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Iraq Assessment

USMC leathernecks2
23-04-2007, 02:12
Retired GEN Barry McCaffrey recently returned from Iraq and provided his latest assessment of the situation (some may remember his report from his 2005 trip, for which we had a thread here). I don't have the full report, but here are some excerpts, by way of a friend of a friend in the milblogging community:

US Forces


The morale, fighting effectiveness, and confidence of U.S. combat forces continue to be simply awe-inspiring. In every sensing session and interaction - I probed for weakness and found courage, belief in the mission, enormous confidence in their sergeants and company grade officers, an understanding of the larger mission, a commitment to creating an effective Iraqi Army and Police, unabashed patriotism, and a sense of humor. All of these soldiers, NCOs and young officers were volunteers for combat. Many were on their second combat tour - several were on the third or fourth combat tour. Many had re-enlisted to stay with their unit on its return to a second Iraq deployment. Many planned to re-enlist regardless of how long the war went on.

Iraqi Army


The Iraqi Army is real, growing, and willing to fight. They now have lead action of a huge and rapidly expanding area and population. The battalion level formations are in many cases excellent - most are adequate. ... The recruiting now has gotten significant participation by all sectarian groups to include the Sunni. The Partnership Program with U.S. units will be the key to success with the Embedded Training Teams augmented and nurtured by a U.S. Maneuver Commander. This is simply a brilliant success story.

Iraqi Police


The Iraqi police are beginning to show marked improvement in capability since MG Joe Peterson took over the program. The National Police Commando Battalions are very capable - a few are simply superb and on par with the best U.S. SWAT units in terms of equipment, courage, and training. Their intelligence collection capability is better than ours in direct HUMINT. ... The police are heavily infiltrated by both the AIF and the Shia militia. They are widely distrusted by the Sunni population. They are incapable of confronting local armed groups. They inherited a culture of inaction, passivity, human rights abuses, and deep corruption. This will be a ten year project requiring patience, significant resources, and an international public face. This is a very, very tough challenge which is a prerequisite to the Iraqis winning the counter-insurgency struggle they will face in the coming decade. We absolutely can do this. But this police program is now inadequately resourced.

Iraqi political situation


The creation of an Iraqi government of national unity is a central requirement. We must help create a legitimate government for which the Iraqi security forces will fight and die. If we do not see the successful development of a pluralistic administration in the first 120 days of the emerging Jawad al-Maliki leadership - there will be significant chance of the country breaking apart in warring factions among the Sunnis and Shia - with a separatist Kurdish north embroiled in their own potential struggle with the Turks. ... There is total lack of trust among the families, the tribes, and the sectarian factions created by the 35 years of despotism and isolation of the criminal Saddam regime. This is a traumatized society with a malignant political culture. ...

However, in my view, the Iraqis are likely to successfully create a governing entity. The intelligence picture strongly portrays a population that wants a federal Iraq, wants a national Army, rejects the AIF as a political future for the nation, and is optimistic that their life can be better in the coming years. Unlike the Balkans—the Iraqis want this to work. The bombing of the Samarra Mosque brought the country to the edge of all-out war. However, the Iraqi Army did not crack, the moderates held, Sistani called for restraint, the Sunnis got a chill of fear seeing what could happen to them as a minority population, and the Coalition Forces suddenly were seen correctly as a vital force that could keep the population safe in the absence of Iraqi power. In addition, the Shia were reminded that Iran is a Persian power with goals that conflict with the Shia Arabs of southern and central Iraq.

Enemy Situation


The foreign jihadist fighters have been defeated as a strategic and operational threat to the creation of an Iraqi government. Aggressive small unit combat action by Coalition Forces combined with good intelligence - backed up by new Iraqi Security Forces is making an impact. The foreign fighters remain a serious tactical menace. However, they are a minor threat to the heavily armed and wary U.S. forces. They cannot successfully stop the Iraqi police and army recruitment.

U.S. State Department role


The U.S. Inter-Agency Support for our strategy in Iraq is grossly inadequate. A handful of brilliant, courageous, and dedicated Foreign Service Officers have held together a large, constantly changing, marginally qualified, inadequately experienced U.S. mission. ... U.S. consultants of the IRMO do not live and work with their Iraqi counterparts, are frequently absent on leave or home consultations, are often in-country for short tours of 90 days to six months, and are frequently gapped with no transfer of institutional knowledge. ...

The State Department actually cannot direct assignment of their officers to serve in Iraq. State frequently cannot staff essential assignments such as the new PRTs which have the potential to produce such huge impact in Iraq. The bottom line is that only the CIA and the U.S. Armed Forces are at war. This situation cries out for remedy.

Detainee treatment


Thanks to strong CENTCOM leadership and supervision at every level, our detainee policy has dramatically corrected the problems of the first year of the War on Terrorism. Detainee practices and policy in detention centers in both Iraq and Afghanistan that I have visited are firm, professional, humane, and well supervised. However, we may be in danger of over-correcting. The AIF are exploiting our overly restrictive procedures and are routinely defying the U.S. interrogators. It is widely believed that the US has a “14 day catch and release policy” and the AIF “suspect” will soon be back in action.

This is an overstatement of reality, however, we do have a problem. Many of the AIF detainees routinely accuse U.S. soldiers of abuse under the silliest factual situations knowing it will trigger an automatic investigation. In my view, we will need to move very rapidly to a policy of the Iraqis taking legal charge of the detainees in our Brigade Detention Centers--- with us serving a support not lead role. We may need to hire U.S. contractor law enforcement teams at U.S. tactical battalion level to support the function of “evidentiary packages” as well as accompanying prisoners to testify in court in Baghdad.
Political and economic assistance
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CENTCOM and the U.S. Mission are running out of the most significant leverage we have in Iraq - economic reconstruction dollars. Having spent $18 billion - we now have $1.6 billion of new funding left in the pipeline. Iraq cannot sustain the requisite economic recovery without serious U.S. support. The Allies are not going to help. They will not fulfill their pledges. Most of their pledges are loans not grants. ...

There is a rapidly growing animosity in our deployed military forces toward the U.S. media. We need to bridge this gap. Armies do not fight wars - countries fight wars. We need to continue talking to the American people through the press. They will be objective in reporting facts if we facilitate their information gathering mission.

Conclusions


The Iraqi political system is fragile but beginning to play a serious role in the debate over the big challenges facing the Iraqi state - oil, religion, territory, power, separatism, and revenge. The neighboring states have refrained from tipping Iraq into open civil war. The UN is cautiously thinking about re-entry and doing their job of helping consolidate peace. The Iraqis are going to hold Saddam and his senior leadership accountable for their murderous behavior over 35 years. The brave Brits continue to support us both politically and militarily. NATO is a possible modest support to our efforts.

There is no reason why the U.S. cannot achieve our objectives in Iraq. Our aim must be to create a viable federal state under the rule of law which does not: enslave its own people, threaten its neighbors, or produce weapons of mass destruction. This is a ten year task. We should be able to draw down most of our combat forces in 3-5 years. We have few alternatives to the current US strategy which is painfully but gradually succeeding. This is now a race against time. Do we have the political will, do we have the military power, will we spend the resources required to achieve our aims?

It was very encouraging for me to see the progress achieved in the past year. Thanks to the leadership and personal sacrifice of the hundreds of thousands of men and women of the CENTCOM team and the CIA – the American people are far safer today than we were in the 18 months following the initial intervention.





I personally think it's spot on. Thoughts?
THE LOST PLANET
23-04-2007, 02:22
Nice whitewash.

Although his report was mostly favorable (one wouldn't expect anything less from one such as he), a few choice quotes direct from his report that you left out follow.

“the population is in despair”

“life in many of the urban areas is now desperate.”
Neo Undelia
23-04-2007, 02:26
Three things:
I don't trust military men in general, and especially American officers. Their love for the military institution creates, in their minds, a justification for what they believe to be small lies. Most of the time, I don't think they're even aware that what they are doing is dishonest.

The foreign fighters and terrorists are supposedly being beaten, but what about the local insurgency?

The division in the region is a lot older that Saddam's regime, which, by the way, was neither more or less legitimate than any other stable government.
USMC leathernecks2
23-04-2007, 02:29
http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showthread.php?t=727

The full assessment is available here.
Dobbsworld
23-04-2007, 02:31
"Honey, everything's coming up roses and daffodils!
Everything's coming up sunshine and Santa Claus!
Everything's gonna be bright lights and lollipops!
Everything's coming up roses for me and for you!"

*sung just like Ethel Merman*
THE LOST PLANET
23-04-2007, 02:36
http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showthread.php?t=727

The full assessment is available here.
That's your source? Some war freak message board?

How about we try something a little more mainstream?

Like maybe the Washington Post. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/27/AR2007032701923.html)
Wanderjar
23-04-2007, 02:39
"Honey, everything's coming up roses and daffodils!
Everything's coming up sunshine and Santa Claus!
Everything's gonna be bright lights and lollipops!
Everything's coming up roses for me and for you!"

*sung just like Ethel Merman*

I don't think I, nor anyone else, could have put it any better. Period. Except it should have been as sung by: Edith Bunker*

(*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Bunker)
USMC leathernecks2
23-04-2007, 02:40
That's your source? Some war freak message board?

How about we try something a little more mainstream?

Like maybe the Washington Post. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/27/AR2007032701923.html)

That is not his assessment. That is someones opinion of his assessment.
Wanderjar
23-04-2007, 02:40
That's your source? Some war freak message board?

How about we try something a little more mainstream?

Like maybe the Washington Post. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/27/AR2007032701923.html)

Hey man, don't go around calling people "War Freaks". Thats disrespectful to my relatives who have fought in every American war, and to my friends who have died in Iraq. :mad:
Neo Undelia
23-04-2007, 02:43
Hey man, don't go around calling people "War Freaks". Thats disrespectful to my relatives who have fought in every American war, and to my friends who have died in Iraq. :mad:

No it isn't.
War freaks rarely fight in wars.
THE LOST PLANET
23-04-2007, 02:45
Hey man, don't go around calling people "War Freaks". Thats disrespectful to my relatives who have fought in every American war, and to my friends who have died in Iraq. :mad:You aren't the only person to have a family history of military service, climb off the cross.

And what else do you expect me to call an organization that calls itself "The Small Wars Council". Dissing it and it's obvious bent torwards 'military solutions' is in no way disrespectful to the men and women currently serving as it is in no way officially associated with any branch of the armed service.
The Nazz
23-04-2007, 02:46
That is not his assessment. That is someones opinion of his assessment.

Actually, it's a pretty fucking cogent summation of his assessment. You need to learn the difference between opinion and reporting.
Wanderjar
23-04-2007, 02:46
No it isn't.
War freaks rarely fight in wars.

I guess I should explain. Friends of mine, including myself and my relatives, have been called "War Freaks" before due to our Military Service (and in my case my desire for service in the Marine Corps). That statement struck a raw chord. My bad. :(
Neo Undelia
23-04-2007, 02:48
I guess I should explain. Friends of mine, including myself and my relatives, have been called "War Freaks" before due to our Military Service (and in my case my desire for service in the Marine Corps). That statement struck a raw chord. My bad. :(

Those people calling you names are idiots.
One can not fault the ignorant or drafted for serving their country.
USMC leathernecks2
23-04-2007, 02:51
Actually, it's a pretty fucking cogent summation of his assessment. You need to learn the difference between opinion and reporting.

Reporting would be giving the entire report as he made it. Anything else and you are going to, intentional or not, let your bias get in the way.
Bodies Without Organs
23-04-2007, 02:54
Reporting would be giving the entire report as he made it. Anything else and you are going to, intentional or not, let your bias get in the way.

In other words your biases got in the way in the very first post, yes?
THE LOST PLANET
23-04-2007, 02:54
Reporting would be giving the entire report as he made it. Anything else and you are going to, intentional or not, let your bias get in the way.A link to his entire report is right there below his picture. Or didn't you even bother to check?
Imperial isa
23-04-2007, 02:57
I guess I should explain. Friends of mine, including myself and my relatives, have been called "War Freaks" before due to our Military Service (and in my case my desire for service in the Marine Corps). That statement struck a raw chord. My bad. :(

you get in i get to punch my half brother in the face for me
USMC leathernecks2
23-04-2007, 02:57
A link to his entire report is right there below his picture. Or didn't you even bother to check?

Didn't see it.
USMC leathernecks2
23-04-2007, 02:59
In other words your biases got in the way in the very first post, yes?

I posted exactly what my friend gave me and I assumed that it was the majority of the report. Then I found the whole report and my assumptions were pretty much on target.
Cannot think of a name
23-04-2007, 03:00
Reporting would be giving the entire report as he made it. Anything else and you are going to, intentional or not, let your bias get in the way.

I was wondering how long the press would have to be lazy lapdogs before people actually started to think that 'reporting' is just passing along press releases...
Wanderjar
23-04-2007, 03:01
you get in i get to punch my half brother in the face for me

You ever need help with anything my man, I'd give it to you :)
USMC leathernecks2
23-04-2007, 03:02
I was wondering how long the press would have to be lazy lapdogs before people actually started to think that 'reporting' is just passing along press releases...

Who said that? This report is not a press release. If you are reporting on a robbery would it not be preferable to have a complete video of the incident and let the viewer see what happened with their own eyes?
The Nazz
23-04-2007, 03:07
Who said that? This report is not a press release. If you are reporting on a robbery would it not be preferable to have a complete video of the incident and let the viewer see what happened with their own eyes?

Except that's not what you have here either. You have a report by a General, a man with a political agenda, who was sent on a political mission. But for you, that's supposed to be unquestioned, apparently.
THE LOST PLANET
23-04-2007, 03:08
I posted exactly what my friend gave me and I assumed that it was the majority of the report. Then I found the whole report and my assumptions were pretty much on target.

Just minus the parts about Us forces being in "strategic peril", the Iraqi government being "despised" by the Sunnis, being seen as "untrustworthy and incompetent" by the Kurds, and now enjoying "little credibility among the Shia populations from which it emerged." or that "no Iraqi government official, coalition soldier, diplomat, reporter, foreign NGO [nongovernmental organization], nor contractor can walk the streets of Baghdad, nor Mosul, nor Kirkuk, nor Basra, nor Tikrit, nor Najaf, nor Ramadi, without heavily armed protection.". To name only a few of the excerpts your version completely ignores.
Imperial isa
23-04-2007, 03:08
You ever need help with anything my man, I'd give it to you :)

to think on it for your safety best not get you to do that for me
what with him been at the site of towers after 9/11 and tours of Iraq
Zarakon
23-04-2007, 03:13
The military is not a reliable source on it's own military endeavors.
USMC leathernecks2
23-04-2007, 03:13
Except that's not what you have here either. You have a report by a General, a man with a political agenda, who was sent on a political mission. But for you, that's supposed to be unquestioned, apparently.

Are you dumb? We are not discussing the credibility of the report. We are discussing whether someones write up of a report is the same thing as the report. Reporting on a report is about the dumbest thing I have heard.
THE LOST PLANET
23-04-2007, 03:15
Except that's not what you have here either. You have a report by a General, a man with a political agenda, who was sent on a political mission. But for you, that's supposed to be unquestioned, apparently.The actual report is suprisingly straightforward. Although McCaffrey tries to show optimism, he doesn't flinch from reporting on the obvious failures and continuing problems.

It only paints the rosey picture USMC sees if you completely ignore large sections of it.
The Nazz
23-04-2007, 03:21
Are you dumb? We are not discussing the credibility of the report. We are discussing whether someones write up of a report is the same thing as the report. Reporting on a report is about the dumbest thing I have heard.

So why aren't we talking about the credibility of the report? You're acting like it's unchallengeable--nothing is unchallengeable, no matter how hard you want to believe it. Maybe when you realize that, you'll grow as a person.
The Nazz
23-04-2007, 03:23
The actual report is suprisingly straightforward. Although McCaffrey tries to show optimism, he doesn't flinch from reporting on the obvious failures and continuing problems.

It only paints the rosey picture USMC sees if you completely ignore large sections of it.I understand that. USMC doesn't seem to.
USMC leathernecks2
23-04-2007, 03:28
I understand that. USMC doesn't seem to.

I haven't even commented on the content of the report besides that i agree with it. Where do you get that I don't understand that?
USMC leathernecks2
23-04-2007, 03:38
Probably because you posted this...The above leads one to believe you actually read the entire report. A logical conclusion given the actual content would be that you chose to ignore large parts of it.

The parts that I originally had were a mix bag of positives and negatives as was the whole report.
THE LOST PLANET
23-04-2007, 03:38
I haven't even commented on the content of the report besides that i agree with it. Where do you get that I don't understand that?Probably because you posted this...I posted exactly what my friend gave me and I assumed that it was the majority of the report. Then I found the whole report and my assumptions were pretty much on target.The above leads one to believe you actually read the entire report. A logical conclusion given the actual content would be that you chose to ignore large parts of it.
Cookavich
23-04-2007, 03:40
*Sniff* *Sniff* Something smells like propaganda.
UpwardThrust
23-04-2007, 03:40
Just minus the parts about Us forces being in "strategic peril", the Iraqi government being "despised" by the Sunnis, being seen as "untrustworthy and incompetent" by the Kurds, and now enjoying "little credibility among the Shia populations from which it emerged." or that "no Iraqi government official, coalition soldier, diplomat, reporter, foreign NGO [nongovernmental organization], nor contractor can walk the streets of Baghdad, nor Mosul, nor Kirkuk, nor Basra, nor Tikrit, nor Najaf, nor Ramadi, without heavily armed protection.". To name only a few of the excerpts your version completely ignores.

Yeah ... so easy to forget thoes parts...
The Nazz
23-04-2007, 03:48
Probably because you posted this...The above leads one to believe you actually read the entire report. A logical conclusion given the actual content would be that you chose to ignore large parts of it.

That's got to sting. I think you win the thread.
THE LOST PLANET
23-04-2007, 03:48
The parts that I originally had were a mix bag of positives and negatives as was the whole report.But your OP was heavily slanted torwards the positive, completely ignoring most of the negative in McCaffrey's report. Even the conclusion left out his assesment that we don't have significant time to acomplish the goals outlined there.
THE LOST PLANET
23-04-2007, 03:54
That's got to sting. I think you win the thread.
Thanks, but I decline. I officially pass my crown to the first runner up...
Schwarzchild
23-04-2007, 08:05
I just posted in the FSO topic, Leathernecks. Allow me to make a modest observation.

It is a major sin in analysis to leave out, not read or fail to express all cogent sections of a report. I sent back many an analysis for sloppy thinking or incomplete reasoning. This is usually a "one time" only thing with me. My expectations were clear.

Learn to distinguish between fact and opinion and seldom is anything posted in it's entirety for the general public to read. Caffrey's report is no exception.

Dig deeper. It is likely General Caffrey's report has been gleaned selectively from a junior analyst's report, senior staff officers have the ability and frequently alter junior's reports.
Ceia
23-04-2007, 11:28
Let's keep it short and sweet (well, not so sweet. Bitter is a better word but "short and bitter" doesn't have the same catch to it that "short and sweet" has. Ramnbling again. Need to work on my sanity. Check)*

Iraq assessment: hopeless.