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Bush Terrorism Conspiracy?

Grave_n_idle
17-04-2007, 12:53
I was just surfing through the tubes of the interwebs, when I happened across a little detail that stuck to my radar. Perhaps everyone already knows all about it - but it seemed interesting to me:


"Posada Boasted of Plans to "Hit" Cuban Plane, CIA Document States.

Washington D.C. June 9, 2005 - Luis Posada Carriles spoke of plans to "hit" a Cuban airliner only days before Cubana flight 455 exploded on October 6, 1976, killing all 73 passengers aboard, according to a declassified CIA document from 1976 posted by the National Security Archive today.

The CIA document described a $1000-a-plate fundraiser in Caracas held between September 22 and October 5, 1976, to support the activities of Orlando Bosch, the head of CORU, which the FBI has described as "an anti-Castro terrorist umbrella organization."

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB157/index.htm

Important names here:

CORU: "Coordination of United Revolutionary Organizations" (which the FBI has described as "an anti-Castro terrorist umbrella organization")

Orlando Bosch: Cuban exile, opponent of Castro, linked to (but never charged) the bombing of Cubana Flight 455 which killed 73 people.

"According to Cuban authorities Bosch was involved in 78 terrorist attacks on Spain, England, Japan, Mexico, Poland, and other countries that traded with Cuba.

In October, 1968, United States officials arrested Bosch for terrorist activities...

Bosch was freed in 1972. The following year he moved to Venezuela where he joined up with Guillermo Novo and Luis Posada.

In February, 1968, Ricardo Morales Navarrete was arrested and charged with placing an explosive device in the building of a company trading with Cuba. He was eventually released on this charge and agreed to become a FBI informer and went to work for Bosch... Ricardo worked for Posada's security agency in Venezuela and admitted that he and Lugo had planted two bombs on the plane. Ricardo claimed the bombing had been organized by Bosch and Luis Posada. When Posada was arrested he was found with a map of Washington showing the daily route of to work of Orlando Letelier, the former Chilean Foreign Minister, who had been assassinated on 21st September, 1976.

Herman Ricardo and Freddy Lugo were both sentenced to twenty years imprisonment. In 1987 Bosch was freed with the help of Otto Reich, the White House's leading adviser on Latin America. Bosch entered the United States, where he was granted asylum. He was eventually pardoned by President George Bush on 18th July, 1990".

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbosch.htm

Importnant names here:

Orlando Bosch, again.

George H W Bush: The person who issued the pardon for Bosch.

Now - while Bosch has not (yet) admitted openly an involvement in the bombing of Flight 455, an interview last year does suggest very strongly that he was involved:

"If I tell you that I was involved, I will be inculpating myself . . . . and if I tell you that did not participate in that action, you would say that I am lying. I am therefore not going to answer one thing or the other... in a war such as us cubans who love liberty wage against the tyrant, you have to down planes, you have to sink ships, you have to be prepared to attack anything that is within your reach... I saw the young girls on television. There were six of them. After the end of the competition, the leader of the six dedicated their triumph to the tyrant etc etc. She gave a speech filled with praise for the tyrant. We had already agreed in Santo Domingo, that every one who comes from Cuba to glorify the tyrant had to run the same risks as those men and women that fight alongside the tyranny."

http://www.counterpunch.org/pertierra04112006.html

"In 1985, Jeb Bush acted as a conduit on behalf of supporters of the Nicaraguan contras with his father, then the vice-president, and helped arrange for IMC to provide free medical treatment for the contras.

Jeb Bush sealed his popularity with the Cuban exile community by acting as campaign manager for another prominent Cuban-American, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, when she ran successfully for Congress... She has since lobbied successfully for the release of several exiles convicted of terrorist offences held in US jails but who now live freely in Miami.

Most controversially, at the request of Jeb, Mr Bush Sr intervened to release the convicted Cuban terrorist Orlando Bosch from prison and then granted him US residency.

In July this year, Jeb Bush nominated Raoul Cantero, the grandson of Batista, as a Florida supreme court judge despite his lack of experience. Mr Cantero had previously represented Bosch and acted as his spokesman, once describing Bosch on Miami radio as a "great Cuban patriot".

Other Cuban exiles involved in terrorist acts, Jose Dionisio Suarez and Virgilio Paz Romero, who carried out the 1976 assassination of the Chilean diplomat Orlando Letelier in Washington, have also been released by the current Bush administration."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,851913,00.html

Important names here:

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen: Cuban-American lobbyist for the release of convicted exile terrorists.

Orlando Bosch: Again.

Raoul Cantero: Nominated as supreme court judge by Jeb Bush. Represented Bosch. Was one of two people to lobby George H W Bush for the release of Bosch.

Jeb Bush: Appointed Raoul Cantero, managed the campaign for Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. Was one of two people to lobby George H W Bush for the release of Bosch.


How true is all of this? What does it mean? IF CORU is a terror organisation... why are they being 'pardoned', and being given residency?
Demented Hamsters
17-04-2007, 13:44
wild guess here: Because it gets the Bush clan votes and they have that very simple-minded, black-and-white, approach to international affairs of 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' and thus any and every action is justifiable.
Grave_n_idle
17-04-2007, 13:50
wild guess here: Because it gets the Bush clan votes and they have that very simple-minded, black-and-white, approach to international affairs of 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' and thus any and every action is justifiable.

But, didn't our current Commander in Chief - and noted member of the Bush family - not make some comment about "anyone who harbours terrorists, is a terrorist"? Or words to that effect... Aren't those comments we level at North Korea, Syria and Iran about being terror enablers... kind of hollow?
Zilam
17-04-2007, 13:52
Can we use the same evidence to prove he did 9-11 too? :p
UN Protectorates
17-04-2007, 13:53
But, didn't our current Commander in Chief - and noted member of the Bush family - not make some comment about "anyone who harbours terrorists, is a terrorist"? Or words to that effect... Aren't those comments we level at North Korea, Syria and Iran about being terror enablers... kind of hollow?

Don't be stupid. These guys are Freedom Fighters. Like Freedom Fries. So of course the US isn't a state sponsor of terror.
Grave_n_idle
17-04-2007, 14:04
Can we use the same evidence to prove he did 9-11 too? :p

I don't know. This one points more towards Jeb as the active 'naughty face' of the piece, with Gee Dubya just complicit.

I am thinking though - if George Bush Sr pardoned the first criminals to carry out bombing of a civilian flight... the first 'aircraft' terrorism attack... isn't that kind of a nod and a wink to any terror groups that might have been thinking of - I don't know - crashing planes into big things?
Call to power
17-04-2007, 14:05
there are 3220000 results to the words 'bush conspiracy' on Google and to be honest my patience has worn thin after the whole 11/9 tinfoil hatters that I attract everyday of my life

then again:

http://chapelhill.indymedia.org/uploads/bush-at-wall.jpg
Demented Hamsters
17-04-2007, 14:06
I don't know. This one points more towards Jeb as the active 'naughty face' of the piece, with Gee Dubya just complicit.

I am thinking though - if George Bush Sr pardoned the first criminals to carry out bombing of a civilian flight... the first 'aircraft' terrorism attack... isn't that kind of a nod and a wink to any terror groups that might have been thinking of - I don't know - crashing planes into big things?
I wouldn't go that far.
Though it might go a little to explaining Libya's attitude towards it's state-sponsored terrorism programmes during the 1980's. (Lockerbie anyone?)
Grave_n_idle
17-04-2007, 14:33
there are 3220000 results to the words 'bush conspiracy' on Google and to be honest my patience has worn thin after the whole 11/9 tinfoil hatters that I attract everyday of my life


That's why I was judging these connections on what merits they may have.

You can't follow that 'abandon all conspiracy' mindset as a rule, because otherwise you have to ignore any evidence of conspiracy, no matter how credible... just because it sounds like 'yet another conspiracy'.

Indeed - it would mean that - should you ever actually be involved in a conspiracy, all you'd have to do is release 100 rumours of conspiracies, and ride the wave.
Andaluciae
17-04-2007, 14:38
Ros-Lehtinen seems to be more than just a garden variety lobbyist, she would appear to be a congresswoman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ileana_Ros-Lehtinen

And a total whacko. Scientology...ugh.

Seems to be a case of "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine!"
The Nazz
17-04-2007, 14:57
How true is all of this? What does it mean? IF CORU is a terror organisation... why are they being 'pardoned', and being given residency?
It's all pretty accurate, and it gets worse when you factor in that the US is refusing to extradite Posada to Venezuela to face terrorism charges (the US claims that it fears Venezuela will torture him--isn't that precious, coming from this administration?). If Chavez wasn't such a clown, there might be some major international push for that as well.

And the answer to your question is that the Republican party in general, and the Bush family in particular, has strong ties to the Cuban exile community. An enemy of Castro is an enemy of Castro, is the thinking down here, and the Cuban exiles, especially the older ones, don't care about anything but getting rid of Castro. They still believe that when Castro dies, they'll be able to go back and take over, make it like the old days under Batista. Little do they know...
Grave_n_idle
17-04-2007, 15:14
Ros-Lehtinen seems to be more than just a garden variety lobbyist, she would appear to be a congresswoman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ileana_Ros-Lehtinen

And a total whacko. Scientology...ugh.

Seems to be a case of "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine!"

Ack! Scientology isn't even her worst offense.

Is it legal for Congress(wo)men to open-invite people to assassinate other political figures?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1MunPrYJWy0
Andaluciae
17-04-2007, 15:18
Little do they know...

...that after Castro dies, Cuba will descend into a cesspool of coups and military power grabs, obliterating what little is left of what once was the most prosperous country in Latin America.
Andaluciae
17-04-2007, 15:19
Ack! Scientology isn't even her worst offense.

Is it legal for Congress(wo)men to open-invite people to assassinate other political figures?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1MunPrYJWy0

Unethical, certainly, but illegal, no.
The Nazz
17-04-2007, 15:22
...that after Castro dies, Cuba will descend into a cesspool of coups and military power grabs, obliterating what little is left of what once was the most prosperous country in Latin America.

I think you underestimate the administrative controls Fidel has put in place. There were very few problems while he was sick and Raoul was in control, and I see no reason why that won't continue when Fidel is gone and Raoul assumes control. Now, once Raoul is gone, who knows what will happen?

Of course, I'm not convinced Fidel is ever going to die. I think that fucker is like an alien or something.
Andaluciae
17-04-2007, 15:25
I think you underestimate the administrative controls Fidel has put in place. There were very few problems while he was sick and Raoul was in control, and I see no reason why that won't continue when Fidel is gone and Raoul assumes control. Now, once Raoul is gone, who knows what will happen?

Of course, I'm not convinced Fidel is ever going to die. I think that fucker is like an alien or something.

It'll be like in that movie "Line of Fire" or whatever, where they had the journalist taking pictures of the dead Sandinista leader, in poses to look like he was alive. :)

I'm uncertain if the personality cult that has driven the Castro regime forward for so many years can translate into Raoul, though. I think part of the reason why he was able to maintain control was because the Cuban people were focused on the illness of their Fidel. They were hoping a praying (yeah, praying in a communist state, sounds like an oxymoron, no?) that he would pull through, all the while they were being reassured of his improvement.
Grave_n_idle
20-04-2007, 16:30
I feel almost prescient.

I stumble across a 'conspiracy' on Tuesday, and Friday morning's news informs me that on of the few figures involved that was actually serving time... has been freed by the Whitehouse.

"Cuba and Venezuela accuse Luis Posada Carriles of violent acts, including the 1976 bombing that killed 73 — something the former CIA operative denies. And the government here renewed accusations that Washington has a double standard on terrorism, as the 79-year-old was released on bond and allowed to await trial on immigration fraud charges under house arrest...

...Posada was freed from a New Mexico jail after he posted $250,000 bond and his family put up another $100,000. He must wear an electronic monitoring device while under house arrest at his wife's home in Miami pending his May 11 trial on immigration fraud charges."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070420/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cuba_militant_released_6
Andaluciae
20-04-2007, 16:35
I feel almost prescient.

I stumble across a 'conspiracy' on Tuesday, and Friday morning's news informs me that on of the few figures involved that was actually serving time... has been freed by the Whitehouse.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070420/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cuba_militant_released_6

Get it right, he was 'freed' by the courts.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0412/p99s01-duts.html

The executive branch opposed his release, as is evidenced by the opposition from Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez and DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff. Posada is still going to trial, and the US Government intends to prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law for the charges filed.

Ever heard of separation of powers?
BeeGeesOpia
20-04-2007, 16:46
sometimes I wonder......
Grave_n_idle
20-04-2007, 16:49
Get it right, he was 'freed' by the courts.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0412/p99s01-duts.html

The executive branch opposed his release, as is evidenced by the opposition from Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez and DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff. Posada is still going to trial, and the US Government intends to prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law for the charges filed.

Ever heard of separation of powers?

The 'charges' filed would be the 'illegal immigration' thing? Not the other crimes he has been shown to have been involved in, or admitted planning? Not the charges that the US is refusing to allow extradition for?

The Whitehouse is complicit.

As an aside, based on recent form - I wouldn't trust Gonzalez to tell me if I was on fire...
Andaluciae
20-04-2007, 17:01
The 'charges' filed would be the 'illegal immigration' thing? Not the other crimes he has been shown to have been involved in, or admitted planning? Not the charges that the US is refusing to allow extradition for?

The Whitehouse is complicit.

As an aside, based on recent form - I wouldn't trust Gonzalez to tell me if I was on fire...

Further, you claimed that the White House was responsible for him being released on bail, which all evidence clearly shows that it wasn't.

The Immigration Fraud charges are a slam dunk, with extensive evidence to back it up, there is virtually no way that they won't get a conviction when it goes to trial. Secondly, it is important to note that this removes any political taint from this case, which really is rather dangerous, should someone sympathetic to his cause manage to get onto the jury. The immigration fraud is an apolitical charge, and is much the wiser one to go for.

Further, if charged with terrorism or murder in the US, it would bring up questions about Double Jeopardy, knowing that he's already been convicted on those charges elsewhere.
Heikoku
20-04-2007, 17:21
These guys are Freedom Fighters. Like Freedom Fries.

They're Belgian, deep-fried in oil and tasty? o_O