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Wikipedia strangely pulled it

This is a photo of the killer, obviously. Could he have been trained at the School of the Americas? I have heard his proficiency at shooting a handgun was very unusual and the handguns he used it would be difficult to kill at that accuracy rate.

Maybe he was a trained agent but ended up mentally unstable and was kicked out? Or maybe he just stole a Marines uniform.

There is no investigation on who the other guy is.

Can anyone tell if this photo has been edited? I'd like to know. I don't think it has...

the other guy looks really quite high...

the other guy looks really quite high...

Yea maybe they just bought some old uniforms, but they really should figure out who the other guy is? I was going to say it was a costume but if he ever wore a costume like this it would be reported by the news.

I think his deadly accuracy rate was unusual, no one else finds that strange? I mean the guns he used from what I understand usually cannot kill so quickly.

I think his deadly accuracy rate was unusual, no one else finds that strange? I mean the guns he used from what I understand usually cannot kill so quickly.

What deadly accuracy rate? An article I read the other day said that everyone had at least three bullet holes in them. This article says (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/vtech.victims/index.html) that people were shot in places that a trained person wouldn't shoot at:

Colin Goddard survived wounds in leg, shoulder, buttocks

Anyone who is trained to kill people with firearms fires at center mass, the heart/lung area. This offers the best balance of an easy target and vital organs. I'm guessing that he just brought a shit-ton of ammo with him, did the old Hollywood "spray and pray" and that everyone was too scared to rush him while he reloaded.

Also, the name tape on that uniform says "Hu" not "Hui" or "Seung". Trust me, if he actually was in the military he'd have his own damned name tapes spelled correctly before he put them on.

Also, a 9mm is quite lethal at the ranges he was firing from, which appear to be about 5m or less. Hell, even his .22 would do serious damage at that range.

Well I am not sure about the picture then, but it is him if you look.

Yea maybe they just bought some old uniforms, but they really should figure out who the other guy is? I was going to say it was a costume but if he ever wore a costume like this it would be reported by the news.

I think his deadly accuracy rate was unusual, no one else finds that strange? I mean the guns he used from what I understand usually cannot kill so quickly.
He had a 9mm and a .22 cal. The 9mm (especially with the hollowpoint ammo he was using) is quite an effective killing weapon on an unarmoured person at close range. I haven't heard the exact type of .22 he used (there are short, long [or longrifle] and magnum versions of that caliber) but all can be lethal. Even a .22 short with it's lower muzzle velocity can quite easily kill someone hit in the head at close range. The long (probably the most common and my guess as to what he used) and magnum versions are of course even more effective.

As to his accuracy, it's not hard to hit a stationary target at close range. And of course not all of his shots were lethal. He only wounded many of those he hit and reports I have read hinted that many of his shots didn't hit anyone at all (he fired through and into doors that were being held shut, some successfully).

Well I retract the comment on his accuracy with a weapon then, but the picture is interesting...

Can anyone who uses Photoshop or something see if there is any way this photo could have been photoshopped? I don't think it was...the skin tones match, and everything looks too normal.

Doesn't look shopped to me. (pixels, many shops, etc)

Also, the name tape on that uniform says "Hu" not "Hui" or "Seung". Trust me, if he actually was in the military he'd have his own damned name tapes spelled correctly before he put them on.

From what I understand it is actually Hu, and the press and yes many have gotten it wrong. On some blogs, forums, and even press releases it is spelled Hu and some translators have said it is actually Hu not Hui.

From what I can see on the Internet many are spelling it Hu, maybe its just one of those cases where it can translate either way in English words? Google Cho Seung-hu and you will see many results and all about the killer.

Whats weird is when I googled it the Voice of America (The official US news source to embassies and such) has it as Cho Seung-hu in nes reported in Somali (Google Voice of America Cho Seung-Hu) and Asian blogs are saying Cho Seung-Hu it appears.

From what I understand it is actually Hu, and the press and yes many have gotten it wrong. On some blogs, forums, and even press releases it is spelled Hu and some translators have said it is actually Hu not Hui.

From what I can see on the Internet many are spelling it Hu, maybe its just one of those cases where it can translate either way in English words?

Well his name is Cho Hu/i-Seung, right? So, surely if the uniform was legit it would say Cho(don't names in the whole China/Koreas/Japan area go Surname First Name), not some combination of Hu/i-Seung?

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9282/cho101hh5.jpg

Wikipedia strangely pulled it

This is a photo of the killer, obviously. Could he have been trained at the School of the Americas? I have heard his proficiency at shooting a handgun was very unusual and the handguns he used it would be difficult to kill at that accuracy rate.

Maybe he was a trained agent but ended up mentally unstable and was kicked out? Or maybe he just stole a Marines uniform.

There is no investigation on who the other guy is.

Can anyone tell if this photo has been edited? I'd like to know. I don't think it has...

There are lots of Airsofters in the world. They buy surplus military uniforms and run around with replica weapons.

Your fantasy paranoia about the School of the Americas is telling.

There are lots of Airsofters in the world. They buy surplus military uniforms and run around with replica weapons.

Your fantasy paranoia about the School of the Americas is telling.

The Media never reported him being an Airsofter or Paint Baller, I think that would be an detail they just might pick up on? They picked up on his violent video gaming after all I think didnt they?

This is a photo of the killer, obviously. Could he have been trained at the School of the Americas? I have heard his proficiency at shooting a handgun was very unusual and the handguns he used it would be difficult to kill at that accuracy rate.
Have you been on godlikeproductions?

Have you been on godlikeproductions?

What is that?

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9282/cho101hh5.jpg

Wikipedia strangely pulled it

This is a photo of the killer, obviously. Could he have been trained at the School of the Americas? I have heard his proficiency at shooting a handgun was very unusual and the handguns he used it would be difficult to kill at that accuracy rate.

Maybe he was a trained agent but ended up mentally unstable and was kicked out? Or maybe he just stole a Marines uniform.

There is no investigation on who the other guy is.

Can anyone tell if this photo has been edited? I'd like to know. I don't think it has...

Those fatigues look like an older style. But im prolly wrong.

I wouldn't run that photo on my website, and it's no wonder they replaced it with something else. It associates someone with the killer who may or may not have even known him, inviting a lawsuit, and doesn't have much value in any case.

Well, hard to say, based on just a picture like that.

Wikipedia is trying to become pro, and that means avoiding being sued.

They will have to do a throughly background check on this guy and see everything he has done. Now, I do think he had a pretty good accuracy, specialy considering he was holding both weapons at the same time, which I´m pretty sure few people can do maintaining the same accuracy as holding one with both hands.

Also, his shots seemed pretty methodic. He was firing at intervals, and didnt got trigger happy.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9282/cho101hh5.jpg

Wikipedia strangely pulled it

This is a photo of the killer, obviously. Could he have been trained at the School of the Americas? I have heard his proficiency at shooting a handgun was very unusual and the handguns he used it would be difficult to kill at that accuracy rate.

Maybe he was a trained agent but ended up mentally unstable and was kicked out? Or maybe he just stole a Marines uniform.

There is no investigation on who the other guy is.

Can anyone tell if this photo has been edited? I'd like to know. I don't think it has...

The guy on the right looks like he might be good looking.

There are ofcourse conspiracy theories going around. One how this shit was made to happen, to put us all in an uproar about guns.. making us more likely to give up "just a little bit" of our guns rights. but imo, since this crap happened AFTER they had blocked guns from the campus looks in favor of carry imo. THEY can make us do, what they want us to do. They just gotta play the media right. Very subtle.. then high, then low , then high, then twisted.. confuse, confuse.. back, back. Seriously it's like a soap opera. On my sane days I forget about these schemes tho. It's the only way I can live regularly.

A few other recent conspiracy theories. .. the Don Imus crap was to cover up the Duke Case, take attention away from white men actually being right against a black woman and to put the attention right back on evil ass whitey. Another.. all this crap taking up so much air time to keep eyes off the Gonzales shit.. which.. it has done.

...i forgot about another part of the Imus thing.. he threatened to come out with some 9/11 crap. Which he did. So they (big media) crushed whatever credibility he had, made him out to be a racist (o dear lord no) and fired his ass.

This picture is very strange, I personally hope someone finds some truth to it so we can know if he really was involved in something more. It sort of scares me. For me even before seeing any picture or anything I thought there were some things odd about this case:

- I still think the weapon proficiency was unusual. He was able to fire two guns accurately and kill and wound so many so quickly.
- NBC news gets exclusive tapes from the killer who talks extensively in strange bungled sentences as if to give him several motives for the killing
- Such a slow response time to the first killing, students still come in for class (Though this may just be the university's mistake and I dont think this is odd really)

etc.

This picture just bothers me every time I look at it.

Probably just a wannabe

Probably just a wannabe

He probably bought it at some random place, like this. (http://usmcshop.grunt.com/Grunt/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=133&gift=False&0=dept%2Easp%2Cdept%5Fid%3D132%26menu%5Fid%3D%26Tree%3D%2CUniform&mscssid=0CFD5FBF447804FDFB3BD7C119B5B130)

It's really not hard to buy old uniforms. You can even get your own name put on there if you like.

He probably bought it at some random place, like this. (http://usmcshop.grunt.com/Grunt/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=133&gift=False&0=dept%2Easp%2Cdept%5Fid%3D132%26menu%5Fid%3D%26Tree%3D%2CUniform&mscssid=0CFD5FBF447804FDFB3BD7C119B5B130)

What is with the kilts?

What is with the kilts?

Wow...that's impressive.

- I still think the weapon proficiency was unusual. He was able to fire two guns accurately and kill and wound so many so quickly.

Yeah, you belong at godlikeproductions.
Go to a college, look in the door of a classroom. It isn't hard to spray and pray and just start dropping unarmed people.

Yeah, you belong at godlikeproductions.
Go to a college, look in the door of a classroom. It isn't hard to spray and pray and just start dropping unarmed people.

I went there, and no not really. I don't believe less than 10% of what those people believe. I am not that extreme. And everyone cant be grouped under conspiracy theorists like that, thats a very dangerous thing to do when someone wishes to question anything that seems out of the ordinary or what is going on as a "conspiracy theorist"

Either way this picture is weird, and yes he may have got it from a surplus store but why no questioning on who the other guy is? And the Marines patches are not so common I doubt on easily bought surplus uniforms, maybe used ones.

I wouldn't run that photo on my website, and it's no wonder they replaced it with something else. It associates someone with the killer who may or may not have even known him, inviting a lawsuit, and doesn't have much value in any case.How is publishing this picture "inviting a Lawsuit" ??

I went there, and no not really. I don't believe less than 10% of what those people believe. I am not that extreme. And everyone cant be grouped under conspiracy theorists like that, thats a very dangerous thing to do when someone wishes to question anything that seems out of the ordinary or what is going on as a "conspiracy theorist"

Either way this picture is weird, and yes he may have got it from a surplus store but why no questioning on who the other guy is? And the Marines patches are not so common I doubt on easily bought surplus uniforms, maybe used ones.

Ok, ID the other guy. You can tell his eye color, and hair color. He's white, probably in his early 20s. That narrows it down to like 40% of the college there in Virginia.

Good luck.

How is publishing this picture "inviting a Lawsuit" ??

People will sue over anything, or at least try to.

I have a complete swiss mountain unifirm, but I aint swiss, my mate has a massive collection of real SS uniforms (designed by Hugo Boss!) and he's Jewish! The answer is army surplus.

His first name is Seung-Hui (not Seung-Hu). His last name is Cho. Why would his namepatch be half of his first name? That would be like someone named George Smith choosing to put “Orge” on his namepatch.

The guy in this picture is probably a Chinese guy with the last name of Hu. Hu is not a Korean name, but it is a common Chinese name.

I have a complete swiss mountain unifirm, but I aint swiss, my mate has a massive collection of real SS uniforms (designed by Hugo Boss!) and he's Jewish! The answer is army surplus.

I've got several complete US Navy uniforms, complete with nametags, rank chevrons and award ribbons.


They're not remotely hard to come by.

From what I understand it is actually Hu, and the press and yes many have gotten it wrong. On some blogs, forums, and even press releases it is spelled Hu and some translators have said it is actually Hu not Hui.

From what I can see on the Internet many are spelling it Hu, maybe its just one of those cases where it can translate either way in English words? Google Cho Seung-hu and you will see many results and all about the killer.
Search Bill Klinton on google and all the results will be about the former president. By your logic, Bill Klinton is the correct spelling of the former American president.

Hui is the correct and universal transliteration of the Korean word. Hu is simply never used for that particular Korean word, in either the old (Mccune) or the new transliteration methods.



Whats weird is when I googled it the Voice of America (The official US news source to embassies and such) has it as Cho Seung-hu in nes reported in Somali (Google Voice of America Cho Seung-Hu) and Asian blogs are saying Cho Seung-Hu it appears.

You are totally wrong. Please stop ignorantly speculating about Asian names.

I agree with the people who say that it is him in army surplus. This shooting just highlights how racist some American are. To say that all asians and illegal aliens have to be kicked out really bring us back to the time of Nazi Germany. Do we really want to have another world war?? The world has enough problems that we don't need to use the race card. So many people in this world are a little bit this and a little bit that. One of my best mates is Pacific Islander/Maori and I am going out with an asian that is expecting our first child and I am white.
People who say that this is a long time in coming are right. Now is the time for americans to stand up and say that more guns are not the answer. Yes, they will be people who say that I am wrong but there has to become a time when weapons are just not the answer. How would you react if you will working in a shop or bank and someone walked in with a hand gun in their pants being covered by their T-shirt. You would reach for the panic button wouldn't you??
Yes, with increase volience and the threat of terroriam on every one's mind, you do have to think about yourself and your family's safety as well as your nebiours and friends but if it's going to happen, it's going of happen. What use would you be if you panic your children and small kids into think that that guy wearing a tupan could kill them. Just plan racism, I sorry to say!!!!

I agree with the people who say that it is him in army surplus.

The guy in the picture is not the Va Tech shooter. The guy in the picture sorta looks like the shooter but only if you skew your perception and force yourself into thinking that. It's true, all Asians look alike. :p And I’m saying this from personal experience being an Asian.

The guy in the picture is not the Va Tech shooter. The guy in the picture sorta looks like the shooter but only if you skew your perception and force yourself into thinking that. It's true, all Asians look alike. :p And I’m saying this from personal experience being an Asian.

They also all use the same names and same written language!

They also all use the same names and same written language!

Same writing system – true to an extent. Names aren’t the same though. Chinese, Korean, and Japanese names are as different as Vladimir Putin and George W. Bush.

They also all use the same names and same written language!
Wrong. They don't even use the same "alphabet," well Koreans might use the same one as the Chinese. The names are entirely different, hell, Chinese names now arn't even the same as what they were before the official state language.

Wrong. They don't even use the same "alphabet," well Koreans might use the same one as the Chinese. The names are entirely different, hell, Chinese names now arn't even the same as what they were before the official state language.

SARCASM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)

The guy in the picture is not the Va Tech shooter. The guy in the picture sorta looks like the shooter but only if you skew your perception and force yourself into thinking that. It's true, all Asians look alike. :p And I’m saying this from personal experience being an Asian.


I think it is him if you watched the videos, but if not some soldier is going to be soon saying "Hey I am not.." though I think it may be

I think it is him if you watched the videos, but if not some soldier is going to be soon saying "Hey I am not.." though I think it may be

Ok, so based on the fact that it's an Asian whose face is covered in a Marine uniform, it's obviously the same guy.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9282/cho101hh5.jpg

Wikipedia strangely pulled it

This is a photo of the killer, obviously. Could he have been trained at the School of the Americas? I have heard his proficiency at shooting a handgun was very unusual and the handguns he used it would be difficult to kill at that accuracy rate.

Maybe he was a trained agent but ended up mentally unstable and was kicked out? Or maybe he just stole a Marines uniform.

There is no investigation on who the other guy is.

Can anyone tell if this photo has been edited? I'd like to know. I don't think it has...

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss_070418_NBC_VATech/ss_070418_vatech_tease2.300w.jpg

It's not so strange that they've pulled it, because IT'S NOT THE SAME MAN.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9282/cho101hh5.jpg

Wikipedia strangely pulled it

This is a photo of the killer, obviously. Could he have been trained at the School of the Americas? I have heard his proficiency at shooting a handgun was very unusual and the handguns he used it would be difficult to kill at that accuracy rate.

Maybe he was a trained agent but ended up mentally unstable and was kicked out? Or maybe he just stole a Marines uniform.

There is no investigation on who the other guy is.

Can anyone tell if this photo has been edited? I'd like to know. I don't think it has...

I personally think it is fake.

One - The theory of being trained by the USMC/etc is pretty much proven wrong being his uniform says 'Hui' or 'Hu' roughly. His last name was Cho, people are confused because the media said his name the way it would be said in Korea. In Asian countries such as N and S Korea, Japan, and China they would say your name as "Last Name First Name". In most cases, there is no middle name.

Two - His face seems a bit disproportionate, also it is highly rumored/believed that he was very anti-social. I highly doubt he went out of his way to make friends in the Air Soft/Paint Ball community to join a team or such.

Three - The accuracy is easily explained. Take one angry guy, two small nearly recoiless pistols, and a mind set to kill. It is unusual, perhaps he went to the shooting range and fired with both his weapons a lot. Perhaps not planning to do this then, but like a lot of people...liked to shoot paper digits hanging from the ceiling :-P.

Then again, it could be possible that he played Air Soft. Yet I'm just not entirely sure, also it isn't enough proof it is him. We just see his forehead, a bit of scalp, and his eyes. Honestly, a lot of people *depending on the ethnicity, or if you happen to be very tan as well* look alike...at least have certain similar features.

Conclusion - So, personally, I do not believe it is him. Just a photo-chop/someone thought it would be funny to post a picture of his friend because he looked like "that Cho guy".

EDIT: Oh, and I would also like to point out one little detail in your post...>.>

Wikipedia.

'nuff said.

Well I retract the comment on his accuracy with a weapon then, but the picture is interesting...

Aerion, you are so inane.

Anyone in the US can buy those uniforms. And many do.

Paintballers, Airsofters, you name it.

Just because he's wearing pieces of a uniform (that's right - he doesn't have the whole thing on) doesn't mean he's had any contact at all with the military.

Jeesh!

Well I am not sure about the picture then, but it is him if you look.

Look at what? The eyebrows? That could literally be anybody.

Look at what? The eyebrows? That could literally be anybody.

Eyebrows of doom* mind you.

Oh noes! It's another Asian guy with black eyebrows!

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/eveonline_bucket/john02.jpg

AHH, IT'S THE SHOOTER...HE'S GOT A FORK...OH GOD 3.0 WHY?! HE IS GOING TO STAB PEOPLE TO DEATH WITH A FORK, NO!!!!?!?!!!!!

Yea, sorry I'm a bit bored.

Oh noes! It's another Asian guy with black eyebrows!

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/eveonline_bucket/john02.jpg

Those fatigues look like an older style. But im prolly wrong.

They look like the current 'digital' style fatigues. ;)