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Terry Pratchett

Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 01:37
Or both (http://www.neilgaiman.com/works/books/goodomens) ;)
Slythros
23-04-2007, 01:37
Is this man the best author alive? In my opinion yes. He is absolutley hilarious. He is also very intelligent, and some rather good philosphical and practical ideas are presented in his books. He is also a beast. And, in my book, Neil Gaiman takes the 2nd place slot. Terry Pratchett ftw!
Mikesburg
23-04-2007, 01:38
You're obviously a Good Omens fan then.

Other than Good Omens, I've read the Landover series, which I quite liked. Haven't gotten around to his heavier fantasy stuff yet.

I've read Gaimen's American Gods and Neverwhere, both of which were good.
Mikesburg
23-04-2007, 01:38
Or both (http://www.neilgaiman.com/works/books/goodomens) ;)

Beat me to it. (And stole the thread!)
Neesika
23-04-2007, 01:39
I don't know what it is...I love fantasy novels, but I just could never get into Prachett. I tried, again and again...and it just never clicked. Sorry...I blame the Discworld series.
Slythros
23-04-2007, 01:40
Or both (http://www.neilgaiman.com/works/books/goodomens) ;)

That was a bloody amazing book.
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 01:41
Beat me to it. (And stole the thread!)

FTW ;)
Ashmoria
23-04-2007, 01:42
terry pratchett, great writer or the greatest writer?

he's right up there anyway.
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 01:42
terry pratchett, great writer or the greatest writer?

he's right up there anyway.

Given the number of good writers who have died recently, he may be right :(
Slythros
23-04-2007, 01:42
You're obviously a Good Omens fan then.

Other than Good Omens, I've read the Landover series, which I quite liked. Haven't gotten around to his heavier fantasy stuff yet.

I've read Gaimen's American Gods and Neverwhere, both of which were good.

Ive read every Discworld book, but I cant find the others. Do you know where I could get them?
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 01:43
I would post some Pratchett quotes, but there are too many! He's so quotable! He has so many amazing quotes! So I'll just post one from my favorite book ever

"WHERE'S MY COW"

You should sig that *nods*
Slythros
23-04-2007, 01:45
I would post some Pratchett quotes, but there are too many! He's so quotable! He has so many amazing quotes! So I'll just post one from my favorite book ever

"WHERE'S MY COW"
Slythros
23-04-2007, 01:47
You should sig that *nods*

I might. You are time warping all over the place today.
Compulsive Depression
23-04-2007, 01:49
Good Omens is the Funniest Book Ever.

I think Lords and Ladies is probably my favourite Discworld novel, but trying to remember all of them... It ain't happening.
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 01:49
I don't know what it is...I love fantasy novels, but I just could never get into Prachett. I tried, again and again...and it just never clicked. Sorry...I blame the Discworld series.

Could be because he's the Douglas Adams of fantasy. I know a lot of fantasy fans who have no sense of humour about it. Not that, you know, you have no sense of humour, or . . . *backs away slowly*
Katganistan
23-04-2007, 01:50
Sam Vimes is my all-time favorite character. I love the Watch books particularly.

And DEATH is pretty cool, too.
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 01:50
I might. You are time warping all over the place today.

*surfs the sunlight on Discworld*
Infinite Revolution
23-04-2007, 01:50
he is awesome. i'm reading wyrd sisters at the moment. 'tis quality, so far one of the best of his that i've read.
Slythros
23-04-2007, 01:52
he is awesome. i'm reading wyrd sisters at the moment. 'tis quality, so far one of the best of his that i've read.

Indeed. I'm a City Watch fan myself. Thud!
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 01:52
Sam Vimes is my all-time favorite character. I love the Watch books particularly.

And DEATH is pretty cool, too.

Vimes is good, DEATH the coolest, imo, but I also like Lord Venetari, esp. in the one where Sam goes back in time . . .
Turquoise Days
23-04-2007, 01:52
Pratchett is just excellent. Even if his latest books have deviated from the more gentle parody of the earlier ones. Thud? Light?

I think, however, this has just made them all the more relevant and readable. Actually, Neesika - if you were reading the early ones, then maybe the later stuff would be more palatable?
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 01:53
Stop that you! Death sharpening his scythe! You might get hurt, and by hurt I mean Pwnd. Like a noob.

Nice sig *nods*
Slythros
23-04-2007, 01:53
Sam Vimes is my all-time favorite character. I love the Watch books particularly.

And DEATH is pretty cool, too.

Me too. question. Death vs. Vimes, who wins? I vote Vimes.
Deus Malum
23-04-2007, 01:53
Is this man the best author alive? In my opinion yes. He is absolutley hilarious. He is also very intelligent, and some rather good philosphical and practical ideas are presented in his books. He is also a beast. And, in my book, Neil Gaiman takes the 2nd place slot. Terry Pratchett ftw!

Best author alive? I think Gene Wolfe or George R. R. Martin truly take that particular epithet.
Bloody funniest author alive? Most certainly.
Slythros
23-04-2007, 01:55
*surfs the sunlight on Discworld*

Stop that you! Death sharpening his scythe! You might get hurt, and by hurt I mean Pwnd. Like a noob.
Deus Malum
23-04-2007, 01:55
Stop that you! Death sharpening his scythe! You might get hurt, and by hurt I mean Pwnd. Like a noob.

Death has long since progressed past the point where he needs to sharpen his scythe on sunlight.

However, the Death of Rats may still be making use of it, so use caution lest ye risk your pinky.
Imperial isa
23-04-2007, 01:59
did you bring you beer along check your weapons :D
Slythros
23-04-2007, 01:59
Death has long since progressed past the point where he needs to sharpen his scythe on sunlight.

However, the Death of Rats may still be making use of it, so use caution lest ye risk your pinky.

Creating the Death of Rats was one of Pratchetts moments of absolute bloody genius.
Deus Malum
23-04-2007, 02:02
Creating the Death of Rats was one of Pratchetts moments of absolute bloody genius.

It was, by far.

I wonder if the Death of Fleas is still hiding out somewhere on the Death of Rats.
Neo Undelia
23-04-2007, 02:04
When people ask me what I mean by intellectual masturbation, I use Pratchett as an example. Him and Berkeley Breathed. They both think they're so damn clever and funny, but everything they say has been said before better and less pompously.
Katganistan
23-04-2007, 02:06
Vimes is good, DEATH the coolest, imo, but I also like Lord Venetari, esp. in the one where Sam goes back in time . . .

Nightwatch. My favorite Vimes book of all. :)
Infinite Revolution
23-04-2007, 02:07
When people ask me what I mean by intellectual masturbation, I use Pratchett as an example. Him and Berkeley Breathed. They both think they're so damn clever and funny, but everything they say has been said before better and less pompously.

seems like you've missed half the humour then.
Deus Malum
23-04-2007, 02:08
who recalls the game and tv shows base on the books

I do, I do! Eric Idle did the voice for Rincewind. If they ever do a Discworld movie, he HAS to play the part.
Katganistan
23-04-2007, 02:09
Me too. question. Death vs. Vimes, who wins? I vote Vimes.

I voted for Vimes, but I think Vetinari might beat out both him and DEATH in the end. Something about age and treachery.....
Imperial isa
23-04-2007, 02:09
who recalls the game and tv shows base on the books
Imperial isa
23-04-2007, 02:11
Nightwatch. My favorite Vimes book of all. :)

that and the about four x
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_reading_order
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 02:11
seems like you've missed half the humour then.
Or gotten off on it . . .
Zarakon
23-04-2007, 02:13
Given the number of good writers who have died recently, he may be right :(

And guess what else? You know Robert Jordan? He's gonna die eventually.

You'll never know how the Wheel of Time ends.
Deus Malum
23-04-2007, 02:15
And guess what else? You know Robert Jordan? He's gonna die eventually.

You'll never know how the Wheel of Time ends.

Isn't that the point? It doesn't. It keeps going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going.

Not a Wheel of Time ref, but:

"The Wheel never stops turning."
"That only matters to the people on the rim."
Imperial isa
23-04-2007, 02:15
I do, I do! Eric Idle did the voice for Rincewind. If they ever do a Discworld movie, he HAS to play the part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0fd0s62Cv8
note how they say its a male but in the books its a female
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 02:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0fd0s62Cv8
note how they say its a male but in the books its a female

I believe that, just as in your own case, an expedition is being planned to determine the true gender of the Great A'tuin.
Zarakon
23-04-2007, 02:21
Isn't that the point? It doesn't. It keeps going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going.


ROBERT JORDAN. HELLO. I AM CALLED BILL...BILL...DOOR.

Also, in reference to the Wheel of Time, I'm not that far in it (Only first two books) but is the Red Ajah going to be blown to hell? Please say yes.
Slythros
23-04-2007, 02:21
I voted for Vimes, but I think Vetinari might beat out both him and DEATH in the end. Something about age and treachery.....

I voted Vimes too, but Vetinari is pretty bloody clever.
Imperial isa
23-04-2007, 02:23
I believe that, just as in your own case, an expedition is being planned to determine the true gender of the Great A'tuin.

which one do you believe
Deus Malum
23-04-2007, 02:25
ROBERT JORDAN. HELLO. I AM CALLED BILL...BILL...DOOR.

Also, in reference to the Wheel of Time, I'm not that far in it (Only first two books) but is the Red Ajah going to be blown to hell? Please say yes.

I honestly don't want to spoil it for you. I think you'll enjoy the outcome.
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 02:28
which one do you believe

I am agnostic on the issue, and await the results of the expedition.
Katganistan
23-04-2007, 02:28
I've read: (in no particular order)
The Last Hero
Mort
Reaper Man
Soul Music
Hogfather
Thief of Time
Moving Pictures
The Truth
The Amazing Maurice
Monstrous Regiment
Guards! Guards!
Men at Arms
Feet of Clay
Night Watch
Thud!
Equal Rites

I've heard: (also in no particular order)
Sourcery
Wyrd Sisters
Lords and Ladies
Deus Malum
23-04-2007, 02:30
I've read: (in no particular order)
The Last Hero
Mort
Reaper Man
Soul Music
Hogfather
Thief of Time
Moving Pictures
The Truth
The Amazing Maurice
Monstrous Regiment
Guards! Guards!
Men at Arms
Feet of Clay
Night Watch
Thud!
Equal Rites

I've heard: (also in no particular order)
Sourcery
Wyrd Sisters
Lords and Ladies

You're missing Pyramids. I recommend it. You also don't seem to have read The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic. Both essential books.
Imperial isa
23-04-2007, 02:31
I am agnostic on the issue, and await the results of the expedition.
same
I've read: (in no particular order)
The Last Hero
Mort
Reaper Man
Soul Music
Hogfather
Thief of Time
Moving Pictures
The Truth
The Amazing Maurice
Monstrous Regiment
Guards! Guards!
Men at Arms
Feet of Clay
Night Watch
Thud!
Equal Rites

I've heard: (also in no particular order)
Sourcery
Wyrd Sisters
Lords and Ladies

some i have read and listen too are on your list
Infinite Revolution
23-04-2007, 02:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0fd0s62Cv8
note how they say its a male but in the books its a female

cool, i never seen that before. i think whoever did the voice for Death and the effects in that were much more fitting than in the recent hogfather series.
NERVUN
23-04-2007, 02:41
Best author... that might be streching it. He is, however, the best satirest by far.

Everytime I re-read Jingo I'm just left wondering how the hell he got everything so right.

Oh, and my fav is Small Gods, showing that you don't have to be holy to be good OR bad (but you can be).
Neo Undelia
23-04-2007, 02:46
Everytime I re-read Jingo I'm just left wondering how the hell he got everything so right.

Could it be because the subject simply isn't that hard to grasp?
Gataway_Driver
23-04-2007, 03:09
A very good writer

Not as much of a fan as I used to be. I see him as a sort of intro into fantasy writing. Men at Arms and Moving Pictures would be my favourites, Going Postal would have to get a mention too
Saxnot
23-04-2007, 03:28
Could it be because the subject simply isn't that hard to grasp?

He writes comedic fiction, ffs! Don't expect him to be a serious philosopher.:p
He makes good points to a fairly young audience in an enjoyable way. That's all there is to it. Just go with it, it's meant to be fun! :D
Infinite Revolution
23-04-2007, 03:51
You're missing Pyramids. I recommend it. You also don't seem to have read The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic. Both essential books.

i second the pyramids recommendation. also any Vimes fan has to read the fifth elephant, that's a classic. not his funniest, but a jolly good read nontheless.
Saxnot
23-04-2007, 03:52
i second the pyramids recommendation. also any Vimes fan has to read the fifth elephant, that's a classic. not his funniest, but a jolly good read nontheless.

Thirded and seconded respectively. Two of my favourites, right there... another deseving special mention.... hmm... Witches Abroad, if I only had to pick one. I love it so... :D
Dontgonearthere
23-04-2007, 03:58
Vetinari ALWAYS wins.
If Death and Vimes fought, it would be because Vetinari wanted them to. The outcome would no doubt be pre-determined by Vetinari some years beforehand, via careful manipulation of both parties.
However, I generally get the impression that Vetinari likes Vimes, otherwise Vimes wouldnt be alive. So I imagine Vimes would thus gain some advantage over Death.
Katganistan
23-04-2007, 04:55
i second the pyramids recommendation. also any Vimes fan has to read the fifth elephant, that's a classic. not his funniest, but a jolly good read nontheless.

ok ok
I talked to Carterway. He has both and is willing to lend 'em. :)
Infinite Revolution
23-04-2007, 04:59
ok ok
I talked to Carterway. He has both and is willing to lend 'em. :)

excellent, enjoy :)
Domici
23-04-2007, 05:19
Ive read every Discworld book, but I cant find the others. Do you know where I could get them?

Amazon.com? Amazon.co.uk?

Amazon UK was where I ordered the Nanny Ogg cookbook. There actually are some quite nice recipes in there. I made the chocolate surprise with special sauce with delicious results. I tried it again, but substituted yohimbe for the cocoa. It was slightly less delicious, but more closely approximated the magical results from when it appeared in Maskerade.
Domici
23-04-2007, 05:21
Vetinari ALWAYS wins.
If Death and Vimes fought, it would be because Vetinari wanted them to. The outcome would no doubt be pre-determined by Vetinari some years beforehand, via careful manipulation of both parties.
However, I generally get the impression that Vetinari likes Vimes, otherwise Vimes wouldnt be alive. So I imagine Vimes would thus gain some advantage over Death.

Drumknott: You know sir, I think if Vimes didn't exist, you would have to create him.
Vetinari: Funny. I rather thought I did.

The quote may not be exact, but it appears at the end of Feat of Clay.
Deus Malum
23-04-2007, 05:22
ok ok
I talked to Carterway. He has both and is willing to lend 'em. :)

oooh, don't forget to borrow The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic. Basically the first two Rincewind books, and iirc the first two Discworld books.
NERVUN
23-04-2007, 05:28
Could it be because the subject simply isn't that hard to grasp?
The thing is though, Jingo was published a few years before the current mess with Iraq and reads (more or less) as a road map to it.
Imperial isa
23-04-2007, 05:30
The thing is though, Jingo was published a few years before the current mess with Iraq and reads (more or less) as a road map to it.

there are a lot of books like that out there
NERVUN
23-04-2007, 05:30
Vetinari ALWAYS wins.
If Death and Vimes fought, it would be because Vetinari wanted them to. The outcome would no doubt be pre-determined by Vetinari some years beforehand, via careful manipulation of both parties.
However, I generally get the impression that Vetinari likes Vimes, otherwise Vimes wouldnt be alive. So I imagine Vimes would thus gain some advantage over Death.
You forget Rule 1 of the Discworld, Death wins. He will always win, eventually.*






*With the possible exception of Rincewind.
Deus Malum
23-04-2007, 05:38
You forget Rule 1 of the Discworld, Death wins. He will always win, eventually.*






*With the possible exception of Rincewind.

His life timer has a definite amount of sand, a definite collection point, and a definite origination point. The problem is that the path from A to B isn't exactly...shall we say...continuous?
Neo Undelia
23-04-2007, 05:42
The thing is though, Jingo was published a few years before the current mess with Iraq and reads (more or less) as a road map to it.
That has more to do with Iraq being the archetype for unnecessary war than any special insight on Pratchett's part.
I V Stalin
23-04-2007, 09:01
Oh, and my fav is Small Gods, showing that you don't have to be holy to be good OR bad (but you can be).
Same here. It's the funniest and cleverest, although reading it for the first time as a 13 year old, you don't get quite a lot of the jokes.

I'm also impressed by how Pratchett managed to write a book containing very few recurring characters (and then only briefly) and make it so engaging. He was really hitting his stride around then (I think SG was published just after Guards! Guards!, Reaper Man and Witches Abroad), but Small Gods was the more impressive because he created entirely new characters (and a new country...I don't think Omnia had been mentioned before).
Sandkasten
23-04-2007, 09:15
*With the possible exception of Rincewind.

Everyone needs a hobby.
Egg and Chips II
23-04-2007, 09:34
I've read every disc world book
Watched the animated films
Completed all three games (Although I had to use the walk through on the first)
Watched The Hogfather

Anything else I've missed?
I V Stalin
23-04-2007, 09:36
I've read every disc world book
Watched the animated films
Completed all three games (Although I had to use the walk through on the first)
Watched The Hogfather

Anything else I've missed?
Yep.

You've never been there. :p
Egg and Chips II
23-04-2007, 09:42
Yep.

You've never been there. :p

EGAD! You're right!

I shall have to take a pilgrimage there before anything I can speak of it again!
Imperial isa
23-04-2007, 09:44
EGAD! You're right!

I shall have to take a pilgrimage there before anything I can speak of it again!

good luck with that
Extreme Ironing
23-04-2007, 09:55
I love Pratchett, though recently have been neglecting him and reading Robert Rankin.
Otagia
23-04-2007, 09:58
I'm personally a fan of Lords and Ladies, especially the opening (Sadly, I know EXACTLY what part was used to make my town...).
Altcorum
23-04-2007, 10:01
This is all fine, but what if it's Granny Weatherwax vs Vetinari?
The Infinite Dunes
23-04-2007, 10:05
I don't know what it is...I love fantasy novels, but I just could never get into Prachett. I tried, again and again...and it just never clicked. Sorry...I blame the Discworld series.You've ben reading the books with the wrong mindset.

Terry Pratchett is satire first and foremost. The fantasy setting is merely that - a setting.

Saying Pratchett writes fantasy is like saying Le Guin or someone writes erotica.

For instance in Ankh-Morpork there is an area called the Isle of Gods. It's basically where all the temples are located and where a coin or two will buy support of any god going, well, priest really. This is a subtle reference to the Isle of Dogs in London. A very rich financial part of town, where essentially money is worshipped - a parody of the capitalist nature of modern society, especially with many Cathedrals now charging people to gain entrance. A lot of the humour is quite subtle and hard to miss.
Newer Burmecia
23-04-2007, 10:37
I have to say I am a fan of the Discworld series - pure genius.
NERVUN
23-04-2007, 10:50
This is all fine, but what if it's Granny Weatherwax vs Vetinari?
I feel sorry for the City Watch and Unseen University who are going to get caught in the fall out of that.
Peepelonia
23-04-2007, 11:33
terry pratchett, great writer or the greatest writer?

he's right up there anyway.

Great yes, not greatest. Try some Joe R Landsdale on for size.
Harlesburg
23-04-2007, 11:35
Is this man the best author alive? In my opinion yes. He is absolutley hilarious. He is also very intelligent, and some rather good philosphical and practical ideas are presented in his books. He is also a beast. And, in my book, Neil Gaiman takes the 2nd place slot. Terry Pratchett ftw!
I am going to say Clive Cussler.
Domici
23-04-2007, 12:40
You've ben reading the books with the wrong mindset.

Terry Pratchett is satire first and foremost. The fantasy setting is merely that - a setting.

Saying Pratchett writes fantasy is like saying Le Guin or someone writes erotica.

For instance in Ankh-Morpork there is an area called the Isle of Gods. It's basically where all the temples are located and where a coin or two will buy support of any god going, well, priest really. This is a subtle reference to the Isle of Dogs in London. A very rich financial part of town, where essentially money is worshipped - a parody of the capitalist nature of modern society, especially with many Cathedrals now charging people to gain entrance. A lot of the humour is quite subtle and hard to miss.

Thankfully a lot of it can be found here (http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/index.html). However, they don't seem to update anymore. They still haven't added my note "what I did on my holidays," is a reference to Journey to the West.
Domici
23-04-2007, 12:54
I love Pratchett, though recently have been neglecting him and reading Robert Rankin.

I feel the same way about how I've been reading the Dresden Files. But then again, can you really be said to be neglecting an author when you've read every book he's ever written multiple times?
Khablan
23-04-2007, 13:11
Regarding the Landover series, that was by Terry Brooks, not Terry Pratchett. He's another good author, but better in his later books than his very early ones.

As for Granny Weatherwax, I'm a huge fan, and if pitted against Vetinari, I do believe it would be a draw.
Deus Malum
23-04-2007, 13:33
Regarding the Landover series, that was by Terry Brooks, not Terry Pratchett. He's another good author, but better in his later books than his very early ones.

As for Granny Weatherwax, I'm a huge fan, and if pitted against Vetinari, I do believe it would be a draw.

I hated Shannara. Pile of Tolkien-esque drivel.
Flatus Minor
23-04-2007, 13:52
I hated Shannara. Pile of Tolkien-esque drivel.

It was worse than that, I'm surprised they weren't done for plagiarism; the plot lines and devices were almost identical.
Chumblywumbly
23-04-2007, 14:05
As for Granny Weatherwax, I’m a huge fan, and if pitted against Vetinari, I do believe it would be a draw.
The.....Other One versus Lord Vetinari?

I think Esme would have a few choice words for the Patrician. And probably call him “young man”.
Extreme Ironing
23-04-2007, 14:42
I feel the same way about how I've been reading the Dresden Files. But then again, can you really be said to be neglecting an author when you've read every book he's ever written multiple times?

Well, I haven't read all his books, I'm just slowly working my way through them and having a break at the moment with a different author. Also reading John Irving's 'The world according to Garp', which is quite good also.
Ponderonit
23-04-2007, 15:00
How has a thread on Terry Pratchett reached this point without mention of the Nic Mac Fleegle? Shame on ye, Bigjobs!
Ilaer
23-04-2007, 15:09
How has a thread on Terry Pratchett reached this point without mention of the Nic Mac Fleegle? Shame on ye, Bigjobs!

The same way that you forgot that it's 'Nac Mac Feegle'.
Curious Inquiry
23-04-2007, 15:38
How has a thread on Terry Pratchett reached this point without mention of the Nic Mac Fleegle? Shame on ye, Bigjobs!

Pratchett catches a lurker!
Grave_n_idle
23-04-2007, 18:14
Is this man the best author alive? In my opinion yes. He is absolutley hilarious. He is also very intelligent, and some rather good philosphical and practical ideas are presented in his books. He is also a beast. And, in my book, Neil Gaiman takes the 2nd place slot. Terry Pratchett ftw!

In my book (ha, funny) Gaiman is better than Pratchett. And, while Pratchett is clever and funny, neither he nor Gaiman (heretical though it is to speak so of the creator of the Sandman series) are 'the best author alive'.

If I had to pick an author for 'best alive' status, it would have to be someone who visibly loves their art, is superlative skilled with the tools of his/her trade, and writes works that change the way people think.

Thus: the 'best author alive' is Sheri S Tepper.
Slythros
23-04-2007, 20:23
When people ask me what I mean by intellectual masturbation, I use Pratchett as an example. Him and Berkeley Breathed. They both think they're so damn clever and funny, but everything they say has been said before better and less pompously.

If by "intellectual masturbation" you mean "one of the most enjoyable things you can do by yourself" then yes, reading Terry Pratchett is intellectual masturbation.
Dontgonearthere
23-04-2007, 21:10
You forget Rule 1 of the Discworld, Death wins. He will always win, eventually.*






*With the possible exception of Rincewind.

This is Vetinari though, remember? He would die even if he was killed. I bet Da Quirm made a cloning machine for him.
Gravlen
23-04-2007, 23:39
Terry Pratchett is my God of writing that sometimes gets accused of being litterature!
Dontgonearthere
24-04-2007, 00:13
Terry Pratchett is my God of writing that sometimes gets accused of being litterature!

Oh lawd, I watched that interview on Youtube :P
Ponderonit
24-04-2007, 00:21
The same way that you forgot that it's 'Nac Mac Feegle'.

*hangs head in shame*

Don't tell Herself, will yer? It's because I was all excited about posting in General with the big kids.

Anyway, I'm with The Infinite Dunes. Terry Pratchett is satire first, fantasy next. As for "best writer", he's the best at what he does -- which doesn't have to be philosophy or searing analysis of the human condition or any such. I think he's just a guy brimming over with ideas and, luckily for us, having fun writing them down.

As for the poll, my money's on Granny Weatherwax, and the fact that she's managed to keep her name off the list shows you just how sneakily good she is. Headology wins again!
Gravlen
24-04-2007, 18:15
Oh lawd, I watched that interview on Youtube :P

There was an interwiev on YouTube? :eek: :confused:



I have no idea what you're talking about...
Rhursbourg
24-04-2007, 18:35
Great Writer but i prefer Tom Holt
Dontgonearthere
24-04-2007, 18:38
There was an interwiev on YouTube? :eek: :confused:



I have no idea what you're talking about...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hs2BqxjVBCc
>_>

Theres also a rather good live action presentation of Hogfather.
Nova Boozia
24-04-2007, 18:39
When people ask me what I mean by intellectual masturbation, I use Pratchett as an example. Him and Berkeley Breathed. They both think they're so damn clever and funny, but everything they say has been said before better and less pompously.

"Don't knock masturbation. It's sex with someone I love".

But anyway, can I get me a definition of "better"? Maybe all the major philosophical, scientific, and intellectual points have been said more eloquently by more learned men, but I bet they never made you laugh?

And "pompous"? Ever heard of justifying yourself? Wiktionary defines "pompous" "Affectedly grand, solemn or self-important." His books are hilarious, not solemn. His points are often made through distinctly un-grand analogies. And he's hardly self-important.


Okay, enough of the heretic. I'm for Vetinari, hands down, but I think the scenario itself is rather contrived. Death has never fought a human, with the apparently sole exception of Mr.Teatime, who is a far cry from the Commander.

Granny and Vetinari... that's something I'd be keen to see. My guess is Granny gets what she was after, but it ultimeatly serves Vetinari's elaborate scheme. He is, nevertheless, somewhat impressed.

But it's the bit in the middle that would be interesting, and both Sam and Death would likely become involved. And the wizards...
The Infinite Dunes
24-04-2007, 18:51
"Don't knock masturbation. It's sex with someone I love".

But anyway, can I get me a definition of "better"? Maybe all the major philosophical, scientific, and intellectual points have been said more eloquently by more learned men, but I bet they never made you laugh?

And "pompous"? Ever heard of justifying yourself? Wiktionary defines "pompous" "Affectedly grand, solemn or self-important." His books are hilarious, not solemn. His points are often made through distinctly un-grand analogies. And he's hardly self-important.


Okay, enough of the heretic. I'm for Vetinari, hands down, but I think the scenario itself is rather contrived. Death has never fought a human, with the apparently sole exception of Mr.Teatime, who is a far cry from the Commander.

Granny and Vetinari... that's something I'd be keen to see. My guess is Granny gets what she was after, but it ultimeatly serves Vetinari's elaborate scheme. He is, nevertheless, somewhat impressed.

But it's the bit in the middle that would be interesting, and both Sam and Death would likely become involved. And the wizards...He fought Mort as I seem to recall.
Neesika
24-04-2007, 18:52
Could be because he's the Douglas Adams of fantasy. I know a lot of fantasy fans who have no sense of humour about it. Not that, you know, you have no sense of humour, or . . . *backs away slowly*

Well I'll admit I didn't try too hard...I picked up a few of his books here and there, and just didn't get into them. We'll see, maybe this summer I'll give it another go, 'in the right mindset'.
Morthy
24-04-2007, 18:54
When reading Terry Pratchett, I always look forward to the bits involving Death.

He rawks so much.
Entropic Creation
24-04-2007, 18:58
Mort was able to hold his own.

This little bit from the post office one has been bouncing around in my head now and then: (crudely paraphrased by a shoddy memory)
"He was raised by peas"
"Surely you mean 'on peas'"
"No, by peas. Hes has a tendency to turn towards the sun now and then but hes an alright chap".

Ive been trying to remember exactly what the turn of phrase was when he was attacked by that creature...

In any case, I love this series. Some of the jokes are beyond a lot of people, especially those that are not British, but funny nonetheless.
Turquoise Days
24-04-2007, 19:10
I would like to bring to the attention of the forum, the 'Science of Discworld' series. Excellent stuff.
[NS]Trilby63
24-04-2007, 19:22
I've read every disc world book
Watched the animated films
Completed all three games (Although I had to use the walk through on the first)
Watched The Hogfather

Anything else I've missed?

You don't play the Discworld mud?
Grape-eaters
24-04-2007, 19:50
I don't know if Pratchett is the greatest living author, but he is probably my favorite.

He's just ridiculous, and hilarious.

I'd have to say that my favorite Discworld books are most likely Interesting Times and Going Postal though I really like all of them. I just find nearly every damn sentence in Interesting Times hilarious, and I really like Moist von Lipwig. . .Great caracter. I'm really looking forward to Making Money.
Poliwanacraca
24-04-2007, 20:45
This is all fine, but what if it's Granny Weatherwax vs Vetinari?

I am terrified merely at the thought of this.

As for the original question - I wouldn't say that Pratchett is the best writer alive, but he's unquestionably the best satirist. I just reread The Truth yesterday, in fact, and giggled nearly as much as I did the first time I read it. :)
Gravlen
24-04-2007, 22:32
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hs2BqxjVBCc
>_>

Theres also a rather good live action presentation of Hogfather.

I think I have the movie/miniseries/whathaveyou :)
The Infinite Dunes
24-04-2007, 23:23
I am terrified merely at the thought of this.

As for the original question - I wouldn't say that Pratchett is the best writer alive, but he's unquestionably the best satirist. I just reread The Truth yesterday, in fact, and giggled nearly as much as I did the first time I read it. :)

I picked up my copy of Wyrd Sisters today in an attempt to find a quote I could lift from it and use in this thread... I ended up forgetting about NSG.
Egg and Chips II
25-04-2007, 00:09
Trilby63;12577409']You don't play the Discworld mud?

AGGGH! Another one!

That must be twisted beyond belief...
Zarakon
25-04-2007, 00:10
The Color of Magic
The Light Fantastic
Equal Rites
Mort
Sourcery
Eric
Reaper Man
Moving Pictures
Witches Abroad
Pyramids ("I thought you said it wasn't compulsory" "Yes, but she's not choosing to do it!")
Small Gods

I think that's all...

Also, I like the original version of "It takes a thief to catch a thief" in Ankh-Morpork.
I V Stalin
25-04-2007, 00:25
I would like to bring to the attention of the forum, the 'Science of Discworld' series. Excellent stuff.
Indeed. There's three now, am I right? All very interesting.

Great Writer but i prefer Tom Holt
Tom Holt is genius. Just finished reading Overtime and re-reading Here Comes The Sun. Now I've got The Portable Door, Grailblazers and Odds And Gods on the go. :)
NERVUN
25-04-2007, 00:28
This is Vetinari though, remember? He would die even if he was killed. I bet Da Quirm made a cloning machine for him.
You forget Eric. At the end, there is only Death... until the paperclip shows up of course.
Dobbsworld
25-04-2007, 02:03
Bah. I've read better.
[NS]Trilby63
25-04-2007, 17:39
AGGGH! Another one!

That must be twisted beyond belief...

Nah.. It's all right..
Forsakia
25-04-2007, 17:49
I picked up my copy of Wyrd Sisters today in an attempt to find a quote I could lift from it and use in this thread... I ended up forgetting about NSG.

Heresy! Burn him at the altar so that the great god Max may be appeased. Or force feed him some of Monsieur CMOT Dibbler's wares. Either's good.
Scaveutland
26-04-2007, 14:19
IT DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE I ALWAYS WIN.-Quote from Death on quarrel with Sam Vimes

Death would obviously win, because unlike him, everyone else dies sometime.
Big Jim P
26-04-2007, 14:50
I am currently reading Wintersmith. Over the years I have read almost all of the books starting with sourcery way back in the day.

I can't say as I have a favorite, but I much prefer the earlier books. In Pratchetts later stories , he seems to be working too hard to make them funny, and loses alot of the humour in the process.
The Infinite Dunes
26-04-2007, 16:38
Well Death is only the Death of the Discworld. In think somewhere it says he is merely a manefestation of the ultimate Death... or something like that. And what about those weird guys who pop out of existance whenever they refer to themselves in the first person? Aren't they to Death what an employee review board is to... well... an employee?

And Death's come dangerously close to mortality in both Reaper Man and the Hogfather.

Heresy! Burn him at the altar so that the great god Max may be appeased. Or force feed him some of Monsieur CMOT Dibbler's wares. Either's good.:eek: I'd much prefer to be burninated!
Gravlen
26-04-2007, 20:39
Monstrous Regiment is, while not as outright funny as his earlier work, simply a masterpiece! :cool:
Boonytopia
27-04-2007, 11:18
Vimes is cool, but even he couldn't defeat DEATH.