him.

If he had any hopes of obtaining any type of custody-this evidence put a huge dent in that.
He sounded like he was out of control and you can only imagine how ugly it could have been if the kid was there in person with him in private.

And he was so pompous and smug-he knowingly left this as a recorded message. To me,that gives the impression he wasnt even aware how wrong or out of control he was.

If he punched paparazzi in the street-I wouldnt be concerned to much. Thats almost understandable,you can almost see that excuse.

There is no excuse for this.

I have four kids, two daughters--one 11 and one 9.

I would never say anything like that to my kids...I mean.

Basically he has proven himslef to be nothing more then a self centered child trapped in a man's body.


With a real mean streak.

What's wrong with him?

He's a Baldwin, for starters. ;)

Good point.

Over-reaction. We don't even know what prompted Baldwin. It's not a shining moment of parenting, but it's really just as a friend put it a, "Hey, dude-you want to calm down a bit?" moment and not something that I should even know about unless he was doing it in front of me at the check out lane. He's in the middle of a divorce and for all we know Ireland was being an ungrateful little brat-not the best way to deal but in the grand scheme of parental mistakes this one is hardly newsworthy.

You seem to misunderstand me. I never said this was acceptable or something. But I'm not exactly betting that the ex-wife is that good of a parent either, since she's also been fueling this fire as much as he has.

Also, this recording wasn't presented as "evidence" in a court of law. This was leaked to the media. This is defamation of Baldwin in the eyes of the public, nothing to do with the actual custody case. This tape could have been heard privately in a court-room, but it wasn't.

EDIT: I also kind of agree with another poster here. He seemed quite out of line, but to tell you the truth we don't really know the circumstances leading up to his outrage. He might not be in the best of cognitive shape.

EDIT 2: Oh okay thanks CL!

You seem to misunderstand me. I never said this was acceptable or something. But I'm not exactly betting that the ex-wife is that good of a parent either, since she's also been fueling this fire as much as he has.

Also, this recording wasn't presented as "evidence" in a court of law. This was leaked to the media.

I wasnt correcting you-just adding to your statement.

Oh Gods not this again :rolleyes:

Yes there's been a thread on it already.

Yes he shouldn't have done what he did.

Yes it's a personal matter that's not evidence nor indication that he's a child abuser or have anger management issues.

Yes it's none of our business, really.

Yes, I'm done.

No, it isnt over reaction.
A father doesnt speak that way to his children. End of Story.

I am a strict disciplinarian(s/p?), I tolerate very little, but discipline is a two way street, one must have discipline to administor it, a Father must be stern.
Getting into a pissing contest of name calling and malicious slander against your 11 year old child is not a "Dude calm down" moment, I am not calling it abuse or anything like that. I am calling it not the actions of an adult, and by no means a Father.

Over-reaction. We don't even know what prompted Baldwin. It's not a shining moment of parenting, but it's really just as a friend put it a, "Hey, dude-you want to calm down a bit?" moment and not something that I should even know about unless he was doing it in front of me at the check out lane. He's in the middle of a divorce and for all we know Ireland was being an ungrateful little brat-not the best way to deal but in the grand scheme of parental mistakes this one is hardly newsworthy.

I dont think anything could "prompt" this type of tirade toward a child. She's 11. Not 29.

It wouldnt matter to me if she spit in his face in public-you dont call your child a pig once,or twice as he did.

Divorces are almost always ugly affairs. His anger and stupidity where greatly misguided.

No, it isnt over reaction.
A father doesnt speak that way to his children. End of Story.

I am a strict disciplinarian(s/p?), I tolerate very little, but discipline is a two way street, one must have discipline to administor it, a Father must be stern.
Getting into a pissing contest of name calling and malicious slander against your 11 year old child is not a "Dude calm down" moment, I am not calling it abuse or anything like that. I am calling it not the actions of an adult, and by no means a Father.

If we could live in a world where only saints with the patience of Job had children, this would be doable. But we don't.

My parents have lost their shit, it's been hurtful, they calmed down apologized, didn't become a pattern and I didn't grow up to molest dolls or kick puppies. Climb down off the pedestal, people make mistakes.

Baldwin is your garden-variety spoiled creep. He become accustomed to getting everything that he wants, and when something doesn't go his way, he has no clue how to handle it, so he just flips out and gets angry. It's no surprise to me.

he's basically screwed up whatever chance he ever had of winning that custody battle anyway.

If we could live in a world where only saints with the patience of Job had children, this would be doable. But we don't.

My parents have lost their shit, it's been hurtful, they calmed down apologized, didn't become a pattern and I didn't grow up to molest dolls or kick puppies. Climb down off the pedestal, people make mistakes.

QFT. Sometimes my mother would get really steamed at me in a similiar vein to Baldwin whenever I did something really terrible. She never called me name's, but still. After an hour or two of calming down, we'd both apologise, hug, cry and go to bed.

nothing is wrong with alec baldwin but an amazingly bitter divorce and custody/visitation battle that led him to lose his temper.

its the rare parent who wouldnt cringe to hear his/her voice played back to them after yelling at their kid.

he's basically screwed up whatever chance he ever had of winning that custody battle anyway.

i doubt it.

after all, the judge has to weigh that horrible rant of his against his ex wifes decision to make the tape public in violation of a gag order (and with obvious damage to the child)

i doubt it.

after all, the judge has to weigh that horrible rant of his against his ex wifes decision to make the tape public in violation of a gag order (and with obvious damage to the child)

Ain't that the truth. It's one thing to lose your shit when talking to your child but it's a whole other thing to use something like that to try and publicly humiliate your partner in a divorce, taking something that should be a matter between parent and child and because of the parents celebrity make it a matter for public discourse. I would argue that this is more damaging to Ireland than Alec momentarily losing his temper, even if it was Ireland herself that made the recording available.

Ain't that the truth. It's one thing to lose your shit when talking to your child but it's a whole other thing to use something like that to try and publicly humiliate your partner in a divorce, taking something that should be a matter between parent and child and because of the parents celebrity make it a matter for public discourse. I would argue that this is more damaging to Ireland than Alec momentarily losing his temper, even if it was Ireland herself that made the recording available..I 100 % agree.

i doubt it.

after all, the judge has to weigh that horrible rant of his against his ex wifes decision to make the tape public in violation of a gag order (and with obvious damage to the child)

yeh, that's true. but threatening behaviour towards a child is a pretty hefty argument against suitability for parenthood imo.

Over-reaction. We don't even know what prompted Baldwin. It's not a shining moment of parenting, but it's really just as a friend put it a, "Hey, dude-you want to calm down a bit?" moment and not something that I should even know about unless he was doing it in front of me at the check out lane. He's in the middle of a divorce and for all we know Ireland was being an ungrateful little brat-not the best way to deal but in the grand scheme of parental mistakes this one is hardly newsworthy.


Have to agree with this. A lot of people do things or say things dumb to there kids. I actually think Baldwin is an idiot but going to have to say this incident is not a major deal unless there is a pattern of bad behavior on his part to his child. That has not been revealed as of yet. So I would give a pass to the guy for this screw up.

Ain't that the truth. It's one thing to lose your shit when talking to your child but it's a whole other thing to use something like that to try and publicly humiliate your partner in a divorce, taking something that should be a matter between parent and child and because of the parents celebrity make it a matter for public discourse. I would argue that this is more damaging to Ireland than Alec momentarily losing his temper, even if it was Ireland herself that made the recording available.

it must be so mortifying to have the world hear that tape over and over again. everyone in school, all their parents, all your friends.

i guess both parents have gone far beyond the ability to be civilized.

i guess both parents have gone far beyond the ability to be civilized.their "crimes" are not equal.
#1 He lost his temper.

#2 In a premeditated move.. she violated a court order.. knowing it would hurt her child.. just to get back at her husband.

it must be so mortifying to have the world hear that tape over and over again. everyone in school, all their parents, all your friends.

i guess both parents have gone far beyond the ability to be civilized.


I feel the ex-wife is a lowlife as well, for exposing her dirty laundry.

As a parent,if my ex-spouse had left this sort of a message,I would have love to have intercepted this tape BEFORE my child had a chance to hear it. And I certainly wouldnt share it with the world.

I would probably use it to defend my position better as its a great piece of ammunition, but to use it like she did-She is as big a turd as he is.

What's wrong with him?

He's a Baldwin, for starters. ;)

Exactly correct.


It seems like every famous family has a crack head or two..

The Baldwin's, the Jackson's, the Arquette's..

If we could live in a world where only saints with the patience of Job had children, this would be doable. But we don't.

My parents have lost their shit, it's been hurtful, they calmed down apologized, didn't become a pattern and I didn't grow up to molest dolls or kick puppies. Climb down off the pedestal, people make mistakes.

I am not on a pedestal.
As i said, I am not calling it abuse.

And yes if your parents did the same thing.
Then they too fail at being good parents.
Yelling, spanking, and general discipline are normal, getting into a name calling contest with an 11 year old is not adult, or fatherly.

So you can climb down off your high horse, you make mistakes fixing your car, building a model, or trimming the hedges--oopss I burned dinner.
You dont make mistakes raising a child, you simply fail at it--because you shouldnt be doing it.

It doesnt take a saint not to call an eleven year old child to her face she is a disgusting pig--it takes normal human being with a stable mental capacity.

I am not on a pedestal.
As i said, I am not calling it abuse.

And yes if your parents did the same thing.
Then they too fail at being good parents.
Yelling, spanking, and general discipline are normal, getting into a name calling contest with an 11 year old is not adult, or fatherly.

So you can climb down off your high horse, you make mistakes fixing your car, building a model, or trimming the hedges--oopss I burned dinner.
You dont make mistakes raising a child, you simply fail at it--because you shouldnt be doing it.

It doesnt take a saint not to call an eleven year old child to her face she is a disgusting pig--it takes normal human being with a stable mental capacity.
It must be tough for you, walking around all us mere mortals with moments of weakness and bad decisions.

It must be tough for you, walking around all us mere mortals with moments of weakness and bad decisions.

It's not tough at all being someone who has never, ever repeated the stupid outrages of my parents. Not even once.

It's not tough at all being someone who has never, ever repeated the stupid outrages of my parents. Not even once.
Every parent says that.

I doubt every parent patting themselves on the back here would enjoy having their entire ability as one judged on one isolated moment without context or chance for redemption.

Don't bother responding to that, I know that to hear you all tell it you've never made any mistake in rearing your children, that you're all paragons of patience and can heap scorn on 'less deserving' parents based on single moments on voicemail.

It's not tough at all being someone who has never, ever repeated the stupid outrages of my parents. Not even once.

I'm glad to see someone that learned from experience,rather than use that experience as an excuse to behave badly themselves.

What's wrong with him?

He's a Baldwin, for starters. ;)

Hey, I'll have you know Adam Baldwin is a fine, funny, and underappreciated actor. Jayne from Serenity/Firefly.

I'm glad to see someone that learned from experience,rather than use that experience as an excuse to behave badly themselves.

That's a pretty sad mis-representation of what's going on. I'm not a parent, nor am I making excuses. I am, however, saying that while what he did was bad what is happening as a result is an over-reaction.

It doesnt take a saint not to call an eleven year old child to her face she is a disgusting pig--it takes normal human being with a stable mental capacity.
Except of course that she didn't actually call her that to her face. A small but significant detail.

Meh.
If this is the worst thing her parents ever say to her the kid's lucky.

That's a pretty sad mis-representation of what's going on. I'm not a parent, nor am I making excuses. I am, however, saying that while what he did was bad what is happening as a result is an over-reaction.

The only thing thats "happening" is people discussing his poor reaction to a lousy situation.

No one I see has over-reacted yet-aside from the ex-wife tossing it out for us all to hear.

He didnt commit any crime. I'm not aware of anyone suggesting any type of charges or boycotting his work.

I have three kids. They have misbehaved and dissappointed me, but I've managed to always be aware of my reaction and have never called any of them names.
And I have been damn frustrated,too.

No matter how mad I've gotten, with my kids,I've always been able to maintain the clarity NOT to be abusive or vindictive when dealing with them.


And as I said- I'm disgusted with the fact that this is out for everyone to see and hear in nauseating detail.

Especially in a climate where people have said less and been severely penalized.

Except of course that she didn't actually call her that to her face. A small but significant detail.

Its almost worse if you think about it. He deliberately recorded it so she could enjoy it forever.

He wasnt secretely recorded. He wasnt raging against his wife- his angry tirade was made directly against his own child and he was aware he was being recorded.

Makes you wonder how he would have reacted if she was present when he threw his fit.

Except of course that she didn't actually call her that to her face. A small but significant detail.

The other detail being that Alec Baldwin is a HE not a SHE.

But Touche' none-the-less.

It was indeed not to the face, he had to dial, let the phone ring, wait for for her out going messege to play, then rant at a machine that would allow her to listen to it over and over again.

Seems to me it took a lot of patience to just leave the messege.


And it seems like the only person who is ok with this type of behavior towards a child is someone who doesnt even have children...hardly someone who has a note worthy opinion of what a parent should or should be expected of and what is or isnt hard in parenting.

Try driving the car before offering lessons.

Ah, the chittering meddle in other people's private family lives department...

:rolleyes:

Ah, the chittering meddle in other people's private family lives department...
I note you couldnt stay away, or resist the urge to make it know you were here.

I note you couldnt stay away, or resist the urge to make it know you were here.

Nope, try again.

I also note you are interested enough to stay and keep reading.

I wasnt wrong the first time, and I am not wrong this time.

Is it liberalism or conservatism that more strongly advocates chittering whining about the private family lives of others?

...

And as I said- I'm disgusted with the fact that this is out for everyone to see and hear in nauseating detail.


...


So disturbed that you make sure that evern MORE people can see and hear about it?


As someone who was severely verbally abused, I for one think YOU and DK (RO) are definitely overreacting. Most people that have dealt with verbal abuse seem to attest to the fact that what he said wasn't all that bad (while still maintaining that it was wrong to do).

On to make a general query: I wonder how many parents are against hurting a kids feelings by calling them a name while hypocritically condoning swatting a kid on the ass or hand (which hurts their feelings), since it doesn't physically scar them making it perfectly okay and the only way to raise a child to be a fine upstanding adult.

And it seems like the only person who is ok with this type of behavior towards a child is someone who doesnt even have children...hardly someone who has a note worthy opinion of what a parent should or should be expected of and what is or isnt hard in parenting.

Try driving the car before offering lessons.
Again, making me 'ok' with it...didn't I say it was wrong? Hmm, yep-sure did.

This is super-weak. It might be stronger if I was the one advocating saint-like restraint, but even then it would be weak. I haven't had puppies so I can't criticize other peoples criticisms because I've never apparently been a child, known people with children, been involved with the raising of children, or even further have no ability to understand the human condition or any degree of empathy or understanding unless I've spent the requesite number of hours in the parent cockpit.

Sorry, no dice.

But whatever, have your back patting public roast of Baldwin and condemn his entire existence as a parent based on an out of context voicemail message because your a parent so your experience allows you to pass such emperical judgment. The most anyone should have reacted to this at all was, "Jeez man. That was a bit much." It was, it was wrong. But to dance around the effigy of him is just unbearably smug.

But apparently since I don't have kids I can't see that.

Even though I wasn't the one crowing about how people should raise their kids.

Have fun, I gotta get tires.
(that last bit is for me, I really should have left two hours ago...lazy today...)

their "crimes" are not equal.
#1 He lost his temper.

#2 In a premeditated move.. she violated a court order.. knowing it would hurt her child.. just to get back at her husband.

It doesn't matter what she did.

Fact remains; you don't talk to your kids like that and you don't talk crap about your ex-spouse to your kids.

Its almost worse if you think about it. He deliberately recorded it so she could enjoy it forever.

He wasnt secretely recorded. He wasnt raging against his wife- his angry tirade was made directly against his own child and he was aware he was being recorded.

Makes you wonder how he would have reacted if she was present when he threw his fit.
Thing is, it seems to me that it was getting the answering machine for the umpteenth time that set him off. That was the breaking point. So to say that he was deliberately waiting... Well, then you know more than the article is telling.
The other detail being that Alec Baldwin is a HE not a SHE.

But Touche' none-the-less.

It was indeed not to the face, he had to dial, let the phone ring, wait for for her out going messege to play, then rant at a machine that would allow her to listen to it over and over again.

Seems to me it took a lot of patience to just leave the messege.
See above...

And it seems like the only person who is ok with this type of behavior towards a child is someone who doesnt even have children...hardly someone who has a note worthy opinion of what a parent should or should be expected of and what is or isnt hard in parenting.

Try driving the car before offering lessons.
...and please learn to read before posting here. Feel free to go back, and read my post over and over and over until you find the part where I say I'm OK with it, or offer any lessons whatsoever.

So disturbed that you make sure that evern MORE people can see and hear about it?


As someone who was severely verbally abused, I for one think YOU and DK (RO) are definitely overreacting. Most people that have dealt with verbal abuse seem to attest to the fact that what he said wasn't all that bad (while still maintaining that it was wrong to do).

On to make a general query: I wonder how many parents are against hurting a kids feelings by calling them a name while hypocritically condoning swatting a kid on the ass or hand (which hurts their feelings), since it doesn't physically scar them making it perfectly okay and the only way to raise a child to be a fine upstanding adult.

Parent. I don't do either.

What I am about to type is very difficult for me as I never really liked the guy but what business is it of yours? This was a private phone call and people, no matter who they are, what they say, or how they talk to their kids should be entitled to a certain level of privacy.

*shudder* I can't believe I just defended that guy. I feel so dirty.

What I am about to type is very difficult for me as I never really liked the guy but what business is it of yours? This was a private phone call and people, no matter who they are, what they say, or how they talk to their kids should be entitled to a certain level of privacy.

*shudder* I can't believe I just defended that guy. I feel so dirty.

Well? When you take the road to being labeled a celebrity and make your money off it. Are you entitled to control what the public should know? Especially when you are portraying an image? It seems to me when you want to reap the rewards of the good; the bad is fair game.......

I'm sure we would all love some money-grubbing, semi-stalker paparazzi to hack into your voicemail or pay off some one to get a voicemail you sent them and then send it around to the public so they can scrutinize it out of context and run a major hackjob on your character. Even celebrities deserve a modicum of privacy.

Fact remains; you don't talk to your kids like that and you don't talk crap about your ex-spouse to your kids.
Do you even live on this planet?

Do you even live on this planet?

I wish I didn't. It has Texas on it.

I wish I didn't. It has Texas on it.
What's wrong with Texas? I thought you would have loved Texas. 2 of your favorite thigns come from there.

What's wrong with Texas? I thought you would have loved Texas. 2 of your favorite thigns come from there.
Queers and steers?
I wish I didn't. It has Texas on it.
Don't remind me.

Parent. I don't do either.


I find that very commendable.

Queers and steers?
Holy dog shit! How did you know?

Is it liberalism or conservatism that more strongly advocates chittering whining about the private family lives of others?

People would call me a liberal, and I've already argued that while this wasn't exactly a shining moment, I can see where it came from.

He's been REPEATEDLY ignored/kept from being able to speak to his child on COURT APPOINTED, SCHEDULED phone calls.

If I kept trying to call my kid and the scheduled calls were never picked up, I would be frustrated/hurt/angry. And while name-calling is never right, 'ungrateful inconsiderate little pig' is no where near as bad as I have heard other parents call their kids to their faces.

Well? When you take the road to being labeled a celebrity and make your money off it. Are you entitled to control what the public should know? Especially when you are portraying an image? It seems to me when you want to reap the rewards of the good; the bad is fair game.......
To paraphrase Homer Simpson-
"If celebrities didn't want us pawing through their garbage and airing their dirty laundry they shouldn't have tried to express themselves creatively."

Every parent says that.

I doubt every parent patting themselves on the back here would enjoy having their entire ability as one judged on one isolated moment without context or chance for redemption.

Don't bother responding to that, I know that to hear you all tell it you've never made any mistake in rearing your children, that you're all paragons of patience and can heap scorn on 'less deserving' parents based on single moments on voicemail.

I've never called my children names like that. Ever. I've never involved my children in whatever conflict was going on with my ex-wife.

It wasn't that hard to do right. Maybe you're just weak.

It doesn't matter what she did.

Fact remains; you don't talk to your kids like that and you don't talk crap about your ex-spouse to your kids.

Heh what, sure you do. Everybody does.

You have never been shouted at, or berated by your parents? You have never shouted at or berated your kids?

When a marriage breaks up it is normal behvouir to use the kids as pawns in your nasty little games, lots of people do it. Yes it's not nice, but it does happen.

So disturbed that you make sure that evern MORE people can see and hear about it?


As someone who was severely verbally abused, I for one think YOU and DK (RO) are definitely overreacting. Most people that have dealt with verbal abuse seem to attest to the fact that what he said wasn't all that bad (while still maintaining that it was wrong to do).

On to make a general query: I wonder how many parents are against hurting a kids feelings by calling them a name while hypocritically condoning swatting a kid on the ass or hand (which hurts their feelings), since it doesn't physically scar them making it perfectly okay and the only way to raise a child to be a fine upstanding adult.


Isnt that the purpose of this "forum" ?

Ok-so I guess since it could be worse, this makes it ok.

I'm against physical and verbal abuse of children. So far,I'm very lucky to have well-adjusted,well behaved and seemingly content children.

But-I make my own luck.

Again, making me 'ok' with it...didn't I say it was wrong? Hmm, yep-sure did.

This is super-weak. It might be stronger if I was the one advocating saint-like restraint, but even then it would be weak. I haven't had puppies so I can't criticize other peoples criticisms because I've never apparently been a child, known people with children, been involved with the raising of children, or even further have no ability to understand the human condition or any degree of empathy or understanding unless I've spent the requesite number of hours in the parent cockpit.

Sorry, no dice.



Well, yeah actually.
You might know a Surgeon too but that doesnt mean you can operate.
You might know a surgeon and have had been operated on, that again gives you know room to teach a class or even to indeed have an opinion on proper surgical technique.

You may have been a child but that doesnt qualify you as a parent, knowing parents doesnt qualify you either.

Your smug opinion of how it is so easy to raise kids and know how to do it with no experience ...yet so damned hard one cant be expected to control themselves is very contradictory.

Have your opinion...I am simply pointing out that it is meaningless, because no, you have no idea what you are talking about, your a spectator at best.

Isnt that the purpose of this "forum" ?

Ok-so I guess since it could be worse, this makes it ok.
nobody is saying it's okay, I think it was a rather crappy thing to do, but I think it's one of those things that sometimes happens when you speak before you think, and that him apologizing to his kid and possibly seeking out counseling is just about going to fix this (as well as it can be fixed, I mean really you shouldn't say things like that to anyone)



I'm against physical and verbal abuse of children.
me too. However, as you stated in the spanking thread, people draw that line of abuse at different points, you are okay with spanking right? and I am not. Maybe some people are okay with a mild amount of verbal assault, and you and I are not. It's their kids right? who are you to say how they treat them?


So far,I'm very lucky to have well-adjusted,well behaved and seemingly content children.
so far I'm very lucky to have highly intelligent and precocious children, luckily I have been able most times to think before I speak.

But-I make my own luck.
;)

What's wrong with him?

He's a Baldwin, for starters. ;)
You leave Stephen out of this!:mad:

You leave Stephen out of this!:mad:

Hey! The only movie he was ever good in...um...erm...well he was in Bio-dome..and i think half baked..not necessarily good though :upyours:

my ex husband called our kids WAY worse than that(which is why he is my ex) I am a Mum and I know that some kids can be self centered little pigs, if he had called her a twat or a fucking little bitch then maybe we could get real mad. I know that at times of stress we all say stuff that we come to regret the moment it is out of our mouths. I can be sanctimonious as say that I personally have never called my kids bad names, but let me tell you that I have felt like it at times. If we had the media interested in publishing stuff that we said to our family all the damn time, then maybe we all wouldn't look so great either.

That said, I have not actually HEARD him and so maybe the context is the thing, but kids are not all angels. My boyfriend has a friend who had a neighbours daughter say to him 'give me $500 or I will tell people that you touched me'...he told her where to go and she did just that, it cost him $7000to clear his name. She was 12.

Isnt that the purpose of this "forum" ?

Ok-so I guess since it could be worse, this makes it ok.

I'm against physical and verbal abuse of children. So far,I'm very lucky to have well-adjusted,well behaved and seemingly content children.

But-I make my own luck.

The two most perplexing things about this post to me are:

1) "forum"?

and

2) You actually think I am saying that his behavior is okay? really?



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p.s. Smunk said it best, which is quite often the case.

The two most perplexing things about this post to me are:

1) "forum"?

and

2) You actually think I am saying that his behavior is okay? really?



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p.s. Smunk said it best, which is quite often the case.

Damn...I think you and I are agreeing,but lately,you've been confusing the shit out of me.

I know you're doing it on purpose. :p


I'm not running on all cylinders again yet,so I deserve whatever slack is available. You bastard.

:D

yes, we agree on how wrong he was to talk to his kid that way

Every parent says that.

I doubt every parent patting themselves on the back here would enjoy having their entire ability as one judged on one isolated moment without context or chance for redemption.

Don't bother responding to that, I know that to hear you all tell it you've never made any mistake in rearing your children, that you're all paragons of patience and can heap scorn on 'less deserving' parents based on single moments on voicemail.

The extreme nature of the abuse being heaped on a little girl in that 'single moment on voicemail' is inexcusable. Full stop.

I've raised my voice in moments of anger and grumpiness. I've reacted disproportionately to my girls when they've been fighting, or not listening. I've done it, I'm not proud of it, and I discuss it with my kids after. I apologise, and I explain why it happened, and that it wasn't okay.

But not one of those moments can possibly compare to the bile this man spewed out towards his daughter. I have never called my children names in anger, and I don't care what the hell is going on in my life...and if I ever did, I would absolutely deserve similar condemnation.

The extreme nature of the abuse being heaped on a little girl in that 'single moment on voicemail' is inexcusable. Full stop.

I've raised my voice in moments of anger and grumpiness. I've reacted disproportionately to my girls when they've been fighting, or not listening. I've done it, I'm not proud of it, and I discuss it with my kids after. I apologise, and I explain why it happened, and that it wasn't okay.

But not one of those moments can possibly compare to the bile this man spewed out towards his daughter. I have never called my children names in anger, and I don't care what the hell is going on in my life...and if I ever did, I would absolutely deserve similar condemnation.

Hell-I've never even called YOU a pig, let alone one of my children. :p

Hey! The only movie he was ever good in...um...erm...well he was in Bio-dome..and i think half baked..not necessarily good though :upyours:
The Shawshank Redemption, The Usual Suspects, Born on the Fourth of July and Slapshot 2:Breaking the ice( :p )
:mp5:

Heh what, sure you do. Everybody does.
No not really. Then again it depends on definitions I guess.

You have never been shouted at, or berated by your parents?


Yes. Many MANY times in fact. One of the reasons I swore I would never do that to my children.

You have never shouted at or berated your kids?

I have never yelled at my kid. I have never called her names. I have lectured her and have sent her to her room.

When a marriage breaks up it is normal behvouir to use the kids as pawns in your nasty little games, lots of people do it. Yes it's not nice, but it does happen.
Yes. I lived it. I saw 2 divorces and was the "go between" on the second one. I heard crap no kid should ever hear.

People should look down on people who use their children to attack each other.

Hell-I've never even called YOU a pig, let alone one of my children. :p

Yes you have! Do you want me to dredge up the posts?

Ugh I know, I heard the whole thing on the radio last week. It was truly surreal to hear his voice saying those nasty things...and I do love 30 Rock, too. I bet his daughter is not only hurt, she's probably totally embarrassed that everybody knows the way her dad talks to her.

I dont know if a threads been done on this yet-I've been out of commision for a while and I'm just hearing about this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18233560/


I can see yelling at your kid,telling them you're angry or dissapointed-but this guy is a serious dick. He calls his 11 yr old daughter a pig?

It seems clear to me he is the one trying to use his daughter as a tool agianst his ex-wife. I've been mad at my kids before-and told them-but never called them a name. Its disgraceful behavior.

I could understand if he was speaking to his ex-wife in anger as one adult to another-but your own 11 yr old daughter ?

It's clear you don't have kids.

It's clear you don't have kids.

How is that clear? I have three.

Yes you have! Do you want me to dredge up the posts?

Ok-then I was joking and didnt mean it ! :p

Ok-then I was joking and didnt mean it ! :p

Tell it to my lawyer:p

Tell it to my lawyer:p

without a plaintiff, there is no case.

The extreme nature of the abuse being heaped on a little girl in that 'single moment on voicemail' is inexcusable. Full stop.

I've raised my voice in moments of anger and grumpiness. I've reacted disproportionately to my girls when they've been fighting, or not listening. I've done it, I'm not proud of it, and I discuss it with my kids after. I apologise, and I explain why it happened, and that it wasn't okay.

But not one of those moments can possibly compare to the bile this man spewed out towards his daughter. I have never called my children names in anger, and I don't care what the hell is going on in my life...and if I ever did, I would absolutely deserve similar condemnation.

Heh what a pig? A disrespectful manipulative pig. Umm yeah I can see why that is harsh.

People should look down on people who use their children to attack each other.


Ohh yes I fully agree.

Ditto. Any parents who attack one another through their children deserve only contempt.

without a plaintiff, there is no case.

Deja vu...

Well, yeah actually.
You might know a Surgeon too but that doesnt mean you can operate.
You might know a surgeon and have had been operated on, that again gives you know room to teach a class or even to indeed have an opinion on proper surgical technique.

You may have been a child but that doesnt qualify you as a parent, knowing parents doesnt qualify you either.

Your smug opinion of how it is so easy to raise kids and know how to do it with no experience ...yet so damned hard one cant be expected to control themselves is very contradictory.

Have your opinion...I am simply pointing out that it is meaningless, because no, you have no idea what you are talking about, your a spectator at best.
Absolutely ridiculous. You're the one telling people it's easy, champ. "You just don't do it, it's that simple." And you call me smug. You're not even thinking or reading the responses, just regurgitating the defensive parent stupidity. Sorry, 'pops,' this one doesn't hold water.

So many saints in this thread there has to be a lottery to get to see who gets to cast the first stone. I hope you all haven't strained yourself patting yourselves on the back...and I'm sure you'd all love to have your entire ability as a parent judged by an isolated moment without context. I'm sure you'd all come out smelling of fucking roses.

I'm not the smug one here.