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Apparently odds are only running 10:1 against Al Gore winning the Democratic nomination (http://specials.slate.com/futures/2008/democratic-presidential-nominee/) in 2008 - according to the serious betting crowd - even though he has indicated that he won't run.

I suppose he does have that "true king" aura about him after the 2000 election debacle, but still... it does seem a little unusual.

Al gore apparently has better odds winning the nomiantion when he is not running compared to edwards who is...

He developed a personality and a spine. Who would have thought?

He developed a personality and a spine. Who would have thought?

But somehow I don't think he'd look half as good as John Barrowman in a kilt...

He's gained a bit of weight

Al Gore ('http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/PhotoGallery/Amazonia/photos/Gianttoad(6000-34).jpg')

Apparently odds are only running 10:1 against Al Gore winning the Democratic nomination (http://specials.slate.com/futures/2008/democratic-presidential-nominee/) in 2008 - according to the serious betting crowd - even though he has indicated that he won't run.

I suppose he does have that "true king" aura about him after the 2000 election debacle, but still... it does seem a little unusual.

I hope he wins; of course, I also have to hope that he runs.
I then hope that he'll someday become President. With any luck, we'll finally have someone concerned about man-made climate change in charge of the USA.

He still hasn't officially announced yet. :(

Apparently odds are only running 10:1 against Al Gore winning the Democratic nomination (http://specials.slate.com/futures/2008/democratic-presidential-nominee/) in 2008 - according to the serious betting crowd - even though he has indicated that he won't run.

I suppose he does have that "true king" aura about him after the 2000 election debacle, but still... it does seem a little unusual.
I think that's because the impression is that while the nomination may not quite be his for the asking, he would certainly be able to get into the race, raise a shitload of money, and realign the power structure if he decided to run. Everyone's support right now is pretty soft. I don't know who he'd hurt most--my guess is Obama or Edwards, though I think Obama would be the natural choice for the VP slot if Gore got in.

He'll run. He can leave it as late as possible since he's already so well known. Fundraising is apparently no problem either as a lot of his old team from 2000 are just waiting for the word.

He'll run. He can leave it as late as possible since he's already so well known. Fundraising is apparently no problem either as a lot of his old team from 2000 are just waiting for the word.
Not to mention that there are internet geeks galore (who know exactly how involved he was in getting the internet going) who will give money online.

I think that's because the impression is that while the nomination may not quite be his for the asking, he would certainly be able to get into the race, raise a shitload of money, and realign the power structure if he decided to run. Everyone's support right now is pretty soft. I don't know who he'd hurt most--my guess is Obama or Edwards, though I think Obama would be the natural choice for the VP slot if Gore got in.

I'm still thinking America may not be that comfortable with a black man in the White House,even as VP. I think thats a very risky proposition for the Democratic Party. One they will think and re-think over and over.

I'm still thinking America may not be that comfortable with a black man in the White House,even as VP. I think thats a very risky proposition for the Democratic Party. One they will think and re-think over and over.

I'm no expert, but I don't think that the Dems get much of the southern racist vote anyways.
I think the only thing legitimately going against Obama is his lack of experience.
That's why I'd love to see a Gore/Obama ticket.

I'm still thinking America may not be that comfortable with a black man in the White House,even as VP. I think thats a very risky proposition for the Democratic Party. One they will think and re-think over and over.
I wish I could discount those fears completely, but I know human nature, and what a person says in a poll doesn't always translate into a vote in the ballot box. That said, Obama has what it takes, I think, to transcend the race issue. There's always a first time, after all.

Why do so many people have an obsession with him running? Anyone could have beaten Bush in 2000...except Gore. I'd take that as a hint of his winning potential.

Why do so many people have an obsession with him running? Anyone could have beaten Bush in 2000...except Gore. I'd take that as a hint of his winning potential.

But he did beat Bush.

But he did beat Bush.

That's a thread in itself that I've no doubt few people want to see again. We'll have to agree to disagree. ;)

Imagine if a charismatic candidate had come out of the Clinton administration. They'd have been a shoo-in.

If Gore didn't look so much like a cane toad, with the personality of a cigar store Indian...

Why do so many people have an obsession with him running? Anyone could have beaten Bush in 2000...except Gore. I'd take that as a hint of his winning potential.

Imagine if a charismatic candidate had come out of the Clinton administration. They'd have been a shoo-in.

That's a thread in itself that I've no doubt few people want to see again. We'll have to agree to disagree. ;)

Agree to disagree about what? In terms of popularity, which is what this thread is ostensibly about, Gore did beat Bush, and pretty easily. It took a bullshit purging of the Florida voting rolls just to make it close, and a Supreme Court that went against their own previous rhetoric for political gain to finish the job.

Agree to disagree about what? In terms of popularity, which is what this thread is ostensibly about, Gore did beat Bush, and pretty easily. It took a bullshit purging of the Florida voting rolls just to make it close, and a Supreme Court that went against their own previous rhetoric for political gain to finish the job.

The simple fact is that the vote should never have been so close in the first place as to have to worry about recounts and Supreme Court judgements.

I think that's because the impression is that while the nomination may not quite be his for the asking, he would certainly be able to get into the race, raise a shitload of money, and realign the power structure if he decided to run. Everyone's support right now is pretty soft. I don't know who he'd hurt most--my guess is Obama or Edwards, though I think Obama would be the natural choice for the VP slot if Gore got in.

Gore/Obama...

...my god, an option from one of the two major parties I could actually vote for instead of against.

Won't happen. :p

Frankly, I'm not sure Gore is just waiting for the last minute.

Although there are people pushing for him to run. (See, for example, http://www.algore.org/ and similar websites, and this article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/22/wgore22.xml), which cites Gore as having much more popular support now than when he last ran for president, and points out that everybody's putting everything together for an Al Gore run, whether he wants to or not.)

IMO, if he can take the primary away from Clinton and Obama (and Obama would seem to be the natural VP candidate now), he will slam-dunk the general election given the swing away from the Republicans and his near complete lack of dirt (he was recently nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize), but I'm not sure a man who won the presidential election but lost the presidency is up to running.

The worst that could be thrown at Gore before was the charge that he was boring, and nobody's going to say that now.

I'm still thinking America may not be that comfortable with a black man in the White House,even as VP. I think thats a very risky proposition for the Democratic Party. One they will think and re-think over and over.

People like you that make rascism an issue are the people that make it a problem. Even if you yourself are not rascist. Why would you say enough americans are rascist that it would decide an election. Obama has now tied with Hilary as the most popular democrat party candidate. They have 32% each. He is now first out of all candidates when it comes to electabiliy. 33% say they would defenetley vote for him compared to 32% for Guliani and 27% for hilary.

These numbers do not sound like the numbers of a rascist country.

I'm no expert, but I don't think that the Dems get much of the southern racist vote anyways.
I think the only thing legitimately going against Obama is his lack of experience.
That's why I'd love to see a Gore/Obama ticket.

Expierience does not count for much. Bush had expierience, he was governor, and look how he turnedout. Nixon had decades of expierience and look how he turned out.

Yes Obama will be in the senate for only 4 years when the election is on. This is only 2 years less then Kennedy. Obama was right in 2002 about Iraq.

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

Is that not what most of us are thinking now? That is from a speech in 2002. More expierienced candidates like Hilary and McCain made the serious error of voting for the war and have since backflipped. If these and other senators made the right decision we would not be in Iraq.

Expierience is no substituion for sound judgement. Obama does not have a lot of expeirience but in his 2 years in the senate he has gone on several international trips, taken a leadership role in the democrat party and campaigned around the country last november for fellow democrat candidates.

Spend a few minutes checking out www.barackobama.com He is speaking with vision and language that has not been seen in a long time. He has a plan to withdraw from Iraq while also doing everything he can to ensure Iraq becomes a success, which is more then can be said for the current President.

Obama is also determined to locate and destroy the thousands of poorly secured nuclear bombs that are lying around in Russia that could one day be used by terrorists.

He is right on healthcare.

He has the right policies. He has proven he has judgement. He is willing to work WITH the international community instead of against.

His lack of experience doesn't look so bad when you look at everything he has done in his 2 years in the senate and his plans for the future of the country.

I wish I could discount those fears completely, but I know human nature, and what a person says in a poll doesn't always translate into a vote in the ballot box. That said, Obama has what it takes, I think, to transcend the race issue. There's always a first time, after all.


I also think there are a great many people that dont take part in polls-or vote on a regular basis, that might get out to vote this time,if Obama was a candidate,to vote for his opponent.

Yeah-there is always a first time and we may be alive to see it.

People like you that make rascism an issue are the people that make it a problem. Even if you yourself are not rascist. Why would you say enough americans are rascist that it would decide an election. Obama has now tied with Hilary as the most popular democrat party candidate. They have 32% each. He is now first out of all candidates when it comes to electabiliy. 33% say they would defenetley vote for him compared to 32% for Guliani and 27% for hilary.

These numbers do not sound like the numbers of a rascist country.




People like me? Shut up.... Racism is a huge issue- lets not pretend it isnt just because of bullshit poll data.
There are a few more people in America than you are aware of. People that have never been polled. People that only step up when they feel its critical.

I also think there are a great many people that dont take part in polls-or vote on a regular basis, that might get out to vote this time,if Obama was a candidate,to vote for his opponent.

Yeah-there is always a first time and we may be alive to see it.

And what about the people, both black and white, who don't usually vote but will vote for Obama just for the fact that he is black.

It is the same deal with Kennedy. He was catholic and a lot of experts were saying it could cost him the election. In the end they estimated he got as many votes because of his faith as he lost because of it. And these days being catholic is a non issue. It certainly wouldn't lose/gain you votes to the degree it did in 1960.

I believe Obama will break even in relation to his race. There will be the people that vote against him for being black but i think that will be countered by the people that vote for him just because of his race.

I think like Kennedy's faith, Obama's race will even out his votes and in the end it will be the content of his character and not the color of his skin that decides the election.

The simple fact is that the vote should never have been so close in the first place as to have to worry about recounts and Supreme Court judgements.

of course, a rather significant number of people voted nader that year, believing there to be no significant difference between the two majors' candidates. then the losing side gained power and went fascist. things look a bit different now...

Frankly, most blacks vote Democratic already, and most rednecks vote Republican.

However, it's not so simple. When I visit y'all up north, I come up on a particularly ugly flavor of racism - ugly, because northern urban white folk don't think y'all got it and swear up and down the river that racism is a southern rural thing.

It's those that I would worry about. Frankly, I think Obama has a decent chance in a general election, provided he doesn't make any silly mistakes - but if he's VP under Gore first, then no damyankee cityboy racist-in-denial can hide from themselves behind the excuse of "inexperience" when they go to the polls.

Of course, he may lose his outsider charm at that point. Win some, lose some.

As for the other Democratic contenders... being a North Carolinian, Edwards seems OK to me, but I'd lay long odds against seeing a President Edwards sworn in in 2009, and I just can't be excited about Clinton. (Bush... Clinton... Bush again... Clinton again?)

I remember back in 2000 a religious Right person telling me that he was the Anti-Christ. I still laugh about it to this day.

of course, a rather significant number of people voted nader that year, believing there to be no significant difference between the two majors' candidates. then the losing side gained power and went fascist. things look a bit different now...

I voted for Nader but Gore had already won NY. Some of the people who voted for Nader that year weren't completely to blame.

I remember back in 2000 a religious Right person telling me that he was the Anti-Christ. I still laugh about it to this day.

Well... the internet IS the tool of the devil...

I don't like Al Gore. I mean, I did before 'an inconvenient truth' came out and I saw it, only to discover more than half of it was bullshit reminiscing about various episodes in his life - obviously free publicity for him. And didn't they discover his estate uses like 20 times the national average of power or something? hypocrite.
Ooh, and I just looked it up and found a whole bunch of other nasty stuff, such as him owning stock of oil companies which have been cited for ecological damage, and he owns a zinc mine on his land that pollutes the rivers that run through it.

Someone's giving odds on Gore's hypothetical participation in Miss World?

I voted for Nader but Gore had already won NY. Some of the people who voted for Nader that year weren't completely to blame.

true. hell, i voted* nader in wisconsin - we nearly made gore not win even worse.

*what can i say, i'm a shameful collaborationist of an anarchist