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Yes, what an abusive shit Alec Baldwin is. He should never be allowed an unsupervised visit again. Here's a guy who wants peace in Iraq, but hell for his daughter.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/19/alec-baldwins-threatening-message-to-daughter/

An enraged Alec Baldwin unleashed a volcanic tirade of threats and insults on his 11-year-old daughter, Ireland, calling her a "thoughtless little pig," and bashing her mother Kim Basinger -- and TMZ has obtained the whole thing unfiltered and raw. And we've learned, a family law judge was so alarmed after hearing the tape, she has temporarily barred Baldwin from having any contact with his child.

After Ireland failed to answer her father's scheduled phone call from New York on April 11, Alec went berserk on her voice mail, saying "Once again, I have made an ass of myself trying to get to a phone," adding, "you have insulted me for the last time."

Switching his train of thought, Baldwin then exercised his incredible parenting skills and took a shot at his ex-wife, declaring, "I don't give a damn that you're 12-years-old or 11-years-old, or a child, or that your mother is a thoughtless pain in the ass who doesn't care about what you do." The irate Baldwin went on to say, "You've made me feel like s**t" and threatened to "straighten your ass out."

"This crap you pull on me with this goddamn phone situation that you would never dream of doing to your mother," screamed Baldwin, "and you do it to me constantly over and over again."

Before hanging up, Baldwin warned the child, "You better be ready Friday the 20th to meet with me." That's tomorrow.

We've learned that on Wednesday, Los Angeles County Superior Court commissioner Maren Nelson heard the tape and temporarily suspended Baldwin's visitation rights. A hearing is set for May 4, where the judge could permanently deny Baldwin visitation or contact with Ireland.


Oh, and the recording of the call is on the site.

He named his daughter Ireland. That alone should bar him from having anything to do with children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TROhlThs9qY

This is shocking. He always plays such nice guy roles.

Alec Baldwin? Some folks are becoming celebrities way too easy...

-_- <--- see this? This is me not giving a shit.

It's between Alec Baldwin and his family. This is not news-worthy.

-_- <--- see this? This is me not giving a shit.

It's between Alec Baldwin and his family. This is not news-worthy.

I agree completely.

And I feel I can use this again...


http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/7725/motivator3654875ps1.jpg

-_- <--- see this? This is me not giving a shit.

It's between Alec Baldwin and his family. This is not news-worthy.

Totally. Well said Sah!

This thread is shit. I want the Glengarry threads.

He named his daughter Ireland. That alone should bar him from having anything to do with children.

He could have at least named the girl the ancient/poetic/romantic/whatever version of Ireland.

But then she would have had the same name as me and I would get a little freaked out.

Anywho, this guy should never talk to Ireland again. Ever. Or his ex wife.

He could have at least named the girl the ancient/poetic/romantic/whatever version of Ireland.

But then she would have had the same name as me and I would get a little freaked out.

Anywho, this guy should never talk to Ireland again. Ever. Or his ex wife.

:eek: Your name is Hibernia?

-_- <--- see this? This is me not giving a shit.

It's between Alec Baldwin and his family. This is not news-worthy.

Ayeh.

Erin, I'd imagine.

:eek: Your name is Hibernia?

no thats not it

Erin, I'd imagine.

Oh. *feels foolish*

My other guess would have been Eire.

nobody's perfect, he was obviously having a bad day and needs to apologize to his daughter, but really? hasn't everyone had a bad day and reacted poorly to stress once in a while?

nobody's perfect, he was obviously having a bad day and needs to apologize to his daughter, but really? hasn't everyone had a bad day and reacted poorly to stress once in a while?

Thats spot on...also I suspect there is more to it. However its really no ones business but theirs.

Gossip like this is below tacky...

nobody's perfect, he was obviously having a bad day and needs to apologize to his daughter, but really? hasn't everyone had a bad day and reacted poorly to stress once in a while?

To be honest, my first year in college I was living an hour and a half away in dorms. My parents (who were financing my education) had a rule where I had to call one of them at 7:30 PM sharp every day.

I initially did, usually, but when I started slacking off towards the end of the year I started missing calls. After a straight week of not calling them, my dad left a voicemail on my phone that was arguably WORSE than this one.

So I don't see it as being an abuse problem. I see it as being a "I'm trying to contact you, this has happened often enough that I'm pissed about it, and I've probably also had a rough day." Situation.


AND MIND YOU, It's STILL not news-worthy.

AND MIND YOU, It's STILL not news-worthy.

I disagree. Since 90% of the news is really entertainment and not newsworthy anyway, I think this is a perfect fit.

And I'm sure if you asked the 'journalist' behind this they would tell you the piece was meant to stimulate 'much needed debate...yadda yadda yadda'.

pffft. while I don't agree with the way he talked to his daughter, he's got nothing on the way my grandmother used to talk to me when she got drunk and angry.

He made the mistake of making an ass of himself on tape. A celebrity should be smarter than that.

Aside from the fact that he can act, what good is he and why is the media giving him any attention? I feel sorry for his daughter - she has him for a father and Basinger for a mother. Poor thing.

nobody's perfect, he was obviously having a bad day and needs to apologize to his daughter, but really? hasn't everyone had a bad day and reacted poorly to stress once in a while?

I'm sorry to break it to you Smunkee, but celebrities lose much of their "human" status, in the eyes of the media.

no parent would like to be judged by their worst moment.

i do feel sorry for the little girl having to be raised by 2 disfunctional parents--the one who says terrible things when he loses his temper and the one who gives the recording of it to the press.

nobody's perfect, he was obviously having a bad day and needs to apologize to his daughter, but really? hasn't everyone had a bad day and reacted poorly to stress once in a while?

To put words in the mouth of the OP - anybody who has ever had a bad day or reacted poorly to stress or shouted to their kids are obviously unfit parents!!! Noes!!!

*Dances the "This thread is silly" dance*

Heh, that's not a hundredth as bad or vile as what my dad's said to me countless times over the years.

-_- <--- see this? This is me not giving a shit.

It's between Alec Baldwin and his family. This is not news-worthy.




Do you people care about anything?

To put words in the mouth of the OP - anybody who has ever had a bad day or reacted poorly to stress or shouted to their kids are obviously unfit parents!!! Noes!!!

*Dances the "This thread is silly" dance*


Yeah, because verbally abusing your kids is always ok.

Yeah, because verbally abusing your kids is always ok.

My, you built a bigger straw man that I did! :eek:

No, verbally abusing your kids is not ok.

Nor is it news if it happens - nor does one instance prove that you're an unfit parent. Mmmm'kay?

nobody's perfect, he was obviously having a bad day and needs to apologize to his daughter, but really? hasn't everyone had a bad day and reacted poorly to stress once in a while?

Not to my children...

People should mind their own business.

Not to my children...

Then you're a saint.

Yes, he was extremely nasty to his kid.
Yes, he was wrong to be extremely nasty to his kid.
Yes, there is a vicious custody battle going on.
Yes, it was stupid to say on tape with a vicious custody battle going on.

If we are to believe that he meant the hurtful things he said (which I doubt, and which I bet he regretted long before his wife and/or her legal team handed this tape to the news), why not believe that as he also claimed the child and the mother have been ducking his calls and in essence been violating his court appointed right to contact her? If you listen to it, he made a point of saying that this is FAR from the first time his scheduled calls have been ignored.

Not saying by a LONG SHOT that what he said or did was right, but I'd be frustrated and furious if I felt my kid were being kept from me. (Additionally, I'd probably be in tears, too.)

Then you're a saint.


I've been through two divorces. In each case, I got full custody of the children, and in each case the woman got next to no visitation.

At no time have I ever involved my children in the disputes that raged during those times.

The court appointed evaluator BOTH times said I was a saint.

I've been through two divorces. In each case, I got full custody of the children, and in each case the woman got next to no visitation.

At no time have I ever involved my children in the disputes that raged during those times.

The court appointed evaluator BOTH times said I was a saint.

Congratulations. No comment on the rest of my post?

Congratulations. No comment on the rest of my post?

He still should never have taken it out on his daughter, whether he meant to or not is irrelevant to me.

I've been through two divorces. In each case, I got full custody of the children, and in each case the woman got next to no visitation.

At no time have I ever involved my children in the disputes that raged during those times.

The court appointed evaluator BOTH times said I was a saint.

For a Saint, you sure have crappy taste in women.... or maybe it's your sainthood that destroys these women's souls.

For a Saint, you sure have crappy taste in women.... or maybe it's your sainthood that destroys these women's souls.

...was that hell freezing over?

My, you built a bigger straw man that I did! :eek:

No, verbally abusing your kids is not ok.

Nor is it news if it happens - nor does one instance prove that you're an unfit parent. Mmmm'kay?



So him verbally abusing her is not grounds for punishment? It happens so it should just be let go and the world asume he would never do it again? Hmmmmm......Gotta love that logic. What would it take for you to think he might have an anger problem and may be an unfit parent....him to beat her until she is so battered she can barely walk? You deal with with these things on the first offense, not the 8th. mmmmmm'kay?

...was that hell freezing over?



No, that was Michael Moore making out with George W. Bush.

So him verbally abusing her is not grounds for punishment? It happens so it should just be let go and the world asume he would never do it again? Hmmmmm......Gotta love that logic. What would it take for you to think he might have an anger problem and may be an unfit parent....him to beat her until she is so battered she can barely walk? You deal with with these things on the first offense, not the 8th. mmmmmm'kay?

If something like yelling and cursing into voicemail is grounds for some kind of punishment, about the entire nation's children would be in foster care.

So him verbally abusing her is not grounds for punishment? It happens so it should just be let go and the world asume he would never do it again? Hmmmmm......Gotta love that logic. What would it take for you to think he might have an anger problem and may be an unfit parent....him to beat her until she is so battered she can barely walk? You deal with with these things on the first offense, not the 8th. mmmmmm'kay?

If yelling at your kids makes you an unfit parent then a vast proportion of the worlds parents should be punished in your mind.

Madness.

If something like yelling and cursing into voicemail is grounds for some kind of punishment, about the entire nation's children would be in foster care.


This is why Liberals should not deal with children. Let him abuse her, let him beat her, let him do whatever he wants. She is not a person with feelings anyway, she is just a kid and therefore has no rights at all.


Punishment yes, this could be a sign of a bigger problem, the only way to find that out is to investigate..But as you seem to think anything short of a beating is ok. Sick.

If yelling at your kids makes you an unfit parent then a vast proportion of the worlds parents should be punished in your mind.

Madness.


Verbal abuse is not ok, it maybe fine in your mind but not in mine. Maybe in the UK you can verbally abuse your kids but not here. He was wrong and he needs to understand that.

So him verbally abusing her is not grounds for punishment?
One time? No.

It happens so it should just be let go and the world asume he would never do it again? Hmmmmm......Gotta love that logic.
Yep, it's good logic. I prefer not to condemn people before I have a clear reason to do so. One time of yelling is forgivable.

Not to mention none of our god damned business.

What would it take for you to think he might have an anger problem and may be an unfit parent....him to beat her until she is so battered she can barely walk?
Speaking of logic (or the lack of it)... How the hell did you jump from one time of verbal abuse to beating her senseless? My god that's a huge leap!

Oh, and, since there's been a lot of threads on the matter, should I assume you want every parent who ever spanks their children to be declared unfit? They are, after all, being physical and being much closer to the beating senseless part...

You deal with with these things on the first offense, not the 8th. mmmmmm'kay?
No. No, you don't. I don't, we don't. His ex wife may, in the privacy of their own broken home, but we stay the fuck away.

What is the appropriate "punishment" for being a jerk in a phone message?

Anger mangement classes for this. And it's verbal abuse junior.

This is why Liberals should not deal with children. Let him abuse her, let him beat her, let him do whatever he wants. She is not a person with feelings anyway, she is just a kid and therefore has no rights at all.


Punishment yes, this could be a sign of a bigger problem, the only way to find that out is to investigate..But as you seem to think anything short of a beating is ok. Sick.


What is the appropriate "punishment" for being a jerk in a phone message?

Not to my children...

you are either lying, or your kids are like 2 minutes old.

I have never said things like that to my kids, but I have become frustrated and said a few things I shouldn't have in a tone unbecoming of my mellow self. I apologize when it does happen, which is very rarely.

One time? No.

WRONG! You give some sort of punishment the first time so their won't be a second. Anger Mangement.

Yep, it's good logic. I prefer not to condemn people before I have a clear reason to do so. One time of yelling is forgivable.


Nope. he was wrong and owes that kid an apology. But I bet you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

Not to mention none of our god damned business.

When he is a public figure it is.

Speaking of logic (or the lack of it)... How the hell did you jump from one time of verbal abuse to beating her senseless? My god that's a huge leap!


It's clear logic. Listen to the tape..If he flips out like that in private with her.

Oh, and, since there's been a lot of threads on the matter, should I assume you want every parent who ever spanks their children to be declared unfit? They are, after all, being physical and being much closer to the beating senseless part...

Spanking scars the kid, so yes. But someone like you wouldn't know that. You have a perfect life.


No. No, you don't. I don't, we don't. His ex wife may, in the privacy of their own broken home, but we stay the fuck away.


Again, he is a celebrity and the public has a right to. If not it glorifies the act.

This is why Liberals should not deal with children. Let him abuse her, let him beat her, let him do whatever he wants. She is not a person with feelings anyway, she is just a kid and therefore has no rights at all.


Punishment yes, this could be a sign of a bigger problem, the only way to find that out is to investigate..But as you seem to think anything short of a beating is ok. Sick.

I never said that Baldwin's actions were fine. They weren't. He should go to anger management to get his temper under control. But I really don't know what further action you want, any serious action would really overload social services who already can't handle cases where there is physical abuse. I hardly think that simple yelling makes you an unfit parent, just an imperfect one.

Totally ignoring the hyperbole of your first paragraph...

And it's verbal abuse junior.

Careful. That's starting to slide into baiting.

I never said that Baldwin's actions were fine. They weren't. He should go to anger management to get his temper under control. But I really don't know what further action you want, any serious action would really overload social services who already can't handle cases where there is physical abuse. I hardly think that simple yelling makes you an unfit parent, just an imperfect one.

Totally ignoring the hyperbole of your first paragraph...



I said anger mangement as a punishment. Thats all that is needed unless more abuse is found.

Careful. That's starting to slide into baiting.



It's hard for me not to get pissed, I had an abusive father.

Yeah... the "liberal" stuff makes it pretty clear that Baldwin's kid is much less Unholy Smite's concern than taking cheap shots at an outspoken liberal.


Baiting me? Stay on topic and off cheap shots on me.:rolleyes:

...

Totally ignoring the hyperbole of your first paragraph...

Yeah... the "liberal" stuff makes it pretty clear that Baldwin's kid is much less Unholy Smite's concern than taking cheap shots at an outspoken liberal.

This is why Liberals should not deal with children.
"Liberals" :confused:
WRONG! You give some sort of punishment the first time so their won't be a second. Anger Mangement.
No need if the act is an aberration, no matter if it's written in caps or not.

Nope. he was wrong and owes that kid an apology. But I bet you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth.
So you don't want to debate this issue. Then why are you in this thread?

When he is a public figure it is.
Bollocks.

It's clear logic. Listen to the tape..If he flips out like that in private with her.
If. That's a pretty big "if". Come again when you have any indication that this has happened before or that it will happen again.

Again, he is a celebrity and the public has a right to. If not it glorifies the act.
Again, bullshit. This is a private matter.

Spanking scars the kid, so yes. But someone like you wouldn't know that. You have a perfect life.
"Someone like me"? Yeah, right. Disregarding the fact that I was, in those threads, a rather vocal anti-spanker, we're obviously done here.
I never said that Baldwin's actions were fine. They weren't. He should go to anger management to get his temper under control. But I really don't know what further action you want, any serious action would really overload social services who already can't handle cases where there is physical abuse. I hardly think that simple yelling makes you an unfit parent, just an imperfect one.

It would make you a part of the club callen "normal people" or "Just humans". :)

It would make you a part of the club callen "normal people" or "Just humans". :)

I've always wanted to be placed in the "normal" category. Thanks. :cool:

"Liberals" :confused:

Liberals are softer on crime than anybody.

No need if the act is an aberration, no matter if it's written in caps or not.

And how do you know it's not normal place?

So you don't want to debate this issue. Then why are you in this thread?

:rolleyes:

Bollocks.


So celebs can act anyway they in full view of the public? BULL!

If. That's a pretty big "if". Come again when you have any indication that this has happened before or that it will happen again.


And come again if you can prove it wasn't. Investigate and find out if it was.

Again, bullshit. This is a private matter.


His life is open, so again BULL!

"Someone like me"? Yeah, right. Disregarding the fact that I was, in those threads, a rather vocal anti-spanker, we're obviously done here.

But I bet your daddy never laid a hand on you. Some of us are not lucky. Coming from experience he needs anger management.


It would make you a part of the club callen "normal people" or "Just humans". :)


Thats like brushing it off and saying it's ok.

This is why Liberals should not deal with children. Let him abuse her, let him beat her, let him do whatever he wants. She is not a person with feelings anyway, she is just a kid and therefore has no rights at all.

ahhh....yes. The 'ebil Liberal' ploy. Liberals should not deal with children.

I think this is possibly the biggest load of drivel I have read on NSG in months if not years.


Punishment yes, this could be a sign of a bigger problem, the only way to find that out is to investigate..But as you seem to think anything short of a beating is ok. Sick.

So you are all for the state being involved directly in family affairs...sounds a bit.....socialist to me.

Verbal abuse is not ok, it maybe fine in your mind but not in mine. Maybe in the UK you can verbally abuse your kids but not here. He was wrong and he needs to understand that.

Well thats just dandy. I don't think I said anywhere that it was ok.

However if I was yelling at my sprogs and you came along and stuck your oar in I think you'd get a goodly bop on the old sniffer.

I've always wanted to be placed in the "normal" category. Thanks. :cool:



So abusing your kids is normal? Suddenly I can't feel my legs.:eek:

ahhh....yes. The 'ebil Liberal' ploy. Liberals should not deal with children.

Not worth addressing.

I think this is possibly the biggest load of drivel I have read on NSG in months if not years.

Not worth addressing.




So you are all for the state being involved directly in family affairs...sounds a bit.....socialist to me.


When abuse may be involved yes. That is not socialist but common sense.



Well thats just dandy. I don't think I said anywhere that it was ok.


You come across different.

However if I was yelling at my sprogs and you came along and stuck your oar in I think you'd get a goodly bop on the old sniffer.


Then you get a cap in the ass. But if you were verbally abusing your kids I'd call the cops and let them deal with it.

But I bet your daddy never laid a hand on you. Some of us are not lucky. Coming from experience he needs anger management.


Not everyone who loses their temper is your father either.

Not everyone who loses their temper is your father either.




.......forget it. Hooray for abuse. Next time do it on PPV so I can enjoy it.

So abusing your kids is normal? Suddenly I can't feel my legs.:eek:

Since you previously agreed that anger management is all that is needed I really don't see what you are complaining about. The fact that anything further is overreaction and that social services are greatly inadequate to what is needed for worse abuse seems to be simple truth to me. How you read this and see that abusing children is normal mystifies me.

Liberals are softer on crime than anybody.
In your mind, maybe.

And how do you know it's not normal place?
No evidence to suggest otherwise.

:rolleyes:
Yes, roll your eyes all you want, but the ad hominems and assumptions you put out illustrates that you're just angry and have no real perspective on this case.


So celebs can act anyway they in full view of the public? BULL!
No they can't. Mind you, this was not done in public. This was a private message left on a private voice mail. I hope you are able to see the difference...


And come again if you can prove it wasn't. Investigate and find out if it was.
Nope. Burden of proof is not on me. I see no evidence to suggest it was anything more than a one-time thing. I'm content.


His life is open, so again BULL!
He also have a private life, you know. Even celebrities does not forsake it completely. So you're utterly and completely wrong.

But I bet your daddy never laid a hand on you. Some of us are not lucky. Coming from experience he needs anger management.
See there you go with the assumptions again. And one time is excusable. Anger management is not a form of punishment, and it won't work and will be a waste of time if he doesn't have an anger management issue! Which you can't say that he has after one single incident! That only makes him human, since he has messed up once.

Thats like brushing it off and saying it's ok.
Yes, because yelling at your kid one time is OK, as long as you apologize and don't let it happen again. Nobody is perfect.

Since you previously agreed that anger management is all that is needed I really don't see what you are complaining about. The fact that anything further is overreaction and that social services are greatly inadequate to what is needed for worse abuse seems to be simple truth to me. How you read this and see that abusing children is normal mystifies me.


Don't do anything to him. Let him go.

In your mind, maybe.

No evidence to suggest otherwise.

Yes, roll your eyes all you want, but the ad hominems and assumptions you put out illustrates that you're just angry and have no real perspective on this case.


No they can't. Mind you, this was not done in public. This was a private message left on a private voice mail. I hope you are able to see the difference...


Nope. Burden of proof is not on me. I see no evidence to suggest it was anything more than a one-time thing. I'm content.


He also have a private life, you know. Even celebrities does not forsake it completely. So you're utterly and completely wrong.


See there you go with the assumptions again. And one time is excusable. Anger management is not a form of punishment, and it won't work and will be a waste of time if he doesn't have an anger management issue! Which you can't say that he has after one single incident! That only makes him human, since he has messed up once.

Yes, because yelling at your kid one time is OK, as long as you apologize and don't let it happen again. Nobody is perfect.



I give up. You will never see the light and are ok with abuse. I quit. I am done here.


HOORAY FOR CHILDABUSE!

Not worth addressing.

Not worth addressing.

When abuse may be involved yes. That is not socialist but common sense.

You come across different.

Then you get a cap in the ass. But if you were verbally abusing your kids I'd call the cops and let them deal with it.

Yeah I suspected as much. A troll with the IQ of a lemming.

I give up. You will never see the light and are ok with abuse. I quit. I am done here.


HOORAY FOR CHILDABUSE!

And you should learn reading comprehension.

Goodbye.

I give up. You will never see the light and are ok with abuse. I quit. I am done here.


HOORAY FOR CHILDABUSE!

*shrug*
If you think that ALL PEOPLE WHO LOSE THEIR TEMPER AND YELL AT KIDS even once are DEFINITELY CHILD ABUSERS it's a problem in your perception of reality.

If there were evidence this were an ongoing thing, we'd likely agree with you.
Not ONE PERSON HERE has defended what he said, or that he said it -- we've only stated that under the circumstances, we can understand the very human frustration at being barred from contact with your kid repeatedly.

Your personal experience is very likely interfering with your ability to judge what others are saying. You're responding to what you THINK we've said, not what anyone has ACTUALLY said.

I'd actually be shocked if all the people here trying to discuss this rationally were, as you so kindly assumed us all to be, 'liberals'.

Yeah I suspected as much. A troll with the IQ of a lemming.



This is why I hate liberals. Flame all you want, why bother with intelligence just flame. Way to go. I'll remember your lead, next time I will just attack your IQ and ignore your entire post. Works for you right?

*shrug*
If you think that ALL PEOPLE WHO LOSE THEIR TEMPER AND YELL AT KIDS even once are DEFINITELY CHILD ABUSERS it's a problem in your perception of reality.

If there were evidence this were an ongoing thing, we'd likely agree with you.
Not ONE PERSON HERE has defended what he said, or that he said it -- we've only stated that under the circumstances, we can understand the very human frustration at being barred from contact with your kid repeatedly.

Your personal experience is very likely interfering with your ability to judge what others are saying. You're responding to what you THINK we've said, not what anyone has ACTUALLY said.



Or I have personal experience everybody here lacks.


Nice you ignored the 2 flames above you btw.

Or I have personal experience everybody here lacks.
everyone's experience is different, I assure you though I have been at the wrong end of abuse, and this, looks like a man who made a mistake and probably needs to go to some counseling.


Nice you ignored the 2 flames above you btw.
if you think people are flaming you then report it in moderation, then you are sure they are aware of it.

I give up. You will never see the light and are ok with abuse. I quit. I am done here.


HOORAY FOR CHILDABUSE!

Do you really believe that a parent will never lose their temper? That to do so will mean scarring their children for life and that the parent needs to be labeled as an awful parent? As long as the yelling is not something that happens often than it is not something to get so worked up over. Calling what Baldwin did childabuse is completely inaccurate.

Or I have personal experience everybody here lacks.


Nice you ignored the 2 flames above you btw.

1) Wow, I didn't notice something posted WHILE I WAS POSTING. Amazing.

2) Do you honestly believe that your posts towards others in this thread have no bearing on the kinds of responses you're getting? But I forget, it's hard for you to keep calm even after I suggested that calling someone junior condescendingly was approaching flamebaiting. As is characterizing liberals as child abusers.

This is why I hate liberals. Flame all you want, why bother with intelligence just flame. Way to go. I'll remember your lead, next time I will just attack your IQ and ignore your entire post. Works for you right?

Son....I am not a liberal. Not by a long shot. You however have been trolling. You posted the statement that Liberals are not fit to deal with children. That is a troll.

So I call you a troll. I think I am correct in that.

IQ of a lemming....well so far that is what you have displayed. YOU can call it flaming if you want. I would say it was the truth. You have ignored everything that has been posted to you and just carry on with the trolling that we support child abuse.

I take offense to your statements that I (we) are pro child abuse. I find that to be disgusting and unconscionable. Actually I am quite irate that you think that.

Oh. And no...you would not put a cap in my ass...

everyone's experience is different, I assure you though I have been at the wrong end of abuse, and this, looks like a man who made a mistake and probably needs to go to some counseling.


which is what I said atleast twice already. I have been on the wrong end, more than once and seen the same man do it more than once...Including threatening to beat my nephew.



if you think people are flaming you then report it in moderation, then you are sure they are aware of it.


Kat posted after the flames, she saw them. She just doesn't care.

which is what I said atleast twice already. I have been on the wrong end, more than once and seen the same man do it more than once...Including threatening to beat my nephew.
yes, and everyone is different.

Kat posted after the flames, she saw them. She just doesn't care.
that doesn't mean she saw them, or that they were flames, if you think someone is flaming you, report it in moderation.

1) Wow, I didn't notice something posted WHILE I WAS POSTING. Amazing.

2) Do you honestly believe that your posts towards others in this thread have no bearing on the kinds of responses you're getting?



Flaming is ok? ALright, I'll remember that. Troll. Remember, flaming is ok.:rolleyes:

Son....I am not a liberal. Not by a long shot. You however have been trolling. You posted the statement that Liberals are not fit to deal with children. That is a troll.

So I call you a troll. I think I am correct in that.

IQ of a lemming....well so far that is what you have displayed. YOU can call it flaming if you want. I would say it was the truth. You have ignored everything that has been posted to you and just carry on with the trolling that we support child abuse.

I take offense to your statements that I (we) are pro child abuse. I find that to be disgusting and unconscionable. Actually I am quite irate that you think that.

Oh. And no...you would not put a cap in my ass...



More flaming.


And I doubt you know what a cap in the ass means...And yes I would if you hit me.

yes, and everyone is different.


that doesn't mean she saw them, or that they were flames, if you think someone is flaming you, report it in moderation.



She saw them, she admitted it and let it pass. Flaming is ok. Didn't you know?

She saw them, she admitted it and let it pass. Flaming is ok. Didn't you know?

Kat is usually pretty fair, but if you don't think she is being fair this time, I am sure there are other mods who would look at it. Although you might not like their answer either.

Do you really believe that a parent will never lose their temper? That to do so will mean scarring their children for life and that the parent needs to be labeled as an awful parent? As long as the yelling is not something that happens often than it is not something to get so worked up over. Calling what Baldwin did childabuse is completely inaccurate.Also to fair, while much is made of Alec's message to his child, nothing I have heard gives any clue as to what the child said to him that provoked such an outburst. In the clip I heard he is obviously refering to something the child said to or about him.

He certainly is in need of some parenting classes and/or some anger managment, but I have to agree that this falls just a bit short of 'abuse'.

More flaming.

If you are going to consider what he said flaming than you aren't going to like it much here as that kind of thing is commonplace. The post would have to be much more flagrant to be a real flame. By your standards, saying that we are all pro-child abuse would be a flame. Do you want to go down that road?

Also to fair, while much is made of Alec's message to his child, nothing I have heard gives any clue as to what the child said to him that provoked such an outburst. In the clip I heard he is obviously refering to something the child said to or about him.

He certainly is in need of some parenting classes and/or some anger managment, but I have to agree that this falls just a bit short of 'abuse'.

Can't argue with this. Even if his kid did something even worse than Baldwin's rant, he is supposed to be the adult here. Instead he acted like a 6 year old, stamping his foot because he was unhappy.

If you are going to consider what he said flaming than you aren't going to like it much here as that kind of thing is commonplace. The post would have to be much more flagrant to be a real flame. By your standards, saying that we are all pro-child abuse would be a flame. Do you want to go down that road?



I wouldn't have said it if I wasn't ready to go down that road, I packed my bags and ready for a road trip! I am very strict on abuse and how to treat kids and let little to nothing slide...And I mean NOTHING.

She saw them, she admitted it and let it pass. Flaming is ok. Didn't you know?

Your reading comprehension is at fault.

I said I had not seen them because I was posting at the time. Really. Go back and scroll up and read.

I also said that you've been attacking everyone else in this thread, from post #47 where I cautioned you. But it doesn't seem to occur to you that if I have to warn anyone, you have to get warned too for starting this donnybrook.

More flaming.

That son is not a flame. That is an explanation. Or is the son bit that confuses you? Well...I am older than you....considerably older than you. The use of the word son in this circumstance is not uncommon. Hence not a flame.


And I doubt you know what a cap in the ass means...And yes I would if you hit me.

Wrong. If you keep your nose out of my business I would not have to consider bopping you...easy really. Oh and no...you would not shoot me as you would not be carrying. Not in my country anyway. Assuming you'd actually be allowed in.

I wouldn't have said it if I wasn't ready to go down that road, I packed my bags and ready for a road trip! I am very strict on abuse and how to treat kids and let little to nothing slide...And I mean NOTHING.

That we think this matter is blown out of proportion does not mean we support child abuse. If you consider this matter to be on par with some of the sick stuff out there that parents can do to kids than that is your problem. What I think is really wrong in all this is that this tape was given to the media to go nuts with and that now this kid has to deal with reporters dissecting the state of her family. I find that sucks much more than what Baldwin said.

donnybrook.

Off thread - never came across this saying before....meaning uproar yes?

That we think this matter is blown out of proportion does not mean we support child abuse. If you consider this matter to be on par with some of the sick stuff out there that parents can do to kids than that is your problem. What I think is really wrong in all this is that this tape was given to the media to go nuts with and that now this kid has to deal with reporters dissecting the state of her family. I find that sucks much more than what Baldwin said.

Bingo.

That we think this matter is blown out of proportion does not mean we support child abuse. If you consider this matter to be on par with some of the sick stuff out there that parents can do to kids than that is your problem. What I think is really wrong in all this is that this tape was given to the media to go nuts with and that now this kid has to deal with reporters dissecting the state of her family. I find that sucks much more than what Baldwin said.Bingo! IMHO Bassinger and her attorney are no better parental figures than Baldwin for stooping to media exploitation of this.

Off thread - never came across this saying before....meaning uproar yes?

Brawl, actually, but that is a wee bit hyperbolic.

Brawl, actually, but that is a wee bit hyperbolic.

LOL!!! Yeah. I can understand the origin though...thanks.

/regular programming will be resumed.....

UnHoly Smite, Gravlen, Gartref, Rubiconic Crossings - I'm seeing ad hominem attacks and flaming from all of you.

UnHoly Smite, you need to realise that your personal experience is hindering your objectivity in this issue. You're blowing other peoples' molehills into your own private Himalayas, and other people are responding in kind. In future, I'd recommend stepping away from the computer for a while if you find yourself in a similar headspace.

This ruling brought to you by Tsar the Mod, who has no idea who Alec Baldwin is.