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He will this summer. Laurence Fishburne, best known as Morpheus in the Matrix and who often played high ranking gangsters in his film career, will be voicing the Silver Surfer in "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer." Besides, what better to do with a bad comic-to-movie adaptation than make a sequel and make the Silver Surfer a black gangster.

but fantastic 4 was shit why the prequel :confused:

and silver surfer should have a much more powerful voice if you ask me...

How about Morgan Freeman?

Considering the first movie wasn't that good makes me suspicious of a second one. I do think the special effects is pretty cool though. Saw a clip of the Silver Surfer and Human Torch and it was great. Beyond that, I don't have much faith in this film at all.

but fantastic 4 was shit why the prequel :confused:

and silver surfer should have a much more powerful voice if you ask me...

James Earl Jones?

Fantastic Four was rubbish. Easily worse than X-Men by a long shot (shoulda been Alpha Flight anyway).

Re Silver Surfer...is it a straight CGI or mixed action do you know? Why do I have a feeling this will also be a pants film...?

and silver surfer should have a much more powerful voice if you ask me...

How is Fishburn's voice not "powerful"? I think he's a highly engaging speaker. When he talks I want to hear what he has to say. That, IMO, is the very deffinition of "powerful" in that respect.

James Earl Jones?

worked for Vader: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0rwG39Jzk

Besides, what better to do with a bad comic-to-movie adaptation than make a sequel and make the Silver Surfer a black gangster.

A CGI rendered character who is voiced by a black actor who (among his many parts) has portrayed gangsters in the past is not the same thing as "a black gangster", Mr. Imus.

If Laurence Fishburne could play motherfucking Othello (and get nominated for an Oscar for his performance), I am sure that he just might be ready for 'the Silver Surfer':rolleyes:

I didn't mind the F4. I felt it was lacking in some areas, but they did a good job on setting it up for the next movie.
Sorta like what happened in X-Men. The first movie wasn't that great, but it laid very solid foundations for II, which was the best of the 3.
Looking fwd to seeing the Silver Surfer in action

If Laurence Fishburne could play motherfucking Othello (and get nominated for an Oscar for his performance), I am sure that he just might be ready for 'the Silver Surfer':rolleyes:
I was making a point, Fishburne doesn't strike me as Silver Surfer.

He will this summer. Laurence Fishburne, best known as Morpheus in the Matrix and who often played high ranking gangsters in his film career, will be voicing the Silver Surfer in "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer." Besides, what better to do with a bad comic-to-movie adaptation than make a sequel and make the Silver Surfer a black gangster.

You're thinking narrowly, Mr Pantless. A quick read of the IMDB shows more roles than simple gangster characters.

Word.

Yeah the first FF4 movie kind of sucked. I don't know why I've watched it like 5 times...

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/fantastic_four/jessica_alba/fantastic1.jpg

Honestly, Jessica Alba is nothing special.

He will this summer. Laurence Fishburne, best known as Morpheus in the Matrix and who often played high ranking gangsters in his film career, will be voicing the Silver Surfer in "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer." Besides, what better to do with a bad comic-to-movie adaptation than make a sequel and make the Silver Surfer a black gangster.

who would you expect? Patrick Stewart? Robbin Williams?

I was making a point, Fishburne doesn't strike me as Silver Surfer.I made a point too. It was a none-too-subtle point regarding the probable reasoning (or lack thereof) behind your opinion. I think that the wording of your opening post made that clear.

Buts lets assume for the moment that we've had a little misunderstanding. Which of Mr. Fishburne's characteristics strike you as unsuitable for the part? What exactly are you looking for in the voice of the Surfer?

You're thinking narrowly, Mr Pantless. A quick read of the IMDB shows more roles than simple gangster characters.
In fact it takes more than a quick read (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000401/) to even find a gangster role. If he is noted for something it is actually playing characters of authority and presence. What more could you want in the voice of the Surfer.

Pantless, I don't think you actually understand the nature of the Surfer.

And you certainly need to move out of whatever lilly white suburb you live in that made you think Laurence Fishburne was 'gangster.'
A CGI rendered character who is voiced by a black actor who (among his many parts) has portrayed gangsters in the past is not the same thing as "a black gangster", Mr. Imus.

If Laurence Fishburne could play motherfucking Othello (and get nominated for an Oscar for his performance), I am sure that he just might be ready for 'the Silver Surfer':rolleyes:
The truth, Ruth.

I was making a point, Fishburne doesn't strike me as Silver Surfer.
Oh you made a point, just not the one you intended.

As long as we don't get Chris Tucker voicing Galactus (and not because he's black), I can live with Cowboy Curtis as the chrome streaker.

He did alright as Morpheus, and Bumpy Johnson was played as articulate.
He's grown a lot since "gold toothed rapist #3" or whatever he played in Death Wish II.

Honestly, Jessica Alba is nothing special.
Blasphemer.

I made a point too. It was a none-too-subtle point regarding the probable reasoning (or lack thereof) behind your opinion. I think that the wording of your opening post made that clear.
Your point was a powerful black actor played the black titular character in a Shakespeare play.

Oh you made a point, just not the one you intended.
I can only assume it is the implication that I have only seen 4 movies with Lawrence Fishburne in them, 2 where he was a gangster, 1 where he voiced a gangster, and 1 where he was the head of a band of characters who were effectively terrorists. That is the kind of thing that gets an actor typecast. I suppose you have heard that expression before?


Notice I'm not saying anything about him narrating TMNT because that is something I can see working.

No, he sounds like a herald of Galactus, duh...

He should obviously be voiced by Sean Connery.

No. Just no.

What would be funny is the Silver Surfer sounded like a California Surfer. Can you imagine.

"Dude are you like part of the Fantastic Four cool flames ... and like why are you like following me"

I don't see what the fuss is about. Larry Fishburne has a wonderful voice. My biggest concern is that a big-screen retelling of the Norrin Radd/Silver Surfer saga now hinges on the relative success of a sub-par comicbook film franchise offering.

The story of the Silver Surfer is far more compelling than the soap opera that is the Fantastic Four.

Your point was a powerful black actor played the black titular character in a Shakespeare play.



Well this is true, Othello was black, and Fishburn did a good job portraying a black main character.

Now...what color is the surfer?

how many metallic skinned actors are there in hollywood? Do you presume he's white under that?

Now, let's ignore all of this and focus on one point. The silver surfer's real name is Norrin Radd. He's a fucking ALIEN.

He's a character of indeterminant race, and even if we knew his race, we wouldn't have any base line characteristics to compare it to because HE IS AN ALIEN.

He could sound like urkel for all we know.

He's also a comic book character. Look at his speech bubbles and you'll get an idea:rolleyes:

edit- or not... I could have sworn that he had a special looking speech bubble, but I was wrong appearantly.
He's still a comic character though. Strong slightly echo-y voice I think.

He will this summer. Laurence Fishburne, best known as Morpheus in the Matrix and who often played high ranking gangsters in his film career, will be voicing the Silver Surfer in "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer." Besides, what better to do with a bad comic-to-movie adaptation than make a sequel and make the Silver Surfer a black gangster.

I hope not. Besides, nobody will even know he's black. The Surfer has silver skin. (This guy guest starred on MASH once)

You got that right. They should scrap the Fantastic Four and make it about Silver Surfer. The story is much better.

Batman is still my favorite and best comic book movie to date.

Beats the hell out of Spiderman. I have to admit Spiderman was pretty good.

Way better than Superman, any version.

X-Men not too bad but not great either

Punisher, ehhh alright I suppose

Daredevil not too bad

Electra not too bad

Hellboy, pretty good but not as good

Constantine, terrible and the most dissappointing they really need to cast a British person for this role. They really need to redo this one. It has so much potential.

How is Fishburn's voice not "powerful"? I think he's a highly engaging speaker. When he talks I want to hear what he has to say. That, IMO, is the very deffinition of "powerful" in that respect.

Agreed. I'm actually looking forward to the movie more now that I know he's doing the voice part.

I can only assume it is the implication that I have only seen 4 movies with Lawrence Fishburne in them, 2 where he was a gangster, 1 where he voiced a gangster, and 1 where he was the head of a band of characters who were effectively terrorists. That is the kind of thing that gets an actor typecast. I suppose you have heard that expression before?


Notice I'm not saying anything about him narrating TMNT because that is something I can see working.
Nooo, what's 'type casting' him right now is your inability apparently to see black actors as anything but 'gangster', again I have to say it-

Seriously, move out of whatever lilly white suburb you live in that makes you think Laurence Fishburne is 'gangster.'

Look at his list of credits, if he's type cast as anything it is as an articulate character of authority. Was Dr. Joshua Larabee in Akeela and the Bee a gangster? Sgt Whitey Powers (theres a name for you) in Mystic River? Was Hannibal Lee in The Tuskegee Airmen 'gangster'? Professor Maurice Phips in Higher Learning, was he a gangster professor? Etc.

He has over 71 credits, you've seen two and have typecast him as a gangster? Have you even met a black person? Cause you sound like someone's grandma who's still living in some white rural oasis.

Further, do you know how acting works? That an actor portrays different characters, using different mannerisms and intonations depending on what the needs of that character are? Are you somehow afraid that if the Surfer is voiced by a black actor he'll call Reed Richards "My nigga?"

Is it possible not to have strong feelings about this? I'm a fan of the Silver Surfer but I don't care how they mess it up. I'd be happier if they didn't but it seems to be if it doesn't have Spiderman written somewhere on it, the comic book movie adaption is going to disappoint. I'm also a fan of Ghost Rider and fuck.... how can they have Nicolas Cage and still make it unwatchable? After Ghost Rider, I am left with only weak pangs; not strong feelings.

Nooo, what's 'type casting' him right now is your inability apparently to see black actors as anything but 'gangster',
Oh of course, Laurence Fishburne is all black actors, of course. I didn't realize that the one is the many.

Seriously, move out of whatever lilly white suburb you live in that makes you think Laurence Fishburne is 'gangster.'
type·cast /ˈtaɪpˌkæst, -ˌkɑst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tahyp-kast, -kahst] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -cast, -cast·ing. Theater.
1. to cast (a performer) in a role that requires characteristics of physique, manner, personality, etc., similar to those possessed by the performer.
2. to cast (a performer) repeatedly in a kind of role closely patterned after that of the actor's previous successes.


Look at his list of credits, if he's type cast as anything it is as an articulate character of authority.
How many of those have you personally seen?

He has over 71 credits, you've seen two and have typecast him as a gangster?
Now 2 = 4 as well as Laurence Fishburne = all black actors.. You must be a mathematician.

Further, do you know how acting works? That an actor portrays different characters
Let's go back to typecasting.

Oh of course, Laurence Fishburne is all black actors, of course. I didn't realize that the one is the many.
If you conclude that Fishburne is 'gangster' then it is one of the only conclusions that can be had.


type·cast /ˈtaɪpˌkæst, -ˌkɑst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tahyp-kast, -kahst] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -cast, -cast·ing. Theater.
1. to cast (a performer) in a role that requires characteristics of physique, manner, personality, etc., similar to those possessed by the performer.
2. to cast (a performer) repeatedly in a kind of role closely patterned after that of the actor's previous successes.
Hey, you can look things up in the dictionary. Good for you. You get a gold star-
http://www.ycpd.org/images/gold%20star.jpg

So...this proves your point...how?





How many of those have you personally seen?
Quite a few more than you, apparently. I'd actually say about a third of them. Bit of a fan.




Now 2 = 4 as well as Laurence Fishburne = all black actors.. You must be a mathematician.
4 out of 71=typecast. You must be an isolated suburbanite.




Let's go back to typecasting.
Good, you might then be able to explain how it helps you.

If you conclude that Fishburne is 'gangster' then it is one of the only conclusions that can be had.
Of course, your entirely absurd assertion that I think all black actors are 'gangsters' is a far better explanation than the reason I already gave you.

So...this proves your point...how?
I wouldn't need to prove my point to some one who could read and wasn't going knee-jerk racism. You need to call up and consult Al Sharpton on how to start a nationwide picketing of my house?


Quite a few more than you, apparently. I'd actually say about a third of them. Bit of a fan.
I've seen 4. The Matrix Trilogy, Assault on Precinct 13, Osmosis Jones, and a gangster movie set in the 1930s that I can't place. It may have been Hoodlum but I didn't see all of it and what I did see doesn't seem to fit with what I have read about it. All I know is he ends up slitting some fat cops throat with two switchblades then at the end stabbing some guy or shooting him in the back of the head in a church.


4 out of 71=typecast. You must be an isolated suburbanite.
Should I base my typecasting on movies I havn't seen? And you still havn't explained how 2 = 4.

Of course, your entirely absurd assertion that I think all black actors are 'gangsters' is a far better explanation than the reason I already gave you.
Your explanation fell short and was demonstrated as lacking.


I wouldn't need to prove my point to some one who could read and wasn't going knee-jerk racism. You need to call up and consult Al Sharpton on how to start a nationwide picketing of my house?
I read what you said. You've seen four movies from a guy who has been in 71, half of them had him as a gangster and so to you he's typecast as a gangster. Whole classes are taught, whole films are made, essays written, lectures given, on this brand of 'polite' racism.





I've seen 4. The Matrix Trilogy, Assault on Precinct 13, Osmosis Jones, and a gangster movie set in the 1930s that I can't place. It may have been Hoodlum but I didn't see all of it and what I did see doesn't seem to fit with what I have read about it. All I know is he ends up slitting some fat cops throat with two switchblades then at the end stabbing some guy or shooting him in the back of the head in a church.
Wow, that's damning. A science fiction series, a kids cartoon, a remake and a movie you can't really remember. Get ye to Hollywood immediately so you can set peoples Q rating, you insightful bastard you.

And one of your example films is Osmosis Jones? Seriously? You're not embarrassed by this, even a little bit?

Should I base my typecasting on movies I havn't seen?
You should pull your head out of your ass and realize that you have not seen a representative sample of a prolific actors work and stop embarrassing yourself.
And you still havn't explained how 2 = 4.
Maybe you'd like to find a spelling or grammar mistake to harp on, too. Seeing as your position is so weak that it's your only hope of being even kind of right.

my big question is how in fuck can you consider morpheus "gangster"?

Your explanation fell short and was demonstrated as lacking.
By who? Some one who is intentionally dismissing my explanations in a knee-jerk response?

You've seen four movies from a guy who has been in 71, half of them had him as a gangster
3 had him as a gangster and one was close enough.

and so to you he's typecast as a gangster.
Let me see, I've seen 4 movies with him as a gangster and no others hmm, what would be my most likely role to typecast him as...
Should I base my opinions on films I know nothing about, much less seen?

Wow, that's damning. A science fiction series, a kids cartoon, a remake and a movie you can't really remember.
Your attempt at attacking me fails. I don't fail to notice the very obvious tangent you are bouncing off on in order to insult me.

And one of your example films is Osmosis Jones? Seriously? You're not embarrassed by this, even a little bit?
If you want to start making idiotically based insults, we can play that game.

You should pull your head out of your ass and realize that you have not seen a representative sample of a prolific actors work
And of course one black actor is representative of all of them, huh.

and stop embarrassing yourself.
You should be embarrassed, Senior High and Mighty. Your logic is flawed and where you can't insinuate I'm a racist, you pull ad hominems out of your ass while insulting me along irrelevant tangents.

Maybe you'd like to find a spelling or grammar mistake to harp on, too. Seeing as your position is so weak that it's your only hope of being even kind of right.
Right? Right on what? Do I have to prove my opinion right to you? I wasn't aware stating my opinion constituted a two answer test.

He also played Ike Turner. Silver Surfer is a wife beater! :eek:

He also played Ike Turner. Silver Surfer is a wife beater! :eek:Obviously.

By who? Some one who is intentionally dismissing my explanations in a knee-jerk response?
You might want to use those dictionary skills you demonstrated earlier, I don't think you understand 'knee jerk.' I gave you more examples of the mans work that were not gangster roles than movies by the man you've seen.

Your argument was "I've only seen four of the mans movies so him voicing The Silver Surfer makes the Surfer 'gangster.'" I have demonstrated that Fishburne plays far more than just gangster roles, that he does in fact play articulate characters of authority (two distinct factors that make up the character of the Surfer, if you knew anything about that character), and that considering black actors 'gangster' from a handful of roles is a well documented social phenomenon in American society.

You have countered with some whining about being labeled racist and a dictionary entry. In fact, you have made a snap judgment about the quality of an actor based on very few roles. I would submit that it is you who is being knee-jerk.


3 had him as a gangster and one was close enough.
By that last criteria, Sir Alec Guiness is gangster.


Let me see, I've seen 4 movies with him as a gangster and no others hmm, what would be my most likely role to typecast him as...
Should I base my opinions on films I know nothing about, much less seen?
You should not base opinions on such a small sample of a mans work, nor publicly declare that your opinion based on such a small sample will shape peoples perception of the character he will play next and expect people not to think you're silly at best.


Your attempt at attacking me fails. I don't fail to notice the very obvious tangent you are bouncing off on in order to insult me.
I don't have to insult you. Everyone can see what you wrote.


If you want to start making idiotically based insults, we can play that game.
It wasn't an insult, it was a question. I can see how you might not recognize the difference.


And of course one black actor is representative of all of them, huh.
Ah, your reading skills are lacking. I guess that serves as some degree of explanation as to how you can make such an incredible leap as "I've seen four movies so he must be gangster."

When I said, "You should pull your head out of your ass and realize that you have not seen a representative sample of a prolific actors work" I was talking about Fishburne. Now you might be trying to make some stretch to connecting your impression of a single actor as applying to all black actors, but that makes just as little sense as anything else you've said.

The fact of the matter is, you've seen remarkably few of the mans movies and have typecast him in your head. Whether you realize it or not, that is a product of how race is perceived in American culture.

You should be embarrassed, Senior High and Mighty. Your logic is flawed and where you can't insinuate I'm a racist, you pull ad hominems out of your ass while insulting me along irrelevant tangents.
You have not shown the flaw in my logic, only demonstrated how small your sample was before you made your ridiculous conclusion.


Right? Right on what? Do I have to prove my opinion right to you? I wasn't aware stating my opinion constituted a two answer test.
Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it's right. Your 'opinion' that Fishburne is typecast as a gangster is flawed. You've been shown more characters of authority-hell, you've been shown as many roles where he played a teacher as you've seen him play a gangster. Your opinion that Fishburne's voice will make The Silver Surfer 'gangster' is unsubstantiated.

But now I feel like a dude arguing with a 10 year old in a grocery store line who insists that he's seen Leonard Part's 1-5 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093405/). Kinda pointless. My point has been made, and really was evident to anyone who has read this thread without me having to say anything.

He also played Ike Turner. Silver Surfer is a wife beater! :eek:

"This is some good cake. Hey, Reed, try some of this cake...I said, 'try some of this cake.' Dammit, don't make me get power cosmic, now, eat this motherfucking cake!"

Is it possible not to have strong feelings about this? I'm a fan of the Silver Surfer but I don't care how they mess it up. I'd be happier if they didn't but it seems to be if it doesn't have Spiderman written somewhere on it, the comic book movie adaption is going to disappoint. I'm also a fan of Ghost Rider and fuck.... how can they have Nicolas Cage and still make it unwatchable? After Ghost Rider, I am left with only weak pangs; not strong feelings.

The only thing that saddens me more than their portrayal of Ghost Rider is that the damn thing made money, meaning that they're going to let the guy who date raped Daredevil, Elektra, and Ghost Rider do it again...not to mention fucking Prayer for Owen Meany so bad that Irving had him change the name...makes me wonder if Grumpy Old Men was a fluke or not as funny as I remember it...come to think of it, the only part I remember is Burgess Meredith riffing euphemisms for sex...("He's takin' the skin boat to tuna town," man that dude was great.)

I gave you more examples of the mans work that were not gangster roles than movies by the man you've seen.
3rd time. Am I suppose to base my opinions and impressions, especially those before the fact, on movies I have not heard of, much less seen?

Your argument was "I've only seen four of the mans movies so him voicing The Silver Surfer makes the Surfer 'gangster.'" I have demonstrated that Fishburne plays far more than just gangster roles, that he does in fact play articulate characters of authority (two distinct factors that make up the character of the Surfer, if you knew anything about that character), and that considering black actors 'gangster' from a handful of roles is a well documented social phenomenon in American society.
This still doesn't explain how you came to the conclusion that I believed Laurence Fishburne represents all black actors.

You have countered with some whining about being labeled racist
Then maybe you shouldn't attempt to insinuate I'm a racist?

In fact, you have made a snap judgement about the quality of an actor based on very few roles.
The ones I have seen.

By that last criteria, Sir Alec Guiness is gangster.
I make no opinions based on some one whose work I have no seen.

You should not base opinions on such a small sample of a mans work,
This is becoming incompetently redundant.


I don't have to insult you. Everyone can see what you wrote.
With a little help from your insinuations of course?


It wasn't an insult, it was a question.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was as stupid as you take me to be. Maybe you should step up your bullshit so it isn't so god damn obvious.

I can see how you might not recognize the difference.
Or maybe it is you who is so lacking that he doesn't realize that anything can be an insult based on phrasing? That would be ironic would it not?


Ah, your reading skills are lacking.
According to Mr Two is Four and Laurence Fishburne is all black actors.

Now you might be trying to make some stretch to connecting your impression of a single actor as applying to all black actors, but that makes just as little sense as anything else you've said.
I can only assume you are talking to yourself, something I wouldn't put past you at this point, because you are the only person who somehow developed the idea Laurence Fishburne is all black actors.

The fact of the matter is, you've seen remarkably few of the mans movies and have typecast him in your head. Whether you realize it or not, that is a product of how race is perceived in American culture.
You sure you arn't going to call up Sharpton to rally a picketing of my house? You are the only person relating my comments to race, of which they had nothing to do with. You are the only person insinuating Laurence Fishburne is representative of all black actors. You arn't so much putting words in my mouth as cutting out my dialogue and inserting your own based on either a knee-jerk reaction to all perceived racism or the fact you are really a closet racist.

But now I feel like a dude arguing with a 10 year old in a grocery store line who insists that he's seen
I feel like I am arguing with some comprehensionally challened pundit on some idiotic talk show.

3rd time. Am I suppose to base my opinions and impressions, especially those before the fact, on movies I have not heard of, much less seen?


For the 4th time, then, you should not make such a broad assumption about an actor, especially saying he has been 'typecast' on so few of his films.

For the rest of it it is really just more of your boring stomping around the room going, "I'mnotI'mnotI'mnot! Why don't you just accept what I say without questioning me you big meany!?!" and it's tiring.

You know, most people would not have bothered to put forth an opinion they themselves admit is uninformed and lacking.

The fact that you'd actually come here and try to argue a position you ADMIT is based on incomplete information is like...you know what, I don't even have a similie to describe how stupid that is.
Oh of course, not only am I apparently a racist for asserting my impression of an actor from the movies I have seen, I am below all the people here who have never formed an opinion based on lacking information, much less information they did not know the existence of.

3rd time. Am I suppose to base my opinions and impressions, especially those before the fact, on movies I have not heard of, much less seen?.

You know, most people would not have bothered to put forth an opinion they themselves admit is uninformed and lacking.

The fact that you'd actually come here and try to argue a position you ADMIT is based on incomplete information is like...you know what, I don't even have a similie to describe how stupid that is.

You are not supposed to base your opinions and impressions on movies you have not heard of.

You're not supposed to form opinions at all until you have taken steps to ensure what the fuck you are talking about.

Coming here and arguing how Fishburn is "typecast" as a ganster role when you admit you've seen almost nothing of his work, and one of the four roles you have seen can not in the slightest be described as "ganters" is just lunacy. Why would you even come here when you already admit you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

Also, let us not go into how when I say gangster I am referring to the gangster of the early to mid-1900s America where the rest of you are insinuating it is the current gang culture and making quotes with a racial intonation.

Fucking hypocrites.

EDIT: Correction, I feel like I am arguing with Jack Thompson over the cause of school shootings.

Also, let us not go into how when I say gangster I am referring to the gangster of the early to mid-1900s America where the rest of you are insinuating it is the current gang culture and making quotes with a racial intonation.

Fucking hypocrites.

What? WHAT? A sci-fi film, a modern film, a cartoon, and ONE period gangster piece and that's the impression you got?

Did you seriously just make your already weak assertion even weaker by making it ONE FUCKING ROLE?
EDIT: And it's the movie you haven't really seen????[/edit]

Are you funning us?

Did you seriously just make your already weak assertion even weaker by making it ONE FUCKING ROLE?
Oh, so now four is one as well as two. Definitely a mathematician.

Um, when you say "gangster" in reference to a BLACK actor, and don't in any way note that you're talking more capone and less 50 cent, it's not OUR fault we get the wrong impression.

Seriously what the hell did you think we'd think you meant?
I thought you people were the Laurence Fishburne experts. As such you would know the gangster movies he was in were period.

Wait, are you making judgments about me and what I meant based on one statement, effectively typecasting me? Totally not hypocritical.

Also, let us not go into how when I say gangster I am referring to the gangster of the early to mid-1900s America

What...the....fuck?

where the rest of you are insinuating it is the current gang culture and making quotes with a racial intonation.

Um, when you say "gangster" in reference to a BLACK actor, and don't in any way note that you're talking more capone and less 50 cent, it's not OUR fault we get the wrong impression.

Seriously what the hell did you think we'd think you meant? Especially when only ONE of those movies was in any way a period piece and morpheus can't in ANY reasonable way be compared to a 20s prohibition era gangster.

Seriously, what are you expecting the surfer to do? Grab johnny storm by the throat and go "now this is our neighborhood, see? You tell the coppers to stay out of the west side or jimmy and vinnie are gonna send you to sleep with the fishes"

Honestly, this has to be the lamest thread this month. Who cares what some small-minded cat has to say about a performance he hasn't seen in a movie that has yet to be released?
This is more totally not hypocrisy.

Oh, so now four is one as well as two. Definitely a mathematician.

You said early to mid-century gangster. Of your four examples:
Matrix-sci fi. Not early to mid-20th century gangster.
Osmosis Jones-cartoon about viruses and white blood cells...not exactly the domain of Eliot Ness...
Assault on Precinct 13- Modern era film. Not early to mid-20th century.
Hoodlum (you think)- Period piece. Yay, got one to fit the criteria you just stated.

Lets check the totals-we'll give films that fit your new criteria the value of 1 and ones that don't 0.
Matrix - 0
Osmosis Jones - 0
Assault on Precinct 13 - 0
Hoodlum - 1
=
1

Surely you can follow that without visual aids?

The only thing that saddens me more than their portrayal of Ghost Rider is that the damn thing made money, meaning that they're going to let the guy who date raped Daredevil, Elektra, and Ghost Rider do it again...not to mention fucking Prayer for Owen Meany so bad that Irving had him change the name...makes me wonder if Grumpy Old Men was a fluke or not as funny as I remember it...come to think of it, the only part I remember is Burgess Meredith riffing euphemisms for sex...("He's takin' the skin boat to tuna town," man that dude was great.)

I had no idea the director of Ghost Rider was in charge of so much crap (Burgess Meredith and skin boat tuna town excluded). The only positive thing I can think of is at least this gives fledgling directors hope that they can achieve their dreams of making tons of money off of mediocrity.

Also, let us not go into how when I say gangster I am referring to the gangster of the early to mid-1900s America...

*pats* Sure you were, buddy, sure you were...

Honestly, this has to be the lamest thread this month. Who cares what some small-minded cat has to say about a performance he hasn't seen, by an actor he isn't familiar with, in a movie that has yet to be released?

Wait, are you making judgments about me and what I meant based on one statement, effectively typecasting me? Totally not hypocritical.

No, I said you were being stupid for making a stupid statement, thus I judge the stupid statement based on the qualities of the statement I ascribe as "stupid"

It doesn't mean you make other comments that are equally stupid. But this statement, judged soley on the quality of the statement...is pretty fucking stupid.

This is more totally not hypocrisy.

Hunh? Care to clarify that phrase?

I thought you people were the Laurence Fishburne experts. As such you would know the gangster movies he was in were period.


Didn't you say he was a gangster in those four movies? Oh, yeah, I forgot. Osmosis Jones was totally period. I remember now.

Then you're going to come back and say "I said he was a gangster in those movies, not that they were all gangster movies, moron" (personal attack added for authenticity).

So, are you saying he was a period gangster in those four movies, or that he was some kind of gangster in all of them, and you got the period impression from just the one period movie? in which case, why the other three movies, if they weren't part of your typecast?

I'll always think of him as Larry Fishburne, as he was credited in Apocalypse Now.

I'm tired of this "TPH is a racist, lets all insult him and pretend he is too stupid to realize it then when he does realize it, pretend we were saying something else" circle jerk. Humor yourselves until this thread is closed.

Honestly, this has to be the lamest thread this month. Who cares what some small-minded cat has to say about a performance he hasn't seen, by an actor he isn't familiar with, in a movie that has yet to be released?

This is freaking bizarre.

I had no idea the director of Ghost Rider was in charge of so much crap (Burgess Meredith and skin boat tuna town excluded). The only positive thing I can think of is at least this gives fledgling directors hope that they can achieve their dreams of making tons of money off of mediocrity.
As if Paul W.S. Anderson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0027271/) wasn't enough. He's almost the American Uwe Boll...

Trying to remember his name I ran across this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758730/), either proving there is no god or if there is he cares little about the integrity of sci-fi franchises...

He will this summer. Laurence Fishburne, best known as Morpheus in the Matrix and who often played high ranking gangsters in his film career, will be voicing the Silver Surfer in "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer." Besides, what better to do with a bad comic-to-movie adaptation than make a sequel and make the Silver Surfer a black gangster.

Just in case you'd forgotten the stupidity you'd posted in the OP.

Nothing you've said since then has done anything but make you look more foolish.

This is freaking bizarre.

I just figured we all simultaneously had nothing better to do.

As if Paul W.S. Anderson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0027271/) wasn't enough. He's almost the American Uwe Boll...

Trying to remember his name I ran across this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758730/), either proving there is no god or if there is he cares little about the integrity of sci-fi franchises...

Aw, poor guy. I feel like we should do something for him. Like put him to bed and feed him tomato soup and crackers and keep movie crews a safe distance away from him.

Just in case you'd forgotten the stupidity you'd posted in the OP.

Nothing you've said since then has done anything but make you look more foolish.

And even if they cast Larry Fishburne as Norrin Radd in a sequel - who cares? Norrin Radd is an alien from the planet Zenn-La. He could just as easily be played by a bald black guy as a bald white guy. I think what's rather more important than skin colour is having good credentials as an actor.

I thought Chris Rock had the right idea regarding Spider-Man, btw. His take on Peter Parker was that he was meant to represent a sort of "Everyman" for Brooklyn of the early sixties - and if that's supposed to hold true to the 21st century, it'd've made a whole lot more sense for Parker to have been played by a black actor.

Just in case you'd forgotten the stupidity you'd posted in the OP.

Nothing you've said since then has done anything but make you look more foolish.

Teehee...forget the OP, how about now?

I would like my thread closed immediately if not sooner. What was at worst a bad typecasting of an excellent actor and worthy of debating on the topic is quickly turning into a debate of how I am somehow a racist which has nothing to do with anything, much less this topic.

So many levels of sillyness. :p

I thought Chris Rock had the right idea regarding Spider-Man, btw. His take on Peter Parker was that he was meant to represent a sort of "Everyman" for Brooklyn of the early sixties - and if that's supposed to hold true to the 21st century, it'd've made a whole lot more sense for Parker to have been played by a black actor.

That's actually quite interesting...

I thought Chris Rock had the right idea regarding Spider-Man, btw. His take on Peter Parker was that he was meant to represent a sort of "Everyman" for Brooklyn of the early sixties - and if that's supposed to hold true to the 21st century, it'd've made a whole lot more sense for Parker to have been played by a black actor.

Bah, I'm to young for all this comic book stuff. I only know Spiderman for constant banter in a fight.

That's actually quite interesting...

Black superheroes still have a long way to come. Creators are still patting themselves on the back if they have one that doesn't have 'black' as part of their name...

And the Silver Surfer is known for his tortured, soul-searching monologues and philosophising. The more I think about it, the more Larry Fishburne seems like the right fit for the part.

That's pretty much what I thought.

Bah, I'm to young for all this comic book stuff. I only know Spiderman for constant banter in a fight.

And the Silver Surfer is known for his tortured, soul-searching monologues and philosophising. The more I think about it, the more Larry Fishburne seems like the right fit for the part.

And the Silver Surfer is known for his tortured, soul-searching monologues and philosophising. The more I think about it, the more Larry Fishburne seems like the right fit for the part.

...I remember Silver Skeeter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doug_characters), does that count?

SRSLY though, it should be interesting to see.

Black superheroes still have a long way to come. Creators are still patting themselves on the back if they have one that doesn't have 'black' as part of their name...

I just found this when I typed in black superheroes into google http://www.blacksuperhero.com/gallery1/01gallery.html

...I remember Silver Skeeter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doug_characters), does that count?

SRSLY though, it should be interesting to see.

A little past my time, I fear - but I agree about the interest. As I'd said earlier in this thread, my chief concern is that by tying an extremely complex character and storyline (the Surfer) in with a fairly weak franchise (the F.F.), the movie execs might, on the basis of poor box-office, red-light a full-blown Surfer project, or at least skimp on the budget to the extent that such a project would be yet another straight-to-DVD piece of crap - and that prospect just leaves me cold.

I just found this when I typed in black superheroes into google http://www.blacksuperhero.com/gallery1/01gallery.html

That's an interesting site, I'm going to tag it for more thorough reading later. Thanks man.

Maybe the execs would back a Silver Surfer origin story without as much FF stuff if they brought in Charlize Theron and Halle Berry as Galactus' bisexual nymphomaniacal persona assistants.

Maybe the execs would back a Silver Surfer origin story without as much FF stuff if they brought in Charlize Theron and Halle Berry as Galactus' bisexual nymphomaniacal persona assistants.

Halle Berry would make a delightful Shalla Bal to Fishburne's Norrin Radd, I'll grant you that.

A little past my time, I fear - but I agree about the interest. As I'd said earlier in this thread, my chief concern is that by tying an extremely complex character and storyline (the Surfer) in with a fairly weak franchise (the F.F.), the movie execs might, on the basis of poor box-office, red-light a full-blown Surfer project, or at least skimp on the budget to the extent that such a project would be yet another straight-to-DVD piece of crap - and that prospect just leaves me cold.

After the first FF I agree, I don't have much faith in them pulling off the Surfer as anything but annoying...though the chase had some bad ass elements in it, but bad ass flying is barely a fraction of what makes the Surfer compelling.

Though really I think a microbudget independent is the only way to do him. I had joked about doing that before I knew this was coming, just have it be a series of college film-esque beauty shots with the Surfer's internal mologue voice over punctuated occasionally by him smacking down a menace like a fly without losing his train of thought except maybe to bitch about how this planet doesn't deserve him and how he wants to go home.

BUT-I am glad that superhero movies are starting to populate the superhero worlds with other superheroes. A society with multiple super heroes is as much part of the story of those characters as is the costume, and both things are often shirked when making the transition to film.

just have it be a series of college film-esque beauty shots with the Surfer's internal mologue voice over punctuated occasionally by him smacking down a menace like a fly without losing his train of thought except maybe to bitch about how this planet doesn't deserve him and how he wants to go home.

I think they want people to actually come watch the movie.

I think they want people to actually come watch the movie.

They can want a lot of things.

I think they want people to actually come watch the movie.

Well, people will come to watch the Silver Surfer story adapted for film, I don't think that's in doubt. The original story is both heart-wrenching and inspiring, and the character of Norrin Radd has far greater depth than most other Marvel heroes. It wouldn't do to see him played by some wooden, off-the-shelf B-movie star, or to have the story dumbed down sufficiently to get the average Jethro and his brood of inbred backwater mutants inside a movie theatre.

After the first FF I agree, I don't have much faith in them pulling off the Surfer as anything but annoying...though the chase had some bad ass elements in it, but bad ass flying is barely a fraction of what makes the Surfer compelling.

Agreed, much and all as that chase teaser is cool beyond words.

Though really I think a microbudget independent is the only way to do him. I had joked about doing that before I knew this was coming, just have it be a series of college film-esque beauty shots with the Surfer's internal mologue voice over punctuated occasionally by him smacking down a menace like a fly without losing his train of thought except maybe to bitch about how this planet doesn't deserve him and how he wants to go home.

I like the idea of an internal monologue, but I always saw him as literally talking to himself while coasting along (I think the internal monologue would be much better suited to Deathlok, which I understand is also in development, but not to be based on the original, early-70s comic - instead it's being built around some fairly weak-sounding 90s redux that doesn't have much of anything to do with that way cool old title). I'd kinda want someone who could really put some body language into a monologue, à la Shatner, even. Someone who knows how to gesticulate and chew scenery.

BUT-I am glad that superhero movies are starting to populate the superhero worlds with other superheroes. A society with multiple super heroes is as much part of the story of those characters as is the costume, and both things are often shirked when making the transition to film.

Yeah, it would be good to see some eventual cross-pollination of heros and villains in the shared universe that is New York. :p

I just hope it goes well enough that we get a decent Surfer flick out of it. My guess is that if FF2 succeeds, they'll probably journey to the Negative Zone in FF3. Like I'd care...

Agreed, much and all as that chase teaser is cool beyond words.



I like the idea of an internal monologue, but I always saw him as literally talking to himself while coasting along (I think the internal monologue would be much better suited to Deathlok, which I understand is also in development, but not to be based on the original, early-70s comic - instead it's being built around some fairly weak-sounding 90s redux that doesn't have much of anything to do with that way cool old title). I'd kinda want someone who could really put some body language into a monologue, à la Shatner, even. Someone who knows how to gesticulate and chew scenery.



Yeah, it would be good to see some eventual cross-pollination of heros and villains in the shared universe that is New York. :p

I just hope it goes well enough that we get a decent Surfer flick out of it. My guess is that if FF2 succeeds, they'll probably journey to the Negative Zone in FF3. Like I'd care...
I don't know if I should hope for or dread the possibility of a ROM movie...

I don't know if I should hope for or dread the possibility of a ROM movie...

I'd sooner see a Micronauts project. Either the Marvel version, the Devil's Due redux, something in-between, or even something better... (my bias is showing of course, as I collect Micronauts/Microman figures...)

...or maybe Thor, provided they do a capable job of updating it.

I'd sooner see a Micronauts project. Either the Marvel version, the Devil's Due redux, something in-between, or even something better... (my bias is showing of course, as I collect Micronauts/Microman figures...)

...or maybe Thor, provided they do a capable job of updating it.

Well, they're going to try (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800369/)

That's an interesting site, I'm going to tag it for more thorough reading later. Thanks man.

Anytime. I don't know what I mean by that but there it is.

Well, they're going to try (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800369/)

I wanna see Thor and Loki beat the crap out of each other, mostly. Of course, I'll be rooting for Loki, but what the hey.

He will this summer. Laurence Fishburne, best known as Morpheus in the Matrix and who often played high ranking gangsters in his film career, will be voicing the Silver Surfer in "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer." Besides, what better to do with a bad comic-to-movie adaptation than make a sequel and make the Silver Surfer a black gangster.

Laurence Fishburne sounds like a gangster? :confused:

Laurence Fishburne sounds like a gangster? :confused:

...in movies where he plays a gangster, which apparently comprised the bulk of the OP's experience of Larry Fishburne's acting career, hence his misapprehension. It's inaccurate, but it's a small matter.

You like the Surfer, Mike?

...in movies where he plays a gangster, which apparently comprised the bulk of the OP's experience of Larry Fishburne's acting career, hence his misapprehension. It's inaccurate, but it's a small matter.

You like the Surfer, Mike?

To be honest, I never followed the Surfer stuff. I usually read X-Men, Ghost Rider and eventually the early Image stuff, before I just stopped wanting to spend so much money buying comic books.

What little I knew of the Silver Surfer came from the Marvel Super Heroes RPG.

I was under the impression that the Surfer was going to get his own movie; at least that's the way it was presented in the booklet they hand out to stockholders. Plans must have changed I guess.

He will this summer. Laurence Fishburne, best known as Morpheus in the Matrix and who often played high ranking gangsters in his film career, will be voicing the Silver Surfer in "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer." Besides, what better to do with a bad comic-to-movie adaptation than make a sequel and make the Silver Surfer a black gangster.

Maybe I just haven't met enough (any) black gangsters but Morpheus never sounded like a gangster to me.

To be honest, I never followed the Surfer stuff. I usually read X-Men, Ghost Rider and eventually the early Image stuff, before I just stopped wanting to spend so much money buying comic books.

What little I knew of the Silver Surfer came from the Marvel Super Heroes RPG.

I was under the impression that the Surfer was going to get his own movie; at least that's the way it was presented in the booklet they hand out to stockholders. Plans must have changed I guess.

Last I'd heard of a Surfer-Galactus origin movie, they were kicking around Vin Diesel as Norrin Radd - and I wouldn't have a problem with that choice of casting, provided the director was up to the task of demanding a decent performance of him. Like Gilliam did with Bruce Willis (who I'd always found annoying to watch) in Twelve Monkeys. Vin Diesel could be a decent Norrin Radd, but I'd still prefer the Surfer to be CG. Let them suit Vin up and use his performance to animate a Surfer simulacrum in post-processing, like Jackson did with Gollum in LOTR.

Last I'd heard of a Surfer-Galactus origin movie, they were kicking around Vin Diesel as Norrin Radd - and I wouldn't have a problem with that choice of casting, provided the director was up to the task of demanding a decent performance of him. Like Gilliam did with Bruce Willis (who I'd always found annoying to watch) in Twelve Monkeys. Vin Diesel could be a decent Norrin Radd, but I'd still prefer the Surfer to be CG. Let them suit Vin up and use his performance to animate a Surfer simulacrum in post-processing, like Jackson did with Gollum in LOTR.

Anything other than a CG silver surfer would be wrong. I was a little surprised that they didn't go with a CGI Thing in the FF movie to be honest. And I just can't see Vin Diesel as the Surfer. His build is wrong, his voice is wrong, and the role doesn't really match the types of characters he usually plays.

Anything other than a CG silver surfer would be wrong. I was a little surprised that they didn't go with a CGI Thing in the FF movie to be honest. And I just can't see Vin Diesel as the Surfer. His build is wrong, his voice is wrong, and the role doesn't really match the types of characters he usually plays.

Oh, but they are going CG for FF2. Apparently they got the same guy who performed as Abe Sapien in Hellboy to provide the motion data for their digital Surfer. It's just that the Surfer's voice will be performed by Fishburne.

But regarding Diesel, I disagree. I think his physicality is right, and like I said, in the hands of the right director (and okay, maybe a voice coach too), he could play that part.

Oh, but they are going CG for FF2. Apparently they got the same guy who performed as Abe Sapien in Hellboy to provide the motion data for their digital Surfer. It's just that the Surfer's voice will be performed by Fishburne.

But regarding Diesel, I disagree. I think his physicality is right, and like I said, in the hands of the right director (and okay, maybe a voice coach too), he could play that part.

The Thing will still be in that rubbery orange costume though right? I knew the Surfer would be digital.

As for Diesel, his build seems too big. I picture the surfer leaner looking. But stranger roles have been cast. (Really, Nick Cage as Ghost Rider? Such a waste of a cool character.)

Seriously, it should be told in the style of a Silver Surfer comic. Preferably the one where he fights a giant invisible green alien monster in New York, and everyone just assumes that he's trashing the city because it's a giant invisble green alien monster.

Didn't he fight the Flying Dutchman? And moan over the fact that humans had made yetis mean?

Maybe I just haven't met enough (any) black gangsters but Morpheus never sounded like a gangster to me.

You have to watch the director's cut. Instead of his famous "We are not afraid" speech at the cavern dance, he says "We ain't a bunch of punk-ass bitches!".

Seriously, it should be told in the style of a Silver Surfer comic. Preferably the one where he fights a giant invisible green alien monster in New York, and everyone just assumes that he's trashing the city because it's a giant invisble green alien monster.


Wait- how can something be both inviable and green? Is that like a Christian thing or something?

Obscure Laurence Fishburne Recording (http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/window/media/player/0,,230798-531492-WMLO,00.html)

Wait- how can something be both inviable and green? Is that like a Christian thing or something?

In this context, "green" refers to the alien monster's political and social beliefs.

In fact, the creature was attacking in response to the failed ratification of the Kyoto Accord.

"This is some good cake. Hey, Reed, try some of this cake...I said, 'try some of this cake.' Dammit, don't make me get power cosmic, now, eat this motherfucking cake!"

"Is Silver Surfer gonna have to choke a bitch?"

You have to watch the director's cut. Instead of his famous "We are not afraid" speech at the cavern dance, he says "We ain't a bunch of punk-ass bitches!".
Obviously I'm the racist one in this thread.

Obviously I'm the racist one in this thread.

If you change the the to an a, you'll have a true statement:)

Chris Rock!

Obviously I'm the racist one in this thread.

Get a towel.