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12 year old beheads US spy

Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:00
12 year old boy beheads man (Censored Version)

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The Taliban in Afghanistan have used a boy of around 12 to behead a man they accused of spying for the US.Parts of a video of the beheading were broadcast on the Dubai-based al-Arabiya TV network.The Taleban said the dead man, Ghulam Nabi, had given the US information which led to an air strike in which a senior Taleban commander died.
The video footage shows Mr Nabi being blindfolded with a chequered scarf and making what is said to be a confession.The boy, wearing a camouflage jacket and wielding a large knife, denounces him as a spy and then cuts off his head.The father of Mr Nabi, who lives in Pakistan and who confirmed that his son was the man killed in the video, said his son had been a loyal member of the Taleban. Senior Taleban commander Akhtar Mohammad Osmani was killed during a December air strike on his car in southern Afghanistan.

No.

The followers of the religion of peace strikes again.
Pepe Dominguez
21-04-2007, 23:04
[i]12 year old boy beheads man (Censored Version).

An informant isn't the same thing as a spy.. though I guess "spy" makes for a more effective headline. In any case, the use of child soldiers is nothing new.. they aren't fgood for much, but it's not a new tactic.
Eurgrovia
21-04-2007, 23:04
The religion of peace strikes again.
More like moronic cultures strike again.
Philosopy
21-04-2007, 23:05
That's not actually the video is it?

If it is, for Gawd's sake take it down.
Drunk commies deleted
21-04-2007, 23:06
That kid needs a time out.

The taliban are such scary opponents. They can behed a few people, but every time they get in a scrap with UN troops they get their asses handed to them. All they can do is behead bound prisoners or throw acid in a gir's face for not wearing a burqa. Bunch of pussies.
Ifreann
21-04-2007, 23:06
The religion of peace strikes again.

I wasn't aware that the taleban was a religion, much less one of peace.



Oh, this is a poor attempt at making Islam out to be "teh ebul", I see.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/1174329819-fail.jpg

Also, I advise against clicking the link and clicking the agree button, what I assume is the video mentioned in the text is there and is more than happy to play of its own accord.

And take the damn link down!
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:08
I wasn't aware that the taleban was a religion, much less one of peace.
Oh gee. Such cleverness.
Drunk commies deleted
21-04-2007, 23:09
I wasn't aware that the taleban was a religion, much less one of peace.



Oh, this is a poor attempt at making Islam out to be "teh ebul", I see.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/1174329819-fail.jpg

Also, I advise against clicking the link and clicking the agree button, what I assume is the video mentioned in the text is there and is more than happy to play of its own accord.
Nice pic.
Haneastic
21-04-2007, 23:10
This isn't really the Islam here, it's more the crazed fringe group that is still living in the mountains and have a strong amount of hold in some rural areas of Afghanistan.

Sadly, even the fact the beheader was 12 isn't even surprising. The Taliban doesn't have a large manpower pool anymore, and has been recruiting younger kids for a while, but this video puts it out into the open.
Cannot think of a name
21-04-2007, 23:11
The religion of peace strikes again.
I didn't know anyone was still trying this one out.

Were you deriding christianity's claims of peace when the protestants and catholics were going at it in Northern Ireland? Or American fundamentalists were bombing abortion clinics? Christian clan members burning crosses and hanging minorities? Celebrating deaths because god hates fags?

Or is condemning an entire faith on a few acts something you only do to other religions?

Truth is once you've convinced someone that an invisible sky wizard is watching you and will grant you a place in his sky wizard kingdom it's pretty easy to convince them to do a whole lot of things.
Ifreann
21-04-2007, 23:12
Oh gee. Such cleverness.

You have a good hard think about whether the taleban are representative of all muslims, then come back to me about cleverness.

Oh, and I brought myself to watch some of the video in your link.

Very bad idea to post that. Very bad indeed.
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:13
I didn't know anyone was still trying this one out.

Were you deriding christianity's claims of peace when the protestants and catholics were going at it in Northern Ireland? Or American fundamentalists were bombing abortion clinics? Christian clan members burning crosses and hanging minorities? Celebrating deaths because god hates fags?
Actually I was.
Cannot think of a name
21-04-2007, 23:14
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/1174329819-fail.jpg




Your photo just blew my mind-how does an animal with one of those cones on eat?
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:16
You have a good hard think about whether the taleban are representative of all muslims, then come back to me about cleverness.
You have a good hard on about wether they are as unpopular among all muslims as you might think.
Eurgrovia
21-04-2007, 23:19
Your photo just blew my mind-how does an animal with one of those cones on eat?
They usually aren't that big if I remember the one I had on my cat. Anyway, they can usually get the food if they point their head down and into the bowl instead of at an angle.
Desperate Measures
21-04-2007, 23:19
You have a good hard on about wether they are as unpopular among all muslims as you might think.

My hard-on cannot stay up with "whethers". Too insubstantial. For my hard-on to endure, it needs decidedness.
Eurgrovia
21-04-2007, 23:21
You have a good hard on about wether they are as unpopular among all muslims as you might think.
Provide a single credible article proving that they are popular representatives of Muslims across the world. I imagine you would be hard pressed to find something that would back up your arguements.
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:23
Provide a single credible article proving that they are popular representatives of Muslims across the world. I imagine you would be hard pressed to find something that would back up your arguements.
Provide one to the contrary. And I don't mean some statements from organisations. But evidence that the random muslim doesn't have any kind of simpathy/understanding for them.
Desperate Measures
21-04-2007, 23:24
From a 12 year old beheading a spy to hardons in 15 posts. Gentlemen, I AM impressed.

And you are not the first to say so. But I'm not one to gloat about it.
Big Jim P
21-04-2007, 23:25
You have a good hard on about wether they are as unpopular among all muslims as you might think.

My hard-on cannot stay up with "whethers". Too insubstantial. For my hard-on to endure, it needs decidedness.

From a 12 year old beheading a spy to hardons in 15 posts. Gentlemen, I AM impressed.
Eurgrovia
21-04-2007, 23:30
Provide one to the contrary. And I don't mean some statements from organisations. But evidence that the random muslim doesn't have any kind of simpathy/understanding for them.
We are talking about sympathy from Muslims towards the taliban? Well gee, there is sympathy towards the taliban from non-Muslims I am sure.

You don't demonize hunreds of millions because of a handful.
Pan-Arab Barronia
21-04-2007, 23:30
My hard-on cannot stay up with "whethers". Too insubstantial. For my hard-on to endure, it needs decidedness.

Blast you! I was trying to think of witty wordplay for that...
Ifreann
21-04-2007, 23:31
Your photo just blew my mind-how does an animal with one of those cones on eat?
Maybe you have to feed them by hand.
You have a good hard on about wether they are as unpopular among all muslims as you might think.

Estimates on the number of muslims range from 0.7 billion to 1.2 billion, representing 22% of the world population at the higher end(Source (http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_numb.htm)). There are no reliable estimates on the number of taleban members. I seriously doubt they're as popular as you suggest(to the point that the taliban and islam are equivilant), because that would mean there are millions of taliban members concentrated mainly in the middle east, far far more than there are soldiers there to fight them.
Ifreann
21-04-2007, 23:32
Provide one to the contrary. And I don't mean some statements from organisations. But evidence that the random muslim doesn't have any kind of simpathy/understanding for them.

You made the claim that the taliban and islam are equivilant, the burden of proof is on you.
United Chicken Kleptos
21-04-2007, 23:33
Your photo just blew my mind-how does an animal with one of those cones on eat?

I believe that it works like a funnel. You pour food in and the animal eats. Or suffocates.
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:33
We are talking about sympathy from Muslims towards the taliban?
No. We were, at least that was the intention, bout a 12 year old beheading a US spy in the name of Allah. Oh gee. Excuse me, alledged US spy. I got attacked for that too.

Well gee, there is sympathy towards the taliban from non-Muslims I am sure.
Your one of them?

You don't demonize billions because of a handful.
Spoken like a true PCler.
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:35
You made the claim that the taliban and islam are equivilant, the burden of proof is on you.
Actually I didn't.
Ifreann
21-04-2007, 23:36
No. We were, at least that was the intention, bout a 12 year old beheading a US spy in the name of Allah. Oh gee. Excuse me, alledged US spy. I got attacked for that too.
That's not really something that needs much discussion. The taliban are an unpleasant bunch of people to say the least, we've known that for some time.

You're the one that equated the taliban with islam, so don't start complaining when we call you on your nonsense.
Eurgrovia
21-04-2007, 23:38
No. We were, at least that was the intention, bout a 12 year old beheading a US spy in the name of Allah. Oh gee. Excuse me, alledged US spy. I got attacked for that too.

Provide one to the contrary. And I don't mean some statements from organisations. But evidence that the random muslim doesn't have any kind of simpathy/understanding for them.
Care to retract your statement?

Your one of them?
Go back and read for comprehension you idiot.

Spoken like a true PCler.
What the hell is a PCler? You know, it really doesn't matter, because any insult and statement that comes out of your mouth is wrong and flat out stupid.
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:38
You're the one that equated the taliban with islam, so don't start complaining when we call you on your nonsense.
Well, if you think cutting soemones head off is nonsense.
Xiscapia
21-04-2007, 23:39
Amazing. Simply amazing. We've got some people talking about Muslims, some people talking about hard ons, and a cat with a ring trying to eat. WTF? Seriously, what kind of group mind-rot is going on here???
Ifreann
21-04-2007, 23:40
Actually I didn't.
Oh, so the OP was a different Admiral Canaris?
12 year old boy beheads man (Censored Version)

Marked as: Mature, Featured

The Taliban in Afghanistan have used a boy of around 12 to behead a man they accused of spying for the US.Parts of a video of the beheading were broadcast on the Dubai-based al-Arabiya TV network.The Taleban said the dead man, Ghulam Nabi, had given the US information which led to an air strike in which a senior Taleban commander died.
The video footage shows Mr Nabi being blindfolded with a chequered scarf and making what is said to be a confession.The boy, wearing a camouflage jacket and wielding a large knife, denounces him as a spy and then cuts off his head.The father of Mr Nabi, who lives in Pakistan and who confirmed that his son was the man killed in the video, said his son had been a loyal member of the Taleban. Senior Taleban commander Akhtar Mohammad Osmani was killed during a December air strike on his car in southern Afghanistan.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=46e_1177179030

The religion of peace strikes again.
Well, if you think cutting soemones head off is nonsense.

No, I think blaming the religion of the beheader for the beheading is nonsense.
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:41
Care to retract your statement?

No. I don't.

Go back and read for comprehension you idiot.
Go back and look who started that argument you retard.


You know, it really doesn't matter, because any insult and statement that comes out of your mouth is wrong and flat out stupid.
The why do you still post here in this thread of divine intelligence?
Pan-Arab Barronia
21-04-2007, 23:42
Actually I didn't.

Erm, yes, you did.

[i]12 year old boy beheads man (Censored Version)

<snip, included with various mentions of the Taliban, and none of Islam, Christianity, or other religions>

The religion of peace strikes again.
Eurgrovia
21-04-2007, 23:44
No. I don't.
Despite the fact that you completely contradicted yourself? Wonderful.


Go back and look who started that argument you retard.
Who started the argument has nothing to do with it. You are the one who started this thread in a forum for debate.



The why do you still post here in this thread of divine intelligence?
When you say something that I can understand instead of acronyms that apparently have no meaning to anyone else but you, I might as debate your stupidity, oh divine child.
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:45
Erm, yes, you did.
Erm. No I didn't.
I wasn't aware that the taleban was a religion, much less one of peace.
Thats were the whole equating started.


And take the damn link down!
No.
Haneastic
21-04-2007, 23:46
The fact that they're forced to recruit 12 year olds to do their work would say something as yo how popular they are and how many people they can get.
Desperate Measures
21-04-2007, 23:47
Amazing. Simply amazing. We've got some people talking about Muslims, some people talking about hard ons, and a cat with a ring trying to eat. WTF? Seriously, what kind of group mind-rot is going on here???

I'm not seeing your point...

And now you must be wondering, was what I just said a double entendre?
Ifreann
21-04-2007, 23:48
Erm. No I didn't.

Thats were the whole equating started.
Read (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12567593&postcount=33) this. Looks to me like you're equating the taliban with "the religion of peace", i.e. Islam.
Pan-Arab Barronia
21-04-2007, 23:49
Erm. No I didn't.

Of course not. You just neglected to mention any religion in the OP. You just mentioned the Taliban, then "the religion of peace strikes again". My mistake.
Eurgrovia
21-04-2007, 23:49
Erm. No I didn't.
He proved that you did, don't deny it like a child caught with his hand in a cookie jar.

At this point you are simply denying what you have said and pulling "facts" out of your rear end.

/phail thread.
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:52
Despite the fact that you completely contradicted yourself? Wonderful.
But I didn't.


Who started the argument has nothing to do with it. You are the one who started this thread in a forum for debate.
Not the argument but that one in particular. The Taliban=Islam one. And NS is usually more about ganging up on the posters who post stuff that goes against political corectness.


When you say something that I can understand instead of acronyms that apparently have no meaning to anyone else but you, I might as debate your stupidity, oh divine child.
I'm not realy interested in debate with someone who needs to resort to personal insults. And I'm not holding a gun to your head. You come in here out of your free will.
Big Jim P
21-04-2007, 23:53
Amazing. Simply amazing. We've got some people talking about Muslims, some people talking about hard ons, and a cat with a ring trying to eat. WTF? Seriously, what kind of group mind-rot is going on here???

Welcome to NSG! :D
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:53
Read (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12567593&postcount=33) this. Looks to me like you're equating the taliban with "the religion of peace", i.e. Islam.
What? The Taliban have converted and now are Buddhist fanatics?
Admiral Canaris
21-04-2007, 23:54
Of course not. You just neglected to mention any religion in the OP. You just mentioned the Taliban, then "the religion of peace strikes again". My mistake.
I posted an articel which mentions the Taliban. Kinda hard to not mention them. And unless they converted they still are Islamic.
Pan-Arab Barronia
21-04-2007, 23:55
Not the argument but that one in particular. The Taliban=Islam one. And NS is usually more about ganging up on the posters who post stuff that goes against political corectness.

That has nothing to do with Political Correctness! In fact, I happen to be one of leading speakers of anti-PC in my college, if you don't mind! What we're ganging up on you about is the fact that you equate Taliban to Islam, then deny it.
Greater Trostia
22-04-2007, 00:00
Oh gee. Such cleverness.

Well, surely not as clever as shouting "LOL RELIGION OF PEACE" every time any Muslim anywhere does anything unpeaceful, in a desperate attempt to spread religious bigotry.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:03
That has nothing to do with Political Correctness! In fact, I happen to be one of leading speakers of anti-PC in my college, if you don't mind!
It has a lot to do with it.

What we're ganging up on you about is the fact that you equate Taliban to Islam, then deny it.
No. It's the usual way it goes on NS. Instead of actualy debating the articel ,or whatever else is the topic, the NS-PC gang up against the one who posted it. And no. This isn't a 'poor me' post. So save the energy. You don't like my thread? Stay out.
Eurgrovia
22-04-2007, 00:05
No. It's the usual way it goes on NS. Instead of actualy debating the articel ,or whatever else is the topic, the NS-PC gang up against the one who posted it. And no. This isn't a 'poor me' post. So save the energy. You don't like my thread? Stay out.
All I hear is "How dare you debate what I wrote" and "If you don't agree with what I say, go away".
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:05
Well, surely not as clever as shouting "LOL RELIGION OF PEACE" every time any Muslim anywhere does anything unpeaceful, in a desperate attempt to spread religious bigotry.
I didn't LOL anywhere.
Pan-Arab Barronia
22-04-2007, 00:06
It has a lot to do with it.


No. It's the usual way it goes on NS. Instead of actualy debating the articel ,or whatever else is the topic, the NS-PC gang up against the one who posted it. And no. This isn't a 'poor me' post. So save the energy. You don't like my thread? Stay out.

I'm sorry, but would you like to explain to me who this "NS-PC" gang are? All I see here are people that can't comprehend why you've made various claims against Islam that you can't, or won't, back up.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:07
All I hear is "How dare you debate what I wrote"
As long as nobody finds it necessary to react to the articel.

and
"If you don't agree with what I say, go away".
No. But if all your interested in is insulting me then go away.
Greater Trostia
22-04-2007, 00:07
I didn't LOL anywhere.

That's true. And the "Religion of Peace" didn't behead anyone.

Blaming religion ignores the fact of personal responsibility. It's sad you know, that you have this much in common with Hillary Clinton ... she blames video games, you blame Islam. I guess I'm among the cherished few in this society who blames the actions of individuals, on those individuals.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:08
I'm sorry, but would you like to explain to me who this "NS-PC" gang are?
Users like Neu Leonstein.
Eurgrovia
22-04-2007, 00:09
As long as nobody finds it necessary to react to the article
We are involving the article in our debate against you, or have you ignored our references to it?


No. But if all your interested in is insulting me then go away.
I am obviously debating you, but when someone shows such a massive level of stupidity, I find it hard to hold in insults.
Ifreann
22-04-2007, 00:12
What? The Taliban have converted and now are Buddhist fanatics?
Eh, what?
I posted an articel which mentions the Taliban. Kinda hard to not mention them. And unless they converted they still are Islamic.
Yes they are still muslims, at least in their minds. That doesn't mean they're representative of Islam to the point where you can say "The religion of peace strikes again" when they do something.
It has a lot to do with it.


No. It's the usual way it goes on NS. Instead of actualy debating the articel ,or whatever else is the topic, the NS-PC gang up against the one who posted it. And no. This isn't a 'poor me' post. So save the energy. You don't like my thread? Stay out.

No, this really isn't about being politically correct, this is about being able to think rationally. You're blaming Islam for the actions of the taliban. In my opinion that's about the same as Jack Thompson blaming video games for the VA Tech shooting.

Correlation=/=Causation.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:13
I am obviously debating you, but when someone shows such a massive level of stupidity, I find it hard to hold in insults.
In that case let the door hot you.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:16
There. That more to your liking?
Eurgrovia
22-04-2007, 00:17
In that case let the door hit you.
As long as you continue to say stupid shit and believe it, I will debate it.
Ifreann
22-04-2007, 00:21
There. That more to your liking?

Someone's admitting defeat on NS!

Archive this thread!
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:23
Someone's admitting defeat on NS!
I'm not admitting to anything. But perhaps the PC mob now actualy will debate the articel instead of my personal feelings towards Islam. As it was intendet.
Pan-Arab Barronia
22-04-2007, 00:27
There. That more to your liking?

Actually, yes. Thankyou.
Eurgrovia
22-04-2007, 00:31
I'm not admitting to anything. But perhaps the PC mob now actualy will debate the articel instead of my personal feelings towards Islam. As it was intendet.
We already expressed our opinions about the video, then went onto debating your personal views on the video that you so blatantly gave.

If you don't want a debate, keep your own opinions and things not directly relating to the point you wish to get across, to yourself.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:32
Amazing how quikly a 'debate' around here dies down once the political incorrect post is changed. A man beeing beheaded just isn't as :eek: as it used to be. You still don't believe in the NS PC-gang?
Eurgrovia
22-04-2007, 00:35
Amazing how quikly a 'debate' around here dies down once the political incorrect post is changed. A man beeing beheaded just isn't as :eek: as it used to be. You still don't believe in the NS PC-gang?
This has nothing to do with political correctness. Saying that Taliban=Representation of most (if not all Muslims) is just stupid, not politcally incorrect.

I am not sure if you are a troll, or just genuinely ignorant.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:36
This has nothing to do with political correctness.
Well, your the only one still here.
Ifreann
22-04-2007, 00:38
Amazing how quikly a 'debate' around here dies down once the political incorrect post is changed. A man beeing beheaded just isn't as :eek: as it used to be. You still don't believe in the NS PC-gang?

We all know the taliban are a bunch of crazy coated crazies with crazy filling. It kinda goes without saying by now.
Eurgrovia
22-04-2007, 00:38
Well, your the only one still here.
What does that have to do with anything? Anyway, I am tired of arguing with you in the same sense that I would get tired of arguing with a wall.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:41
What does that have to do with anything? Anyway, I am tired of arguing with you in the same sense that I would get tired of arguing with a wall.
Like I said before. Let the door hit you.
Pan-Arab Barronia
22-04-2007, 00:41
There. That more to your liking?

Amazing how quikly a 'debate' around here dies down once the political incorrect post is changed. A man beeing beheaded just isn't as :eek: as it used to be. You still don't believe in the NS PC-gang?

Well, no, it isn't. We've seen it all before, unfortunately. Maybe not with 12-year-olds, but we've seen all the beheadings before, and not of people suspected of being an informant, but real, innocent people.

Not to mention the fact that you evidently don't know what Politically Incorrect is. Your OP was just plain incorrect.
Sane Outcasts
22-04-2007, 00:44
Amazing how quikly a 'debate' around here dies down once the political incorrect post is changed. A man beeing beheaded just isn't as :eek: as it used to be. You still don't believe in the NS PC-gang?

Not much to say, really. Yes, it's horrible that a 12 year-old beheaded a man, but its not like you'll get anyone here to defend that action. The only thing we really have to get a debate started around here is the comment added to the article by the OP (you). In this case, you focused on the religion of the Taliban and made a blanket statement about Muslims that was both entirely unjustified by the article and somewhat bigoted.

You want to talk about the article, you remark on it or go with the general topic it addresses, in this case child soldiers, the use of children in propaganda, or maybe the Taliban itself. Making comments like "The religion of peace strikes again" is just begging for people that have a problem with ignorant statements like that to call you on it.

By the way, your edit still doesn't make it any less irrelevant to the article.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 00:50
The only thing we really have to get a debate started around here is the comment added to the article by the OP (you).
It's pretty much the only thing that ever gets 'debated' around here.


By the way, your edit still doesn't make it any less irrelevant to the article.

It's all your gonna get.
Pan-Arab Barronia
22-04-2007, 00:58
It's pretty much the only thing that ever gets 'debated' around here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524713
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524646
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524646

Three examples of where you are wrong. I can go find more if you should like. Just because you made a stupid comment, don't go assuming that calling you on it is all we're here for.
Sane Outcasts
22-04-2007, 00:59
It's pretty much the only thing that ever gets 'debated' around here.
No, many, many, many other topics are debated on their own merits here. That's because the OP actually worked at the debate instead of saying something ignorant and berating other posters for calling him on it.


It's all your gonna get.

Then don't expect anything constructive. You get back what you put in, in your case nothing.
Ontario within Canada
22-04-2007, 01:03
Admiral Canaris, this is not about 'political correctness'. This is about you, and the opinion of Islam you have expressed in this thread, which borders on hate speech.

There are many American citizens who are Muslim, who do not 'hate America', yet due to people like you, are made to feel unwanted within their own nation.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:03
Admiral Canaris, this is not about 'political correctness'. This is about you, and the opinion of Islam you have expressed in this thread, which borders on hate speech.
Oh?

There are many American citizens who are Muslim, who do not 'hate America', yet due to people like you, are made to feel unwanted within their own nation.
Since I like Americans almost as much as muslims, how should that be relevant to me?
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:06
No, many, many, many other topics are debated on their own merits here.
Unless the OP isn't what the PC mob likes. I've seen it happen often enough in the years I've been here.
Sane Outcasts
22-04-2007, 01:09
Unless the OP isn't what the PC mob likes. I've seen it happen often enough in the years I've been here.

The environment here is hostile to certain viewpoints, as are all other forums. But it isn't about being PC here, and your little victim complex is hardly helping your case. The reason your comment is being picked apart is not that it isn't PC, its because it was stupid, plain and simple.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:10
Ergh, I've had arguments with brick walls that get it easier than you.
Then go back to them.
Pan-Arab Barronia
22-04-2007, 01:11
Unless the OP isn't what the PC mob likes. I've seen it happen often enough in the years I've been here.

Ergh, I've had arguments with brick walls that get it easier than you.

To make my point, and a few others, clear:

Your post was not politically incorrect. It was just incorrect in the simplest sense of the word. The PC Brigade are not jumping on you. We're just calling you on one stupid comment.
Elite Shock Troops
22-04-2007, 01:16
I didn't know anyone was still trying this one out.

Were you deriding christianity's claims of peace when the protestants and catholics were going at it in Northern Ireland? Or American fundamentalists were bombing abortion clinics? Christian clan members burning crosses and hanging minorities? Celebrating deaths because god hates fags?

Similarly, I did not know anyone was still trying this one out.

[dry sarcasm]
Since they're comparable on a spatial and historical scale, and they're totally comparable since both have seen 12 year old kids raised and taught that its ok to cut the head off another human being (being made only worse by heresay evidence, and undoubtedly incredible pain involved in doing it while still alive)

I can rail off a comparable number of examples in other cultural/regional/religious groups in recent times...NOT
[/dry sarcasm]

I'm getting somewhat tired of seeing similar shoddy statements appearing to directly (or indirectly) defend undeniably immoral, painful, humiliating, tortuous actions no matter who carried them out (or their "background")
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:16
The environment here is hostile to certain viewpoints. But it isn't about being PC here, and your little victim complex is hardly helping your case.
Oh I don't have a victim complex. And I know that the majority of this forum is hostile if you don't share their pink colored view of the world.
The reason your comment is being picked apart is not that it isn't PC, its because it was stupid, plain and simple.
It wouldn't matter if I would have posted 1001 links to back my personal views up. Which were not the intendet topic. The PC-mob still would have come mudslinging. Thats just NS.
Pan-Arab Barronia
22-04-2007, 01:23
Then go back to them.

I like a challenge.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:23
I like a challenge.
Suit yourself.
Greater Trostia
22-04-2007, 01:26
So basically you hate Muslims, you made no argument, but you expect people to debate, and if they do, you whine about the "PC-mob."

Am I missing anything or did I sum it up pretty damn well?
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:27
Similarly, I did not know anyone was still trying this one out.

[dry sarcasm]
Since they're comparable on a spatial and historical scale, and they're totally comparable since both have seen 12 year old kids raised and taught that its ok to cut the head off another human being (being made only worse by heresay evidence, and undoubtedly incredible pain involved in doing it while still alive)

I can rail off a comparable number of examples in other cultural/regional/religious groups in recent times...NOT
[/dry sarcasm]

I'm getting somewhat tired of seeing similar shoddy statements appearing to directly (or indirectly) defend undeniably immoral, painful, humiliating, tortuous actions no matter who carried them out (or their "background")
Ah. Finally someone who actually thinks beheading someone is worse.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:29
So basically you hate Muslims
[quote] you made no argument, but you expect people to debate, and if they do, you whine about the "PC-mob."
They are more offended at my OP then at the murder itself. So yeah. I "whine".
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:30
Worse than...?
My OP. Everyone seemed to get a 'kick' out of that. The beaheading. Oh well, not like we haven't seen that before.
Pan-Arab Barronia
22-04-2007, 01:31
So basically you hate Muslims, you made no argument, but you expect people to debate, and if they do, you whine about the "PC-mob."

Am I missing anything or did I sum it up pretty damn well?

No, that appears to be the long and short of it.
Pan-Arab Barronia
22-04-2007, 01:31
Ah. Finally someone who actually thinks beheading someone is worse.

Worse than...?
Greater Trostia
22-04-2007, 01:33
So basically you hate Muslims

They are more offended at my OP then at the murder itself. So yeah. I "whine".

Yeah, you do whine. Glad you can admit it.

As for the OP, I don't even care. Given the choice between a few beheadings, and the nazi-esque ethnic-based hatred exhibited by ... people ... like you, I choose the beheadings. Because at least there's no chance of concentration camps and gas chambers with the beheaders... with people like you, you'd fire up those suckers and start tossing people in by the millions if you ever got the chance.

Hatred in all it's forms is disgusting... that includes people like you, who, incidentally, share more in common with the beheader than anyone else here.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:36
As for the OP, I don't even care.
Sure you don't.
Given the choice between a few beheadings, and the nazi-esque ethnic-based hatred exhibited by ... people ... like you, I choose the beheadings. Because at least there's no chance of concentration camps and gas chambers with the beheaders... with people like you, you'd fire up those suckers and start tossing people in by the millions if you ever got the chance.

Off course. :rolleyes:
Ifreann
22-04-2007, 01:36
My OP. Everyone seemed to get a 'kick' out of that. The beaheading. Oh well, not like we haven't seen that before.

What were you expecting? Pages upon pages of people talking about the different ways that getting a child to behead someone is terrible?
Greater Trostia
22-04-2007, 01:38
Off course. :rolleyes:

I'm glad you're in agreement.

So, with everyone in agreement, what's left to debate? You see the problem. You offer no argument nor debate, and your little two-word quips don't really qualify as "discussion" either.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:41
What were you expecting? Pages upon pages of people talking about the different ways that getting a child to behead someone is terrible?
Something like that. Instead we had 6 full pages of personal insults, excuse making and now the long expected Nazi comment. I'm actually suprised it took that long.
Greater Trostia
22-04-2007, 01:45
Something like that. Instead we had 6 full pages of personal insults, excuse making and now the long expected Nazi comment. I'm actually suprised it took that long.

Yeah hey, how about that - you express a virulent hatred for a religious/ethnic group, and the nazis did too. Gosh! It's almost like being similar to a nazi, gets people calling you similar to a nazi!
Sane Outcasts
22-04-2007, 01:51
Oh I don't have a victim complex. And I know that the majority of this forum is hostile if you don't share their pink colored view of the world.
You refused for half of this thread to debate your original comment, tell people that call you on it to debate the article, and finally make a token change to the comment, all the while complaining of a "PC mob". If you don't want to sound like a victim, then stop complaining and get into the debate, even if it isn't going the direction you want it to go.

It wouldn't matter if I would have posted 1001 links to back my personal views up. Which were not the intendet topic. The PC-mob still would have come mudslinging. Thats just NS.

If you wanted the intended topic to be the article, you should have talked about the article. The problem here wasn't some PC mob, it was an OP that wanted to talk about Muslims, not the Taliban.
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:52
Yeah hey, how about that - you express a virulent hatred for a religious/ethnic group, and the nazis did too. Gosh! It's almost like being similar to a nazi, gets people calling you similar to a nazi!
Yes please let's not get distracted from the real issue here. My 'virulent hatred'. You also prefer beheadings?
Admiral Canaris
22-04-2007, 01:58
You refused for half of this thread to debate your original comment, tell people that call you on it to debate the article, and finally make a token change to the comment, all the while complaining of a "PC mob". If you don't want to sound like a victim, then stop complaining and get into the debate, even if it isn't going the direction you want it to go.

If you wanted the intended topic to be the article, you should have talked about the article. The problem here wasn't some PC mob, it was an OP that wanted to talk about Muslims, not the Taliban.
As you pointed out above I did call them to talk about the article. All I got were stuff like: Not like we haven't seen this before. or Your virulent hatred. I prefer the beheadings
And since the Taliban are Islamic and they are fighting for an Islamic victory you can't talk about the one and ignore the other. But most posters choose to ignore it all together. And instead trip over my OP.
Sane Outcasts
22-04-2007, 02:06
As you pointed out above I did call them to talk about the article. All I got were stuff like: Not like we haven't seen this before. or Your virulent hatred. I prefer the beheadings
And since the Taliban are Islamic and they are fighting for an Islamic victory you can't talk about the one and ignore the other. But most posters choose to ignore it all together. And instead trip over my OP.

The entire point has been that you can very easily separate those two. The fact that you won't/don't/can't (can't tell which) is what got you all of that flak. I'll not try to explain those posts since the other posters can defend their comments themselves.

If you are not willing to discuss the Taliban separately from Islam, then you'll be stuck at this point until the thread dies. If you want to talk about the beheadings, then let this point slide, talk about the Taliban without talking about Islam, and maybe this thread will move.
Jocabia
22-04-2007, 02:17
The followers of the religion of peace strikes again.

I love when people throw logic out the window in their arguments. It's amusing. You see by your claim, white people are equally deserving of being derided. And black people. And Asians. And Christians. And Native Americans. And Liberals. And Conservatives. And people who perform magic. And pretty much every other way you can group human beings.

Exactly when did I become responsible for every single group YOU would group me in?
Jocabia
22-04-2007, 02:19
As you pointed out above I did call them to talk about the article. All I got were stuff like: Not like we haven't seen this before. or Your virulent hatred. I prefer the beheadings
And since the Taliban are Islamic and they are fighting for an Islamic victory you can't talk about the one and ignore the other. But most posters choose to ignore it all together. And instead trip over my OP.

Um, you realize they are only fighting for their particular group of Muslims to win. They don't like forward-thinking Muslims or many other Muslims groups. It's pretty much a with us or against thinking. Actually that have much more in common with you than they do with most Muslims.
Jocabia
22-04-2007, 02:22
Something like that. Instead we had 6 full pages of personal insults, excuse making and now the long expected Nazi comment. I'm actually suprised it took that long.

Aw, look, you're a victim for being required to defend your nonsensical assertions. Hold on while I wipe away my sympathetic tears. When you make ridiculous statements, expect to be called on them. It's not about PC. It's about being accurate. Your OP is not.
Greater Trostia
22-04-2007, 02:28
Yes please let's not get distracted from the real issue here. My 'virulent hatred'.

That IS the issue. You posted this, because you hate Muslims and want to use this incident to smear them. To blurt out your "Religion of Peace" nonsense which you and Islamophobes all around the world trumpet out to each other as your way of letting everyone know just how hateful you are.

You also prefer beheadings?

You also prefer child rape?

Hey look, I can make stupid accusations TOO.
Jocabia
22-04-2007, 02:31
Yes please let's not get distracted from the real issue here. My 'virulent hatred'. You also prefer beheadings?

You make it impossible to agree with your OP, by being hateful and illogical. It's like this.

Example: I saw a man peeing in a flowerbed therefore men are evil.

Result: People point out my error in logic so I accuse them of supporting peeing in public.

See, you're throwing the classic red herring argument. Unless someone actually said they support beheadings or don't care, it wasn't what they were saying. Most of us agree it's a crying shame, but would prefer to react to the thing we can address which is that there are children who know better spreading their hatred on the internet.
Dawlkin
22-04-2007, 02:32
:rolleyes:

The fire chief wants to know if everyone got out of the burning building ok because he wants to use halon to put the fire out.


I wish there was more good news reported. Far too much bad news on TV these days.
Non Aligned States
22-04-2007, 02:47
Actually I didn't.

No, you claimed that the Taliban were a religion or religious group. It's up to you to prove that. That's how it works here.

Otherwise, I can claim that you're nothing more than a bunch of monkeys randomly slamming on the keyboard. And the burden of proof would be on you.
Katganistan
22-04-2007, 15:03
Provide one to the contrary. And I don't mean some statements from organisations. But evidence that the random muslim doesn't have any kind of simpathy/understanding for them.

Nope. In debate, you are obligated to prove a positive. You provide proof that the Taliban is representative of all Muslims.

Well, your the only one still here.

No, actually, I am still here. And outlasting people by simply repeating the same points and saying, "You're wrong" without providing proof certainly does not make you "win the thread". It does make you look like you don't have a leg to stand on.

Videos that show murder are not allowed here. Mistake one.

You used the term 'PCler', which no one here, including myself, has seen. They asked you about it and got a rambling discourse about how the 'PC Brigade" was against you, and you listed as one of this 'PC Brigade' someone whom I don't even recall having put their oar in.

You have attempted to label as "PClers" everyone who has asked you to proved your statement that all Muslims are sympathetic to the Taliban, and in using the ad hominem, attempted to discredit the attempts to get you to prove your point.

You have failed to provide evidence for your statement that all Muslims are sympathetic to the Taliban, and demanded that we prove a negative, which outside of the rules of debate.

You have told people to leave your thread. Sorry, that's not how debate in the General Forum works.

You have accused people of ganging up on you. If you refuse to provide proof and a group points it out, it's not ganging up on you. If they follow you around specifically to harass you for your beliefs, THAT'S ganging up on you. That's not what's happening here.

Admiral Canaris, this thread has no value because you refuse to debate it. Strangely enough, you complain that people insult and attack you -- which is precisely what you've been doing to them.

Learn to debate, and do NOT post anything linking to videos intimating murder, thank you very much. Your behavior here and on other threads have me wondering if debate is really what you're after, anyway.

Thread closed.
Nodinia
22-04-2007, 15:11
I wonder what kind of patch you get awarded for a first successful beheading?