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A thread was locked, but it made a valid point. Why is there so much focus on every news channel on 33 dead at an American University, when millions are dieing in Africa, the Sudan has genocide where hundreds or even thousands die weekly, etc.

I almost cried when hearing about Virginia Tech shooting, and do believe that it needs to be covered. It is so sad when other young people with hopes and dreams die. But at the same time I think other things should be covered, at other times...

The problem is with the American Media. They exploit the issues they want to, and ignore other issues. You notice the President made an immediate statement, etc. The Media scrambles to actually in my eyes exploit families, as (I know they do) they actively seek out victim's families to badger and get an interview out of in order to talk about it. They then on national television, a DAY AFTER their family member has passed away, ask the people questions such as "Well I guess this is the last thing you expected when your younger brother went off to college?" (?!).


The American Media has some serious issues, obviously. And the fact is that from what I understand when I spoke to an international photographer the American Media will not buy pictures of what is going on in the Sudan, or are not so interested in what is going on. The fact is thousands of children are dieing a day from starvation, and the world ignores them. The world mostly ignores the Sudanese genocide, etc. A lot of it is what the Media chooses to report on.

My thoughts on this thread: they're all tragedies. Get off your computer chair and do something rather than railing at those mourning their family/friends/countrymen.
The media's not mourning the people who died at VT and I never attacked the folks that actually are.

My beef is with the way the US press sensationalizes these kinds of things and almost completely ignores the unholy massacres taking place elsewhere in the world. It's part of promoting a sense of American superiority.

You can close the revolutionary's threads but you can't ban the revolutionary. Well... no, I suppose you could. But it'd be unreasonable to do so. I've made a salient point and you didn't like it because I didn't censor myself.

Exactly, but you have more tact than me.

To tell you the truth, when I first heard about the story and watched the newscast, I thought, "Wow. This puts things into perspective. This actually happens in Iraq on a daily basis. This will have happened at an Iraqi school too, at some time."

And I felt really touched. And I figured my thoughts should be with the Virginian and Iraqi families that night.

Perhaps it's because the situations in the Congo, the Sudan and other places are long term and unfortunately we expect people to die in civil unrest.

The media has been FAR from quiet about the "collateral damage" in Iraq, so I do not think that the other thread's OP was justified in bringing that up.

There is a great deal of money being raised privately for Darfur and other places around the globe; a good question rather than why doesn't the US do something would be why doesn't the WORLD (inclusive of the US) do something.

As for why international media picked up on 33 dead and 15 wounded at an American University, it's because when we send our children to school, we believe we are sending them to a place of safety, not death and carnage. American media picking it up is understandable; you'll have to ask the BBC and other international media agencies why they think it's important.

As for why international media picked up on 33 dead and 15 wounded at an American University, it's because when we send our children to school, we believe we are sending them to a place of safety, not death and carnage. American media picking it up is understandable; you'll have to ask the BBC and other international media agencies why they think it's important.

I understand that, but as I said it is terrible how the Media so obviously exploits this situation. I mean the last thing you want when your relative dies is 20 cameras in your face.

And yes it is directed toward the American Media, as other medias do cover these situations a bit more in Africa.

Americans care more about other Americans than brown people!?

Stop the fucking presses we have breaking news here!

Here's a question: When something like this happens in any other parts of the world, do the local media report on it extensively or do they say "Oh, it's not that big a deal, because X number of people were killed today in Darfur"? Show me one time, just one time, when in the immediate aftermath of a major national tragedy in another country that event was downplayed by that country's media.

If you're going to be a "revolutionary" it helps to know what you're talking about. The media covers events of interest to the viewers; quite frankly, I see this massacre to be a lot more important to me than something happening in Afghanistan because it happened in my country and it will directly affect me in one way or another. That's not to say they're unimportant, but things closer to home have a lot more importance to me personally.

The media only prevents what the viewership wants to see.

Did your media cover the near shooting rampage we had at a local community college in California?

Why not?

I understand that, but as I said it is terrible how the Media so obviously exploits this situation. I mean the last thing you want when your relative dies is 20 cameras in your face.

By that logic, should any tragedy be covered on the news?

My beef is with the way the US press sensationalizes these kinds of things and almost completely ignores the unholy massacres taking place elsewhere in the world. It's part of promoting a sense of American superiority.

no the press doesn't really bother with them in the UK either the reason there not reported is:

1) nobody cares what happens in klacklukistan
2) you can't report the same thing everyday
3) people are desensitized to it after all this happens everyday
4) the news is a business

also its not often a kid shoots up a school even in other western nations

You can close the revolutionary's threads but you can't ban the revolutionary. Well... no, I suppose you could. But it'd be unreasonable to do so. I've made a salient point and you didn't like it because I didn't censor myself.

no your a noob who thinks hes making a difference with a point thats bunk seriously if you don't like it do something about it instead of bitching after a school shooting, you tend to make more friends that way

The media's not mourning the people who died at VT and I never attacked the folks that actually are.

My beef is with the way the US press sensationalizes these kinds of things and almost completely ignores the unholy massacres taking place elsewhere in the world. It's part of promoting a sense of American superiority.

I'll admit that the popular US press doesn't cover enough outside the US. But it's not just the bad things, it's nearly everything. The only times I hear about British elections, or even the upcoming Nigerian elections (which promise to be... interesting) is when I listen to NPR. But it doesn't have anything to do with promoting US superiority. It's more like we're a bunch of indifferent asstards. I'm not excluding myself from that, btw.

Perhaps it's because the situations in the Congo, the Sudan and other places are long term and unfortunately we expect people to die in civil unrest.

And in fairness, you don't expect students to die from random shootings these days? Its becoming quite regular in comparison to other countries. Can we stop caring about it if it becomes a monthly thing? No, but we also shouldn't stop caring/paying attention to other events of moral outrage.

The media has been FAR from quiet about the "collateral damage" in Iraq, so I do not think that the other thread's OP was justified in bringing that up.
Media saturation with this - less than a minute on another 60 or so people killed in a car bomb/suicide bomb/mass kidnapping and execution/etc etc.

you'll have to ask the BBC and other international media agencies why they think it's important.
The BBC spent some time on this. I'm sure their international station BBC24 spent more time on it purely because it occured in the international arena - see Beslan. Domestically, it was focused on but nothing close to the amount of domestic US services.

Sky on the other hand... well. The bastard brother of FOX has only just finished with a two day in depth story on Prince William spliting up with his girlfriend when this cropped up. They'll be kept going for a while longer.

Here's a question: When something like this happens in any other parts of the world, do the local media report on it extensively or do they say "Oh, it's not that big a deal, because X number of people were killed today in Darfur"? Show me one time, just one time, when in the immediate aftermath of a major national tragedy in another country that event was downplayed by that country's media.
Okay. Wait here while I go live in Paraguay for several years, observing their local media.

Did your media cover the near shooting rampage we had at a local community college in California?

Why not?
Because nobody can have a national day of mourning where the president will look good if it's only a near shooting.

no the press doesn't really bother with them in the UK either the reason there not reported is:

1) nobody cares what happens in klacklukistan
Klacklukistanis care.

2) you can't report the same thing everyday
Unless it's Anna Nicole, right?

3) people are desensitized to it after all this happens everyday
I don't know, I could use some more Anna Nicole.

4) the news is a business
Abso-fucking-lutely.

also its not often a kid shoots up a school even in other western nations
It's a pleasant diversion from that... you know... WAR.

no your a noob who thinks hes making a difference with a point thats bunk seriously if you don't like it do something about it instead of bitching after a school shooting, you tend to make more friends that way
LOL NOOB OMG.

Media is a business, and they cater to their audience. This is news that America wants to hear about. It's what they are talking about.

The Media only delivers what you want, or at least, what they think you want.

Americans care more about other Americans than brown people!?

Stop the fucking presses we have breaking news here!

I've been using this phrase a lot lately. Apparently half witted bleeding hearts keep thinking they've stumbled onto something pulitzer worthy, when in fact, it's the same shit we've already seen but with a different color bow tie on it.

The media's not mourning the people who died at VT and I never attacked the folks that actually are.

My beef is with the way the US press sensationalizes these kinds of things and almost completely ignores the unholy massacres taking place elsewhere in the world. It's part of promoting a sense of American superiority.

You can close the revolutionary's threads but you can't ban the revolutionary. Well... no, I suppose you could. But it'd be unreasonable to do so. I've made a salient point and you didn't like it because I didn't censor myself.

really... it's like that all over. I've seen Japanese broadcast news that gives 30 second spots about Columbine but much longer segments on the Sarin attack they had years ago.

fact of Life. News media will focus more on news that affect their own people more than news that affect another country. It's not just American. it's everywhere. and if you think that it's only US media, then you really need to get out more.

I understand that, but as I said it is terrible how the Media so obviously exploits this situation.

it makes money by making people watch and also makes people scared thus more likely to stay tuned, business is ruthless like that

And yes it is directed toward the American Media, as other medias do cover these situations a bit more in Africa.

no they don't nobody cares about poor people not even the readers of the mirror :eek:

Duh.

The media's job is not to mourn the dead.

It's job is to tell us how we're supposed to feel about people dying.[/sarcasm]

Perhaps it's because the situations in the Congo, the Sudan and other places are long term and unfortunately we expect people to die in civil unrest.
They've been long term for 15 or more years and we haven't had 15 hours of news coverage on them in all that time. Americans do not even know about Congo, if they dont' do more than sit and watch the tube.

The media has been FAR from quiet about the "collateral damage" in Iraq, so I do not think that the other thread's OP was justified in bringing that up.
BULLSHIT.

There is a great deal of money being raised privately for Darfur and other places around the globe; a good question rather than why doesn't the US do something would be why doesn't the WORLD (inclusive of the US) do something.
Because the US rules the world via the IMF and World Bank.

As for why international media picked up on 33 dead and 15 wounded at an American University, it's because when we send our children to school, we believe we are sending them to a place of safety, not death and carnage. American media picking it up is understandable; you'll have to ask the BBC and other international media agencies why they think it's important.
I think I'll send my kids to a school that is all about death and carnage... like the School of the Americas. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_americas)

http://www.clipartheaven.com/clipart/motivational/get_over_it.gif

Actually it is more outrageous than stated, someone else made a good point:

Anna Nichole was covered OVER AND OVER AND OVER, with ALOT of media coverage as if she was some politician or national hero. The Sudanese Genocide can't get a few hours worth of coverage?

http://www.clipartheaven.com/clipart/motivational/get_over_it.gif

^Krikey! We're lucky to stumble upon the troll in it's native habitat! Let's sneak up on this little bugger and determine its sex!

I've been using this phrase a lot lately. Apparently half witted bleeding hearts keep thinking they've stumbled onto something pulitzer worthy, when in fact, it's the same shit we've already seen but with a different color bow tie on it.



:eek: Why have a guy who doesn't know that a lot of Americans are icky brown people...Like myself!:rolleyes: You don't care about dead americans, seems clear here.

Okay. Wait here while I go live in Paraguay for several years, observing their local media.

So...you go off on a rant about how the American media are sensationalizing tragedy and are ignoring the rest of the world, and yet you are completely ignorant about media in other countries?

I'm pretty sure ignorance about the rest of the world fits a common stereotype of Americans, which is especially ironic given that your criticism supposedly is about our media and culture's ignorance of the rest of the world.

So...you go off on a rant about how the American media are sensationalizing tragedy and are ignoring the rest of the world, and yet you are completely ignorant about media in other countries?

I'm pretty sure ignorance about the rest of the world fits a common stereotype of Americans, which is especially ironic given that your criticism supposedly is about our media and culture's ignorance of the rest of the world.

Actually, you're completely wrong. The news in the rest of the world is really very similar to ours, but I was raised to believe that Jesus speaks English so I can only really speak on this in America, where we speak White Jesus' Holy English, goddamnit.

Am I wrong about the US media, in your meaningless opinion?

^Krikey! We're lucky to stumble upon the troll in it's native habitat! Let's sneak up on this little bugger and determine its sex!


We already know you are most likely a man...

Sssssshhhhh, seems I made the noobish toll mad...*tip toes away*

I'd like to ask the "revolutionary" how many deaths are needed before the media is allowed to do a report on it.

Are you even trying anymore?



When was he?

Because the US rules the world via the IMF and World Bank.

Are you even trying anymore?

:eek: Why have a guy who doesn't know that a lot of Americans are icky brown people...Like myself!:rolleyes: You don't care about dead americans, seems clear here.

By brown people I meant third world countries like Darfur, and you probably know it. But instead you took the high road, grabbed a pair of two by fours, and nailed yourself onto a nice big cross.

My biggest regret is that this is, of course, metaphorically speaking. If it were literal then, joyous day, your hands would be unable to type.

I'd like to ask the "revolutionary" how many deaths are needed before the media is allowed to do a report on it.

6.

Are you even trying anymore?
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I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned Israel, Jews, or a 9/11 "Truth" yet.
Israel was created by the Annunaki aliens so that Bush's secret underground shapeshifting reptilian government can have access to the oil they need for their cloning project... on 9/11.

Are you even trying anymore?

I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned Israel, Jews, or a 9/11 "Truth" yet.

Klacklukistanis care.

no there generally desensitized and/or too busy surviving it would be like me crying every time it rains

also with genocide the local power holding groups tend to be a tad motivated

Unless it's Anna Nicole, right?

celebrities are different people follow there lives and idolize/despise them in a way there like family

I don't know, I could use some more Anna Nicole.

if you had been seeing Anna Nicole since you was a child doing the same shit over and over you would think differently

Abso-fucking-lutely.

thus what a minority thinks about it is pointless

It's a pleasant diversion from that... you know... WAR.

where at war:confused:

Again:

Anna Nichole was covered OVER AND OVER AND OVER, with ALOT of media coverage as if she was some politician or national hero. The Sudanese Genocide can't get a few hours worth of coverage?

I'd like to ask the "revolutionary" how many deaths are needed before the media is allowed to do a report on it.

In order to make room for all the deaths occuring constantly, all over the world, for myriad reasons, each death will have a tenth of a second of coverage.

I agree with you here, but don't you think the VA Tech shooting, the deadliest school shooting in US history...deserves I dunno attention on NATIONAL news?

Believe me, I don't know why Anna was covered. She wasn't even that famous, so I'm stumped there. I guess they just went with it, and when it worked, they went further.

Yes the school does deserve coverage, definitely, but as I said earlier I was making a point about how the American news terribly exploits a situation like this, covers petty things like the Anna Nichole thing for hours on end when she was really not even an actress or anything just a high class hooker up, and ignores atrocities like what is going on in Africa. Basically saying their bad in so many ways.

Again:

Anna Nichole was covered OVER AND OVER AND OVER, with ALOT of media coverage as if she was some politician or national hero. The Sudanese Genocide can't get a few hours worth of coverage?

I agree with you here, but don't you think the VA Tech shooting, the deadliest school shooting in US history...deserves I dunno attention on NATIONAL news?

Believe me, I don't know why Anna was covered. She wasn't even that famous, so I'm stumped there. I guess they just went with it, and when it worked, they went further.

Again:

Anna Nichole was covered OVER AND OVER AND OVER, with ALOT of media coverage as if she was some politician or national hero. The Sudanese Genocide can't get a few hours worth of coverage?

Maybe because Americans care more about some white trash drug addict than anyone outside of their country?

Just taking a stab at it, repeatedly.

I agree with you here, but don't you think the VA Tech shooting, the deadliest school shooting in US history...deserves I dunno attention on NATIONAL news?

Believe me, I don't know why Anna was covered. She wasn't even that famous, so I'm stumped there. I guess they just went with it, and when it worked, they went further.
"The deadliest school shooting in US history took place today at Virginia Tech, the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history. It was the deadliest school shooting in US history. Never has there been a deadlier school shooting in US history, making this the deadliest school shooting in US history."

^Last night's news, every channel, for hours on end.

And the point you're trying to make? Don't agree with me? Read wikipedia: With a death toll of 33,[105] this is the deadliest single-perpetrator civilian shooting in United States history, surpassing the Luby's massacre of 1991 in which 24 people were killed.[105]. Internationally, it is surpassed by the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre in the Australian state of Tasmania where 35 people were killed by a single gunman. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre)

"The deadliest school shooting in US history took place today at Virginia Tech, the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history. It was the deadliest school shooting in US history. Never has there been a deadlier school shooting in US history, making this the deadliest school shooting in US history."

^Last night's news, every channel, for hours on end.

Is the TV so difficult to operate that you cannot change to say any of the channels I've been watching? Oh! I'm sorry. I forgot I was talking to someone without any hands.

I say that because your posts are so incomprehensibly stupid, I'm beginning to believe you just smash your face into the keyboard until you form a semi-coherent sentence.

1. That is the single worst argument I've ever seem. You completely disrespect and insult the victims here.

2. Africa is not apart of the US.

3. If they cannot run their own nations properly, then why do they run at all?

The only responsibility the US has is to its own citizenry.

A thread was locked, but it made a valid point. Why is there so much focus on every news channel on 33 dead at an American University, when millions are dieing in Africa, the Sudan has genocide where hundreds or even thousands die weekly, etc.

I almost cried when hearing about Virginia Tech shooting, and do believe that it needs to be covered. It is so sad when other young people with hopes and dreams die. But at the same time I think other things should be covered, at other times...

The problem is with the American Media. They exploit the issues they want to, and ignore other issues. You notice the President made an immediate statement, etc. The Media scrambles to actually in my eyes exploit families, as (I know they do) they actively seek out victim's families to badger and get an interview out of in order to talk about it. They then on national television, a DAY AFTER their family member has passed away, ask the people questions such as "Well I guess this is the last thing you expected when your younger brother went off to college?" (?!).


The American Media has some serious issues, obviously. And the fact is that from what I understand when I spoke to an international photographer the American Media will not buy pictures of what is going on in the Sudan, or are not so interested in what is going on. The fact is thousands of children are dieing a day from starvation, and the world ignores them. The world mostly ignores the Sudanese genocide, etc. A lot of it is what the Media chooses to report on.

Anna Nichole was covered OVER AND OVER AND OVER, with ALOT of media coverage as if she was some politician or national hero. The Sudanese Genocide can't get a few hours worth of coverage?

I don't even care that much about Sudan its a shithole in the middle of nowhere oh boo hoo people are dying welcome to the real world please leave your sanity behind

Last night's news, every channel, for hours on end.

could it be that the people get what the people want :eek: (really I fail to see why your still going on about this yes the people don't care, get over it (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Get-Over-It-lyrics-OK-Go/D3A33DCF4B53704748256C4500037608))

1. That is the single worst argument I've ever seem. You completely disrespect and insult the victims here.

2. Africa is not apart of the US.

3. If they cannot run their own nations properly, then why do they run at all?

The only responsibility the US has is to its own citizenry.





HUH?!

1. That is the single worst argument I've ever seem. You completely disrespect and insult the victims here.

You completely disrespect and insult the victims of genocide and abuse in Africa, children dieing every day and people suffering horribly.

I did not disrespect the victims of this school shooting, I felt it very strongly, but I do disrespect the American Media.

Anna Nicole was covered over and over and over again, because people bought the tabloids and turned on the shows, and showed, that for some reason, they CARED...why, I don't know. I got bored with it about 3 seconds after I heard that she had died...thought, wow, too bad for her daughter and family, then thought...I'll bet someone got rich on a death pool.

As I stated in another thread, the media doesn't cover the atrocities in the African countries, because, well, to a certain extent, people expect that people are going to suffer and die in a country that is in civil unrest. Is it right, no, is it horrible, yes. Has it been going on since the dawn of time...pretty much. Should we do something about it...probably, but I remember raising money for Ethiopia, and then finding out that the government is so corrupt, that any money/aid/supplies weren't going where they were needed. I would bet, and I can't say for sure, that the situation in the Sudan and in Congo and all those other places is pretty similar. People tend to stop paying attention, when they believe they can't do anything. Is it the right way to think, nope, but, in my situation, with a home and 2 young children that depend on me to take care of them, I can't be jetting off to Darfur to try and make a difference. Would I send some money....if I thought it would do any good, probably. Do I want to line the government and military pockets, not at all. So I keep my money and I think about how horrible it is, and wish I could do more.

The shooting at VTech was a jarring reminder that no matter what, we aren't really safe anywhere. No matter where we go, however safe we think we are, there could always be a deranged person with a chip on their shoulder. Because we DON'T live in a country things like this happen on a daily basis, it's shocking. We don't think we are going to go to German class, and end up watching our friends die, we don't think we are going to turn on the television, and see that a college in a town right next to where our best friend lives is on the news because someone decided to go on a shooting rampage. We don't think we are going to be calling said friend, because we know that her husband does work on campus quite a bit of time. Parents don't think they are dropping their child off at college, and at some point in the year will get a phone call that says their child was killed. That's why its news.

We can scream and yell that the media sucks and is sensationalizing it, we can scream and yell that the media coverage sucks, all that...but when it comes down to it, sensationalism sells, if it bleeds, it leads. My husband works for a news station, and I can't tell you how many times I call him after the news, and yell at him because of some of the images that the local news decided to put on air. There were horribly inappropriate images on air yesterday...of them carrying victims out. I wouldn't want to be the parent/sister/friend of the girl I saw carried out, and finding out that she was a victim from watching television.

In a perfect world, there would be equal coverage of all things, hell, in a perfect world, this crap wouldn't happen at all. It isn't a perfect world, and never will be.

I did not disrespect the victims of this school shooting, I felt it very strongly, but I do disrespect the American Media.

Please keep masturbation to a minimum around here.

They've been long term for 15 or more years and we haven't had 15 hours of news coverage on them in all that time. Americans do not even know about Congo, if they dont' do more than sit and watch the tube.
Funny, I'm American and I know. Methinks you're mistaken.


BULLSHIT.
Source? Any kind of argument? Or is 'bullshit' your way of responding when you haven't anything cogent to say?


Because the US rules the world via the IMF and World Bank.
I thought it was the Jews that usually ruled the world in the paranoid's view. Odd.


I think I'll send my kids to a school that is all about death and carnage... like the School of the Americas. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_americas)
Troll.

Actually, you're completely wrong. The news in the rest of the world is really very similar to ours, but I was raised to believe that Jesus speaks English so I can only really speak on this in America, where we speak White Jesus' Holy English, goddamnit.

Am I wrong about the US media, in your meaningless opinion?

Trolling again.

6.


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Israel was created by the Annunaki aliens so that Bush's secret underground shapeshifting reptilian government can have access to the oil they need for their cloning project... on 9/11.

Uh huh. And again, I say troll.

As for why international media picked up on 33 dead and 15 wounded at an American University, it's because when we send our children to school, we believe we are sending them to a place of safety, not death and carnage. American media picking it up is understandable; you'll have to ask the BBC and other international media agencies why they think it's important.

I agree with you.

And I have to ask other posters here, what makes you think these guys are not mourning? Just because you do not see it on camera does not mean that they are not.

Funny, I'm American and I know. Methinks you're mistaken.



Source? Any kind of argument? Or is 'bullshit' your way of responding when you haven't anything cogent to say?



I thought it was the Jews that usually ruled the world in the paranoid's view. Odd.



Troll.



Trolling again.



Uh huh. And again, I say troll.



How can he troll atleast 3 times in here and not be warned? He just wants attention and is using this tragedy to do it.

Yea, Ke Tu Lu is over the top, but this thread was mainly about how corrupt and ridiculous the American Media is.

really... it's like that all over. I've seen Japanese broadcast news that gives 30 second spots about Columbine but much longer segments on the Sarin attack they had years ago.

fact of Life. News media will focus more on news that affect their own people more than news that affect another country. It's not just American. it's everywhere. and if you think that it's only US media, then you really need to get out more.

Don't feed the troll. It is obvious he has no clue what he is talking about.

Nice point btw :)

Yea, Ke Tu Lu is over the top, but this thread was mainly about how corrupt and ridiculous All News Media are.
There, fixed. ;)

BULLSHIT.

I see you do not watch the news. Believe me. American Media is indeed far from quiet when it comes to violence in Iraq.

Because the US rules the world via the IMF and World Bank.

BULLSHIT

I think I'll send my kids to a school that is all about death and carnage... like the School of the Americas. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_americas)

:rolleyes:

Yea, Ke Tu Lu is over the top, but this thread was mainly about how corrupt and ridiculous the American Media is.

You're not far behind him.

Actually it is more outrageous than stated, someone else made a good point:

Anna Nichole was covered OVER AND OVER AND OVER, with ALOT of media coverage as if she was some politician or national hero. The Sudanese Genocide can't get a few hours worth of coverage?

That's because no one is doing jackshit over in Darfur. If someone was actually doing something then it would be all over. Even the BBC is hardly covering Darfur anymore. Why? Because 1) we know what is going on over there and 2) no one is doing anything to stop it.

Are you even trying anymore?

No he isn't. He's a troll but not even close to others I could name.

Again:

Anna Nichole was covered OVER AND OVER AND OVER, with ALOT of media coverage as if she was some politician or national hero. The Sudanese Genocide can't get a few hours worth of coverage?

ANNA NICOLE SMITH WAS A CELEBRITY!!! Hence the coverage. Do you not understand this?

I agree with you here, but don't you think the VA Tech shooting, the deadliest [shooting rampage] in US history...deserves I dunno attention on NATIONAL news?

Of course it does. Oh and it is fixed for accuracy.

ANNA NICOLE SMITH WAS A CELEBRITY!!! Hence the coverage. Do you not understand this?

*whispers*
I think that may be his point: washed up celebrity gets more attention than genocidal actions.

"The deadliest school shooting in US history took place today at Virginia Tech, the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history. It was the deadliest school shooting in US history. Never has there been a deadlier school shooting in US history, making this the deadliest school shooting in US history."

^Last night's news, every channel, for hours on end.

Now I'll call more Bullshit. It was not on every channel so go stick it out your ass.

I'm having a hard time replying because somehow I'm logged into NS but not the forum, except randomly sometimes. Pray for me.

Anyway....

In a perfect world, there would be equal coverage of all things, hell, in a perfect world, this crap wouldn't happen at all. It isn't a perfect world, and never will be.
Never? That's a little pessimistic.

Funny, I'm American and I know. Methinks you're mistaken.
Congratulations, you're in the educated boat with me. Now do you see most Americans in here with us? No, of course not. They're too busy buying the latest magnetic ribbons for the backs of their unnecessarily large cars. "4/16 Never Forget"

Source? Any kind of argument? Or is 'bullshit' your way of responding when you haven't anything cogent to say?
You know the word cogent! I submit.

The US media doesn't spend an appropriate amount of time discussing how many Iraqis have died as a result of the US invasion and occupation of their country. When somebody finally had the gall to ask the military for their input on it, they had similar gall to say, "We don't record civilian casualties." This is common knowledge and I'm not going to cite a peer-reviewed journalism-statistics journal for you. In fact, I don't need any evidence for anything ever... because "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."

I thought it was the Jews that usually ruled the world in the paranoid's view. Odd.
I actually am a Jew and if you make one more anti-Semitic comment, I'm calling the ADL.

Troll.
How is it trollish to point out that the School of the Americas trains killers?

Trolling again.

Only if you have absolutely no sense of humor whatsoever. Jesus.

Uh huh. And again, I say troll.
Seriously, it's a good book. Wouldn't hurt you to read it.


Yea, Ke Tu Lu is over the top, but this thread was mainly about how corrupt and ridiculous the American Media is.
Exactly. I'm no more over the top than television news is.

"Tonight at 11: Several posters caught feelings because some asshole had the audacity to speak his mind on an issue that Americans are still convinced they should be emotionally sensitive about."

I see you do not watch the news. Believe me. American Media is indeed far from quiet when it comes to violence in Iraq.
Bullshit.

BULLSHIT
No, you are.

Yea, Ke Tu Lu is over the top, but this thread was mainly about how corrupt and ridiculous the American Media is.

Oh shut up.

There, fixed. ;)

Here Here.

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I couldn't even try to Troll that hard.

*whispers*
I think that may be his point: washed up celebrity gets more attention than genocidal actions.

Well when people begin to invoke the Genocide convention maybe something will be done about it. Oops. I guess the international community forgot about that little treaty.

Oh shut up.

What, I am an voting US citizen and yes the American media is over the top and ridiculous.

And yes, there is something wrong with covering a washed up celebrity like Anna Nichole more than genocide in Africa.

What, I am an voting US citizen and yes the American media is over the top and ridiculous.

It's in every culture. Pointing out America is just jumping on a very long and tired bandwagon.

I thought it was the Jews that usually ruled the world in the paranoid's view. Odd.

I actually am a Jew and if you make one more anti-Semitic comment, I'm calling the ADL.

And tell them WHAT? That I pointed out that usually people who are trolling for a reaction blame Jews because they're ignorant? Boy are YOU barking up the wrong tree. For someone so smart you completely miss context clues and sarcasm.

Congratulations, you're in the educated boat with me. Now do you see most Americans in here with us? No, of course not. They're too busy buying the latest magnetic ribbons for the backs of their unnecessarily large cars. "4/16 Never Forget"

Do you know where I can get one of those? I want one! BTW, I also know what is going on in Congo, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia, Iran, and other places.

You know the word cogent! I submit.

The US media doesn't spend an appropriate amount of time discussing how many Iraqis have died as a result of the US invasion and occupation of their country. When somebody finally had the gall to ask the military for their input on it, they had similar gall to say, "We don't record civilian casualties." This is common knowledge and I'm not going to cite a peer-reviewed journalism-statistics journal for you. In fact, I don't need any evidence for anything ever... because "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."

Ohhh. I smell a mocking here. Does not spend enough time on it? Seems like every time I turn on the news, they are talking about violence in Iraq. How much time should they spend on it? You are complaining about this but I know you would complain if they spend all of their time talking about the violence in Iraq.

I actually am a Jew and if you make one more anti-Semitic comment, I'm calling the ADL.

*dies of laughter* That was not anti-semitic jerkoff.

Exactly. I'm no more over the top than television news is.

HAHA yes you are.

"Tonight at 11: Several posters caught feelings because some asshole had the audacity to speak his mind on an issue that Americans are still convinced they should be emotionally sensitive about."

:rolleyes: There is speaking one's mind then there is being made a fool of. You sir, are being made a fool of. Please come back and try again later. Better yet, don't. Go get yourself an education.

Bullshit.

Prove my statement is BS. Go on prove it.

No, you are.

Prove it! I know you can't.

Well when people begin to invoke the Genocide convention maybe something will be done about it. Oops. I guess the international community forgot about that little treaty.
The Genocide.... convention.... say wha'?

I couldn't even try to Troll that hard.

at least you'll be better at it than he is :D

And tell them WHAT? That I pointed out that usually people who are trolling for a reaction blame Jews because they're ignorant? Boy are YOU barking up the wrong tree. For someone so smart you completely miss context clues and sarcasm.

Hey buddy, if you want to make anti-Semitic comments, go to some other board. This is supposed to be a family friendly site, you fuck.

*dies of laughter* That was not anti-semitic jerkoff.
Oh, so now you're ganging up on me. Typical anti-semitic behavior, blaming the Jews for all your problems. I really thought humanity had moved past this.

The Genocide.... convention.... say wha'?

I am pretty sure it was a brainfart for GENEVA CONVENTION.

What, I am an voting US citizen and yes the American media is over the top and ridiculous.

And yes, there is something wrong with covering a washed up celebrity like Anna Nichole more than genocide in Africa.

Genocide happens all the time in Africa. Maybe when the UN invokes the Genocide Convention which requires them to put a stop to it, then there will be more coverage on it. I'll garuntee you that.

As to the media being over the top, all media is over the top, not just American. Or did you not figure that out?

Hey buddy, if you want to make anti-Semitic comments, go to some other board. This is supposed to be a family friendly site, you fuck.

Flaming too. Nice.
Goodbye, Ke Tu Lu.

at least you'll be better at it than he is :D

Hey buddy, if you want to make anti-Semitic comments, go to some other board. This is supposed to be a family friendly site, you fuck.

No, this guy is just too good. All I can do is bust people's balls with borderline/overtheline inflammatory posts.

Flaming too. Nice.
Goodbye, Ke Tu Lu.

Well just make sure you catch "Anatomy of a Rampage" tonight on CBS for all the juicy details on the deadliest school shooting in US history.

The Genocide.... convention.... say wha'?

Article 8

Any Contracting Party may call upon the competent organs of the United Nations to take such action under the Charter of the United Nations as they consider appropriate for the prevention and suppression of acts of genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III.

No one seems to want to do anything.

I am pretty sure it was a brainfart for GENEVA CONVENTION.

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Genocide happens all the time in Africa. Maybe when the UN invokes the Genocide Convention which requires them to put a stop to it, then there will be more coverage on it. I'll garuntee you that.

As to the media being over the top, all media is over the top, not just American. Or did you not figure that out?


I believe the US Media to be of particularly low quality....

And even if it happens all the time, does that make it right or ok? So if school shootings start happening all the time in the US, they should not be covered? I think both should be covered, and something as major as genocide should be covered wherever it is in the world.

The fact is the US Media intentionally ignores the genocide and provides little to no coverage. This is a travesty.

I stand corrected, Corneliu.

No one seems to want to do anything.
Next time provide a link please?

You're right apart from the 10,000 troops in there already and the provision for attack helicopters and APCs to be made - with hopefully more regional troops to come soon. Better than "nothing" right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6562201.stm

Wait, maybe "nothing" means something different in your language? What do you speak?

I stand corrected, Corneliu.

I think hell just froze over a little :D

Just kidding, Corny.

I think hell just froze over a little :Dbrainfarts do happen.. but not this time. :D

Corneliu, do you have a Web cam?
I would love to see your face.. in an explosion of gloating and satisfaction

Well just make sure you catch "Anatomy of a Rampage" tonight on CBS for all the juicy details on the deadliest school shooting in US history.

Bold all you want, Bath School disaster was worse, and I don't need another hour of the same stuff they knew this morning.

Bold all you want, Bath School disaster was worse, and I don't need another hour of the same stuff they knew this morning.

yep... but note the qualifiers... VT is the worst School SHOOTING in US history. Bath was explosives.

I think hell just froze over a little :D

Just kidding, Corny.

I admit when I'm wrong. In this case, I was wrong. :)

It's been a day. One day. I'm sick of it already!

*grabs camera*
*turns on tv*
*records*

http://www.ringo.com/videos/videos.html?videoId=209550978

*sighs*

Where's the happy tv? :(

Where's the happy tv? :(
those channels are usually scrambled or pay-per-view. :p

It's much more different when it's closer to home. Americans and Europeans alike can voice their objection to Iraq or Darfur, but when it comes down to it, the people being killed are neither on the same continent nor of the same nationality.

32 people getting killed in Iraq is a tragedy to an Iraqi, news to an American.

32 people getting killed in Virginia is a tragedy to America, but doesn't personally affect the great masses of other nations.

Plus you have to consider the fact that we don't expect mass murders in Western schools. We view the West as an invincible fortress that cannot take any harm from anything, and we view regions such as Iraq as war torn hellholes. We know that people will die in Iraq. We would never predict that some life-long fuck up would shoot up a school in the middle of the US.

Where's the happy tv? :(rite here:
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/ksm0816l.jpg
:D

A thread was locked, but it made a valid point. Why is there so much focus on every news channel on 33 dead at an American University, when millions are dieing in Africa, the Sudan has genocide where hundreds or even thousands die weekly, etc.
why is it reported on, and why does it affect you so much more?
It's all about the Monkey Sphere.

Thank you, Ke Te Lu, for making valid points about the U.S. news media, and also for pointing out the School of Americas.

I'm more shocked at some of the comments of those who can ignore the fact that distance is only relative, and we are all part of the same human race...no one needs to be forced to govern themselves, liberate themselves, and "collateral damage" in Iraq (I take it this is his euphemism for deaths here? Since when did ordered murder at someone's resistance, ever become replaced with the idea of civility?) is entirely unacceptable.

Complete disregard for large numbers of violations of civil rights, and allowing the School of Americas to exist here in the States (torture and assassination training camps, to set up this way of "doing business" in other countries), when we are supposedly against terrorism, is a far cry from concern for 33 dead in Virginia Tech University.

It is this kind of hypocrisy at home, that makes us unfit to even set foot in another country, without respecting their own pre-established rules and customs.

For anyone who told Ke Te Lu to stop bitching and do something about it, this IS a way of doing something about it. Communication with the world is just as valid, because hopefully it will stir something up in you such as a spine, to not elect people into office who are deadset on ridding the world of "criminals", while making themselves look good in the process...which is why I am *not* voting for Obama (former law attorney, attracted to the Criminal Justice System...who says he is not against "all" wars, but he is against this one. Probably in order to get himself elected because he knows America has gotten "tired" or "bored" of this sick game we call "liberation", we want our soldiers home, so it is an opportune time to strike, and it is the popular thing to say. Why not be against only wars that are purely defensive, in that case? Usually those attracted to the Criminal Justice field tend to put most of their resources into the police and military, and I am willing to bet my money that if elected, that will be his primary focus. That is the last thing this country needs. We need to go out of debt, not further into it.), nor of course, for Bush.

There are two reasons war is committed: the dissemination of religious beliefs, and for control over resources. The first is often a sneakier mask for the latter, if it ever involves "civilizing" another place through force. If we have to defend our country, it should be on our turf, and never encroaching upon another. Just so most of you can sit on your arses and watch American Idol without worrying that a world outside of you exists? How dare you claim, Katganistan, that the rest of the world needs to [inclusively] clean up the grave and imperialistic errors that the U.S. government has chosen, over the last century? Do you realize that the typical American consumes the same amount of energy as 30-40 people in a third world country? That the amount of waste and pollution we produce is 26% of the entire world's? Have you read in history, about the Philippine/American (http://www.filipino-americans.com/cgi-bin/redirect.cgi?url=filamwar.html) war? The world is a small place, my friend, and our time is running out.

I'd like to ask the "revolutionary" how many deaths are needed before the media is allowed to do a report on it.

I was once conducting interviews and one of the questions I asked was "If you were one of the judges for the Miss America pageant, what question would you ask the contestants?"

Of 55 interviews, my favorite response was "How many innocent children's deaths does it take to end a bloody civil war in Africa?"
Wrong? Yes. But so brilliant.


I admit when I'm wrong. In this case, I was wrong. :)

That is such a rare and admirable quality. *Applauds*
It's been a day. One day. I'm sick of it already!

*grabs camera*
*turns on tv*
*records*

http://www.ringo.com/videos/videos.html?videoId=209550978

*sighs*

Where's the happy tv? :(

I'll give you some happy tv ruffy ;)

Why is it so hard to understand?

The tragedy at Virginia tech is the biggest thing in the US media because it happened in the US. This is more improtant to us then the Sudan genocide because it happened closer to us and it affects us more. Like i am sure the people of Zimbabwe, Sudan, North Korea, China, Iraq etc etc are hearing more about the things happening in their country then they are about the Virginia tech students, because it is closer to them and affects them more then the tragedy that happened here..

Bush is only upset because he now has 33 people fewer to send to Iraq.

Bush is only upset because he now has 33 people fewer to send to Iraq.

:rolleyes:

What the hell can anybody do about civil unrest and massacres in the third world? Iraq and Afganistan show this. We cannot change the government, sanctions hit the most vulnerable people and cutting off diplomatic relations means nobody is talking and trying to get change. Organisations like Amnesty International rant on about this but provide no answers. The cynical side of me thinks that if they did, they would'nt have their little charity fund raising dinners with drinkys! Also apparantly, every time you use a gun smiley, a fairy dies, so stop it!

What the hell can anybody do about civil unrest and massacres in the third world? Iraq and Afganistan show this. We cannot change the government, sanctions hit the most vulnerable people and cutting off diplomatic relations means nobody is talking and trying to get change. Organisations like Amnesty International rant on about this but provide no answers. The cynical side of me thinks that if they did, they would'nt have their little charity fund raising dinners with drinkys! Also apparantly, every time you use a gun smiley, a fairy dies, so stop it!

:mp5: :sniper:

Die fairy die :D

The problem is not so much the american media, but the international media that actually believe they are international. The Virginia Tech shooting is an internal affair of the United States. You cannot blame the american media for focusing a lot in the incident, and for giving 24 hours report on the matter, but broadcasting companies and networks like BBC and CNN, that claim to be fresh about the "international situation", should focus more on geopolitics and the worldwide events that are happening all the time, than to focus so much in the internal affairs, as shocking as it could be, of only one country. Blame the so called "globalization".

The "americanism" evident in the globalization symdrome is fairly obvious, and can be noted easily in most of the tools we use for international exchange of information, including the internet, and things like this forum. I will speak from my experience as Press manager, and after have been working in the media for some time, I think I can issue a bit of expertise.

I refused to give the news from Virginia more attention than I gave the protests in Moscow, the split of the iraqi goverment, the negotiations of peace in Cuba, the Nigeria electoral campaign, aand...I can't remember the rests of the news of the day. Why?, because it is mainly a national event, even more, it IS a regional event. It affected the population of ONE state in the United States. Sadly as it might be, it was a crime, just that. A massive crime? Yes, but it didn't even have something that could make it more relevant for the international scene. Was it a terrorist attack?, Did it have a political background? No, it was just another sociopath or psychopath gone wild. Why should a murder, even a big one, be more important in the US than in Paraguay?

News and media are business, yes. We that work there are looking for profit, and for us, rating is profit. Rating is easily achieved through the exploit of facts like the Virginia Tech shooting. But there is something called ethics, too, that should affect the work of every one and sadly affect less than it should. Ethics demand, in mass communication, that you report the truly important facts, or at least to give the same coverage to different news of the same relative weight from every corner of the world. Should we report it? Yes. Should we report it as the mkain international event of the day? No.

Anna Nicole Smith's death is not an international news report. Unless you are working for a segmented media that specializes in the life of celebrities, you shouldn't be giving a report on what happened each hour. Same with the Virginia shooting. Actually, the regional media of Virginia should be having a full coverage, the american national media should be giving reports once each hour, and the international media, american-based or not, should be giving a daily report, not giving it complete coverage all the time.

Take this forum, for example. It is allowed to make jokes on the somali situation, for example, but not about Virginia Tech. Why? I wonder if it is based in the fact that we have a lot of americans around that get offended by the jokes, and having no somalis in comparison. I have to remark that the jokes are of extremely bad taste, and that should been forbidden as it was done in this thread, yet I cannot see the reasons behind the double standard.

Oh, and about labels. We are not brown people, that label is also offensive, as offensive as gringo, or even worst. Of course, I don't think it matters, because the ones offended are brown people and not americans, who can't even withstand the argument about them being USians and not americans.

This isn't something that's special with the US media, the media acts like this all over the world. They want to get vievers or readers so they stick up a microphone right up the relatives faces in order to sell stories. It makes me sick when I see someone interview a relative or a victim that's clearly in shock and probably doesn't even know what he/she is saying. But who's really to blame for this? The media or the people who consume it?

This isn't something that's special with the US media, the media acts like this all over the world. They want to get vievers or readers so they stick up a microphone right up the relatives faces in order to sell stories. It makes me sick when I see someone interview a relative or a victim that's clearly in shock and probably doesn't even know what he/she is saying. But who's really to blame for this? The media or the people who consume it?

Media sells what the people buys, or wants to buy. It shouldn't be thatway,and some people try to fight the tide, but it is usually hard to.

This isn't something that's special with the US media, the media acts like this all over the world. They want to get vievers or readers so they stick up a microphone right up the relatives faces in order to sell stories. It makes me sick when I see someone interview a relative or a victim that's clearly in shock and probably doesn't even know what he/she is saying. But who's really to blame for this? The media or the people who consume it?

HOw about neither?

My perspective as the editor of a weekly community newspaper that's usually EXCLUSIVELY focused on one county in Maryland is that the Virginia Tech tragedy is one of the rare times that a community newspaper such as mine has to either find a local angle to the tragedy or it has to make an exception and include *something* about it.

I wasn't there at the time 9/11 happened, so I have no way of knowing how I would have approached things then, but I was fortunate because two things happened in my county that were related to what happened in Blacksburg. That gave me a local angle to write a quick story on deadline to tie the local angle into the national story.

The sad reality is this: Bad news sells. A story about a woman who got a class ring nearly 80 years after she graduated from high schools isn't going to sell a lot of Washington Posts. A story about a family who lost their son, their daughter, their brother, their boyfriend, their friend, in Virginia Tech does sell newspapers. It causes people to flip on the nightly news. It causes people to go to CNN.com.

Until the day comes when people pass up the latest killings for the feel-good feature on a consistent basis, people in the media will continue to do what it can to report the news, even if people think it's sensationalist.

The problem is not so much the american media, but the international media that actually believe they are international. The Virginia Tech shooting is an internal affair of the United States. You cannot blame the american media for focusing a lot in the incident, and for giving 24 hours report on the matter, but broadcasting companies and networks like BBC and CNN, that claim to be fresh about the "international situation", should focus more on geopolitics and the worldwide events that are happening all the time, than to focus so much in the internal affairs, as shocking as it could be, of only one country. Blame the so called "globalization".

The "americanism" evident in the globalization symdrome is fairly obvious, and can be noted easily in most of the tools we use for international exchange of information, including the internet, and things like this forum. I will speak from my experience as Press manager, and after have been working in the media for some time, I think I can issue a bit of expertise.

I refused to give the news from Virginia more attention than I gave the protests in Moscow, the split of the iraqi goverment, the negotiations of peace in Cuba, the Nigeria electoral campaign, aand...I can't remember the rests of the news of the day. Why?, because it is mainly a national event, even more, it IS a regional event. It affected the population of ONE state in the United States. Sadly as it might be, it was a crime, just that. A massive crime? Yes, but it didn't even have something that could make it more relevant for the international scene. Was it a terrorist attack?, Did it have a political background? No, it was just another sociopath or psychopath gone wild. Why should a murder, even a big one, be more important in the US than in Paraguay?

News and media are business, yes. We that work there are looking for profit, and for us, rating is profit. Rating is easily achieved through the exploit of facts like the Virginia Tech shooting. But there is something called ethics, too, that should affect the work of every one and sadly affect less than it should. Ethics demand, in mass communication, that you report the truly important facts, or at least to give the same coverage to different news of the same relative weight from every corner of the world. Should we report it? Yes. Should we report it as the mkain international event of the day? No.

Anna Nicole Smith's death is not an international news report. Unless you are working for a segmented media that specializes in the life of celebrities, you shouldn't be giving a report on what happened each hour. Same with the Virginia shooting. Actually, the regional media of Virginia should be having a full coverage, the american national media should be giving reports once each hour, and the international media, american-based or not, should be giving a daily report, not giving it complete coverage all the time.

Take this forum, for example. It is allowed to make jokes on the somali situation, for example, but not about Virginia Tech. Why? I wonder if it is based in the fact that we have a lot of americans around that get offended by the jokes, and having no somalis in comparison. I have to remark that the jokes are of extremely bad taste, and that should been forbidden as it was done in this thread, yet I cannot see the reasons behind the double standard.

Oh, and about labels. We are not brown people, that label is also offensive, as offensive as gringo, or even worst. Of course, I don't think it matters, because the ones offended are brown people and not americans, who can't even withstand the argument about them being USians and not americans.


Very well said, and very insightful. I agree.

I had lunch with a woman yesterday at the convention center here. We were talking about this and I said "More than guns, violent video games, or any other factor, the media is to blame for these mass shootings" She asked why and I said that when a suicidal kid decides to go out, he knows he will get days/weeks of pothumous coverage (like the Columbine killers) rather than a 3 sentence newspaper blurb if he offs himself only. I told her "Harris and Klebold were the Columbine killers. I remember their names because the media made them famous. This guy will be equally famous. Other kids will want the same treatment. They will do the same thing". She agreed with my point.

And the fact he sent videotapes to the Media stating his intentions and letters shows that sickeningly he made his point.

I had lunch with a woman yesterday at the convention center here. We were talking about this and I said "More than guns, violent video games, or any other factor, the media is to blame for these mass shootings" She asked why and I said that when a suicidal kid decides to go out, he knows he will get days/weeks of pothumous coverage (like the Columbine killers) rather than a 3 sentence newspaper blurb if he offs himself only. I told her "Harris and Klebold were the Columbine killers. I remember their names because the media made them famous. This guy will be equally famous. Other kids will want the same treatment. They will do the same thing". She agreed with my point.

I had lunch with a woman yesterday at the convention center here. We were talking about this and I said "More than guns, violent video games, or any other factor, the media is to blame for these mass shootings" She asked why and I said that when a suicidal kid decides to go out, he knows he will get days/weeks of pothumous coverage (like the Columbine killers) rather than a 3 sentence newspaper blurb if he offs himself only. I told her "Harris and Klebold were the Columbine killers. I remember their names because the media made them famous. This guy will be equally famous. Other kids will want the same treatment. They will do the same thing". She agreed with my point.

HOwever, this brought up a point about Campus shooting. My university is going over their protocals and changes could be made to them. Changes will be made all over the country on college campuses because of him.

BTW: I forgot the names of the Columbine Killers. I guess they are not that famous afterall.

HOwever, this brought up a point about Campus shooting. My university is going over their protocals and changes could be made to them. Changes will be made all over the country on college campuses because of him.

BTW: I forgot the names of the Columbine Killers. I guess they are not that famous afterall.

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

A little research would be beneficial sometimes.