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http://kotaku.com/gaming/rush-limbaugh/limbaugh-games-arent-to-blame-253132.php

Knowing how much flak Limbaugh gets for his political views, this might surprise many of you.

Just goes to show that if you spend long enough a time panning at an open sewer, you're bound to find a few flakes of gold.

Holy crap look outside, pigs are growing wings!

I never thought I would see the day that I actually nod my head to something that comes out of Limbaugh's mouth.

A stopped clock is right two times a day. (One, if it's digital)

Edit: Fruedian stri- I mean slip, fuxed...

A stopped cock is right two times a day. (One, if it's digital)

And painful.

A stopped cock is right two times a day.

With or without Viagra?

All I can say is "wow"

A stopped cock is right two times a day. (One, if it's digital)

Mine is always right.

And painful.

Oops.:headbang:

Too much presentation practice, methinks.

Too much presentation practice, methinks.

Hold on...what exactly are you doing a presentation on?

Hold on...what exactly are you doing a presentation on?

Music. I wish I could say something more witty, but I'm just not seeing straight because I can't read my own handwriting on my note-cards.

The conservative talkshow hosts are playing this one very cadgy. They're calling the Va Tech shooting "an act of evil," so they can say that evil must always be confronted, hence justifying Iraq. :rolleyes:

I think hell just froze over.

If he goes the other way he'd end up agreeing with Hillary, and I'm pretty sure that he'd rather cut off limbs than do that.

Or he was cognoscente of the trap that he mentioned, that the argument against games could be an even better argument against guns.

Or he's actually capable of being right, he just doesn't ring that bell all that often.

I think hell just froze over.

Well, you do live there. Take a look out the window. :p

If he goes the other way he'd end up agreeing with Hillary, and I'm pretty sure that he'd rather cut off limbs than do that.

Or he was cognoscente of the trap that he mentioned, that the argument against games could be an even better argument against guns.

Or he's actually capable of being right, he just doesn't ring that bell all that often.

Kind of like the "1 million monkeys pounding on 1 million typewriters will eventually pound out the complete work of Shakespeare" type thing.

Only in this case, it's a hamster, with a heart condition, hobbling around with ink on it's feet. Not to mention it's the inbred love child of his mother and her father, and is half retarded.

Eventually, a coherent thought will come out.

I am surprised it happened this quickly.

Just goes to show that if you spend long enough a time panning at an open sewer, you're bound to find a few flakes of gold.Not so much gold but rather a lump of excrement that is a great deal less foul then the rest of the pile. He still seems to be individualizing the source of these things. Switzerland has little to no gun control. England has a great deal of gun control. Gun violence is quite low in both these countries. American society is sick and this needs to be addressed.

Yeah, it sounded right for a moment, before the segue into "guns don't kill people" which I've never agreed with.

Two possible explanations: he really wanted to make the "this is no reason to restrict gun ownership" point and accidentally said "violent video games" because the caller messed with his head. Or he's right into the gibbin' and fraggin' himself.

Seems more like the WoW type tho' :p

Seems more like the WoW type tho' :p

That's not really a game though. It's a... "stupid addictive nerd thing", like D&D or Star Trek or France.

The conservative talkshow hosts are playing this one very cadgy. They're calling the Va Tech shooting "an act of evil," so they can say that evil must always be confronted, hence justifying Iraq. :rolleyes:

Hmmm. Well, considering that what happened at Va Tech would be a less violent than average day in Iraq right now, I'd say he probably shouldn't want to go down that road.

Yeah, it sounded right for a moment, before the segue into "guns don't kill people" which I've never agreed with.
He sort of tried. Let's just introduce a new form of popular music so we can get on to blaming that and get off video games. Koreans arn't big on shooters anyway, it's all RTS and RPG in Asian markets.

Let's all agree with Chris Rock: "Whatever happened to just plain crazy? Don't people go crazy anymore?"

Mine is always right.

Do you have it on a plane that orbits the Earth exactly once every 24 hours? Or sitting on the North Pole where it is partially in all time zones, thus always right somewhere?

... Or sitting on the North Pole where it is partially in all time zones, thus always right somewhere?Not always, only once every hour.

Not always, only once every hour.

That depends on whether you use continuous natural time zones or discrete legal time zones.

The conservative talkshow hosts are playing this one very cadgy. They're calling the Va Tech shooting "an act of evil," so they can say that evil must always be confronted, hence justifying Iraq. :rolleyes:

So... killing 32 people is NOT an act of evil?

Wow, the tub of lard actually made sense for once. Is the world coming to an end??

So... killing 32 people is NOT an act of evil?
Sure it is. This case may turn out to be more an act of a deranged mind than an act of evil, but regardless, this is all beside the point.

The act in Blacksburg is absolutely nothing like the Iraq war, unless you're going to compare a fucked up kid who takes out his girlfriend and a bunch of other people to the head of a nation who controls some of the largest untapped oil reserves in the world. Then again, the people who are making this comparison compared Saddam Hussein to Hitler a few years ago, so making retarded comparisons is right in their wheelhouse.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/rush-limbaugh/limbaugh-games-arent-to-blame-253132.php

Knowing how much flak Limbaugh gets for his political views, this might surprise many of you.

Shows what happens when you say something that isn't in the script. :)

Sure it is. This case may turn out to be more an act of a deranged mind than an act of evil, but regardless, this is all beside the point.

The act in Blacksburg is absolutely nothing like the Iraq war, unless you're going to compare a fucked up kid who takes out his girlfriend and a bunch of other people to the head of a nation who controls some of the largest untapped oil reserves in the world. Then again, the people who are making this comparison compared Saddam Hussein to Hitler a few years ago, so making retarded comparisons is right in their wheelhouse.

Well the point is moot until a comparison like that is actually made, and my post is aimed at CI's knee-jerk implication of the meaning of that phrase.

I just got a call from Hell. They've frozen over again.

Maybe Rush's mellowing in his old age.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/rush-limbaugh/limbaugh-games-arent-to-blame-253132.php

Knowing how much flak Limbaugh gets for his political views, this might surprise many of you.

bravo to Rush for an unusually refreshing perspective.

Well the point is moot until a comparison like that is actually made, and my post is aimed at CI's knee-jerk implication of the meaning of that phrase.

That's your own knee-jerk implication. These are the intranets, I know to be explicit ;)

You should check Rush's blurb for today, 18 April. :rolleyes:
ETA: I just tried to find a linky to it on his site, but it's memebers only. Our local AM station carries it, and he made the "confronting evil wherever it may be" connection.
ETalsoA: Rush isn't the only one (http://www.michaelmedved.com/commentary), either.
REAL - AND FALSE- LESSONS OF VIRGINIA TECH
April 17th 2007
The horrifying shootings at Virginia Tech have produced all the sad, shabby, predictable reactions from misguided commentators trying to make sense of mass murder. On TV and radio, we've already heard that the killing spree was the product of too many guns, or too few guns, or violent video games, or the breakdown of the family, or ill-considered immigration policies or, even, global warming. Glib, shallow explanations allow us to turn away from the one real lesson of these events: that evil exists, and that dark forces - forces believers would call demonic or diabolical - play a powerful role in our world. Regardless of the background or motivation of the killer, Virginia Tech reminds us of the most important truth of our time: that terrorist monsters can't be explained, or excused, or appeased, or ignored, or negotiated into civilized behavior. They must be confronted and destroyed - before they destroy more of the decent and the innocent.

Rush is right to conflate this with the gun control debate. Just as guns don't kill people, nor to video games.

I'd like to point out that Hillary, McCain, and Brownback all favour game consorship. I encourage Americans to support a presidential candidate who does not.

Agreed! ;)

Rush is right to conflate this with the gun control debate. Just as guns don't kill people, nor to video games.

I'd like to point out that Hillary, McCain, and Brownback all favour game consorship. I encourage Americans to support a presidential candidate who does not.

Rush is right to conflate this with the gun control debate.
Obviously, but he still makes a valid point... somehow. You can't go blaming everything on games, too bad all the other stupid fucks are preaching this to their gullible base. Luckily that same base listens to dipshits like Limbaugh and will thusly listen now.

I'd like to point out that Hillary, McCain, and Brownback all favour game consorship. I encourage Americans to support a presidential candidate who does not.
McCain would support castration if he thought it would get the Republicans to nominate him.

Just so you know, as a normal Rush listener, this is pretty much par for things he says every freaking day. This isn't abnormal, an aberration, or the result of "1 million monkeys on 1 million keyboards."

Maybe you should actually listen to his show once in a while before you start trying to rip him for being too conservative or whatever you say he is.

Rush Limbaugh never said that. I won't believe it. It never happened. I want my mommy.

He's acting less hateful than usual...must be back on the OxyContin. Someone search his house.

Don't smart aliens replace cultural and political figures first?


It's surprisingly relevant to this discussion.

McCain would support castration if he thought it would get the Republicans to nominate him.
McCain actually has the longest history of supporting game censorship of the three of them. McCain and Joe Lieberman were the first to really beat that drum (if you don't count Tipper Gore).

Rush is right to conflate this with the gun control debate. Just as guns don't kill people, nor to video games.

I'd like to point out that Hillary, McCain, and Brownback all favour game consorship. I encourage Americans to support a presidential candidate who does not.

Yes and no. Yes, most of the arguments you make about censoring games could also apply to restricting guns. But that ignores the fact that the Constitution says that one of the express powers of the government is to regulate the militia; in point of fact, it's written in the frapping Second Amendment that regulation is involved in the right to bear arms; the same is not true for game censorship.

Granted, this leaves open how it is to be regulated, and whether such regulation could differ from area to area at need. It completely leaves aside the questions of the last week (gun regulation wouldn't have made a difference, IMO, but that's a topic for a different board). It also very likely offends Llewdor's delicate anarchistic sensibilities. But it's also incontrovertibly true.

Yes and no. Yes, most of the arguments you make about censoring games could also apply to restricting guns. But that ignores the fact that the Constitution says that one of the express powers of the government is to regulate the militia; in point of fact, it's written in the frapping Second Amendment that regulation is involved in the right to bear arms; the same is not true for game censorship.
So that would allow someone to oppose the censorship of games but still support gun control, but the opposite wouldn't be true. It simply wouldn't be sensical to oppose gun control while at the same time supporting game censorship.

The two positions are mutually exclusive.

Now, note that most presidential candidates oppose tightening gun control, so then any one of them who supports game censorship is directly contradicting herself.

Just so you know, as a normal Rush listener, this is pretty much par for things he says every freaking day. This isn't abnormal, an aberration, or the result of "1 million monkeys on 1 million keyboards."

Maybe you should actually listen to his show once in a while before you start trying to rip him for being too conservative or whatever you say he is.

I've watched his show. He spouts bullshit on a regular basis. He spent years trying to convince the entire frelling world that Hillary Clinton pulled the trigger and killed Vince Foster. Puh-leeze! She's smart enough to have hired a hit man! :rolleyes:

It is a matter of false causation.

People see the correlation between video games and the real life expression of behavior and assume that video games cause it. Because of their agenda, they cannot see the common sense: What causes people to be violent in real life also causes them to enjoy violent video games. Violent video games don't make violent people, violent people enjoy violent video games. (Non-violent people can enjoy them, too, of course.)

I'll be damned...

It is a matter of false causation.

People see the correlation between video games and the real life expression of behavior and assume that video games cause it. Because of their agenda, they cannot see the common sense: What causes people to be violent in real life also causes them to enjoy violent video games. Violent video games don't make violent people, violent people enjoy violent video games. (Non-violent people can enjoy them, too, of course.)

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. I misspelled that, I know I did. But that's the basic premise, that the shooting happened after someone played violent video games (drank, smoked, watched a violent movie, etc, etc ad nauseum), the shooting happened because of the game (alcohol, weed, movie, whatever). It's stupid, it illogical, but there you go.

Knowing Rush's reputation, it's shocking that he could be a voice of actual reason in what could turn into a witch hunt very easily. One of the first idiots to take advantage of the massacre was Jack Thompson. For those of you who don't know, Jack Thompson is a manipulator who uses video game controversies for his own personal gain. He used to attack rap (which I feel is wrong, even though I absolutely hate rap, even more than the most irritating of country music), but moved on to video games. It's almost ironic that his last name, Thompson, is the name of an infamous sub-machine gun made infamous by 1920s and 1930s eras gangsters. Jackass Thompson came out of the woodwork and immediately blamed video games as THE cause of the shooting before the name of the shooter was released. It's one thing to call GTA a contributing factor. It's another to say that video games are the singular cause of a tragedy before you even know who did it. For all we know, the shooter could have never seen or touched a game in his life.

It's sad when people use the "monkey see, monkey do" argument to take advantage of a major tragedy. It's a time to mourn the losses and find out why it happened so that it won't happen again, not a time for selfishness and exploitation. It's like those gas stations that jacked their prices way up after 9-11 (or 11-9 to you more European and maybe more Canadian people) because many people wanted to leave the area in fear. They saw a situation and wrongfully exploited it. Here's hoping that Jack Thompson gets wronged by an anti-game activist. You know, karma and all.