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Police hand honours file to CPS
Scotland Yard's Assistant Commissioner John Yates
Assistant Commissioner John Yates has been heading up the inquiry
The file from the police investigation into whether people were nominated for honours in return for money has been handed over to prosecutors.

The year-long probe had widened in recent months to look into any attempt to pervert the course of justice.

Scotland Yard said that 136 people had been interviewed. They include Tony Blair and some of his closest aides.

The Crown Prosecution Service will now decide whether anyone should be charged. All involved deny wrongdoing.

This won't bring Liebur down. Which is a shame. Either way I wonder who will be charged....if anyone.

If there are charges I would be surprised if it was senior Liebur wonks...

I hope nothing brings Labour down.

I just hope someone brings Blair down...

Is it wrong that I'm waiting in anticipation for a good and bloody trial.

Frankly I don't care if this seriously damages the Labour party. If it can kick the party into not fighting over the middle ground with the Tories then I'd be happy. Basically I want the trial to kick start a resurgence from left that will push the Blairites and Brownites out because they have damaged the public's perception of the party. I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but I want a bloodless coup d'état, and I want to sit on the sidelines and watch whilst chomping on various snacks. :)

Oh I would be over joyed to see Liebur get kicked to the sidelines...like what happened to the Tories.

Of course that leaves the door open for the Lib Dem. Well although I have little time for them I seriously doubt they can cock things up like Blair and his cronies.

So yes...I want a trial. A big bloody 'break all the conventions' trial...

Is it wrong that I'm waiting in anticipation for a good and bloody trial.

Frankly I don't care if this seriously damages the Labour party. If it can kick the party into not fighting over the middle ground with the Tories then I'd be happy. Basically I want the trial to kick start a resurgence from left that will push the Blairites and Brownites out because they have damaged the public's perception of the party. I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but I want a bloodless coup d'état, and I want to sit on the sidelines and watch whilst chomping on various snacks. :)

I'd actually love to see a strong Opposition party as well...the Tories have no backbone and less credibility than Liebour.

Crown protection service? So that's what CPS means to you Brits.

Here in the states it has a whole 'nother meaning.

Oh I would be over joyed to see Liebur get kicked to the sidelines...like what happened to the Tories.

Of course that leaves the door open for the Lib Dem. Well although I have little time for them I seriously doubt they can cock things up like Blair and his cronies.

So yes...I want a trial. A big bloody 'break all the conventions' trial...

Emphasis on the bloody. I want someone to murder Blair!
No idea which party I'd want to replace Labour, though; none of the current parties really cater to my somewhat unconventional views.

Crown protection service? So that's what CPS means to you Brits.

Here in the states it has a whole 'nother meaning.

It actually stands for Crown Prosecution Service...

Emphasis on the bloody. I want someone to **** Blair!
No idea which party I'd want to replace Labour, though; none of the current parties really cater to my somewhat unconventional views.

Ummm.....not something you ought to be saying mate...be very careful. Remember the servers reside in the UK....

Oh I would be over joyed to see Liebur get kicked to the sidelines...like what happened to the Tories.

Of course that leaves the door open for the Lib Dem. Well although I have little time for them I seriously doubt they can cock things up like Blair and his cronies.

So yes...I want a trial. A big bloody 'break all the conventions' trial...Well what will happen (or what I would like to happen) is that Labour lose all credibility and the Tories win, but with the Lib Dems making strong gains. The tories continue to fuck things up and then get booted out in the next election. Everyone turns to the Lib Dems in deperation and they are elected at the next, but one, election. They are so shocked that they have finally gained power that they spend the next two years doing nothing, but gaping at everyone. They then get their arse in gear and make a few changes, like changing the electoral system to PR, and then focus on reelection. But because they haven't done much at all except gape they are ejected just like the previous two parties. However this time Labour has become more socialist, similar to their counterparts in Scandinavia and are elected - probably with a hung parliament, but the strongest party none the less. At this point history ends and every one is happy for ever and ever and ever, and we all live of renewable energy, and biofuels with proper social justice and lots of other fluffy things. :)

I'd actually love to see a strong Opposition party as well...the Tories have no backbone and less credibility than Liebour.Oh, I've just realised why you're been purposefully mispelling Labour... :( I r slow.

It actually stands for Crown Prosecution Service...



Ummm.....not something you ought to be saying mate...be very careful. Remember the servers reside in the UK....

Yes, but surely we haven't quite made the transition into a police state yet? :)
Bah, you can't even make a joke nowadays...

Yes, but surely we haven't quite made the transition into a police state yet? :)
Bah, you can't even make a joke nowadays...Comments advocating murder of non-fictional and alive people generally don't go down to well. Especially over the net where it is harder to spot when someone is making a joke or is just stark raving mad.

Comments advocating murder of non-fictional and alive people generally don't go down to well. Especially over the net where it is harder to spot when someone is making a joke or is just stark raving mad.

*gives up*
I hereby declare that I was making a joke, bearing in mind that I don't actually advocate any type of harm to anyone, being a very moralistic person.

Will that do?

Besides, surely people have picked up on my personality by now and would know that I was only joking?

Well what will happen (or what I would like to happen) is that Labour lose all credibility and the Tories win, but with the Lib Dems making strong gains. The tories continue to fuck things up and then get booted out in the next election. Everyone turns to the Lib Dems in deperation and they are elected at the next, but one, election. They are so shocked that they have finally gained power that they spend the next two years doing nothing, but gaping at everyone. They then get their arse in gear and make a few changes, like changing the electoral system to PR, and then focus on reelection. But because they haven't done much at all except gape they are ejected just like the previous two parties. However this time Labour has become more socialist, similar to their counterparts in Scandinavia and are elected - probably with a hung parliament, but the strongest party none the less. At this point history ends and every one is happy for ever and ever and ever, and we all live of renewable energy, and biofuels with proper social justice and lots of other fluffy things. :)

Oh, I've just realised why you're been purposefully mispelling Labour... :( I r slow.

Yeah well the thing is that if the Tories win the next general election I can see one of two things happen.

1 - They become so draconian that they make the Rev Smiler and the Thatch look like Francis of frikkn Assisi and really fuck the country up

2 - They become so weak (most likely) that the UK becomes even more indebted to the US. Oh...that'll also fuck the country up.

Gah. Its a total no win situation....Lib Dems as a national government...our airports would be full of people clammouring to leave...I mean Ming Campbell for fucks sake...that decision to can Beer Boi and 'elect' Ming 'I am the Undead' Campbell was a mistake of epic proportions. They will always do well in local elections...but as a national government....nah.

hmmmm....The fringe parties like UKIP and Greens are not wroth mentioning....they will never gain power. However PR will give them a voice in government. Do you want to give a UKIP/Green a deciding vote on real legislation?

Now to dream - If it was possible I'd make professional politicians an illegal species ;)

Yes, but surely we haven't quite made the transition into a police state yet? :)
Bah, you can't even make a joke nowadays...

Yeah...I know...but they are jumpy about stuff like that mate...esp with the new 'anti hate' laws...and the terror laws...

We made the transition to a police state about 15 years ago dude...

Gah. Its a total no win situation....Lib Dems as a national government...our airports would be full of people clammouring to leave...I mean Ming Campbell for fucks sake...that decision to can Beer Boi and 'elect' Ming 'I am the Undead' Campbell was a mistake of epic proportions. They will always do well in local elections...but as a national government....nah.Why this a bad thing? Maybe finally the tabloid press might shut up about these ragheads who are stealing our jobs.

hmmmm....The fringe parties like UKIP and Greens are not wroth mentioning....they will never gain power. However PR will give them a voice in government. Do you want to give a UKIP/Green a deciding vote on real legislation?

Now to dream - If it was possible I'd make professional politicians an illegal species ;)Yes, but look at non-professional politicians - councilors. They ain't much better.

I wouldn't mind UKIP or the Greens have a say in Parliament. It would provide a pressure valve for more radical groups who would feel like the democratic process does provide a system for their voices to be heard. Plus it would mean it would mean that parties would have to find listen to their electorate rather than simply make placatory gestures to them once every 4 fours and then rigourously pursue some illusory centre ground.

Yeah...I know...but they are jumpy about stuff like that mate...esp with the new 'anti hate' laws...and the terror laws...

We made the transition to a police state about 15 years ago dude...

Good lord...
And here was me thinking we lived in a democracy. A failing democracy, yes, after so many years of the current Labour party in power, but a democracy nonetheless.
Can the UK really be falling into such a state of disrepair? It was in England that the first signs of democracy in a modern state appeared. It was in the unity and freedom of the UK that a great empire and age of industrial progress was born.

*feels depressed* :(

A warning to children: this is what becomes of you if you're too interested in history, like me; you end up neglecting the present. :)

*gives up*
I hereby declare that I was making a joke, bearing in mind that I don't actually advocate any type of harm to anyone, being a very moralistic person.

Will that do?

Besides, surely people have picked up on my personality by now and would know that I was only joking?Hmm... you have less than a 1,000 posts, but oddly enough I think I do have your personality sorted. But I post on NSG pretty much every day. The same cannot be said for your average government spook. Except, perhaps, White Hats. I think I saw him outside my house the other day. Their watching us I tell you!

Hmm... you have less than a 1,000 posts, but oddly enough I think I do have your personality sorted. But I post on NSG pretty much every day. The same cannot be said for your average government spook. Except, perhaps, White Hats. I think I saw him outside my house the other day. Their watching us I tell you!

*falls about laughing at the last point*

In regards to my personality: do tell! :D

Why this a bad thing? Maybe finally the tabloid press might shut up about these ragheads who are stealing our jobs.

I reckon that the tabloids will ever cease their mindless ranting...its what sells papers...

Yes, but look at non-professional politicians - councilors. They ain't much better.

Yeah....because they are also professional politicians ....the majority I hasten to add...


I wouldn't mind UKIP or the Greens have a say in Parliament. It would provide a pressure valve for more radical groups who would feel like the democratic process does provide a system for their voices to be heard. Plus it would mean it would mean that parties would have to find listen to their electorate rather than simply make placatory gestures to them once every 4 fours and then rigourously pursue some illusory centre ground.

yeah....but do crazies have the right to vote?

Good lord...
And here was me thinking we lived in a democracy. A failing democracy, yes, after so many years of the current Labour party in power, but a democracy nonetheless.

Thinking...you see that can be a fatal flaw...why do you think our schools are churning out so many people unable to think beyond the joys of the hamburger broiler?

Can the UK really be falling into such a state of disrepair? It was in England that the first signs of democracy in a modern state appeared. It was in the unity and freedom of the UK that a great empire and age of industrial progress was born.

*feels depressed* :(

A warning to children: this is what becomes of you if you're too interested in history, like me; you end up neglecting the present. :)

Well from my perspective its turning to shit.

Its all about money money money....well during the industrial revolution we saw the mega rich return things to the community ranging from libraries to hospitals...and no corporate logos...

Re democracy...um....The Swiss? Never forget the Swiss...!

I reckon that the tabloids will ever cease their mindless ranting...its what sells papers...Yes, but maybe they might change their stories to 'Ming the Merciful lets graduates flee the country he has ruined and that they are indebted to'... fine, so I've never work in a tabloid as the person who writes headlines :p

Yeah....because they are also professional politicians ....the majority I hasten to add...Yeah, but the rest only show up to collect their pay check.

yeah....but do crazies have the right to vote?I thought that was the whole point of democracy, was that everyone gets the right to vote, because otherwise you get bogged down in deciding what classifies one as crazy enough to be disenfranchised. Anyway, silencing people's ability to make their voices heard has never done any good in the long run. If people are disenfranchised by the system, then instead of working with it they will work against it.

Thinking...you see that can be a fatal flaw...why do you think our schools are churning out so many people unable to think beyond the joys of the hamburger broiler?



Well from my perspective its turning to shit.

Its all about money money money....well during the industrial revolution we saw the mega rich return things to the community ranging from libraries to hospitals...and no corporate logos...

Re democracy...um....The Swiss? Never forget the Swiss...!

*points out the Magna Carta*
The Great Charter is that to which I was referring. :D
Perhaps it didn't give people the right to a vote, but it certainly began to limit the power of the aristocracy, especially the monarchy.

Although the Swiss certainly get top marks for real democracy and the point in time in which they achieved it; we had to lag behind on that score... :(

*yearns for a cross between ancient Greece and pre-World War I UK*
That'd be a good combination...

Yes, but maybe they might change their stories to 'Ming the Merciful lets graduates flee the country he has ruined and that they are indebted to'... fine, so I've never work in a tabloid as the person who writes headlines :p

LOL;)

Yeah, but the rest only show up to collect their pay check.

I think we need to define professional politician...


I thought that was the whole point of democracy, was that everyone gets the right to vote, because otherwise you get bogged down in deciding what classifies one as crazy enough to be disenfranchised. Anyway, silencing people's ability to make their voices heard has never done any good in the long run. If people are disenfranchised by the system, then instead of working with it they will work against it.

Yet people who are sectioned are not allowed to vote....(and yes I view racism as a mental illness.)

*points out the Magna Carta*
The Great Charter is that to which I was referring. :D
Perhaps it didn't give people the right to a vote, but it certainly began to limit the power of the aristocracy, especially the monarchy.

Although the Swiss certainly get top marks for real democracy and the point in time in which they achieved it; we had to lag behind on that score... :(

*yearns for a cross between ancient Greece and pre-World War I UK*
That'd be a good combination...

Funnily enough the Charter is kept just down the road from me!

Yea gods...Athenian democracy crossed with Edwardian Britain??? Are you sure thats a good thing?

Funnily enough the Charter is kept just down the road from me!

Yea gods...Athenian democracy crossed with Edwardian Britain??? Are you sure thats a good thing?

I actually meant the spirit of the Greek academics, although not, of course, Pythagoras' tendency to throw people who point out that the square root of two is irrational over the side of boats. :D

Thinking for thinking's sake! Huzzah!

Edit: Wait a moment... Do you live in Lincoln, then?

I actually meant the spirit of the Greek academics, although not, of course, Pythagoras' tendency to throw people who point out that the square root of two is irrational over the side of boats. :D

Thinking for thinking's sake! Huzzah!

Edit: Wait a moment... Do you live in Lincoln, then?

LOL! Death by maths!

No...Woking...Runnymede is just down the road...ahh....yeah...my fault...its not kept there...its where it was signed...

4 copies...one at Lincoln, one at Salisbury and the other two are in the British Museum...

/ooops!

LOL! Death by maths!

No...Woking...Runnymede is just down the road...ahh....yeah...my fault...its not kept there...its where it was signed...

4 copies...one at Lincoln, one at Salisbury and the other two are in the British Museum...

/ooops!

:D
Shame; I visited Lincoln recently. I could have hunted down your photo from somewhere (probably the NS Meetup thread) and tried to remember if I'd seen you. :)

:D
Shame; I visited Lincoln recently. I could have hunted down your photo from somewhere (probably the NS Meetup thread) and tried to remember if I'd seen you. :)

Lat time I was in Lincoln was about 14 years ago...!

And you really don't want to hunt down my pic...not unless you have a strong stomach! LOL

Re democracy...um....The Swiss? Never forget the Swiss...!

The new zealanders got to universal suffrage first, and south australia granted female suffrage.

Now to dream - If it was possible I'd make professional politicians an illegal species ;)

I thought that the problem with your politicians was that they had too much belief in their own superiority.

The new zealanders got to universal suffrage first, and south australia granted female suffrage.

To get to that point we needed to get past the idea that only 'landed' people were able to vote...

To get to that point we needed to get past the idea that only 'landed' people were able to vote...

AFAIK the NZ lot were the first to universal suffrage. I thought they also granted the maori the right to vote also.

SA though only had sufrage for non aboriginal people at that time.

You don't actually think anything major will happen over this do you? It'll just be another whitewash as usual.

You don't actually think anything major will happen over this do you? It'll just be another whitewash as usual.I dunno, depends how much the government pissed of the police and CPS when they were told to back off the BAE corruption case.

Yeah well the thing is that if the Tories win the next general election I can see one of two things happen.

1 - They become so draconian that they make the Rev Smiler and the Thatch look like Francis of frikkn Assisi and really fuck the country up

2 - They become so weak (most likely) that the UK becomes even more indebted to the US. Oh...that'll also fuck the country up.

Gah. Its a total no win situation....Lib Dems as a national government...our airports would be full of people clammouring to leave...I mean Ming Campbell for fucks sake...that decision to can Beer Boi and 'elect' Ming 'I am the Undead' Campbell was a mistake of epic proportions. They will always do well in local elections...but as a national government....nah.

hmmmm....The fringe parties like UKIP and Greens are not wroth mentioning....they will never gain power. However PR will give them a voice in government. Do you want to give a UKIP/Green a deciding vote on real legislation?

Now to dream - If it was possible I'd make professional politicians an illegal species ;)

Meng for the win! :p

Someone once compared Ming Campbell to Ming the Merciless from Flash Gordon. I've never been able to get the comparison out of my head since.

http://www.unbsj.ca/arts/english/jones/mt/images/ming.jpg

And having just thought about it... that Ming's archnemsis is Gordon... it just makes me laugh. I want someone to start a political cartoon based on Flash Gordon.

Someone once compared Ming Campbell to Ming the Merciless from Flash Gordon. I've never been able to get the comparison out of my head since.

http://www.unbsj.ca/arts/english/jones/mt/images/ming.jpg

And having just thought about it... that Ming's archnemsis is Gordon... it just makes me laugh. I want someone to start a political cartoon based on Flash Gordon.

Well, Gordon is hardly 'flash'...

This could work!

*points out the Magna Carta*
The Great Charter is that to which I was referring. :D
Perhaps it didn't give people the right to a vote, but it certainly began to limit the power of the aristocracy, especially the monarchy.

Man, I hate that misconception. If anything, Magna Carta boosted the power of the aristocracy at the expense of the monarch. That's about all it did.

Man, I hate that misconception. If anything, Magna Carta boosted the power of the aristocracy at the expense of the monarch. That's about all it did.

Bearing in mind that I've read the thing and formed my opinion based upon that reading...

Bearing in mind that I've read the thing and formed my opinion based upon that reading...

You'll find that you're not the only one.

I don't see how you can say it did anything other than increase the power of the magnates at the expense of the crown.

You'll find that you're not the only one.

I don't see how you can say it did anything other than increase the power of the magnates at the expense of the crown.

Guaranteed some basic rights to free men...