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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6567649.stm

You're standing in a meeting room, and all of a sudden a wave of molten metal "flows into the room".

I'm not sure they would find much later, or even be able to extract your carbonized remains from the solid steel later.

A horrible way to die.

...

Oww.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims families.

Ow, what a way to go.

Ouch, that'd be a terrible way to go.

What an odd and random, yet painful way to die. Talk about really being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ouch. Would've been a perfect opportunity for "My eyes, the googles do nothing" though. If I find myself in the right situation, thinking straight and remember... those will be my last words.

It's the metal that melts in your brain and not in your hand!
Sorry, sorry...

Ouch. Would've been a perfect opportunity for "My eyes, the googles do nothing" though. If I find myself in the right situation, thinking straight and remember... those will be my last words.

I think the last words would be "AAAAAAAAAUGH! AAAAUGH! *snarfle snarfle as the metal flows over your head*"

I think the last words would be "AAAAAAAAAUGH! AAAAUGH! *snarfle snarfle as the metal flows over your head*"

Likely...but not memorable or amusing.

That's horrible.

My thoughts and prayers are with the families.

Wow....I can't even imagine...it's just horrible.

Should not the thread title be 'too hot to trot'?

Should not the thread title be 'too hot to trot'?

32 Chiniese men get hot together, none survive.

You couldn't exactly bury them either, and you'd have to bury a block of steel instead.

This is the perfect example on how it is OK to make certain jokes about people dying as long as they are not american. I wonder if 32 chinese people dying in molten metal mean less than 32 american people dying in a shootout.

There's less likely to be Chinese people here that'll get offended.

This is the perfect example on how it is OK to make certain jokes about people dying as long as they are not american. I wonder if 32 chinese people dying in molten metal mean less than 32 american people dying in a shootout.

I only hope these guys didn't suffer.

Not to be graphic, but it reminds me of a special I saw once on the History Channel about the ancient Roman city Herculaneum. It was a costal town just west of Mt. Vesuvius and was destroyed in the same eruption that buried Pompei.

The people had all gone down to the shore and taken shelter in these arched alcoves on the cliffs at the beach, which were normally used to store boats. That's where they were when the pyroclastic flow hit.

The preserved shapes were discovered recently by archaeologists. The people died quickly, but not so fast that they didn't contort in pain :( The worst part about it was that the skulls had blown open as the brains vaporized. (Apparently this is normal when the brain matter is heated very rapidly) I won't go into any further detail, but it was a disturbing sight. This is the mental image that comes to mind when I think of these men and the molten metal.

This is the perfect example on how it is OK to make certain jokes about people dying as long as they are not american. I wonder if 32 chinese people dying in molten metal mean less than 32 american people dying in a shootout.

You'll notice the OP is not a joke.

I posted this because you said that Americans only care when Americans die.

I can't help it if people turn it into a joke.

This is the perfect example on how it is OK to make certain jokes about people dying as long as they are not american. I wonder if 32 chinese people dying in molten metal mean less than 32 american people dying in a shootout.

Well feel free to come up with some school shootings jokes. We'll wait.

This is the perfect example on how it is OK to make certain jokes about people dying as long as they are not american. I wonder if 32 chinese people dying in molten metal mean less than 32 american people dying in a shootout.

Oh don't worry....there will be jokes hitting the net (if they haven't already) regarding the tragic events in the US.

I also would like to say that just because one makes a quip or a joke that they do not think less of any innocents who die. Well I don't. Both incidents in the US and China are tragic.

As is this....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6567329.stm

Is there a hue and a cry?

This is the perfect example on how it is OK to make certain jokes about people dying as long as they are not american. I wonder if 32 chinese people dying in molten metal mean less than 32 american people dying in a shootout.

That's exactly what I was about to say. :mad:

I posted this because you said that Americans only care when Americans die.

I can't help it if people turn it into a joke.
I'm confused. Doesn't that thus completely verify his point?

My consolation and sympathy go out to those affected by this and my respect to the victims.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6567649.stm

You're standing in a meeting room, and all of a sudden a wave of molten metal "flows into the room".

I'm not sure they would find much later, or even be able to extract your carbonized remains from the solid steel later.

A horrible way to die.

Shit, that's nasty.

Well feel free to come up with some school shootings jokes. We'll wait.

There are already a few in the works at 4chan.org, including something along the lines of them having a picture of the guy that did it, with the caption "South Korean hits new high score".

Bastardly, yes, but really no different than cracking jokes about any other tragedy. It's how some people deal with it. Others are just dicks.

You'll notice the OP is not a joke.

I posted this because you said that Americans only care when Americans die.

I can't help it if people turn it into a joke.

I note the OP is not a joke. Nothing is held against you from me, at least.

Some people in the forums, including authorities, are extremely sensitive regarding jokes from the Virginia Tech University shootings, american or not. I am remarking the fact that joking about chinese people dying in molten metal is no better, and yet it doesn't rise any kind of reaction.

I didn't say americans only care when americans die. Read what you quote.

The Virginia Shootout opening post wasn't a joke. People said jokes later. In the same fashion as this thread. I do not condone the jokes over there, nor here. But I do notice a double standard.

And Khadgar, no. I am not interested in such jokes, as I find it sad, and in an extremely bad taste. I would get a ban, or the best I will get is post deletion. However, the jokes of Ifreann and Rubiconic Crossings in this thread will remain largely unpunished or unnoticed.

Well feel free to come up with some school shootings jokes. We'll wait.

I did think about an "I don't like Mondays" joke, but couldn't really be bothered.

I also would like to say that just because one makes a quip or a joke that they do not think less of any innocents who die. Well I don't. Both incidents in the US and China are tragic.

Absolutely...I did joke about this event and I must apologize if I offended anyone with the joke. It was an attempt to alleviate the stress of the situation and aid in coping, and does not under any circumstances mean that I value the lives of those Chinese miners less than I value the lives of Virgina Tech students.

Industrial sites are pretty bad places to have accidents, and when they happen it's the poor old workers who cop it.

This is the perfect example on how it is OK to make certain jokes about people dying as long as they are not american. I wonder if 32 chinese people dying in molten metal mean less than 32 american people dying in a shootout.

I don't value one above the other. Well I wouldn't, except that the 32 Chinese dying is going to be less relevant.

Well feel free to come up with some school shootings jokes. We'll wait.

Somebody on Wikipedia already tried

Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, better known as Virginia Tech, a public land grant polytechnic university in Blacksburg, and more recently, even better known for the occasional massacre

I have my doubts that the PRC will do anything to improve worker safety.

Oh don't worry....there will be jokes hitting the net (if they haven't already) regarding the tragic events in the US.

I also would like to say that just because one makes a quip or a joke that they do not think less of any innocents who die. Well I don't. Both incidents in the US and China are tragic.

My criticism was more aimed to the Nationstates General forums than to the open net, I believe I clarified that.

I don't know what you think, I wouldn't know even if you are in front of me, if you feel bad or not, if you find it tragic or not. People judge people by their actions, that include writing posts and talking, and not by their thoughts, that are private and absolutely unknown.

Thanks for the apology, Kyronea, in any case. I hope you did get my point.

I note the OP is not a joke. Nothing is held against you from me, at least.

Some people in the forums, including authorities, are extremely sensitive regarding jokes from the Virginia Tech University shootings, american or not. I am remarking the fact that joking about chinese people dying in molten metal is no better, and yet it doesn't rise any kind of reaction.

I didn't say americans only care when americans die. Read what you quote.

The Virginia Shootout opening post wasn't a joke. People said jokes later. In the same fashion as this thread. I do not condone the jokes over there, nor here. But I do notice a double standard.

And Khadgar, no. I am not interested in such jokes, as I find it sad, and in an extremely bad taste. I would get a ban, or the best I will get is post deletion. However, the jokes of Ifreann and Rubiconic Crossings in this thread will remain largely unpunished or unnoticed.

Wow. Just wow.

I am interested in this 'double standard'. Because I did not post a joke on the other thread? Did it perhaps not occur to you that I had not thought up a joke?

Or are you moaning about something else? If so please be much clearer in your meaning.

TIA.

My criticism was more aimed to the Nationstates General forums than to the open net, I believe I clarified that.

I don't know what you think, I wouldn't know even if you are in front of me, if you feel bad or not, if you find it tragic or not. People judge people by their actions, that include writing posts and talking, and not by their thoughts, that are private and absolutely unknown.

Thanks for the apology, Kyronea, in any case. I hope you did get my point.

Well if you want to go through life thinking the worst of people then really....thats all you will find.

Wow. Just wow.

I am interested in this 'double standard'. Because I did not post a joke on the other thread? Did it perhaps not occur to you that I had not thought up a joke?

Or are you moaning about something else? If so please be much clearer in your meaning.

TIA.

Double Standard: A joke was posted in the thread about the Virginia Tech University, for the sake of the sources, the joke was about renaming the campus "Virginia Tec-9", by a poster using the name of "Fellatio Towers". It was dealt by the moderators with post deletion, including a message of deletion saying "Go away troll", and the deletion of the posts quoting it. Most of posters right there added the joke was made in extremely bad taste. Personally, I back that statement, although my personal views do not affect my argument right now.

This thread is about an incident involving the death of exactly the same amount of people, but due to entirely different reasons, and from a different country (Yes, I am taking out the american shooter in the body count). Jokes have been posts there, including yours. They haven't been deleted or criticized, by the forums authorities or the other posters until the fact was remarked.

That is a double standard. Some statements are treated in a certain ways, and others, pretty similar, aren't. Post deletion is censorship, good or bad, with or without good reasons. What calls my attention is why said censorship on the Nationstates General Forums affects certain issues, and not others. I study censorship, and free speech, as part of my professional life. This issue raised my attention and that is why I am bringing this out.

I am not moaning. I am pointing out a relevant, or at least interesting issue. I hope you understand now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6567649.stm

You're standing in a meeting room, and all of a sudden a wave of molten metal "flows into the room".

I'm not sure they would find much later, or even be able to extract your carbonized remains from the solid steel later.

A horrible way to die.

I worked with steel in the past, but never on that scale. Still..its a rather horrific thought. The only thing worse would presumably be surviving in some manner.

The Brit politician David Blunketts father died in such a way. Having fallen into a vat of boiling water, he took a month to die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blunkett

I worked with steel in the past, but never on that scale. Still..its a rather horrific thought. The only thing worse would presumably be surviving in some manner.

The Brit politician David Blunketts father died in such a way. Having fallen into a vat of boiling water, he took a month to die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blunkett

I'd rather the molten steel than boiling water - the steel would be pretty quick.

I've heard of accidents at hot springs at Yellowstone that are like the incident you describe - I'd rather not take a month to die in agony.

Double Standard: A joke was posted in the thread about the Virginia Tech University, for the sake of the sources, the joke was about renaming the campus "Virginia Tec-9", by a poster using the name of "Fellatio Towers". It was dealt by the moderators with post deletion, including a message of deletion saying "Go away troll", and the deletion of the posts quoting it. Most of posters right there added the joke was made in extremely bad taste. Personally, I back that statement, although my personal views do not affect my argument right now.

This thread is about an incident involving the death of exactly the same amount of people, but due to entirely different reasons, and from a different country (Yes, I am taking out the american shooter in the body count). Jokes have been posts there, including yours. They haven't been deleted or criticized, by the forums authorities or the other posters until the fact was remarked.

That is a double standard. Some statements are treated in a certain ways, and others, pretty similar, aren't. Post deletion is censorship, good or bad, with or without good reasons. What calls my attention is why said censorship on the Nationstates General Forums affects certain issues, and not others. I study censorship, and free speech, as part of my professional life. This issue raised my attention and that is why I am bringing this out.

I am not moaning. I am pointing out a relevant, or at least interesting issue. I hope you understand now.

Ok. I understand where you are coming from. Fair enough. I thought you were criticising posters...not the Mods...

I've not even really read the VT thread after the first page or so as I figured it would turn into a slanging match.

Ooh. Painful. On the other hand, I haven't been shot or had molten metal poured over me. I'd imagine this would at least be a quick way to go.

Unfortunately, Chinese workers are supposedly a dime a dozen- no one cares about the 20,000 who get killed in coal mine accidents every year, for starters.

I'd rather the molten steel than boiling water - the steel would be pretty quick.

I've heard of accidents at hot springs at Yellowstone that are like the incident you describe - I'd rather not take a month to die in agony.

Concrete. Nasty.

Ooh. Painful. On the other hand, I haven't been shot or had molten metal poured over me. I'd imagine this would at least be a quick way to go.

Unfortunately, Chinese workers are supposedly a dime a dozen- no one cares about the 20,000 who get killed in coal mine accidents every year, for starters.

The death toll last year was about 160,000 people.

The death toll last year was about 160,000 people.
Wouldn't surprise me. I read this in TIME, but I can't remember what the exact figure was.

I have my doubts that the PRC will do anything to improve worker safety.

Depends on the results of the cost-benefit analysis from a purely economical point of view.

There are already a few in the works at 4chan.org, including something along the lines of them having a picture of the guy that did it, with the caption "South Korean hits new high score".

Bastardly, yes, but really no different than cracking jokes about any other tragedy. It's how some people deal with it. Others are just dicks.

Funny, but a bit subtle.

This is the perfect example on how it is OK to make certain jokes about people dying as long as they are not american. I wonder if 32 chinese people dying in molten metal mean less than 32 american people dying in a shootout.

And yet, 32 Americans were senselessly murdered by a lone madman. That could have something to do with it :rolleyes:

I hope they died quickly.

I hope they died quickly.

In a Chinese steel factory...

...32 were reported dead...

...but one survived.

This summer... prepare yourself... for a journey...

of love...

of death...

of suffering...

Get ready...

for...

MELTAMAN

In a Chinese steel factory...

...32 were reported dead...

...but one survived.

This summer... prepare yourself... for a journey...

of love...

of death...

of suffering...

Get ready...

for...

MELTAMAN

Oh dear! LOL

Double Standard: A joke was posted in the thread about the Virginia Tech University, for the sake of the sources, the joke was about renaming the campus "Virginia Tec-9", by a poster using the name of "Fellatio Towers". It was dealt by the moderators with post deletion, including a message of deletion saying "Go away troll", and the deletion of the posts quoting it. Most of posters right there added the joke was made in extremely bad taste. Personally, I back that statement, although my personal views do not affect my argument right now.

This thread is about an incident involving the death of exactly the same amount of people, but due to entirely different reasons, and from a different country (Yes, I am taking out the american shooter in the body count). Jokes have been posts there, including yours. They haven't been deleted or criticized, by the forums authorities or the other posters until the fact was remarked.

That is a double standard. Some statements are treated in a certain ways, and others, pretty similar, aren't. Post deletion is censorship, good or bad, with or without good reasons. What calls my attention is why said censorship on the Nationstates General Forums affects certain issues, and not others. I study censorship, and free speech, as part of my professional life. This issue raised my attention and that is why I am bringing this out.

I am not moaning. I am pointing out a relevant, or at least interesting issue. I hope you understand now.

You definitely have a point here, have you posted in the Moderation forum? I'm usually not the one to call for the mods...but nevertheless.

I have my doubts that the PRC will do anything to improve worker safety.

I have to agree with you on that one.

I have to agree with you on that one.

"We don't need unions. This is already a worker's paradise."

But I have to say, I can't imagine having molten steel poured on to you as being that bad of way to go. Boiling water is one thing, but steel is not only a great deal hotter, it's also a much better conductor of heat than water. You won't feel a thing: You'll go into a rapid thermal shock, and then you're gone.

I visited a steel factory once, where these great big slabs of red hot steel rolled past me. The heat hit me in the face like a hammer, and I was at least a good twenty or thirty meters away, and like I said the metal wasn't even molten.