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OMG! Just heard on the radio.

Maybe this is a good time to
a) reminisce a great leader
b) throw a champaign fest to celebrate the end of a tiran.

Let everyone know your thoughts on the subject!

Who?

You don't know who Boris Yeltsin is?

You don't know who Boris Yeltsin is?

Yeltsin yes.

Jeltsin not so much.

Who gives a fuck?

You don't know who Boris Yeltsin is?

That's who the thread's about?

I'd like to be the first to say:
Who?
Source?

Boris Yeltsin
Wikipedia do? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Yeltsin)


*understands*
Always

This just in, Boris Yeltin's death has caused a tear in the space-time continuum.

Yeltsin? The drunk Russian guy? He was a true alcoholic and will be missed. I guess I'll have to buy a bottle of Zyr and drink to his memory. Not too many big drinkers rise to the level of a head of state.

Yet another one of the key people in breaking the Soviet Union is gone. He did the world a service.

Never heard of Yeltsin spelt with a 'j', although I accept that there's some ambiguity over many Russian names.

I'd like to be the first to say:
Who?
Source?

1. Former president of Russia (a.k.a. Yeltsin, Yeltzin, Jeltzin, whatever your own language states him as)
2. The Belgian national news. And hey, I know we're small, but we're not dumb. Please be nice :)

I’d like to be the first to say:
Who?
Source?

Boris Yeltsin
Wikipedia do? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Yeltsin)

News confirmed by the Kremlin.

It's on BBC now.

Rest in Peace, and not for slander, but I'm sure he would like a toast with vodka in his honor.

Boris Yeltsin
Wikipedia do? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Yeltsin)


A source on his demise?

Never heard of Yeltsin spelt with a 'j', although I accept that there's some ambiguity over many Russian names.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Jeltsin

Should've taken into consideration that most people here have English as a native tongue. Forgiveness :)

A source on his demise?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/04/23/russia.yeltsin.ap/index.html

A source on his demise?

Infobox there:
Born February 1, 1931
Died April 23, 2007

It's on BBC now.

Rest in Peace, and not for slander, but I'm sure he would like a toast with vodka in his honor.

No kidding. Must've been hard to be him. Still good he's not here anymore though. May he rest in a pool of Wodka. And indeedy, I'm breakin' the seals on the liquor cabinet! Who's with me!

Boris Yestlin was a terrible leader. The only thing he'll be remembered for is hastening the collapse of the USSR. He helped bring about poverty on a large scale in Russia while helping to line the pockets of a few Russian oligarchs. Millions of Russians died prematurely because of his friendship with the oligarchs while they raped Russia economically.

A source on his demise?
Here’s (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6584481.stm) the BBC’s breaking news story.

Currently the Kremlin is reporting Yeltsin dead. So no more confirmation than that.

But it's not that surprising; the guy drank heavily.

Infobox there:
Born February 1, 1931
Died April 23, 2007

If that's from Wiki, too bad. I don't use it since they dropped the n00b (http://www.thenoobcomic.com/). S'okay, there's links to real news sites in the thread now :fluffle:

On nooo! Did the american puppet that drove Russia in the filth just die? The Russian people must be struck by sadness. Or maybe they'll just throw a party. A believe in the latter.

You can bet Putin will probably arrange for a state funeral. He was Yeltsin's protege after all.

Yeltsin yes.

Jeltsin not so much.

Many European languages use the J instead of Y in transliterations from Cyrillic.

Many European languages use the J instead of Y in transliterations from Cyrillic.

Thanks for the back up :)

On nooo! Did the american puppet that drove Russia in the filth just die? The Russian people must be struck by sadness. Or maybe they'll just throw a party. A believe in the latter.

I'd concur if a huge Russian fest would burst out.

On nooo! Did the american puppet that drove Russia in the filth just die? The Russian people must be struck by sadness. Or maybe they'll just throw a party. A believe in the latter.

In Russia the vodka will flow like.....well, like vodka normally does there.

In Russia the vodka will flow like.....well, like vodka normally does there.

Maybe we should all just have a worldwide drink off to show our compassion with the Russian people!

You can bet Putin will probably arrange for a state funeral. He was Yeltsin's protege after all.

I'm really curious how the US will react.

Forgiven. :fluffle:

Ohh great, now I'm blushing :cool:

On nooo! Did the american puppet that drove Russia in the filth just die? The Russian people must be struck by sadness. Or maybe they'll just throw a party. A believe in the latter.

It was the transition from the state-centered behemoth that was the Soviet Union that drove the Russian people into poverty. Yeltsin inherited a country that, not long before he came to power, was primarily operating on slave labor, and military production. Gorbachev took steps to alleviate that problem, but he failed, and the total incompetence of the Soviet system impoverished the Russian people to begin with.

I approve of this and any other reason to drink.

To liquor store. Cabinet apeared empty. Back in five.

Yeltsin yes.

Jeltsin not so much.

Борис Николаевич Ельцин, yes.

"Yeltsin, or Jeltsin", no. :rolleyes:

If that's from Wiki, too bad. I don't use it since they dropped the n00b (http://www.thenoobcomic.com/). S'okay, there's links to real news sites in the thread now :fluffle:

...

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Jeltsin

Should've taken into consideration that most people here have English as a native tongue. Forgiveness :)

Forgiven. :fluffle:

Maybe we should all just have a worldwide drink off to show our compassion with the Russian people!

I approve of this and any other reason to drink.

As a Russian, I am proud and extremely happy to say these last words to Boris Yeltsin:

MAY YOU BURN IN HELL!

In all my hate,
Jester

Who gives a fuck?

Purveyors of vodka, that's who.

In fact, I really wonder if the Russian people were so unsatisfied with his policy.
Okay, he was a nutcase but I don't think it's easy to run a country that's already so politically and economically degraded from the start. The question is: what came first, the fact he was crazy, or the decay of Russia? Which led to which?

As a Russian, I am proud and extremely happy to say these last words to Boris Yeltsin:

MAY YOU BURN IN HELL!

In all my hate,
Jester


Okay, at least that convinced me of Russians not liking him :)

I wish I could stop a military coup with nothing but my overbearing presence. :(

You're nowhere near drunk enough. But you do have breasts, so that should balance out your military coup prevention abilities.

Ohh great, now I'm blushing :cool:

You should be.

I wish I could stop a military coup with nothing but my overbearing presence. :(

OMG! Just heard on the radio.

Maybe this is a good time to
a) reminisce a great leader
b) throw a champaign fest to celebrate the end of a tiran.

Let everyone know your thoughts on the subject!As a Russian, I say good riddance. That sleazy fat drunkard sold off the wealth of the Russian people to the lowest bidder and helped create a society with a catastrophic poverty rate and more billionaires then you can shake s stick at. He was one of the unprincipled bastards who dumped Russia out of the Soviet frying pan and into the neoliberal fire.

I spit on his bloated vodka-pickled corpse.

You're nowhere near drunk enough. But you do have breasts, so that should balance out your military coup prevention abilities.

Also more inclined to start one if she so wishes. *nods*

Purveyors of vodka, that's who.

I guess I'll just have to solidaristically increase my intake.

Also more inclined to start one if she so wishes. *nods*

This is also true.

I'm really curious how the US will react.

Yawns. Lot's of yawns.

Yawns. Lot's of yawns.

what, from you or from the US?

what, from you or from the US?

From the US. That's my prediction. Probably a send off message from Bush, maybe have Secretary Rice show up at his funeral, the perfunctory, ceremonial things.

what, from you or from the US?

Someone from the State Department might issue some sort of statement, but generally, the American public won't bat an eye-lid.

Someone from the State Department might issue some sort of statement, but generally, the American public won't bat an eye-lid.

That's kind of surprising. Of course I can't exactly know, but I always thought anti-communism was a subject in the US. So I figured an event like this would raise some kind of reaction.

That's kind of surprising. Of course I can't exactly know, but I always thought anti-communism was a subject in the US. So I figured an event like this would raise some kind of reaction.

Just wait until Castro is officially pronounced dead. Then you'll see some reactions from the American public.

Just wait until Castro is officially pronounced dead. Then you'll see some reactions from the American public.

:D

Did I mention that I spit on his bloated vodka-pickled corpse? Oh right, I think I did. Carry on then:)

Though I did not know him but have heard of him, May he rest in peace.

Did I mention that I spit on his bloated vodka-pickled corpse? Oh right, I think I did. Carry on then:)

:D

I think he's not just vodka-pickled, but spit-pickled as well. That'll make'm stink even harder.

Though I did not know him but have heard of him, May he rest in peace.

Never to rise again.

Jeltsin wasn't very good leader but he had few bright moments, like leading opposition to August Putsch then hard-line commies tried to get the control and dissolveing USSR peacefully.

Olmedreca;12573047']Jeltsin wasn't very good leader but he had few bright moments, like leading opposition to August Putsch then hard-line commies tried to get the control and dissolveing USSR peacefully.

Not to mention him standing on that tank during the attempted coup!

US DEFENCE SECRETARY ROBERT GATES
I extend my sympathies to his family and condolences to the Russian people.

No Americans at least will forget seeing him standing on the tank outside of the (Russian) "White House" resisting a coup attempt.

He received me in the Kremlin when I came here in 1992 and I think was an important figure in Russia's evolution toward democracy.

The US response.
That is from teh BBC. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6584785.stm)

...and making the vast majority of Russians more miserable and destitute then any military coup could have.

Never to rise again.BTW.. I didnt see your thread..
me bad..

Do you want me to ask the mods to lock mine?

As a Russian, I am proud and extremely happy to say these last words to Boris Yeltsin:

MAY YOU BURN IN HELL!

In all my hate,
Jester

Cheers!

BTW.. I didnt see your thread..
me bad..

Do you want me to ask the mods to lock mine?

Heey of course not :) see your thread (we hijacked it ^^)

wuv yoo!

Unfortunately, Russia then and Russia now don't seem much different. Although I'm no expert, I think Russia could have made the same transition to democracy as Eastern Europe did under his rule.

US DEFENCE SECRETARY ROBERT GATES
I extend my sympathies to his family and condolences to the Russian people.

No Americans at least will forget seeing him standing on the tank outside of the (Russian) "White House" resisting a coup attempt.

He received me in the Kremlin when I came here in 1992 and I think was an important figure in Russia's evolution toward democracy.
Will people remember him ordering the shelling of the Russian Parliament in the White House, I wonder? And Russia? Democracy?

...and making the vast majority of Russians more miserable and destitute then any military coup could have.

Yeah, then economy has gone down for decades it is definitely best to "stay on course" and continue opressing dissidents instead of trying some radical changes. Even quite many commies(like Gorbatchev) realized that it can not continue like that. Jeltsin fucked up post-Soviet Russia, that is true, but lets not forget that his starting position also sucked, even Baltic states which have been most succesful from former USSR republics faced serious problems during converting to capitalism.

Tell me, did you live in Russia either after or before Yeltsin's little yard sale?:rolleyes:
I do not think that the Soviet system was a very good way of running things in my country. The conditions created by the "Prehvatizatsia" though were far worse as far as the vast majority of the people who are still living with the consequences are concerned. That scumbag gave Democracy in Russia a bad name. Then came Putin :(
To excuse what that piece of shit did is like excusing Stalin's brutal repressions in the name of bolstering soviet industry and Lenin's destruction of soviet democracy in the name of "protecting the revolution."

But then I've never taken American armchair Bolsheviks and market triumphalists very seriously.

BTW, I completely understand your sympathy with the man who contributed to your own country's escape from the Russian empire. It's just that he is also responsible for less palatable things.

I live in Estonia. In 1946-1990 maps you will not see it because it was part of USSR. I don't deny that he fucked up post-soviet Russia, but I am really thankful for him for his part at defeating August Putsch and allowing republics of USSR(including Estonia) to get independence peacefully. Things could have gone much worse considering how brutal USSR was through its history.

edit: btw, i started writing this before your last reply appeared

Funny how the Bolsheviks were always more afraid of workers' control then capitalism. From Lenin to Gorbi.:(

Oh and I should say that though I am a Russian speaker, I am actually from Kiev Ukraine. Now there's a study of 'independence' doing fuck all for a country when its coupled with robber baron capitalism. Like it or not, but the industrial infrastructures of the 'soviet republics' were closely intertwined. Things got pretty wacky when the mine was on one side of a border and the refinery was on the other. That was the least of the problem too.

Well privatization went hard everythere. I know that in Estonia things were also quite corrupt, but now things have gone better here for some time.

Well bully for Estonia:mad:
:p